ITT we answer questions for athiest, scouffers, non-believers and all the rest of God children.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mal27etUPM&index=10&list=PLDF03FD71FE7D634E Did you know jesus died for your sins? Din you know God knew about the Zionist jews? Take the Golden pill brothers and join us with Christ.
"The fear of God is the hate of evil"-God
>>74648031
Fuck off, this bullshit belongs on >>>/x/
Why did God make things happen then get mad when things happened as he made them?
>>74648031
If God is all powerful, why is he unable to create a universe in which people are still tested but without unnecessary suffering of innocents?
>>74648031
>Did you know jesus died for your sins?
Why did he need to?
>>74648143
Why do you post for the zionists brother? You are so deceived you are trying to device others, repent brother before it is to late because even God will give up on a lost soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGisYvbLiI&index=9&list=PLDF03FD71FE7D634E
>>74648193
So you are saying you want to experience the best of life without the worse of it? That is a very selfish point of view brother.
>>74648143
God isn't mad
>>74648193
free will
>>74648194
Men sinned
>>74648194
Because people are wicked brother. Instead of killing everyone Jesus offered himself in the place of humanity so that we might find the error of our ways, but it is not looking good brother.
>>74648303
>So you are saying you want to experience the best of life without the worse of it? That is a very selfish point of view brother.
Well, if you had any reading comprehension, you'd know I was saying that there is no need for the suffering of innocents if God still wants to test people, because he's all powerful. It's the classic 'problem of evil'.
>>74648320
>free will
Not an answer. That's a cop out.
>>74648031
>>74648303
>>74648395
What denomination? Lutheran or reddit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqCx2j9Ig1I&index=14&list=PLDF03FD71FE7D634E Did you know evolution is a false religion? Do Not be deceived Brothers.
>>74648474
>It's the classic 'problem of evil'.
Which has been debunked a gazillion times
>Not an answer.
Yes it is
I have a hard time believing but I don't want to be a degenerate anymore. What do?
>>74648143
God has always been political.
>>74648474
it is free will, you are free to do as you please brother. You say it is a cop out but you fail to realize this life is nothing compared to what God has in store for you later. This life is an ultimate test of temptation to see if you are competent enough to inherit the kingdom of God with you brothers and sisters. Stop being close minded brother.
>>74648528
>Which has been debunked a gazillion times
Liar.
>"Yes it is"
>all suffering is human made
Stupidity.
>>74648593
Pray. Read the bible. Read apologetics. Seek and you shall find
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7VrQYtaS2s
Soli Deo gloria
>>74648031
How can the logic of God be objectively true if the logic of man directly contradicts it as unlikely happened?
How can hearsay/written words be an objective way to prove God's existence with the logic of man?
How is something which hasn't been repeatable and repeatable observable be accepted as objective truth/existence?
How is Christianity true over other religions such as Buddhism, Hinuism, Paganism, Shinto, and generally different spiritual beliefs?
>>74648257
>constantly calling everyone brother
Stop being do weird.
And you didn't answer the question. If God wants things to go a certain way why didn't he make things happen that way?
>>74648303
If God is all powerful and all-good why does there need to be "the worst of [life]"? Shouldn't there only be the best?
>>74648320
>free will
Fuckong hell, you retards keep talking about free will. Free will can not exist in a system with an omnipotent creator. You can meaningfullysay you make any choices if you also say there's a guy who made everything and knkws everything.
>Men sinned
Why do he make us so that we wouldsin if he didn't want us to?
>>74648528
>Which has been debunked a gazillion times
Then it should be easy enough to give the explanation again.
>>74648031
Which god and why that one?
>>74648810
Men are evil, never take their word for anything, think for yourself. You are being spoiled by the philosophy of men.
>>74648658
>reddit space
>atheist
Yes it has. But stomp your feet and put your fingers into your ears. If you ever grow up just remember that the cummulated knowledge of humanity is just one google search away.
>>74648810
>How can the logic of God be objectively true if the logic of man directly contradicts it as unlikely happened?
What?
>How can hearsay/written words be an objective way to prove God's existence with the logic of man?
Do you just throw together a bunch of words?
>How is something which hasn't been repeatable and repeatable observable be accepted as objective truth/existence?
Experience
>How is Christianity true over other religions such as Buddhism, Hinuism, Paganism, Shinto, and generally different spiritual beliefs?
Because Christ has been resurrected
>>74648648
>what God has in store for you later. This life is an ultimate test
Why? If there is paradise available later why not just make us there? And hoe is it a "test" when he knows what we will do?
>>74648810
as an atheist I feel very confident in saying
FUCK
OFF
FEDORA
KILL
YOURSELF
>>74648849
>Free will can not exist in a system with an omnipotent creator.
Yes it can
>Why do he make us so that we wouldsin if he didn't want us to?
Free. Will.
>>74648871
There is only one God.
why are the Abrahamic religions the only ones that believe in the heaven hell dichotomy even though Jesus himself implied that reincarnation occurs? Verses on Elijah and the blind man come to mind. Nag Hammadii scriptures which show edited about bible verses also strongly imply the existence of reincarnation in the book of Enoch (Noah's great grandfather from pre deluge times).
Gnosticism most based religion btw, defeat the Jew by learning how they use their YHVH quabbalist magic (Tetragrammaton) and become a hermetic mage.
>>74648933
>Because Christ has been resurrected
No, he hasn't. When people die they stay dead, they don't come back.
>>74648031
Prove to me that God exists using proof outside the bible and without the bible.
>>74648193
The universe is an idea created by mankind. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And then after a while mankind created Babylon, and you think the universe goes up into the sky forever, and whoever has the most university degrees sits at the top of that tower.
>>74648031
God is dead. Who are you then?
>>74648031
>Din you know God knew about the Zionist jews?
Jesus fucking christ american """"""""christians"""""""" are ridiculous
>>74649014
>There is only one God.
Do you mean Brahma?
>>74649062
What the fuck are you talking about you retard?
>>74648995
>Yes it can
No, it can't. If he made everything and knew everything at the time of creation he already made all your choices for you. There can be no free will in such a situation.
Try and think for a second.
>>74649130
Nice b8
>>74648194
He didn't need to. You need.
>>74648933
Ressurection would be an example of the logic of God. People who die staying dead would be the logic of man. The same is said about the miracles of God.
The Bible and it's interpretation=hearsay/written words by men.
What sort of experience do you consider to objectively prove God?
Not really a question about the religion but out of curiosity I would like this question answered:
Do you believe that humans are born good? Or born evil?
>>74649232
>semantics
>>74648031
What do you think abot the coming transhuman revolution and the inevitable man made forms and beings that will be superior to current day humans in every way?
>>74649396
>Ressurection would be an example of the logic of God. People who die staying dead would be the logic of man.
Are you saying that zombie movies are examples of the logic of god?
>>74648931
And yet you spout your beliefs through the very same "evils of men": man's logic. You use man's logic to interpret God's logic.
>>74648474
Your choices have consequences. You cause suffering more often than you realize. That is karma, you know, ignorance. You choose to see things a certain way, limited scope, and you act accordingly, so how can you be sure that "free will" is a cop out and not an answer? You've simply chosen of your own free will to not think it through.
>>74648031
Provide actual proof he exists please
>>74649963
Provide proof he doesn't.
>>74649963
Lets be more specific
Provide actual proof that an intercessory personal god exists and that he has revealed truth to human beings on earth
>>74648031
Begone heretic. White gods return to the world!
>>74649499
Possibly could be interpreted as such by future descendants. The base logic of the supernatural transcend physical natural laws by definition.
Big difference between the Biblical texts of resurrection and a zombie movie is that one says that this supernatural event transpired (unless you interpret it as a metaphor). And that this is to be taken objectively as true.
>>74649998
Burden of proof is on you not me
>>74648667
How would I pray if I don't believe
>>74649998
Prove that God objectivly exists.
>>74649230
>avcusrs others of baiting
>posts a thumbnail
>>74649468
>Do you believe that humans are born good? Or born evil?
The Christian view is Man is inherently sinful and needs to God to be slightly less so.
Personally I say Man is not inherently good or evil. A man makes his own choices. He chooses to do good things or bad things but the path he walks is his own choosing. People pay for that they do, and still more, for what they have allowed themselves to become. And the pay for it simply: by the lives they lead.
>>74649199
if hes omnipotent than he can do whatever he wants including things that are logically impossible
>>74648031
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE KEK
>>74650435
Besides proving his own existence
>>74650435
And your proof this is essentially akin to "listen and believe"
Im hoping OP's faith hasn't been lost this early.
>>74648648
>it is free will, you are free to do as you please brother.
Free will has nothing to do with watching a child die from inoperable cancer. Yet it still happens.
>You say it is a cop out but you fail to realize this life is nothing compared to what God has in store for you later.
Entirely irrelevant.
>This life is an ultimate test of temptation to see if you are competent enough to inherit the kingdom of God with you brothers and sisters.
Again, we're back to the question of why God needs to test people and include suffering. He's God. He knows everything, which means he knows what the answer to the 'test' is anyway. So it's all a farce.
>Stop being close minded brother.
You first.
>>74648933
>Yes it has. But stomp your feet and put your fingers into your ears. If you ever grow up just remember that the cummulated knowledge of humanity is just one google search away.
Don't be so fucking retarded. A busload of school children dying when a bridge collapses has nothing to do with free will.
So I'll ask you again: why does God permit the suffering of innocents. 'Free will' is not an answer, and if you can't provide anything else then you know you're fucked.
>hurr jewish religion
Mathew 23
>Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
>Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
Mathew 23:33
> “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
>>74649998
The burden of proof lies on you
>>74650523
>implying he wants to
but
>smug anime girl
clearly I am out of my league.
>>74648648
>You say it is a cop out but you fail to realize this life is nothing compared to what God has in store for you later.
It is still utterly pointless and cruel to torture children to death with inoperable cancer, no matter how much reward they get afterwards
>>74650762
And I'd like to add, what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
>>74650754
Jesus was a jew you polish retard, all of his followers were jews, all of the people he preached to were jews, and until Paul came along Christianity was a jew thing in general
You cant be a Christian antisemite stop clutching at straws
>>74650915
>be her
>stand on surface of the earth
>climb up a ten foot ladder
>burst into flames
>>74650816
>judging God with what your idea of good and bad is
Shiggy diggy
>>74651106
Im judging him by the standards he asks us to follow you utter cretin
>its wrong for me to torture a child to death but its not wrong for god to do the same thing with a terrible illness
I thought one of the selling points of religion was meant to be its absolute moral guidance? Lol that worked out well huh
>>74648031
>Mfw Christians still believe that it was Jesus who was crucified and not someone who volunteered to be shapshifted to look exactly like him like him.
>>74651106
I'd agree. What omnipotent/omniscient being who agrees with slavery is morally sound?
Pic related is what converted me to Christianity.
>>74650950
>jews in christ times=/=jews nowadays
last time I checked Talmud was relesed a couple centuries after the crucifiction
Brothers! What is more rightoeus view
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hakb6S0IpgY
or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd72Gkfd4k
with eventually will lead to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Btc9qMALg
>>74650301
God gave us all the instruments in order to make medicine and help everyone my friend, he is still very much present
>>74651353
>yes im sure those figures are accurate
Why did god let the Muslims into europe in the first place? Why did he waste everyones time if he was just going to have them kicked out in the end anyway?
>inb4 he moves in mysterious ways
>>74651471
Elaborate. If you are misunderstanding that God did everything, including the progression of sciences, then evolution should be a viable option in your eyes.
>>74651202
we must do as god says not as he does. good and evil is god's whim and if you dont like it too bad.
>>74651439
Last time I checked Christian support for Jews is at an all time high. So high that a map of nazi voters and Christian voters showed a practical 1:1 contrast ratio in Nazi Germany.
>>74651471
Tough shit for all those kids who were born at the wrong time and died screaming in agony in their parents arms when god could have just magicked their disease away or not given it to them in the first place
>>74651557
>Elaborate. If you are misunderstanding that God did everything, including the progression of sciences, then evolution should be a viable option in your eyes.
It is but like many other things the evolution is still just a theory. If you are asking If I am a Creationist than no I am not. I just think saying god isn't here anymore is very far from true
>>74651497
>Why did god let the Muslims into europe in the first place? Why did he waste everyones time if he was just going to have them kicked out in the end anyway?
you sound like a socialist who would like to have everything done for himself by others.
God gave us free will, and gave us trials so we can prove if we are good enough to reach Heaven's gate on the Judgemant Day.
It were the people not God who let Muslism into Europe btw
>>74651620
>we must do as god says not as he does.
Why doesnt god do good if it really is good? Why would he not do the right thing if it really is the right thing? It is nonsensical
How can free will exist if everything is part of God's plan?
>>74651648
Well God can't do everything, but I'm sure that all those poor souls are in heaven now.
Bless up
>>74651229
>implying it wasn't his Japanese brother
>>74651628
>protestants
>christian
there are heretics who use the Gospel for their benefits and political agenda
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/05/worlds-first-lesbian-bishop-calls-church-remove-crosses-install-muslim-prayer-space/
minimizing the suffering you and other persons experience is rational
creating persons that experience suffering where none existed creates suffering
why did god create persons that experience suffering if he is rational
>>74651735
It's a Mystery.
>>74651735
Omnipotence=ability to do anything including the seemingly paradoxical and illogical
>>74651738
>but I'm sure that all those poor souls are in heaven now.
How do you know that? Or are you just wishing really hard
>>74651794
Was that before or after he came to the USA? Need a Mormon to dispense some serious knowledge
>>74651353
Based Visigothic King Pelagius, Ameribro!
>>74651887
No, it's not free will if God is probing your brain and inserting his plan in there.
>>74651685
Good to hear. but
>God isnt here anymore
>anymore
this still needs to be verified. There has been no proof for this claim outside of the bible. Also, i find it difficult to understand how God made the earth in seven days. It shows that literal acts of the bible have become just interpretations or metaphors. Are you okay with the bible slowly being debunked by evolution-backing science?
>>74651497
God is so based that he let the muslims into europe so we can kill them from the comfort of our homes instead of having us drag our glorious Christian asses to the hell holes where the muslims spawn desu!
>>74651915
I'm not wishing I'am believing in God and Faith, as God promises to us that all good souls will be forgiven and will come to Heaven.
The problem of evil/suffering is a genuine problem that can not be answered wth "free will"
It begs the question :
Can God create a world with free will and without suffering?
if no, he is not all powerful
if yes, and he chose not to, he is not all loving.
Secondly, free will does not explain suffering were no one is to blame, eg. someone struck by lightning.
The answer is special pleading, ie. we can't understand the reasoning, but god does have a reason.
This is purely faith based.
>>74651697
because if he was following a moral standard it would be greater than him, however he is the greatest and therefore his will is the standard
>>74652051
>I'm not wishing I'am believing in God and Faith
Whats the difference
>>74652046
Yes I'm fine with that, but like you said The Bible teaches so many good things even If some of them are just metaphors. It's not about someone proving something right or wrong, I don't believe the earth was created in 7 days either but to me that's not really the point.
>>74652260
you have to find out for yourself, try praying it feels very good!
I'm a Christian 100%, but I have tattoos relevant to time ibe spent in the navy. Will god still take me?
>>74652187
>divine command theory
>if i hear god telling me to kill people its right that i should do it
>christians say things like this and then wonder why people are appalled
>>74651915
Read about Hiob and his reward for all the suffering
>>74652354
A preacher I know is a tattooed motorcycle riding ex-policeman. You'll be fine.
>>74652367
>if i hear god telling me to kill people its right that i should do it
Of course. Remember Abraham. God told him to do something abhorrent but hr obeyed.
>>74652372
You mean that story where god lets satan murder all of jobs children just to make a point?
Remind me why god was gambling with satan?
Remind me why satan even exists?
>>74652516
So if god told you to murder your family you would do it?
>>74651828
>Catholics
>not rogue Chalcedonians heretics
>>74652278
I didn't say anything about the bible teaching good things. You can get taught good things without the bible, cut out all of the nonsense through that silly book and use critital thinking to come to a conclusion. Scrutinize those answers, rinse and repeat.
Why is murder wrong?
Not that I'm planning on murdering anyone, I just want the Christian answer. Since it's a common question I get asked by Christians.
>>74652096
The problem with suffering is that we judge it with our own human subjective morality.
For example tell me this.
What would you think about an ant that you accidentally stepped on and killed? Would you consider yoursel a bad person? No, you didn't do it intetionally, you haven't seen the ant so you justify yourself.
And what an ant would think? Propably something like: What a sonofabitch, he just literally kill innocent ant, that haven't done anything to her and he don't give a shit about it!
You see the methaphore? In front of the God we are 100x lesser beings than the ant compared to human. We can not understand all of God's acts simply because we judge it with our own human simple mind.
>>74648031
Why isn't god real?
>>74652372
Do you mean Job? Yeah, he got double the flocks he had and 10 new kids to replace the ones that died. I think I'd rather God say "yeah, I like that guy, let's keep him being cool" like a proper god instead of "that guy is great, super devoted to me, so let's fuck him up". That story is shit, gods are supposed to be placated into ignoring you if you give your sacrifices.
>>74652678
Because god says so :^D
>>74652678
Not all murder is wrong accuring to the Bible.
In hebrew you've got three words to describe killing someone
>harag
killing someone during the war
>hemit
killing by death penalty
>rasah
murder
Only the last one is forbidden (lo trisach- you will not murder)
>Genesis 9:6
"Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind"
>Exodus 21:14
But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.
>>74652765
God is all good, he should be like one those Jains or whatever, sweeping in front of him to not step on bugs. Anything he does he does intentionally. How can things "just happen" fot the omnipotent?
>>74653142
That kinda missed the question. We all recognize there's a difference between killing in war or otherwise within established law vs. murder. I guess my real question is: is murder wrong just because God says so? Or does God say it's wrong because it is?
>>74652765
so yeah, as i said, special pleading.
the shortened answer is
>because God
>>74652543
>>74652827
God is not a candybar machine that you put in good deeds and good things are given you uncoditionally
>gods are supposed to be placated into ignoring you if you give your sacrifices.
>burger knowing better what god should and should not do because he is so enlighted
top kek
also
Consider that the parables like the one about Hiob have some figurative meaning to help you better understand how to live your life, and why some things happen.
Like the Parable of Talents- this is not just a story about master giving goods to his servants you know? :^)
>>74653604
>enlightened
I think its funny how Christians think we aren't morally superior to the decisions allowed in the bible. If you don't think this to be true, then
>slavery
If you say its okay, then this is why people have an issue with the bible.
>>74652367
yes.
your argument so far is
>God is mean while telling people to be nice, thus he doesn't exist.
>>74653305
The problem in judging things based on human morality is that it is very relative like I tried to describe here
>>74652765
>I guess my real question is: is murder wrong just because God says so? Or does God say it's wrong because it is?
That's a very interesting question to be honest I will ask my friend who is a priest about it. I personally look at murder like something totally wrong and forbidden, because it say's so in the Ten Commandments- the base of my religion.
Pretty good approach if you ask me.Especially when looking back at history when people lived in Atheist Paradises like the ZSRR murder suddenly was OK if the state did it to fight the bourgeois, reactionists,land owners, etc.
>>74654087
No, hes merely showing you where you're originally going wrong. Move on into the conversation and you'll get more evidence stating God is unlikely to exist.
Before you get uptight, assuming we know God doesn't exist, understand we don't think that. We just cant say he's ever existed, nor had any evidence to support your claim.
>>74653528
>special pleading because I that we cannot possibly understand excatly how the most powerful being who created us works and thinks
So are you feeling guilty for all those ants and mosquitos you killed through your life? How are gonna explain to them why you did this?
>>74653900
>I think its funny how Christians think we aren't morally superior to the decisions allowed in the bible
There were people who thought they are "morally superior" to God's Laws like
>stalin
>mao
>lenin
now also the Jews through cultural marxists say to you that you don't need Christ in your life, but you should let Ahmed do his thing in your neighborhood. Leading to edgy fedoras like the audience of Amazing Atheist or Sargon of Akkad (recent polls showed that their audience is 95 % atheists)
>>74654336
>Before you get uptight, assuming we know God doesn't exist, understand we don't think that. We just cant say he's ever existed, nor had any evidence to support your claim.
The basic thing with Faith is that you BELIEVE in God, not KNOW that he exists.
What would be noble in behaving like Christ said when you would KNOW that if you didn't you'll go to hell?
>>74654336
I'm not getting uptight but you are applying empiricism to God. why dont you apply that criteria to itself? whats the empirical evidence of the statement "one should only believe what one can empirically verify"?
>>74654800
Great, so you admit your utter ignorance and don't need proof to believe in anything regardless of how silly and contradictory the text is. When that text gets picked apart by individuals who understand science, logic, and reasoning without having a bias towards the text in question don't pretend evidence exists. Look at the evidence, understand humans have produced better and more rational solutions to everything you want out of the bible.
Or just post the atheist meme, thats what others do. I do appreciate you being honest, though. Can't say that much with anyone here for the most part.
>>74655430
Because the only thing we are able to do as humans is use science and reason to come to a sound model of life. Whether it be logic or philosophy, to medical or environmental science...we advance because of this. Not a book written a few thousand years ago. If we don't keep advancing as a society, we're just hurting ourselves.
>>74655431
you use verificationism so much but it fails its own test, same with the falsificationism other anons talked about. You will never accept that it is perfectly fine to believe in God despite theism failing the verification test , but you will believe in the verification test is valid despite the fact that it also fails the same teat theism fails.
>>74655728
well, that's like, your opinion. others (especially on pol) might see society as having degenerated.
also many of those scientific advancements that you see as progress in society have been made by theists, even the advancements in logic and reason.
>>74655431
Have I've been forced into faith? No, I've read the Bible (with I could bet you didn't) and agreed with the stuff in it, when having trouble with understanding some verses I looked for help from priests and theologists.
Do you think that science now proved everything that is taked in it for granted? If yes than you are the true ignorant here.
I told that I've seen human efforsts in creating a non-God based morality in their state. And the same state killed nice number of my ancestors. Nowadays the jews tries to reacreated this trend through cultural marxism, with sadly seems to work in western societies.
>The Protocols of the Elders of Zion Fourthteen Protocol
When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable for us that there should exist any other religion than ours … We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief, even if the temporary result of this is atheism
>>74656075
and im glad they do, hopefully they'll read the bible and understand that what is written in it has a lot of issues and contradictions. Perpetuating this idea isn't useful, and just creates a bias.
>>74655827
There doesn't need to be meaning into anything, I'm simply here for the facts. Theism does fail the verification test, along with its own honesty due to contradicting itself. There is no reason to believe in God, we have no evidence to support this claim and we've advanced far enough to know things he has agreed to (see: slavery) is disgusting. If you don't want to denounce slavery, then there seems to be an issue with morals.
>>74651057
lol
>>74656659
God hated slavery, commandment one he expects praise and worship not for being the creator but for freeing the israelites. also in the sabbath commandment he says even slaves servants and animals have to rest. also slavery was ended by christians using the bible as evidence that the institution was ungodly, that all men were made in his image.
if failing the verification test is enough for you to throw out an idea, you are forced to throw out the verification test as an idea as well.
>>74656648
I was a Christian until recently. I did what my church did, which was essentially cherry pick and misinterpret the bible accordingly to how our society has advanced. I'm not sure i understand
>"Do you think that science now proved everything that is taked in it for granted?"
question.
Understand I'm an agnostic. I have not seen evidence to support the theist claim. Why would I believe it? i have no horse in this race, but i can sure as shit tell you i'm done beating around a bush until i expire. Its silly and dishonest. As far as you see other religions being undesirable, i agree with you. Read about neighbor ethics, there's nothing wrong with it. Thats how we've lived forever. If you want to live by a book with clear contradictions and falsities, then it doesn't affect me. Also, do you approve of slavery?
>>74648031
I'm a deist.
Organized religion is a scam to steal your shekels.
>>74657081
Perfect. Now read exodus again, not only does he not oppose slavery but gives rules to it, there's a clear issue here.
>>74657820
If any other book had as many contradictions as the Bible, Q'uran, or any other religious book, it would be seen as not credible.
Religious texts on the other hand seem to get a free pass.
>>74658050
Exactly, and the thing that is insane to think about is that people claim to have read the bible, yet get through exodus without saying to themselves "...wait, God is allowing slavery here?" followed by his rules for slavery, like beating them. But not to death, THATS the line.
If you're (not you specifically) a Christian and oppose slavery, then start there. Good luck.
>>74649053
The Holy Quran.
>>74657820
sure, but humor me, couldn't he be playsibly giving those rules to minimize the damage of a human institution that he abhorred?
don't you think the christians that ended slavery knew of that verse and chapter?
also the slavery in the time of the old testament was very different than the american race based slavery you are (probably) thinking of.
back then people willingly sold themselves into slavery sometimes in order to have their needs taken care of. politicians and lawyers and doctors would.often also be slaves. when it comes to kidnapping someone and selling them however, Exodus 21 16 condemns that and it is also condemed in the NT but i forget where.
>>74658858
>also the slavery in the time of the old testament was very different than the american race based slavery you are (probably) thinking of.
Nono, exodus clearly states that it is allowed, and gives rules to owning slaves. It doesn't matter what anyone other than God thinks about slavery right now, which is he allows it. Slavery now vs slavery then means nothing to me. Owning another human being is wrong, plain and simple.
>back then people willingly sold themselves into slavery sometimes
slavery =/= indentured servitude, this is not discussing indentured servitude. I understand this happened, but slavery is sort of a one way street of agreement. This is the problem in the bible. The "if's" mean nothing, you can put those to any bad situation. Especially from a God who could have fixed this, he decided to take an immoral route. There is no reason to own slaves, and its immoral to not only own slaves, but to condone it.
>>74648031
Im the athiest atheist that ever athed. AMA
>>74651353
based that shit is bibical and probably would be writen in the new new testament
>>74651497
its all part of his plan
>>74660147
Maybe God didn't condone it. What if I told you Levite priests wrote the rules and atrributed shit they said and commanded as God's will all the time in documents outside the Bible with exactly the same phrasing. Like a lot of the work found with the dead sea scrolls that Christians ignore.
Old testament was just Jews being Jewy at least in Exodos, Numbers, (((Leviticus))), and Deuteronomy.
These books have a lot in common with Levite phrasology and show signs of revisions during the essene revivalist period, which happened prior to the dead sea scrolls so we do not have documents showing what it may have been before their edits.
But I think we can guess. Anytime a leader says God said to go murder women and children, that taking things from Goy was great, that Sampson can rampage and murder people for their clothing and it's cool.
The Bible sinply contains fundamental errors because new priests added to it to benefit themselves. It stuck because we are taught not to question it.
>>74653305
You end someones live and there for his chanche on salvation, so because it is wrong
>>74661436
>Maybe God didn't condone it.
This is exactly what i did. The amount of shifting and misreading going on here is astoundingly dishonest. God did condone it, and not only condone it but he put in rules of how to own slaves. There isn't a way around this, its written in his book and allowed it to happen.
>>74660147
i tried being gods advocate but if you cant see past your slavery gotcha question ill just respond with jesus overturned it in the NT
>>74662030
Why couldnt god get it right the first time? Is he retarded?
>>74662116
God flooded the whole world once and then decided hey maybe that's not how i should do it.
>>74661436
So god doesnt do anything to correct the errors? I mean, if youre an almighty force in the universe trying to spread your message and the message you wrote down got fucked up a long the way, maybe you'd put out a memo with corrections? Maybe?
>>74662030
I'm not against you. This isn't a "gotcha" thing, just read the text dude. I get theists have a bias towards the text, so trying to get out of this makes perfect sense. This is what we do as humans, I was the same way.
If you're going to say he overturned it in NT, which i'd like to see the verse please, you're admitting that he was wrong. An omniscient being wrong isnt omniscient.
>>74648525
>Did you know evolution is a false religion?
Did you know religious people are so gullible they fall for just about anything, including made up stories?
The theory of evolution is a series of observations of the natural world. Nothing has been found to disprove it.
Religion is a manacle of the mind. It's a load of indecipherable garbage sprinkled with a few feel-good affirmations and hollow ultimatums.
Pro-Tip: Even you know I'm right.
>>74662411
so he makes mistakes
>>74662411
How did all the plants survive being underwater for almost six weeks?
>>74662577
no man makes the mistakes
>>74662670
a year, depending on where those plants were.
>>74662739
Oh so this clown here >>74662411
is mistaken in his interpretation of god's decision-making process
Got it
>>74662417
Still waiting on that verse.
