>Jon Stewart took an hour from his "retirement" to remind us all just how bad the GOP has become!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19AO_dQ2_E
>>74646828
Thanks for posting here, Jon. Enjoy your retirement!
>(((Liebowitz)))
>>74646828
That fucking nose sweet jesus.
Jon Stewartstein is the giga kike.
>Liebowitz
Thanks john! You fucking bitch!!
They really can't come up with new strategies can they. They probably paid him a lot to do this.
Well, he's actually right about that. That's essentially Trump's platform.
But wait, Trump is a racist sexist egomaniac so he doesn't count :^)
>>74646828
Talk all the shit you want /pol/, he is right.
>>74647145
Pretty much. The new late night talk show hosts failed, so they brought him back. Disingenuous as always though.
>>74646828
>implying Trump crashing this party with no survivors was a bad thing
>>74646828
>Still perpetuating the myth that Obama hasn't gotten virtually everything he's wanted under this pathetic Republican congress.
>>74646828
Go back to cucktopia, Jon. Keep on saying that women do nothing wrong.
>>74647145
He was invited to speak at the college.
He in all likelihood wasn't paid at all.
>>74647473
What are you talking about? They have shot down anything they could since they got back their majority.
>>74646828
He's right.
/thread
>>74646828
"The problem is that there is only one political party in america" well he got that part right.
He wouldn't have made it if he hadn't retired and had to spend a whole year covering trumps campaign
>>74646828
Thanks. I needed a slimy Jew to tell me what's what.
>>74646828
>The opposition is meant to acquiesce and let the president have everything he wants!!!
>What do you mean Obama should've negotiated? He won the election!
>Fucking rethuglicans not letting us get out way
A fucking comedian.
>>74647708
da fuk you smoking that is how hillary and bill have made millions, they pay alot for these appearances and it cones out of the students pocketd
>>74646828
i am now a #CruzMissile
>>74646828
>>74648269
What is objective reality in your opinion?
>>74648055
You might want to stop talking like a 12 year old if you want to be taken seriously in life.
Hillary and Bill are not John Stewart, why do you think that because others do something that all must do it?
Besides this guy ran one of the most influential and commercially successful shows TV history. He doesn't need the money.
>>74646828
>the political party that wants less government involvement is stopping the liberal boot from choking their necks
Oh my.
>>74647708
Speakers usually get payed. At universities too... And Jon Stewart is listed as a speaker you can hire here. Seems 1+1 to me. Not that that is a bad thing necessarily, and I don't think his opinion is for sale, but whenever he's somewhere as a speaker, you can safely assume he got payed. If only for expenses.
>>74646828
OY VEY GOYIM!
GTKRWN
>>74648438
>He doesn't need the money.
Then why is he listed as a speaker for hire? >>>74648518
>>74648518
>>74648605
Forgot the link because apparantly I'm retarded.
http://www.apbspeakers.com/speaker/jon-stewart
>>74646828
And then comes election day on which this Anointed One and all his fellow travelers get exactly one vote per person, just like all the unenlightened plebs they so love to look down upon.
And then they will lose. And then they will wonder how the fuck that happened. And they will blame education and the media despite controlling both for decades.
>>74646828
>>74648605
>>74648624
Maybe he just likes speaking? Seems likely for someone with his background.
Look, as much as I hate to stoop to /pol/'s level of stereotyping, hes Jewish and successful. I highly doubt he needs it.
Also this is his first appearance since he left the Daily Show. Most likely has been running lines through his head for the past year, must have finally came to a head.
>>74646828
slimy propagandist with a Messiah complex.
Unquestioned assertions from the prophet.
I used to watch his shit until i realized "Liberals" are what they call others. I had never looked at the boogymen others and what they had to say/ what they were fighting for. It's 1984 tier bullshit.
>>74648269
Cucked
>>74647746
Can you say
>executive order
>>74648942
People don't tend to stop working just because they don't need any more money..
>Also this is his first appearance since he left the Daily Show.
Doesn't mean he did it for free though..
>>74649027
>Now instead of being spoonfed by liberal i am being spoonfed by conservatives!
>SUCH WISDOM.
>>74646828
thank god this jewish comedian let us know how bad the gop is
>>74649312
Yes, I forgot that executive orders were invented when Obama took office.
Besides, that isn't what we were talking about, the premise of this conversation was about the Republicans laying down and giving him what he wanted, which is not what happened, at all.
Liberals seriously believe their ideology is the one and true way.
>>74649354
>People don't tend to stop working just because they don't need any more money..
Celebrities, yes. People, absolutely not.
I'll cede you that he may (or may not have, I don't know his finances) have taken money for it, but my point, is that its very unlikely he needs it.
>>74646828
>look how dumb the GOP is
>what a bunch of dummies, amirite?
>p-please look away from the violence at our party conventions, guys!
>>74649570
And conservatives don't?
>>74649497
So why did the DEMOCRAT budget plan for 2016 have more REPUBLICAN votes than democrat
>>74648942
>Also this is his first appearance since he left the Daily Show
im pretty sure he's done this more than once since he left
his replacement was an abysmal failure
>>74649497
We live in a society where social equity is the law of the land. Liberals have won on every front except in two areas. Guns and over the last few decades, taxes.
>>74647746
We are still getting 300,000 refugees this year. Even after governors, senators and congressmen said no. Still getting them. No repeal to obamacare. No impeachment proceedings. Just executive order and bypass the other branches.
>>74648269
Cultural refinement is the source of moral 'objectivity', as such is necessarily a construct.
>>74647746
Like what? They've caved on the budget every single time
>>74649740
>Solomon Islands
>>74648269
oy vey nationalism was sooo 1940 now its time for open borders and globalism! (but not israel remember holocaust and evil nazis)
>Stewart's family emigrated to the U.S. from Poland, Ukraine and Belarus (thus also making him a Litvak Jew)
>>74646828
Well, he's wrong. To whatever degree some in the GOP try to lower the impact of government, they (the GOP) are doing plenty of things utilizing federal power. The difference is that the GOP tries restraining the expansion of federal government. But in reality, they end up being hogs at the table. The sad truth is that there isn't a party that stands firmly behind exploring all alternatives before throwing federal expansion at problems.
>>74648269
>Objective morality
I almost threw up
>>74648269
>implying violence cannot solve conflicts
are you stupid or something?
>when the left does it it's fine
>when the right does it it must be fascism
>>74649658
So what, you just pull things out of your ass and call it fact?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_federal_budget
>>74649908
>implying morality is not objective
cuck
>>74649699
No, he hasn't, I've looked.
Google it.
>>74646828
I am sure i care what a Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz thinks no seriously goy i care
>guy who would never vote republican and hates anything associated with "conservationism" and also deliberately obfuscates and misunderstands points they make, proceeds to "advise" them how to solve their problems
>>74649977
As defined by liberals? Fuck no
>>74649652
Conservatives are a huge tent that are all united in opposition to liberalism. Conservatives vary widely and Republicans vary even more widely. I wouldn't even call conservationism an ideology. It's political pragmatics combined with social traditions.
>>74649999
quads of antisemitism
Wait, so now Trump represents the GOP?
Wasn't he an outsider like, 2 days ago?
God damn liberals just can't make up their minds.
Zero consistency.
>>74649725
>Guns
Eh, too be honest, real life liberals rarely care about guns, I own 7 and plan to vote Bernie. Politicians bring it up when a shooting happens to score points. Its politics.
>taxes
I think the people who were opposed to taxes have become more fervent, that pledge they did is a good indicator, from what I've seen though, people who aren't latched on to one or the other have come around to the idea of higher taxes on top earners. Certainly on large corporations.
>>74646828
Fuck, he looks like a jew straight out of the Old Testament
>want to watch it for some of his "jokes"
>don't want to (You) the video
Is there a way to take back your (You) from a video?
>>74647876
If thats the case why is he bitching about the GOP then? Oy vey!
>>74649933
I like how your link actually says nothing about who voted for it. Oh but it does say it will pass even with a Republican majority.
>>74650203
Here's where I differ on taxes. I don't think the government needs more revenue. It needs less revenue. The government already collects too much money and has too much spending. The only benefits I get from government are law and order, military and infrastructure. The government has expanded far beyond those basic functions. If the government collects more revenue from me it isn't going to spend that revenue in my interest. Nor do I trust the government to act in my interest in fact I trust it to do the exact opposite and act toward my detriment. I'm not going to give aid to an institution that advocates my harm.
>>74649726
If we didn't we'd lose respect (and much more importantly influence) from the allies across the pond. Congress knows that they have to appease the hardcore liberals that run the EU. And, plainly speaking they are the best shield we have against the middle east right now. 300,000 is nothing divided into 300 million anyway.
>obamacare
What would they replace it with?
For everything the GOP hates about Obamacare, its still better now than it was. And I haven't heard anything better coming out of the Senate.
>>74649791
It was either that or take another hit for causing a government shutdown. Didn't work out well for them last time. Besides their salaries depend on it passing.
>>74650023
Both parties are hugely more complex than the other makes them out to be. They are made of millions of people. The mean average isn't really representative at that level.
>>74649865
I never found out the Jewish pecking order kek.
Boston jews> Russian Jews > Isreal jews?
>>74650660
>It was either that or take another hit for causing a government shutdown. Didn't work out well for them last time. Besides their salaries depend on it passing.
What does that have to do with anything? They were given back both houses of congress solely because people wanted real opposition to Obama's shit and they refuse to provide any. With all the scandals Obama has been tied to, an impeachment would be very doable if they actually gave a fuck.
>>74650469
The bill, the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015, passed the House with a vote of 266–167, with just over two-thirds of Republicans voting against the bill, and all Democrats and the remaining Republicans voting for passage, with one not voting.[21] The bill passed the Senate with a vote of 64–35, with 35 Republicans voting against.[22] It was signed by the President on November 2, 2015.[23] The Treasury had estimated that extraordinary measures used to fund the government beyond October 1 would likely be exhausted no later than November 3.[24]
>>74647236
this
two parties is one too many
>>74646828
ONE PARTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. I'M GETTING REAL SICK OF THIS FUCKING MEME
BOTH PARTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SHIT! IF THE DEMOCRATS WOULD COME TO THE FUCKING TABLE AND NEGOTIATE THEIR SHITTY BILLS, THE GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN
Fuck, sorry to yell at you, I'm just pissed at people like that faggot who blames the Republicans for all their problems. I have no loyalty to that shitty party, either. I'm just talking like it is.
>>74646828
>Another liberal elite calls all republicans and everyone that doesn't serve his ideals terrible human beings
>>74650594
>I don't think the government needs more revenue. It needs less revenue.
I think it need both more revenue and less expenditure. I'm not an economist, so this is really kind of out of my purview, but I know if I spend less on shit I don't need, and earn more than I previously did, My budget seems to get fixed and my debts paid.
Like I said, Economics is one of those things so I've heard, even the professors can't use it to predict things accurately.
>law and order, military and infrastructure.
Certainly the most important I agree. I think the government can do more though, in a way that does not also make people dependent.
But you are right it really just comes down to whether the government is spending the taxes in a way you agree with. I a grew up poor, really really fucking poor, without some of the programs people love to hate here, I wouldn't have had an education, medical assistance or food for that matter. I grew up and made something of myself and got out of that hole partly because I was educated, fed, and healthy.
I like this conversation, its nice to have a real one on this website, breaks the monotony.
>>74646828
Sigh... no one is fucking saying all of our problems are due to shit puke invading mexicans and muslims give me a break.
>>74646828
I DESPISE this fucking kike. He has the audacity to brow beat conservatives for the war in Iraq when the truth is it was his blood thirsty tribe in Israel and America that pushed for it. What a typical projecting Jewish rat
>>74650835
>What does that have to do with anything?
In Washington? Everything. The one unavoidable aspect of humanity is that they will always do what is in their best interest.
>solely because people wanted real opposition to Obama's shit
Highly, highly, debatable.
Congressional elections are hugely different from presidential ones, and are also much more manipulable as well. For fucks sake we elected the terminator, just because he was the terminator.
>With all the scandals Obama has been tied to, an impeachment would be very doable if they actually gave a fuck.
Name one fully evidenced, and reliably provable illegal thing he has done.
>>74646828
>people voted and got a few people elected to block the piece of shit nigger president from doing more nigger things
>nig still nigs
>"wahwahwah. We didnt get everything we wanted and thats why this system is broken"
Holy fuck. Are people this fucking brainwashed that they dont understand how our government (should but doesnt anymore over all) works?
John stewart thinks hes a lot smarter than he really is
>>74651136
>COME TO THE FUCKING TABLE AND NEGOTIATE THEIR SHITTY BILLS,
They came to the table, 2 years before when the law that the republicans were leveraging for the shutdown passed.
Obamacare was a not starter, they knew that, they knew the Dems wouldn't give up Obama's signature law even facing a shutdown.
It would be like the south stalling a budget in congress to re-enact slavery after the civil war. You don't throw away a past victory for a new one.
>>74651293
And conservatives don't?
Have you ever been here before?
>>74646828
Don't you mean Jon Leibowitz?
>>74646828
>>74651511
Half of the threads on this board are just that man.
>>74652098
yet another jew who changed his name to hide his jewishness from the goyim
>>74651658
>Jon Stewart opposed the war in Iraq from the very beginning
>Actually he didn't because other Jews supported it
Hands down the worst argument I've ever seen on 4chan.
>>74646828
When he was tending bar I would make a point of avoiding him because his hands and forearms were mutantly hairy....a tiny ugly fucking creep.
>>74651777
>In Washington? Everything. The one unavoidable aspect of humanity is that they will always do what is in their best interest.
Yes, but them failing to represent the people who voted for them is the problem. Not that they're somehow being unfair to Obama
>Highly, highly, debatable.
Don't give me that shit Obama's been losing congressional seats like crazy since the day he took office
>Congressional elections are hugely different from presidential ones, and are also much more manipulable as well. For fucks sake we elected the terminator, just because he was the terminator.
That was California. Don't give me that we shit.
>Name one fully evidenced, and reliably provable illegal thing he has done.
You don't have to get a conviction to at least begin the process. Even without a fire there's more than enough smoke to get the ball rolling between Fast and Furious, the NSA, Benghazi, and lying to force through the Iran deal. Show the people that you care about the blatant corruption.
>>74651658
Why do you think all Jewish people know and coordinate with all other Jewish people?
The Jewish community has more infighting than Muslims, they just don't kill each other as often. Have you ever been to a jewish reunion? I worked at hotel that hosted one every year, all they did was just snidely talk shit on each others families and children. Funny stuff really.
>>74646828
>>74652262
I will not listen to a single word about how this president should be charge with a crime while we had Bush Jr for 8 years.
>>74646828
The Democrats are openly trying to normalize pedophilia, some displaced criminals is at the bottom of my priorities. Zionist.
>Jon "Stewart"
>David Axelrod
Kikes are the cancer of humanity
>>74651440
You don't need to be an economist to know that historically the government has functioned on smaller budgets and less taxes. It's entirely possible to do wholesale budget cuts that amount to eliminating certain programs and cutting others. Once you bring down expenditures you can cut taxes which means people that earn money will be able to keep more of their money. That would benefit me and also benefit people I know and their families.
The problem with the welfare state it that it has expanded to such a degree that it's now a subsidy for bad behaviours and poor life choices. It gives incentives for people to live lifestyles that would normally ruin a person by being a cushion to protect people from the ruin of their own choices. People that actually make good choices are penalised in the form of higher taxes to fund the people that ruin themselves and live on state benefits.
>>74652417
>Deflecting to Bush as if I don't hate him too
How cute.
>>74648269
>violence hasn't solved problems
Name one time in history were violence didn't solve problems
>inb4 muh ghandhi and mlk
The only reason Ghandhi and Mlk were successful is because violence was used against them and it got public attention from other stronger countries. Also if we had just killed that nigger and every other nigger in america raceial problems would be solved today.
>>74652018
So both parties are responsible for the shutdown, or is that not how our government works?
>>74649977
Please substantiate that. I'm genuinely curious.
>>74652216
What is controlled opposition? Jews have the Goy do their dirty work for them while they themselves publicly condemn it in order to give themselves the moral highground in the eyes of public. Kill yourself.
>>74647746
They just passed something this morning
>>74652152
Saying that something is a large problem is not the same as saying it's the only problem. It's a straw man.
>>74649726
You forgot after legal and illegal american citizens said no also
>>74652262
>Yes, but them failing to represent the people who voted for them is the problem.
They play the long game there mate. Fight ot live another day and so forth. Despite how fucked up Washington is, these people pay millions of dollars a year to know how the public will react. Nothing is done -or not done- without a reason or strategy.
>Obamas been losing seats.
You mean the Democratic party? Obama doesn't have any seats in congress. You are associating things that have no business being associated.
>That was California. Don't give me that we shit.
My point stands, Congressional elections are nothing like Presidential. Maverick newcomers are far more likely. Which means unpredictability. Besides, Schwarzenegger wasn't the only celebrity to see his sights on the political arena.
>You don't have to get a conviction to at least begin the process.
I think you will find that you do, in fact need it. Nixon didn't get impeached until hundreds of hours of film and audio was found of him and his flunkies directly doing illegal things.
Clinton had to admit it directly to warrant it. Kind of funny though, wasn't really illegal to sleep around.
>Fast and Furious, the NSA, Benghazi, and lying to force through the Iran deal.
None of these were out of the ordinary or unprecedented or even morally wrong given the extent of things presidents normally do.
Entrapment busts aka Fast and Furious.
The NSA has been a thing for a long, long, long time. Most of the expansion of powers didn't happen under Obama, but after 9/11 when everyone in country lost their shit and handed bush a blank legal sheet and told him to write.
At least 30 instances almost identical to Benghazi have happened since we started in the middle east. Look it up.
>lying to force through the Iran deal
Which he has the complete authority to do. Its a potential enemy state, he is commander and chief, its completely within historical precedent for presidents.
>>74646828
>left/right politics
>>74652446
>Normalize pedophilia.
>Possible.
Pick one.
Your tinfoil is showing.
WHAT DOES MAN-BABY MEAN?
IS IT A JAB TOWARDS MANCHILDREN?
THIS IS HIS ENTIRE FUCKING SCHTICK TOWARDS TRUMP AND I
DON'T
FUCKING
GET
IT
>>74653271
>You mean the Democratic party? Obama doesn't have any seats in congress. You are associating things that have no business being associated.
Pure coincidence I'm sure. After all, I bet it's as unrelated as Dems taking both houses when Bush was in charge
>Nixon didn't get impeached until hundreds of hours of film and audio was found of him and his flunkies directly doing illegal things.
Clinton had to admit it directly to warrant it. Kind of funny though, wasn't really illegal to sleep around.
Once again, an impeachment doesn't have to be successful to be attempted. Their failure to try is the issue here. Not that I think it would be successful. They have done nothing to prove that they actually care about their voters.
And all I can read the rest as is
>I'm okay with corruption when a Democrat is in charge of it
I don't care if other people did it before. I care about what's happening now. Someone needs to stand up to the lunatic and it's clear that person isn't in the US Congress right now.
>>74652485
>historically the government has functioned on smaller budgets and less taxes.
Sure. What is your point? This isn't any other point in history. Politics, economics, -everything really- changes.
>Once you bring down expenditures you can cut taxes which means people that earn money will be able to keep more of their money.
Cutting out programs from your budget isn't going to help you pay down the 20 trillion dollars. If the deficit wasn't as gigantic as it is I would agree with you. Besides, unless you earn over 100k a year, your taxes aren't the problem, your frugality is. I constantly hear complaining about taxes from people who waste tons of money on shit they never use after a month.
Have you ever been homeless, unemployed for a long amount of time, or a child one who is?
I have, trust me, there is no incentive to live in a trailer eating government cheese, it sucks, alot. No poor people are stoked about where they are in life man. I know alot of them. I used to be one. Its simply not as grand as you make it out to be.
>>74652709
If you don't understand the point of that post, then its no wonder you are a trump poster.
>>74653118
OK.
What was it?
![PedophileDarkBackgroundPicture[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/soCCzBy.jpg "PedophileDarkBackgroundPicture[1].jpg")
>>74653374
Right. Ignore liberal magazines like Salon or the growing movement to force little girls to share the bathroom with 50 year old men named Jimbo.
I'll also forget all the progressive lgbt super parents forcing their kids to kiss each other on video and forcing nonsexual children to make decisions about what sex they will be sexually attracted to.
>>74653153
Shut up faggot.
Stop trying to change the question to suit your argument. My post was in response to him saying that nobody is saying the problems are caused by Muzzies and Mexicans, it was a patently false statement.
But go ahead, ignore the hundreds of threads that happen every day that link almost every problem back to them.
>>74654140
>failing this badly at reading comprehension
high melanin detected
>>74653910
Answer my fucking question, faggot.
>So both parties are responsible for the shutdown, or is that not how our government works?
If you're constantly and repeatedly declaring a group to be completely destroyed/BTFO/ended then you're probably never truly succeeded and likely never will.
>>74646828
>>74649483
It's about time that the Jews speak out on this matter
>>74653850
20 trillion isn't an insurmountable sum. US annual GDP is over 17 trillion. In time and with budget cuts the debt can be eliminated. Without cuts, though, the debt will continue to expand.
>>74646828
>giving a shit what Hollywood kikes think
Pic related, it's the same shit every time. The establishment fears the Donald.
>>74653834
>Pure coincidence I'm sure.
Do you have proof that it is not?
I could just as easily state that they got the majority from voter suppression and gerrymandering, doesn't make it true.
>Once again, an impeachment doesn't have to be successful to be attempted.
Yes, but if it doesn't stick the the people in the GOP trying to get stuck looking a like a fool and lose their seat. You have this idea that government officials are moral purists to their citizens, this has never been true. And never will be unless you can lobotomize them to be so. Self preservation isn't something easily brushed aside.
>I'm okay with corruption when a Democrat is in charge of it
Did I say that? Actually, further to the point, did I say that I saw it as corruption? Do I disagree with large scale surveillance is a bad idea? Of course. Do I think that even having unfortified embassies staffed in a hostile territory is a bad idea? Absolutely. Do I think we should use entrapment -even on foreign gangs-? Nope, I don't give a shit what other people do. Let them sell their poison. Let people die if they so choose.
But none of these things is A: Illegal or B: Without massive precedent.
You make these assumptions because you are not talking anymore, you are arguing against your faceless enemy. I'm not your enemy, I am a person. I just happen to see things differently is all.
>>74646828
>One party in America who's sole purpose is to freeze the govt, and not fix any of the problems
So basically this guy's argument is
1. it should be easier for the Dems to run roughshod over opposition.
2. this is ok because Dems are "at least trying"?
He should move to Canada! Justin "throwin 'bows and breakin nose" Trudeau's liberals have been trying to limit the opposition since they got in, it wont belong until we have the one-party system Mr. Leibowitz seems so fond of!
Shit he's gone full kike mode for this election.
>>74654077
Salon.com is a liberal news outlet in the same way that stormfront is a conservative one.
They aren't. They are the extreme left and right, and are in no way representative of the majority of people or the majority of their professed party.
>>74652799
People tend to agree that things such as fairness, protection of life, protection of autonomy, protection of property, ensuring the safety of children are good things. In fact if an area doesn't protect life, property, or children, the society will cease to exist due to chaos or simply dying out in the case of children. Therefore, the best moral system is the one that promotes those things the best. You find this out by reasoning and observation, much like through other sciences. Read an James Rachel's intro books on ethics. They explain very well why subjective morality, or the belief that morality varies from person to person, doesn't logically make sense.
Tl;dr Ethics is the most conservative humanity class I have seen.
>>74652940
This.
>>74648269
Ferguson, and the other violent chimpouts and vandalism lately have all been committed by leftists.
>>74654316
>Rejecting reality this hard.
>>74655093
Salon isn't alone. Huffington is shit too.
The left is looking really bad right now.
But you are most likely a faggot who think pedophilia isn't that upsetting
>>74654908
>voter suppression
You're not seriously spouting that meme, are you?
>You have this idea that government officials are moral purists to their citizens,
I have this idea that elected representatives should represent the people who elected them, crazy I know.
>Nope, I don't give a shit what other people do. Let them sell their poison. Let people die if they so choose.
It's not just the bad guys who are at risk though. They forced through the Iran deal on the lie that they were negotiating with moderates and at some point in the future innocent people are going to die for it
>You make these assumptions because you are not talking anymore, you are arguing against your faceless enemy. I'm not your enemy, I am a person. I just happen to see things differently is all.
You're one of these useful idiots created by the media and our fucked education system for the purpose of serving and apologizing for tyranny. While you are a person, you are also an unwitting piece of the entity that I do regard as my enemy
>>74654428
Trying to leverage laws that have already been passed 2 years later as a impediment to a budget is not the responsibility of the Democrats to negotiate with.
The bill passed and was signed into law. If you want to repeal a law, you can do so. But what you do not get to do is shirk your current duties -passing a budget- because you lost 2 years ago and your sore about it. Its pathetic.
>>74654897
>US annual GDP is over 17 trillion.
GDP isn't tax revenue. Tax revenue minus required expenditure like military, infrastructure, law and order isn't a lot relatively speaking.
>Without cuts, though, the debt will continue to expand.
Again, unless you raise taxes. to pay down the debt. Both ways work perfectly fine, and together they work doubly well, so why should the conservatives way be the only way? Why shouldn't we use both? At least until we operate at a surplus.
>>74655502
Your argument falls apart because you are saying they are sore about it like it is a bad thing to be sore about a law you think is bad. It isn't wrong or bad in the slightest to try and hamper a law that doesn't do the people justice.
It is not only not wrong to do so, but it should be a moral obligation of a representative to bring down laws that harm the people.
You may disagree on whether the law is harmful, but the logic they are using makes sense.
"Law is bad and harms people" ->"I serve the people"->"Therefore the law should be removed or hampered in whatever way possible"
Also you are a massive faggot.
>>74647160
That's Cruz's platform. Trump's not a "true conservative" remember?
>>74654428
How can anyone think both parties played a hand in the federal gov shut down? That's was 100% my Republican parties rogue side that full on lost their fucking minds and picked a fight that was 100% unwinnable on any level..
they took an issue that was already a done deal in the ACA and looked to stall it with a 100% different bill. The senate passed the blah blah bill for the budget. The house wanted no ADA funding in that budget, even when the debate ABOUT the ACA was already a done deal.
but the house kept re-re-re-doing shit and sending it back to the senate with de-funding ACA shit when they already knew 100% they did not have the votes in the senate to make that happen. So it just comes back.. loop after loop and the gov was shut down. It was disgraceful and one of the many things my party has done that makes it harder and harder to defend certain sides of it anymore.
it would be like if you had a debate over what sort of family car to buy, don't get the car you want and then enter into this epic level of fight about buying gas for said car. So now your kids can't get to school, you can't go to work, no new trip to the store for food being you will NOT budget gas for that car you lost the debate about before..
>>74655405
Again, the point, you massive shithead, is that do don't get to point at a minority and call it the majority just because it suits your narrative. Well, unless you are a simpleton that is.
>The left is looking really bad right now.
Not as bad as the right did toward the end of Bush.
>But you are most likely a faggot who think pedophilia isn't that upsetting
This is how I know for a fact that you are a dumbass. I said normalizing pedophilia isn't possible, that would seem to imply that I think it is aberrant and disgusting would it not?
Get your head out of your ass and listen to people, don't just put them in a box and start hitting it.
>>74655433
>You're not seriously spouting that meme, are you?
I literally JUST used as it as an example of un-provable statement. You would think that would mean I don't believe it or have proof wouldn't you?
>I have this idea that elected representatives should represent the people who elected them, crazy I know.
No, you have a fantasy, if you knew anything about psychology, history, or politics you wouldn't be that naive.
>and at some point in the future innocent people are going to die for it
People are always going to die. Likewise people are always going to make prophecy out of educated guesses. People are always going to die in or because of the middle east. Its 9th century religious government using 21st century tools of war. The best we can do it try to mitigate it.
>You're one of these useful idiots created by the media and our fucked education system for the purpose of serving and apologizing for tyranny. While you are a person, you are also an unwitting piece of the entity that I do regard as my enemy
Thank you, you just proved my point better than I could have possibly with your clearly disturbed and angry accusative rant there. Meanwhile, how many times have I done the same. You make yourself look like a child when you things like this.
>>74656185
>Not as bad as the right did toward the end of Bush.
The left are vandalizing entire city blocks and assaulting people. You're also literally trying to suppress free speech by propagating SJW safe space shit in universities, etc.
>>74646828
>>74647869
>(You)
>>74655805
>It isn't wrong or bad in the slightest to try and hamper a law that doesn't do the people justice.
It is when you disregard the entire system of governance and the threat of not doing your job.
IF YOU WANT TO REPEAL A LAW YOU VOTE ON IT.
YOU DO NOT LEVERAGE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR GOVERNMENT TO REPEAL A LAW THAT WAS LEGALLY PASSED.
THAT IS FAR MORE TYRANNICAL THAN A VOTE WOULD YOU NOT AGREE?
DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND NOW?
>>74656803
>BLM people rioting is the fault of Obama on the same level that the Iraq war was the fault of Bush.
I'm done with you.
>>74652613
The only reason they were successful is that the western elite supported them and we had world hegemony in Gandhi's time.
Still achieved through threat of violence, just directed in a weird self destructive way.
>>74648269
Yeah, guess what? Conservatism, Militantism, hatred of degeneracy, etc are a culture's natural way of preserving itself.
If you don't have those things at the bare minimum you will just be overtaken by a culture that does, just like Sweden getting taken over by Islam.
Every powerful and influential culture throughout human history has held these values because the ones that don't are weak and are either conquered or die out.
>>74648605
Yeah, he gets paid, but he gets paid to shill his own opinion. He's not just reading a pre-approved script like $hillary. They want him for his personality. They already know what he's going to say when they hire him and they probably couldn't afford to get him to say something that isn't in line with his values cause he's already fucking rich.
>>74646828
If you really want to be truthful how about you go by the name John Liebowitz?
>>74657869
>>74646828
Anno Domini 2016
Giving even a small shit about what a comedian named Jonathan Leibowitz thinks or says about politics.
>>74658043
>Anno Domini 2016Giving even a small shit about what a comedian named Jonathan Leibowitz thinks or says about politics.
Alright, Niggas, I'm out, I'm on the West Coast and haven't slept yet.
This was fun though, I've gotten a lot better at this since I last participated. Several of you just stopped posting or focused in on one thing amidst many. Means I am winning.
Good night /pol/, just remember, you are always wrong.
Typical horseshit, calling representatives obstructionist for doing what their constituents elected them to do. "why don't these people just do what we want them to"
Holy fucking shit Trump has brainwashed you all
>>74651059
let's just have the country ruled by one all-knowing all-seeing party that can never be challenged.
>>74647236
>>74647708
>>74647746
>j03neOWU
>j0n
Hello kike
>>74646828
Just so you guys know, Jon Stewart completely BTFO'd Hillary Clinton right after his comments on Trump:
>>74646828
>"I imagine her to be a very bright woman, without the courage of her convictions, because I don't even know what they are."
>"She reminds me of Magic Johnson's talk show."
>"There are politicians who are rendering their inauthenticity in real time to seem authentic"
>"There is a delay, as if she's fighting something."
Still says that Hillary is preferable to Trump though, fucking old Jewish bastard.
>>74660336
Fuck, I forgot the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp_gIWAaQVI
>>74646828
Jon, you need to understand, "At least they're fucking trying" isn't a good argument.
When you do more harm than good by trying it's a BAD THING. If literally doing nothing would yield a better result than 'trying' the it's better to do nothing.
Like that dumbass who tried to save the Bison calf at Yellowstone the other day. He took the calf away from it's heard to "try and help". You know what happened? The heard rejected the calf and they had to euthanize it.
>but at least he was fucking trying.
This is the problem with people who argue through emotions.
>>74657116
>>74655993
Answer my god damn fucking question.
>So both parties are responsible for the shutdown, or is that not how our government works?
I hold absolutely no loyalty to that shitty party, but I want you stupid faggots to acknowledge that all sides are responsible for the government shutting down, not just some retarded neocon party.
>>74646828
He looks like a jewish Corbyn with that beard.
>>74646828
All kikes should be gassed.
>>74649497
pls go to reddit now
>>74646828
>Gop makes bipartisan effort to save Puerto rico
>Gop has many strong objectors to Trump's positions so they meet with him to iron out the differences
>Trump takes advice of heritage foundation on supreme Court picks
>Meanwhile Democrats are literally shooting up each other's campaign offices, and publicly attacking their own dnc due to mass corruption and undemocratic nomination process
>Republicans are so stupid guyz
>>74647240
He is getting a new show, but it isn't on his old channel. Comedy Central is still screwed, Jon is going to HBO.
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>>74656803
Can liberals go a day without screaming about how Bush personally screwed the US and poor Obama is just misunderstood? They both had a hand in messing up America's foreign policy. Either through war or arming a bunch of terrorists to raise hell across the world while toppling nations that threaten to use their own currency. But continue ignoring 90% of what people are saying and start swearing about something else like that gives you credibility.
Keep pretending you are the oppressed minority while our public education system keeps pumping out generation after generation of college, liberal fascists. It's all Bush's fault.
>>74654140
Oh wait a second, we only represent a small section of the extreme right, we are no way representative of the normal right wing.>>74649497
>>74655502
>cannot touch pass laws unless there is absolutely nothing else to do
>which is never
You sound like a totalitarian. You scream about them being sore about a law yet you are still sore about Bush despite Obama being president for 8 years while everything is still apparently garbage.
>>74649979
>citation needed
LIEbowitz
>>74657306
It's not just BLM, it's multiple other leftist, communist, and DNC splinter groups; including Hispanic nationalist groups.
>>74658568
This.
>>74661265
People have explained their reasoning why the tea party in the House was responsible for the shut down. Why don't you offer some reasoning as to why it is both parties fault.
>>74646828
>Let democrats do what they want
>>74646828
>Republicans are bad because they don't do what democrats want
>>74646828
Don't kikesplain to me or my wife's son ever again
>>74667042
>Why don't you offer some reasoning as to why it is both parties fault.
First off, we aren't talking about the Tea Party.
Secondly, all parties are at fault for the shutdown because the shutdown was only possible when all parties couldn't come to the table and negotiate and agree upon their terms. That's how our government works.
>>74646934
>Mexicans aren't the problem
As a Texan I can tell you they are a big fucking problem
>Muslims aren't a problem
Tell that to the people killed by Muslim extremists
>republicans are bad because they don't do what democrats want
This guy is a fucking clown
>>74646828
Let's just conveniently ignore the shitshow that is the DNC..
You know, before /pol/ I wouldn't have known he was a kike, but now the nose is just right there in my face and I can't ignore it
It's weird
>Stewart blaming obstructionism in the US on the republicans alone
Wew lad
>>74667503
They're actively doing what cruz tried doing to trump. Shady underhanded ways of getting delegates for Hillary. At least the GOP realized how corrupt that looked and let Trump get the nomination. Bernie obviously has the popular vote and yet they're making new rules to try and get Hillary in. If anything needs criticism, it's the all too obvious corrupt DNC
>>74647236
Not really
The party that's fucking up America isn't the Republicans nor the Democrats. It's the establishment that took over both parties.
The two party system is a complete farce owned by the kikes. They perpetuate it with the media corporations they own and they control it with the political puppets they put in power.
>>74647708
>invited to speak
>not paid
Are you underage or just retarded?
>>74647746
>ObamaCare passed without 1 single Republican vote
Those mean, intolerant conservatives refusing to vote for a bill they couldn't read.
>>74646828
>>74646934
>>74662943
Hopefully they'll can that Drumpf shitposter.
>>74647746
wrong cuck. Harry Reid created the stalemate but the media covered for him and Obama. Then the last two years the repubs have given into Obama.
>>74657306
>If I had a son he would look like Trayvon
>>74661265
How about No anon?
Look, the reason it was shut down was because the government didn't pass a funding bill due to language delaying or defunding Obamacare. Something Obama had been elected to enact not once, but twice.
The republicans effectively completely capitulated to the democrats and allowed the funding bill to go through with minimal alterations to Obamacare.
Threatening to shut down the government unless the democrats agree to defund or delay something they had a mandate to enact not once, but twice. The house republicans could have easily picked another day to defund Obamacare but they decided to make defunding obamacare a condition of passing the governments funding. The majority of Americans did not support their effort from the outset in polls, they were ultimately unsuccessful in their effort, it was a stand they should not have taken. It was pure and absolute obstructionism by the part of the republicans and anybody that thinks the democrats are equally to blame is delusional.
>>74667397
Sure you can say both parties are at fault for failing to negotiate an agreement if that's the only point you're trying to make.
However I would not hold both parties equally accountable for the failure in this situation which becomes a more subjective debate of course.
We're not moving forward without killing lots of people. You can thank the ((((((liberals)))))) for that.
Oy Vey!
>>74655502
>complaining about budgets when democrats never passed a budget while they were in charge
>>74646828
>claims to complain about democrat identity politics
>attacks republicans
topkek
>>74655789
Trump will eliminate the debt by selling assets that are mostly useless
And by renegotiating it
>>74668412
>The republicans effectively completely capitulated
They saw that "shutting down the government" was just creating terrible publicity for themselves, so its only self-defeating to continue doing it
>>74661265
I really wondered what the hell the republicans were smoking around the shutdown. The only way they could have possibly "won" was by forcing the democrats to capitulate or turning public opinion against them. When the public voted for Obamacare twice in a row, and when the democrats could simply point out they had a mandate to enact Obamacare when asked why they don't back down for the good of the nation, really how did the republicans ever think they would win that?
I just don't understand it. It was one of the most out of touch things I saw the Republican Party do. I don't know if you just listen to conservative talk radio all day or some shit but no it wasn't equally the fault of both parties, it was one of the most embarrassing failures the republican party embarked on during Obamas Terms.
I also really saw this entire Idea as the Tea Parties and especially Lyin' Teds brainchild moreso than the GOPe who seemed half disgusted with how retarded their own party was being.
>>74668412
So again, both parties couldn't agree on terms and both parties were responsible for the shutdown. True or False, you fucking leaf?
>>74668423
>I would not hold both parties equally accountable
Then you're fucking wrong. Both parties are equally responsible. That's how our government works.
>>74668423
>Sure you can say both parties are at fault for failing to negotiate an agreement
The Republicans "negotiate" for a full acceptance of all of their terms, period.
That's now how negotiations or cooperation work. You can't say "We won't consider any recommendation you make" right at the onset.
>>74668412
>bluepilled canadian
Why am I not surprised that a Canadian believes in the left vs right paradigm? Perhaps you should think fucking harder?
>>74669141
I conceded to you that both parties are responsible for coming to an agreement in any negotiation situation, that's a fair logical basis. However I think the distribution of blame for the failure is dependent on the context of the situation. It's like claiming both parties are at fault in a car accident when one drive runs a red light at an intersection.
>>74669142
^This
>>74669141
No you retard, they weren't equally responsible, the republicans tried to force the democrats to do something they really didn't want to do, when the democrats had leverage on the republicans because of their mandate to enact obamacare. The republicans were acting completely retarded and the democrats were simply winning free political points handed to them by the republicans.
>>74667794
This is the only good post in this entire shit thread.
>muh republicans r evil
>nuh uh! muh DEMOCRATS r evil
You fucking children better start thinking hard about the people in charge of your livelihood.
>>74657116
Super late response because I was busy, but here I go.
>It is when you disregard the entire system of governance and the threat of not doing your job.
It is a leader's job to serve the people. If the law is not serving the people, then it is their job to hamper that law. It was what should've been done to things such as Jim Crow, but wasn't. It is also the same thing that should be done to any laws limiting self-defense.
>IF YOU WANT TO REPEAL A LAW YOU VOTE ON IT.
Correct. They weren't trying to repeal it; they were trying to hamper it and defund it so that is irrelevant.
>YOU DO NOT LEVERAGE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR GOVERNMENT TO REPEAL A LAW THAT WAS LEGALLY PASSED.
Why?
>THAT IS FAR MORE TYRANNICAL THAN A VOTE WOULD YOU NOT AGREE?
No.
>DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND NOW?
No. Caps lock is cruise control for cool, but you still need brakes anon.
>>74669142
>The Republicans "negotiate" for a full acceptance of all of their terms, period.
Except that's backwards, you fucking retard. The put their terms on the table and walked away, then blamed the Republicans for shutting down the government.
>>74669773
>I conceded to you that both parties are responsible for coming to an agreement in any negotiation situation, that's a fair logical basis.
All right then, fuck off with your party blaming then, faggot.
>they weren't equally responsible, the republicans tried to force the democrats to do something they really didn't want to do
The other way around, you fucking retarded leaf. The Democrats put their shit on the table and then walked away.
>>74646828
>>74648269
Nice oxymoron: objective morality
>>74646828
Kill yourself jew
>>74670476
Sorry, forgot to link my response.
>>74670103
>>74648269
Not to forget, hating degeneracy, and being a traditionalist is not wrong. Therefore, you're completely missing the point of why ISIS is bad.
Furthermore, violence can solve some problems - see Appeasement and WWII, you retarded liberal.
>>74646828
Fucking hell. Why does this fucknugget think that Trump is winning? It's because republican voters are very not satisfied with the republicans in Washington and want someone different. Yes, they're trying.
