Redpill me on the UKIP please.
Do they only want to separate UK from everything else or do they have legit policies?
UKIP is just the BUF in disguise.
>>74637920
if you aint white, bongo bongo land ====>
No, they are somewhat libertarian. Farage champions the idea of a Free Market in his anti-EU speeches.
Read their manifesto, Australia.
>>74637920
They want to get out of the neo-Marxist disaster that is the EU. What the hell do you mean by "separate the UK from everything else"? We're one of the largest economies on earth, that's neither possible nor anyone's aim.
>>74638011
Does it have a centrefold?
>>74637920
They aren't perfect but they're a big step in the right direction.
>>74638047
>What the hell do you mean by "separate the UK from everything else"?
The only thing I heard so far was that they only want the Brexit™ because that's what the mainstream media suggest.
>>74638161
Well that's obviously because most of their policies are domestic. For other countries in the EU, they're only worth talking about because of their stance regarding the Union.
They have a manifesto that covers a whole range of policies. Read it if you actually care, take my word for it if as I suspect, you don't.
>>74637920
>UKIP
>legit policies
You only need real policies when you're in power.
>>74637920
I don't get if there's a UKIP why there isn't a similar scottish movement?
>>74640762
Scots are cucks
>>74640762
UKIP is a UK party, not an English one and it has a presence in all countries of the UK despite being most popular by far in England.
Why would the Scots have a party devoted to leaving the EU without their own independence first? It'd have to be a Scottish nationalist, anti-EU party and the demographic for such a thing is likely to be very small indeed.
>>74637920
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=UKIP
You can read all their policies at the link above.
>>74637944
Lol
After your very helpful inputs and Wikipedia, I have come to the conclusion that the UKIP sounds great to me.
>Can't barrage the Farage
sounds like a good meme to me too.
>>74640762
scots just want someone to pay for them. but without seeming as though it's the english picking up their tab.
They're currently undergoing internal stuggles relating to 2 groups at odds with each other. One is loyal is are nige, the other is loyal to the 'new UKIP'.
The latter group really only came about after last years elections. They were the group looking forward post-Nige. They were obviously pissed off after Nigel came back after 'retiring' from UKIP.
They want someone else to be leader of UKIP because, while Nigel is an influential person, they feel he is no longer suitable for leading the party in a truly electable future the party needs to go in past this upcoming referendum. They are uncertain he can lead them if the UK votes 'in'. Carswell is outwardly visible as someone who wants rid of Nige as leader (hence why he supported the other vote leave campaign team, the now official vote leave campaign). UKIP Wales also want rid of Nigel, as they feel he is meddling too much in their operations, along with the reasons given above. This is why they voted for someone Nigel hates as their leader for the Welsh party.
The group behind Farage though view him as their only real source of success, his charisma is why they are where they are. They view this 'new UKIP' group as a bunch of ex-Tories (which some are, admittedly, like Carswell) meddling in a party which they've only been members of for 5 minutes. Nuttall is one prominent member in support of Farage.
Most low-level membership and local activities are run like shit, members continually no-show for events. Vote leave campaigning from UKIP is poor across large amounts of the country.
Membership is strong, given the glut we had from last years elections, but many aren't renewing.
Basically, the party will be in full-blown turmoil if the UK votes 'In' in June and Farage doesn't step down.
t. 'kipper
Want to know anything else? Just ask and I'll answer if I can.
>>74641521
They're certainly better than the two main parties, practically anything would be. It's just a shame that they're not nearly popular enough and that even if they were, our voting system would screw them.
>>74637944
British Ultra Fascists?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
Nigel is Britain's savour, the prophecy has foretold it.
>>74641853
What're the ex-tories in it for, how do they want to change party policy?
>>74641930
https://youtu.be/bM-lddfU3TE
>>74641902
British Union of Fascists led by Oswald Mosley. You have seen his picture if you have spent a day on /pol/ pic related.
>>74642106
Ultra sounds better.
>>74641957
They defect from Tory to UKIP because they agree more with their EU stance and migration policies, along with UKIPs generally more right-leaning, conservative fiscal policies.
But the Tory defects (and many other people high up, from what I know), want a party that is actually electable. So they're trying to change the leadership which will give them a clean slate to create a party that has a proper manifesto that speaks to the electorate, rather than just being the Anti-EU party which they currently are seen as being.
>>74637920
Moderately-nationalist libertarians. The reason they focus so heavily on leaving the EU is because the European Commission is unelected and can essentially overrule anything our government does. They know that so long as we're in, no positive change will ever be made, so getting out must be the first priority.
>>74642210
Sounds like a cuckservative infiltration to me, people vote ukip because they're sick of those career politicians
>>74642599
Nah, from what I've heard being said of them, they're here for the long-haul.
You've got to remember, Tory cabinet make them basically Blue Labour, and UKIP internally want to be what the Conservatives should be, the party for the right-leaning, small government thinking electorate.
Sorry about my poor choice of words by the way, been up for far too long trying to get back to my normal sleep schedule, and I fear it's melted my brain.
>>74642830
>the right-leaning, small government thinking electorate.
This kills their Welsh and Northern vote though, no?
>>74643276
I wouldn't say that would kill their Welsh vote, as we haven't got one to begin with (waheey).
And it shouldn't kill the North vote either, as MUH NHS/ police and fire service would still remain a priority for spending.
It's more the red tape civil service areas which we want to really cut down on, to stop interfering in businesses and let them trade as freely as possible, while still somewhat protecting workers rights to a similar level to as is currently expected.
So I don't think it's the sort of cuts that will lose the North or Wales, so much as it will lose votes in cities which largely rely on these public sector votes.
The thinking is that it'll win those voters who feel the Tories are too intrusive into our daily lives and those who feel Labour are too in love with the unions, those same unions who many are now seeing as serving more for themselves than the employees they serve. (The whole Doctors shit showing that recently, where the BMI were almost willing to go into territory that would've alienated large amounts of the public, after being offered what many seem as reasonable contracts and still talking about going on continual full-scale walk-outs. Most people support the Junior doctors because of the role that they do, not because they feel the contract is perhaps unfair (which it really isn't/wasn't))
Should add at the end of this, I'm not too certain on the direction UKIP as a party want to go on post-referendum, this is just from rumblings I've heard of and what people (at least locally to where I am, and the people they answer to) want the party do.
Can someone post the UKIP pepe were the royals and the other parties get mad in the background?
>>74642210
>Muh electability
Sure, let's get rid of Nige as leader who single-handedly took us from 3% to winning a national election. Let's replace him with Suzanne fucking Evans. We'll see how many elections we win then
This is such a bullshit argument, saying that to attract Left-wing voters you need to compromise. The left won't care even if you detoxify the party, they're just trying to get you to argue on their terms so your own arguments become out of date. Even if you modernize a party they're not going to give a shit, they'll just demand further reform
Cameron decided to make the Conservatives a copy of Blair's New Labour in 2005 because, and I quote, "Right-wing voters have nowhere else to go"
Thankfully he got fucked in the ass
>>74637920
If causing a Brexit is all they ever achieve, that's still way more than most.
>>74644190
We aren't trying to win left-wingers, we're trying to get right-wingers to think we're a real party with more than one issue. They want to be /the/ party for the right-leaning ENG-ER-LAND.
You've got to admit that while Nige has, and still is, doing a fantastic job, he does often boil everything down to the EU, which in a months time will be something that we can't realistically fall back on. one way or another. Well, unless we pull an SNP and just bitch and moan anyway.
>>74644690
>We aren't trying to win left-wingers
Then you're being short sighted.
There is potential for UKIP to sweep the North and Wales on a combination of socially conservative stances on immigration, foreign aid and sovereignty, and a move away from the free market hardliners like Carswell. Polls show most UKIP voters are as left-leaning economically as Labour voters, with most favouring re-nationalisation of the railways and energy companies.
>>74644190
Yeah, this "compassionate Conservative" rubbish is as dishonest as it is pathetic, I didn't like Ukip for their high minded ideals about libertarianism, I liked them for their right wing populism and common sense arguments that could appeal to the working and middle class alike
>>74640762
because ukip are anti eu and anti immigration, scotland are pro eu and pro immigration
>>74637920
UKIP and PEGIDA, UK need to join forces to make London English again. I think the EDL, Britain First and the BNP would be nice additions to that group as well.
>>74645399
EDL hate BF and the BNP, unless it's been infiltrated by the BNP again in recent times
>>74641930
Shed a tear desu lad.
>>74645399
They're pretty disparate groups. UKIP are only vaguely nationalist, PEGIDA are exclusively anti-Islam, the EDL are old-school skinheads, the BNP are actual national socialists, and BF are just vaguely patriotic but don't have any real substance to their policies. Any alliance between them would just devolve into infighting - it's better that they stay out of each other's way and each push separately for their own cause.
Where UKIP think the UK is: http://i.imgur.com/vvBlSbf.jpg
