THE GAP IS CLOSING
>Revealed: new evidence reveals greater skews in phone polls
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/20/revealed-evidence-greater-skews-phone-polls/
>Phone polls have too high a percentage of graduates – YouGov's online polls don't
So, YouGov conducted an experiment. They asked participents in the phone polls if they we're recent graduates and deduced there influence to there previlence in overall society. This lead to the polls posted below (see pic).
My question to you lads is this, should we have hope?
(pic related)
Leave now leads in online and phone polls.
>>74584043
That's fucking right Gareth, we're crashing this union with no survivors
So when will we get to fight each other as sovereign nation states again?
>>74584043
>Still over a month to go
Can we do it lads
Can we tap into that meme magic and save Britain?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6FZ-V8w_8&feature=youtu.be
Good video someone posted in the last thread. I suggest you all send it to any undecided/Remain voters that you know.
>>74584319
This, sums it all up perfectly for people who think leaving is all about 'muh immigrants'
The remains will always have the advantage in polls as well because people don't want to be seen as 'racist'. Shy tory factor and all that.
I have some hope but I expect poling 'problems' in areas expected to be mainly out voters.
>>74584299
Soon lad, as soon as we vote to Leave the EU and it falls apart Europe will once more turn into colonial powers and begin spreading our influence throughout the uncivilized world.
>>74584299
>someone tries to "fight" us
>we just nuke them
Thanks for playing.
>>74584481
Doesn't America tell us when to use our nukes? kek
>Most BBC EU-related HYSs easily break 1500 plus comments, something usually very rare, and at least 75% pro-leave.
Is it a good sign?
>>74584319
>not posting the most /pol/ video of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UCm6LNj7P0
>>74584319
I'd vote for Hannan to be PM.
>>74584481
>Trident
we'll be fine
>>74584319
If Nigel ever falls, Hannan could easily take over being the voice of Eurosceptism
>>74584481
At least France builds their own nukes, instead of just gluing warheads onto US rockets.
If you're so sure we're going to leave, why not make a shitload of money? Betting sites have remain at 1/5 and leave at a delicious 100/30. Clearly you guys know something the bookies don't, so stick a grand on it and run off with over 3 in profit.
>>74584586
I've noticed that on pretty much every news site and on a lot of EU related Facebook posts. It seems the Government and Corporations are telling us one thing, while the public says the complete opposite.
>>74584621
My bad chap. Praise Farage.
>>74584755
I'm hoping if we Leave and Boris Johnston ends up as the head of the Conservative Party and wins the 2020 election (He probably would), that he gives Hannan a big role in his cabinet.
>>74584909
I wouldn't say we were sure, we just care a lot, and good results like this are encouraging
>>74584913
>I've noticed that on pretty much every news site and on a lot of EU related Facebook posts
I'm certain it has something to do with the telegraph scrapping comments completely frmo their website. That was really dissapointing though, since there's no reason for me to go there now.
>>74584913
>>74584621
>MFW watching that video for the first time
>>74584909
t. Tottenham
>>74584298
>Britain crashes the EU
>Survives fine on it's own
>Other countries that want to leave turn to Britain
Stealth Empire 2.0 desu lads
>>74584569
Lolno
Who votes Brexit:
- Edgelords from /pol/
- Neets (muh migrants took my job, what? no I don't want to apply at that company)
- Anarchists
Who votes against Brexit:
- Normal people
- Patriots
- Tax payers
- Educated people
- Democratic people
- Europeans
- Economic analysts and scientists
Well, it's pretty obvious. You can either prove what a special snowflake you are and vote out, or be someone who cares about the FUTURE of his country and vote STAY.
The majority knows what's good for UK, but do you?
>>74585211
>who don't vote: mountain jews
>>74585211
For you mate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w3Lm_gu-ZY
Can we all just agree to stop replying to the butthurt first aid kit and giving him the (you)s he's hoarding like nazi gold?
>>74585427
Yeah, it's probably for the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FK-oWA7Oj8
>>74584697
I love how immodest he is with his patriotism.
>>74585427
So you agree that you're defeated. There is literally no hope for Brexit, besides discussing with your edgy friends here what would happen in a parallel universe.
Why are you wasting this time and energy? You know exactly like everyone else that the majority votes STAY
>>74585211
>o-only switzerland is allowed to be outside the eu and horde jewgold
Are you worried you might have some competition Swissbro?
>>74583990
Everyone send this video to your remain/undecided friends, probably the best 6 minutes there is to convince them to leave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6FZ-V8w_8
>>74584319
It's very hard not to read his bit (starting with New Zealand joining Australia) as very easily transposable to Scottish independence.
>you'll never see a British Confederation [Independent Scotland, England, Wales and NI as independent countries, but remaining closely interlinked, probably with common border policies.] created outside the EU
Why even live?
>>74584319
>>74585691
oh shit didn't notice that post
Then out spake brave Horatius
Captain of the gate
To every man upon this Earth
Death cometh soon or late
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of his fathers
And the temples of his gods
>>74585599
A shame he's shitting on Trump like a neocon cookie-cut from the cloth.
>>74585636
Why would a mountain jew care whether Britain is in the EU or not when your country isn't?
>>74585790
Wales, NI and Scotland have no business being independent.
>>74585982
I concur
>>74585211
Not you again, ignore this globalist shill who isn't even ruled over by the EU
>>74585690
No, but it won't work the same for UK like it does for Switzerland.
UK belongs to EU
>>74585946
Because I think UK is a nice country and I care about the future of their people. I don't want their country to become another South Africa because they made the wrong decision. STAY is the best option they have
OK, lads.
So the first thing we do when we're independent is invade Switzerland, right?
Alice wants brexit.
>>74585211
This is T*rkroach tier shitposting.
>>74585790
I think in the next 5-15 years we'll start seeing Britain devolving more powers to Scotland, Ireland and Wales and only keeping maybe two or three central powers to themselves (Defense and Immigration), which would quell any sort of argument for independence from Scotland, Wales, or Ireland. Ideally England would have its own Parliament as well with some minor powers devolved to London so it isn't the focus of England anymore. Then we'd have a central UK Government that deals with Defense and Immigration etc (As said above).
Into my heart an air that shills
for Brexit
>>74585982
Wales and NI are hacking it quite a bit, Scotland's got a claim as good as any other. [Wales being given credits for a cool flag and Leanne Wood, NI being a vague way to keep it united vaguely with us while also sidestepping political questions on her status.]
Besides, in the way I'm envisioning it's barely independence at all. You get all the cultural trappings of a revival in national sentiment with all the practicalities of the union. An economic union of Scotland and England makes great sense, but Scotland his a historic nation with her own national identity and recognition of that in state form would be a good thing.
"British" identity is in many ways damaging to the interests of the constituent nations of the UK. Immigrants tend to identify as British, but not as English or Welsh. I would perhaps even concur with the left that "British" identity is outdated, an outward looking identity for a nation that no longer has an empire to identify with.
It's just that my solution isn't to dilute it with Muslims, but to pull it back to something that does provide a national identity - Scotland and England in particular, Wales as a tagalong and NI as a kludge.
>>74586064
>No, but it won't work the same for UK like it does for Switzerland.
Then if you aren't worried why are you so vociferous that we should remain? Why does Switzerland deserve to be free but not the United Kingdom?
>>74583990
>read thread
>see
>THE GAP IS CLOSING
>Think gap is closing its stores
>about to tell wife
>realize the post is not about gap at all
I was tricked
>>74586376
Basically a federal system with more devolved powers?
>>74586338
>which would quell any sort of argument for independence from Scotland
Probably not. That very situation was the SNP's desire for long enough [devo max] because it means independence is a trivial next step. It becomes very easy to run an emotional campaign on, and economic data is more plentiful and manipulable.
Though what I described is basically what you described, except a confederation instead of a federal UK. [Meaning the SNP get all the trappings of statehood, while keeping the same monarch, in a confederation for defence, immigration, sections of trade, etc.]
Basically the same thing turned inside out. In those circumstances, with Saltires over Edinburgh, it's in the SNP's interest to hand immigration and such off to the confederation.
>>74586583
lol, sorry burger
>>74585188
>mfw when we start EU 2.0 based in London instead of Brussels
>>74583990
The EU will never take my toaster. Or my high powered kettle. Oh yeah, the rapefugee army over there? They can keep them but they can stay away from my goods. Let's tell 'em on June 23rd.
#Brexit #Freedom #ProjectSelfRegulate
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/brexit-bingo-which-of-these-celebrities-want-the-uk-to-stay-or-leave-try-ourquiz/article30105081/
>>74586064
South Africa is shit because of niggers, you're a moron
>>74586486
UK is free since its creation in 1801.
I care about the outcome because I don't want to see the British nation suffering from a wrong decision just because they were selfish.
If you want your children to grow up in a great, wealthy nation it's obvious you are voting STAY
I'm scared lads, can we really do it?
>"I'm sure the deserters will not be welcomed with open arms," the European Commission president told French newspaper Le Monde in an interview after being asked about the day after a vote for Brexit in the June 23 EU membership referendum.
>"If the British should say No - which I hope they don't - then life in the EU will not go on as before," Juncker added.
>"The United Kingdom will have to accept being regarded as a third country, which won't be handled with kid gloves.
>"If the British leave Europe, people will have to face the consequences -- we will have to, just as they will. It's not a threat but our relations will no longer be what they are today."
WW3 confirmed for brexit, we must once again unite against the European fascists!
>>74585211
fuck off medpack, your country should have been raped and pillaged by the soviets as well
>>74587115
I believe in Britain
>>74586583
>>74587079
>>74587142
Another proof that only edgelords are voting for Brexit. No real arguments because they know they're fucked if they leave.
What happens to Grease if UK brexits?
Pic related, sophisticated Grease art of a women shitting in a bucket.
There is literally nothing wrong with being a immigrant.
Go, right now, and look at the comments section of any article discussing the EU. Looking at Facebook, BBC, even the Guardian, you will see many more people are passionate about leaving.
The leave campaign has two inherent strengths: Older people (predominantly eurosceptic) are more likely to vote, and people who are impassioned by a cause (Brexit) are more desperate for change, thus more likely to vote. Polls do not take this into account.
Just look at the general election last year to see how irrelevant pollsters are. Brexit will happen and Britain will thrive.
>>74587440
>There is literally nothing wrong with being a immigrant.
>>74587102
We're under the yoke of Brussels, we're not free.
If we're free then allow us the the freedom to fail.
>>74587135
Shitson.jpg
>>74587440
There's way too many though. Immigration should be a privilege, not a right.
>>74587394
Greece? I don't know, they've already been more than fucked by the EU and themselves
Too many leafs on /pol/ today, lets revisit the Emperor's speech. Maybe one day Britain will be Great Again and get some guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQu5W021cT0
MAKE
ENGLAND
GREAT
AGAIN
' Alpine cretinism was described from a medical perspective by several travellers and physicians in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.[9] At that time the cause was not known and it was often attributed to "stagnant air" in mountain valleys or "bad water". '
Do us a favour and die in an avalanche.
>>74587814
>Trump shooped onto worst Primarch
Fuckin heresy m8
MAKE
AMERICA
GREAT
BRITISH
AGAIN
What do I need to do to remain in the Uk if they vote to leave?
>>74588377
Nothing, laws can't be enacted retroactively here.
>>74586673
That's the problem with the SNP. They want control over issues that need to be common for an island this small. Like immigration for example, if someone immigrates to Scotland it is incredibly easy for them to move to England, same vice versa. So both countries then would have to spend millions on securing the borders. Same with defense, if someone invades Scotland they're incredibly likely to invade the rest of Britain, and same again vice versa.
If the SNP began pushing for heavy devolution the Government would likely give it to them, then the Irish and Welsh would get it as well. Then the Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland can maintain their national identity while reaping the benefits of being in the UK. No country would have to worry about defense, immigration or securing trade deals as that is the only think the UK Government would have to handle.
>>74588377
if you're here legally you should be fine
it'll take years to sort out anyway
>>74588377
>Implying you'll be allowed to remain
>Implying we won't march you into the chunnel and flood it
>>74588377
Anyone here legally will likely be given a visa, since you entered legally at the time, we don't enact law retroactively.
>>74588501
Hilarous how you are talking like there is just the slightest possiblity of it happening.
Seriously, that's one fucking severe case of autism right there
>>74583990
>should we have hope?
Not according to ladbrokes.
>>74584319
Holy shit that speech was amazing.
*Patriotism intensifies*
>>74588485
They're less concerned with control over the issues in itself, and more concerned with getting saltires over Edinburgh. (You've gotta oversimplify some of their policy positions, but that's their root ideology.)
You offer them their own seat at the UN and other international institutions and the other trappings of statehood, with the only cost being that they cede immigration, defence and large parts of trade, and I bet you they'd take it tomorrow. You offered them that in 2012, that'd be that.
No form of devolution is good enough for the SNP, they exist to procure independence, but as we know from "Independence in Europe" as policy, they're perfectly willing to cede control to supernational bodies - like a hypothetical British confederation - once independent.
>>74585691
Ah that was eloquent, patriotic and utterly blew Spearchukka and Clegg the fuck out
>tfw the minorities are trying to keep us in with the sole purpose of bringing more immigrants
We NEED to get out & then we need to elect a strong right wing government to kick out all the kebabs & dindus.
We're going to lose. The think tanks that run the EU have already decided.
The only way out of this is to expose them for the cheating rats they are. Wish me luck boys, I'm going in.
>>74585691
>Are Nige
>Based Hannan
>Literally WHoey
>Spear Chuka
>Liz
>Pork Clegg
>And fucking Brillo as the moderator
Fucking A, those are some top candidates
I need to watch this shit in full
>>74588706
>Seriously, that's one fucking severe case of autism right there
he said whilst spending his time arguing with foreigners about something that doesn't even effect him on a bhutanese passport registration site
Voting to Remain. AMA.
>>74584314
Harry wants to do his mum proud. Can he save the realm?
>>74583990
I BELIEVE
>>74588706
Where's the source on this? Looks like a Scotland poll or something since UK wide is like 52-48 all the time.
>>74589048
Go prep your gf I'm going to rail her in front of you.
>>74586808
and if they resist we take them by force
>>74586808
>>74585188
>June 24th declared independence day
>Within 5 years, the U.K and has overtaken every European country
>The EU slowly fragments away into a mere relic of the past
>2nd Britannic Imperial Empire forms, with each country of Europe becoming a client state of Britain
>King William declares Nigel Farage Protector of the United Kingdom
>Form closer relationships with the U.S after God Emperor Trumps landslide victory
>Lord Prince Farage and Lord Emperor Trump, with the blessing of King William, form the super alliance of The United States of America and Great Britain
>Go on to dominate the world
>>74589048
Fuck off and die
Too scared to debate me? Typical Rightist idiots.
>>74589213
What a great retort. Given that you're posting anime, I don't think you'll ever rail any woman.
Can't wait for this referendum to be over so the edgy basement kids can be given a walloping.
Newsflash: you are the minority. People with actual common sense will vote to remain and we'll be leading 55-45, probably.
KILL EVERY JEW BEFORE THEY KILL YOU
>>74589048
>tripcode
>unwarranted sense of self importance
This has got to be a first.
>>74589363
Good for them. I already have work lined up in Canada for when this goes tits up. Have fun being dictated to by unelected Germans.
I wanna know if Nige is coming to Nottingham. Wanna get a picture with the bloke.
>>74584314
I'm pulling for you guys to vote. The EU needs a wake up call or dissolve, and this is the best way to do it. If you boys lose, you don't lose the poll, you lose sovereignty.
>>74589334
>wanting 3D
>ever
>>74589048
How come most people on here are egdelords who don't know what's good for their country's future? How come you are on the only rational Brits here?
Do you think UK should spend more money to treat the autism of your fellows here?
>>74589048
Why do you want us to stay tied to an undemocratic and stagnant trading union which has not seen any economic growth over the last ten years? The EU is continually spiralling downwards and it's taking everybody else with it.
>>74585427
Agreed bongbro. Those faggots made their choice and when they are surrounded by "European" friends, especially "French" and "German" newfriends who might not respect neutrality (or even a woman's right to a clit), they may change their minds.
>>74589213
>>74589314
>>74589478
>>74589542
Still no actual retorts. Guess I am intellectually superior.
>>74583990
It's happening.
>>74589523
>Nottingham
It's looking very positive in our area lad, which is surprising since we are staunchly Labour.
Nottingham Bro reporting in.
>>74589617
Okay. I'll take the bait.
Why do you want to stay in the European union?
>>74589363
>45% of the UK are edgy basement kids now
>>74589588
Definitely. Although rounding them up and shooting them would be even better.
>>74589579
The only reason you like 2D is because you cannot get any 3D.
>>74588935
We need to remember, we aren't trying to keep the SNP happy, or keep them from running another referendum. We're trying to keep the Scottish people happy, and if we offered devolved enough powers to Scotland the people of Scotland would be happy, and if the people are happy the SNP are no longer needed and another party would take their place running Scotland.
>You offer them their own seat at the UN and other international institutions and the other trappings of statehood
That would be done to a degree. If the UK devolved as much as previously said and England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland had their own Governments the UK Parliament would be voted in every 5 years with each country putting forth 4 (Or so) representatives and then a Prime Minister would be voted for separately using a majority vote. Although for this to effectively work as intended there would be no political parties in the UK Government to avoid biased decisions. They would then handle Defense, Immigration, Trade and any international affairs as they arise, which wold effectively give each country a say in the UKs decisions.
>>74589660
Seeing a few areas in my area with people having signs and massive posters saying to vote leave. Makes me so proud.
Even saw a chap outside in a busy area with a card saying vote leave.
>>74589579
>the average weaboo neet who votes Brexit
Jesus christ, that's horrifying. Luckily the majority of Brits are not worthless like you and will vote STAY.
>>74589856
It's amazing lad. Gives me true hope that we have a legitimate chance of leaving.
>>74589725
Brexit is looking more and more like the Donald's nomination. Scoffed and laughed at by the elitists around the world. The cosmopolitan cuckolfs and their overlords are so incredibly out of touch with the average voter that they have no begun to actually believe their own propaganda.
Pretty amusing tbqh.
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't Brexit. That's up to you guys. Just pointing out that this hasn't exactly been a winning year for elitist prognostication.
>>74589492
You know the European Commission is only one of the institutions of the EU, right? The Commission can't do anything without everybody agreeing. If a member state is determined enough they can stop the EC from doing anything. Just like Britain did to regulating bankers bonuses, financial taxes, and just about everything else concerning regulating banks.
You are brainwashed by the likes of the Express and the Daily Mail. The European Union only does the stuff that member states can't be bothered to do themselves. That's all it is.
>>74589725
Yes, they are. Most of the UK are retards and uninformed. Leaving the EU doesn't magically make us the British Empire version 2.
saw Farage start the bus tour today
heavy potential for memes. This will be it lads. This is the final countdown to winning the hearts and minds of the people.
>>74590023
>Leaving the EU doesn't magically make us the British Empire version 2.
No one thinks this, we just want democracy, sovereignty and control of our borders back.
>>74589592
>undemocratic
In which way is it undemocratic? Everything proposed by bureaucrats gets voted on by the MEPs, who are elected by the member states. Seems pretty democratic to me.
>stagnant trade union
In which way is it stagnating? It's growing, and in an increasingly globalised world we must remain part of a larger trading bloc in order to ensure economic security and to ensure we get the best deals.
>>74589706
Economic security. Diplomatic ties. Able to compete with competitors such as Russia and the United States. Not isolated. Stronger in terms of security. Just to name a few.
>>74589916
you're not wanted here, medkit
>>74590008
It's all part of the great uncuckening of 2016.
We exit EU and you elect Trump.
>>74590116
>In which way is it undemocratic? Everything proposed by bureaucrats
>>74589916
Go back to your fallout shelter and count your nazi gold you fucking cheese eating mountain kike
>>74589816
The SNP would stay in power because they're popular for reasons other than independence. They're more competent than Labour, they sound kinder than the Tories but don't put up taxes, and so on. Maybe in the long term you could drive them off, but as a centrist party of technocrats they'd probably hang around as the main opposition, the government in waiting.
And if the SNP are ever elected again, we come down to "Well, we control basically everything already, all we need to do is vote Yes and pay someone to sew some more saltires..."
Your proposed system sounds like it would work largely the same if we were dealing with a union of independent nations.
For what it's worth, like I stated originally I'm also in favour of the independent-states options because it allows for increased nationalism in all 4 parts of the UK, while retaining advantageous co-operation.
>>74589916
>Switzerland not in EU
>constantly shilling for EU
Explain
>mfw i live in liberal/faggot/multicultural shithole bradford
>>74583990
MODS ARE FAGS
How likely is brexit? I really want it to happen but i'm not confident of it happening...
>>74590159
Not a retort. You're actually retarded and needs to be... exterminated.
>>74590230
Refer to the part I said immediately afterwards.
>>74590314
You're alright man. Stay indoors tomorrow.
>>74590307
He's a paid shill. The EU pays for social media shills.
If Pigfucker, Gideon and Obama want in, I want out.
Self-serving hypocritical fucks.
>>74590255
I dislike the SNP but I have to admit they are superb political operators and have captured a huge swathe of support across all divisions of scottish life
To lose the referendum by 10% and then come back and btfo everyone in the 2015 election is pretty impressive
Nonetheless i really hate what they stand for
>>74590116
>In which way is it stagnating? It's growing
literally a lie
>>74589916
>Significant for chocolate and clocks.
Kill your self. Stop intervening in a vote you don't understand and stand to attention the new british empire.
>>74590314
>faggots
>in bradistan
Really? I'm gay and the only homophobia I've ever been victim of was some pakis
>>74584319
Holy fucking shit, that was a treat to watch. I don't know who the fuck that guy is, but he speaks an awful lot of sense.
>>74590372
Good news is that most of the libcucking students will be at Glastonbury festival so that eliminates those pricks voting to remain because they want to be culturally enriched.
>>74590378
So the parliament are a rubberstamp body with no real power? If the bureaucrats don't like a proposal they just don't introduce it and no matter what the elected MEPs do it can't happen.
Sounds worthy of the USSR to me.
>>74590413
All men smarter than yourself. You're just jealous of their intelligence, right?
>>74590307
He's not wrong. Listen to him, he could teach you something.
>>74590440
Prove me wrong.
>>74590108
>all of the European institutions have either directly elected representatives or representatives that you elected in your own country
It's not anybody else's fault you voted for the losing candidate in the general election or for your MEP. That doesn't make it undemocratic.
did anyone answer the in out question on an atm? there were 40,000 responses 53% remain 47% leave
>>74590446
Yeah, we have a problem with these people. They are literally colonising this city now. And of course Dewsbury.
>>74590116
>get the best deals
Apart from we never do, because the conflicting interests of the 28 member states means that the deals are never perfect for anybody, and it takes us about 10 years to all agree on the bloody things
>>74590116
>Economic Security
This is a literal meme. There is a reason the Trent 900 is used on over half of the A380's. Countries won't stop magically trading with us simply because we are not in the EU.
>Diplomatic Ties
7th largest economy, 4th biggest military power, part of the G8, have a permanent seat on the UN Sec Council. We do not need any more 'diplomatic ties', and any we do have, are strangled by Germany.
>Competing with the US and Russia
We are not in the 1800's any more. We cannot compete with these countries, whether we are in the EU or not. The best we can do is get closer to the US, via proper trade deals, and work hand in hand with them as we should.
>Not Isolated
See diplomatic ties.
>>74590116
>Malta has 10x the per capita representation we do in the EU
>We can have laws that all our MEPs voted against imposed on us by other countries MEPs
>This is democratic
Yeah nah m9
>>74590544
Too detached from democratic accountability. I can't vote out the UK commissioner, I can't vote out the EU's president.
>>74590116
>In which way is it undemocratic
How about there are 28 EU commissioners that are held accountable to nobody and were not voted into office by the people.
>>74590527
Parliament still has significant power and can turn down any law. Like I said, British MEPs are able to vote on issues within the European Parliament, so the EU is in no way undemocratic.
>>74590626
And yet, we still get a better deal by remaining within the EU than we would outside. Most heads of state have claimed that we are better off inside in terms of trade, diplomacy and security.
>>74590532
>Prove me wrong.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11700443/The-EUs-dwindling-importance-to-UK-trade-in-three-charts.html
Reminder that the EU currently faces the following problems:
>Greek economic nightmare
>also Spain, Portugal, Italy, France
>migrant crisis
>impending visa free travel for Turks
>home grown islamist terror
>islamist infiltration through the migrant crisis
>resurgent far right all over the place
>resurgent populist left in Greece, Spain, Portugal
>massive conflict with eastern europe over migrants
>relations with russia
>the city of ukraine
>massive increasing tensions with the PiS government in Poland
And what solutions does the EU have for these problems?
>404
>>74590532
Don't reply to me ever again you fucking shill
>>74590760
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Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
>>74590690
Yes, you can. Vote in someone who will not support the commissioner or the president. The president needs the approval of the European Parliament.
>>74590760
>can turn down any law
That the commission gives them. Which means it can not give them laws it dislikes even if every MEP wants said law.
How is that democratic? It's like if the commons had an unelected body controlling what it was allowed to vote on.
>>74590307
We got this far because we mostly made the right decisions. In this case, the right decision for UK is voting STAY.
>>74590444
>british empire
Sorry to crush your dreams, but the only thing you will achieve is even worse of a situation than the niggers of South Africa. The UK will become famous to be the "European niggers".
Are you really this stupid to go all in on some vote which you don't even understand? It's fairly obvious you don't have any comprehension of simple economics.
Why are you not rationally thinking what the best for UK is? Why do you cling to the past and the """glory times of the British empire"""? If you'd just care a little bit about the future of your country, you'd vote STAY without any doubt.
>>74590729
Again, THICK CUNT, the MEPs are able to vote on issues. It is 100% democratic.
>>74590517
i'm a student and most of my mates are voting leave, going to try and convince the rest to vote leave as well. Also convinced my mum and sister to vote leave too, feels good man
>>74590887
>layers and layers of beaurocracy to keep the voters away from the decision making
Amazing, just the like USSR or North Korean voting.
>>74590949
>the MEPs are able to vote on issues
That the commission allows them to.
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>>74590997
Good lad
>>74590949
Hi there!
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>>74590946
So how come it wasn't the right decision for Switzerland to STAY?
>>74590949
Only the issues that the Commission supports and if they don't get their way they push it again and again until they get the result they want as well as a slipping a few sly brown envelopes to the right people.
>Posting Comrade Corbyn
Go take a shower you greasy cuck
>>74590862
Intellectually roflstomped once more. Hurrah!
>>74590869
My identity is important because I'm the only smart person on this fucking board. Plus I made an AMA so they knew when it was me posting.
>>74590921
It is democratic for reasons I have already stated.
>>74591011
>MEP
>layers and layers of bureaucracy
>making excuses this much
>>74590116
>In which way is it undemocratic? Everything proposed by bureaucrats gets voted on by the MEPs, who are elected by the member states. Seems pretty democratic to me.
One of the fundamentals behind democracy is that those who propose laws can be held accountable by the public. The MEPs cannot propose legislation, all they can do is propose changes and block it IF they have a majority. Which can often led to foreign countries dictating British Laws and overruling the British Government that we elected to govern us.
>In which way is it stagnating?
The EU has had roughly the same economy since 2006 while China, India and even Ethiopia has double. The EU applying more and more regulations onto British and European Business' means its almost impossible for these countries to compete outside of the EU. The British industry was at its peak pre-WW1 before the Government starting putting regulations on everything, the German economy grew so fast after WW2 because their Economic Minister removed almost all of the regulations on their businesses and allowed them to compete globally.
Trade Deals are a huge myth. You don't need a trade deal to trade with a country, hell we don't currently have one with the US and we continue to buy their products and they buy ours, trade deals only make it slightly easier to trade (Nothing drastic). Additionally, the EU slows down the process for getting trade deals with the likes of Canada over petty issues with some of its member-states.
>Diplomatic ties.
We're the 5th biggest economy in the world, 4th biggest military, and we have a seat on the UN Security council. We have plenty of diplomatic ties, if anything staying in the EU will ruin these ties.
>>74590949
>the queen has sole power to propose legislation
>the commons votes on it but cant propose it
>this is democratic
>>74590789
To give you an idea of how terribly the EU is at planning and contingencies listen here.
You'd think with our vote they'd have some civil servants drawing up plans in case we do vote leave, just in case, right? So they're not caught out. It would be sensible right?
Instead all EU workers have been banned from even considering that we might choose to leave, so the whole institution has no idea what it'll do if we do vote to leave.
I'm voting leave and everybody I know is voting leave too, HOWEVER...and I know this is deflating as fuck but seriously...I don't think we can do it. /pol/ may be right about most things, but everything you want never happens. Ever.
Clearly the best thing to happen is we leave the EU, and because of that reason, I doubt it's going to happen.
>>74591208
It's not democratic for reasons the people replying to you have stated.
>>74591208
>It is democratic for reasons I have already stated.
>It's democratic because unelected people have control on what the elected body votes on
Good shill
>>74591105
>>74591173
The MEPs can vote on all issues, and Parliament does not have to approve them. Nice ad hominem. NOT AN ARGUMENT, as the Stefanites say!
>>74591208
>My identity is important because I'm the only smart person on this fucking board. Plus I made an AMA so they knew when it was me posting.
this board has id's faggot
>>74591379
>he MEPs can vote on all issues
That the commission gives to them
>>" Most British people instinctively know they are not as good as people think they are."
-John Oliver
>>74591293
Meh
Either we leave now or we stay in and the eu collapses anyway
Look at all the shit >>74590789 it is facing
Either it will centralise and deal with the problems, which would start ww3, or it will just fall apart
You cant have a continuing loose confederation of states bumbling on like this forever, it is too unstable to last
>>74591161
We were never part of the EU, how can we stay? Makes no sense.
You are so tied to the EU, leaving it is literally the worst thing you can do.
>>74583990
Not even any DA JOOZ conspiracy shit here, but are the gov rigging these polls? Who do any of you actually know who is voting to stay?
>>74591409
Yeah, but the problem is Rightists are too retarded to read. That's why they primarily post Karen the Cunt and badly sourced infographics.
COme to /r/UnitedKingdom and debate us there.
>>74591460
The commission gives them all laws. They have to pass through the MEPs.
>>74584909
t. Andy Burnham
>>74583990
>should we have hope?
Abandon hope. Naught but action will save our home.
>>74591539
>The commission gives them all laws
Except those it dislikes, which are killed before any democratically elected individual even has a chance to look at or vote on them.
>>74591498
>Implying they need to
The British public were stupid enough to vote no to AV, most of them have no idea what the fuck they're voting for next month
>>74591466
He's a literally who here, he was on mock the week like once or something.
>>74591460
You are so fucking retarded, you are a disgrace for all the British people.
The democratically elected parliament has to pass (meaning saying "Yes" or "No") the law.
Is this impossible to get in your shit head?
In fact there is absolutely no problem with the EU, it's perfectly democratic.
>>74585211
The Chronicles of the Swiss Shill: Return of the Autist
>>74590946
>Sorry to crush your dreams, but the only thing you will achieve is even worse of a situation than the niggers of South Africa. The UK will become famous to be the "European niggers".
No, we have a great economy Our economy and Germany's is by far the best. We are not south africa, which was pretty shit to start off. We could trade with the commonwealth [Australia, New zealand, America, etc, ect]. We are not limited to the EU and we could always trade with America. Based trump would support a brexit and will probably put UK at the front of the line,
>>74591466
That unfunny kike isn't even British
>>74591731
And couldn't finish a joke to save his life.
>>74591770
>it's perfectly democratic.
>>74591770
>the Queen has to allow legislation before parliament can vote on it
>this would somehow be democratic even though she could kill stuff she dislikes even if every MP wanted to vote for it
This is what you're arguing for anon.
>>74591539
>Law gets put to the EU parliament that would be good for the UK and have no effect good or bad on everyone else
>MEP's from other countries don't like that Britain could get a half decent deal for once
>They vote against it
>No deal for us
Great democracy they have there
SO ITS TREASON THEN?
>>74585211
>Anarchists
>Far-left
>want to destabilise and remove borders for migrants
>Tried to smuggle migrants in
Are you okay, shill?
>>74591770
Is it impossible to get in your head that they can only pass laws that they are given by the unelected?
>>74591686
Are you suggesting the Commission kills MEPs who work against it? What a surprise, the Rightist is also a conspiracy theorist.
>>74591328
I've explained why it's democratic. None of the attempts to prove otherwise have been successful...
>>74591223
>>74590631
Objectively nonsense.
Classcucks
Anyone got any good brexit memes?
>>74591869
Prove us otherwise, bastard.
What would it mean if the UK left the EU?
>>74591266
Source? I would love to be able to use this
>>74591995
>Juncker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmcaVDT2Uls
>>74592023
>Are you suggesting the Commission kills MEPs who work against it? What a surprise, the Rightist is also a conspiracy theorist.
Bait.
>>74592023
>Are you suggesting the Commission kills MEPs who work against it
Read it again Ahmed
>>74591869
EU is more democratic than USA.
Watch your own continent, Amerifat.
>>74591995
Reminder that this is sensationalism.
He said word for word in that statement "I don't think Britain needs the EU but I think the EU needs Britain".
>>74591920
Commission proposes law -> MEPs vote on law -> MEPs either reject or accept laws, if accept then -> law goes to British Parliament.
>>74592067
Hope.
Something we've not had in over 50 years now.
>>74592067
Freedom
>>74590255
I live in Scotland and I get the opposite impression from the SNP. They aren't more competent than any of our previous Governments. The only big changes that they've brought in is an increase in taxes to cover they're massive spending deficit (On top of the Barnett Formula (Roughly £9Bn)) which they borrow from the pension funds. Sooner or later their spending habits will come around and bite them on the ass.
It's likely the SNP will shrink over the 10 years. They recently lost their majority in the Scottish Parliament elections because people are beginning to get sick of them constantly rambling on about another referendum and not running the country like they should be. I'm confident that come the 2020 General Election the SNP will lose 5 or 6 of their MPs and will begin to see that the people of Scotland don't want another referendum.
>Your proposed system sounds like it would work largely the same if we were dealing with a union of independent nations.
I think if we're going to move forward as the UK we need to implement a system similar to this. Its inevitable that while the SNP have a majority they are going to cry and beg for a second referendum, and unless the Tory's secure a win in 2020 we may see a second referendum.
>>74590423
>To lose the referendum by 10% and then come back and btfo everyone in the 2015 election is pretty impressive
Its not that impressive if you look at why the won the majority.
All the people who wanted Scotland to become an independent country (45% of the voting population) voted for the SNP. Whereas the 55% who didn't had to chose between Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems etc, so their vote became so watered down that the SNP won. Keeping in mind they didn't win a majority of voters, they only won a majority of seats.
>>74592196
>a-ahmed!!
Great retort, conspiracy theorist. Continue proving me intellectually superior. Next you'll post Karen the Cunt, right?
>>74591770
You're the the fucking retard. What he said was right, the EUP can only vote on legistlation presented to them by the Commission. MEPs can't draft their own bills and present them to the parliament.
>>74592196
>>74592140
Don't reply to hired shills m8.
Still can't bring myself to believe it though. It just seems like setting ourselves up for disappointment.
>>74586486
If you think the Swiss are free or that a Swiss situation for the UK would be good then you have a horrific lack of education on the EU and the Swiss position.
This is of course expected considering you are pro leave and post anime.
>>74592267
so we can't make law unless an unelected commision decides to make law that doesn't sound very democratic
>>74592378
Prove him wrong, nutty mcnutface
>>74592267
>Unelected body proposes law
It's undemocratic in your very first step.
>>74583990
>Live in Farnham
>Vote Leave banners everywhere
Do it, Britain, vote OUT, even if the EU tries to kill you, you must break free from these chains!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgJVV9hD5yY
>>74592051
>Bradford
>>74592424
They got a lotta loyalty
>>74592485
Yes, we can make laws via Parliament. We can also reject European laws. Seems pretty democratic to me.
>>74592548
WHICH THEN GETS VOTED ON BY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PEOPLE FOR FUCKS SAKE!
>>74592586
>Yes, we can make laws via Parliament
That an unelected body has to introduce first.
>>74583990
>>74584043
One question Brit friend. Why is it even this close in the first place?
Why is Britain not clamouring to escape the dictatorship of Brussels?
>>74592051
KEK
E
K
>mfw i live here
>welcome to hell
>>74592586
>WHICH THEN GETS VOTED ON BY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PEOPLE FOR FUCKS SAKE!
So? The point remains that the process is not democratic from the start.
>>74592485
>>74592009
The democratically elected parliament can reject the law as long as it doesn't agree. The commisioners are working for the parliament so in the end they have to adapt the changes the parliament wants.
Jesus, it's horrifying to see how uneducated you are. Don't you have like basic schools in UK?
>>74592586
but you just said only the commsion gets to propose legislation, so that the commison is the one making the laws
does the commison have the supreme power in the eu?
>>74592672
The entire media is shilling for the EU except a couple of newspapers.
We've had the PM say WW3 will happen if we leave and shit.
>>74592210
Not really and either way 2 wrongs don't make a right.
>>74587394
>Grease
Wow, the American stereotypes of loving fat food and having no global knowledge do hold true...
>>74592672
Liberalism is a mental disease. You'll be surprised how many people want Turkroaches to be able to travel here unrestricted too just because they want to virtue signal how tolerant they are.
I've been to Turkey. Fucking nasty people. They lock you in stores and force you to buy shit and I saw 4 different instances of them kicking dogs in the street for no reason.
>>74589048
what is your main reason to stay?
>>74592780
Don't bother with him, two threads of getting BTFOd and he still goes on
mindless EU shill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szy15XdYngQ
my fav conspiracy theorist
Greetings fellow British citizens!!
*swish* *swoosh*
Yeah, that's right - Aussie flag muthafuckazzz!!
(I'm on holiday - lewlz)
So I guess I have a shitposting permit; behold - my shitpost!!!
CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Anyway. On the subject of meme magic. It appears to be in its most condensed form over on r/the_donald. I propose we make a formal SOS to our American Trumpanions to direct their meme-beams across the pond in the lead up to our independence referendum.
>>74592728
>The democratically elected parliament can reject the law as long as it doesn't agree. The commisioners are working for the parliament so in the end they have to adapt the changes the parliament wants.
would you describe the british parmliamentary system as undemocratic because it has the unelected and elected chambers in reversed roles?
>>74592692
I went to Bradford once and thought that it wasn't going to be that bad, boy was I fucking wrong. Why are you still living in the biggest shit hole?
Don't have a dog in this fight, but from my viewpoint across the pond the EU is a deeply corrupt, corporatist, anti-democratic organization. If my country was a member I would certainly want to cut ties just based on what its done to Greece alone. From a democratic perspective, whether you're coming from the left or the right, I just don't see how you can come down on any side but Leave.
>>74592867
>kicking dogs in the street for no reason.
Muslims hate dogs
fuck those shills llike nigel farage french guy/Tax haven the isle of man/and mistress working for eu parliament
>>74592665
>>74592727
>>74592737
And? The fact it that the laws are voted on. Plus the commission isn't even unelected.
>>74592885
Previously stated in the thread.
>>74592962
You're right - you don't have a dog in this fight. Fuck off, you fucking retarded American. Go support Trump or something, retard.
>>74592773
>We've had the PM say WW3 will happen if we leave and shit
Proof?
>>74592780
kek you can't even elect the president. You have to vote for a party and the electoral college will then vote for the president, but the electors can actually freely choose.
>>74592921
No because part of the legislation process is democratically elected.
>>74592982
I'm a cat person but I'm not gonna kick a fucking dog.
>>74592921
The commons has the right to over-rule the lords under the parliament acts 1911 and 1949
