Should we? If not, why shouldn't we? I think they learned the lesson, so maybe it's time to shake the dust off our boots and step in?
The only nuisances I can think of:
>FARC
>Bolivia
Who the fuck would intervene and what would they gain from it?
The only country I can possibly think of would be Colombia to prevent any kind of mass influx of refugees
>>74572148
Are you fucking kidding me you stupid fuck?
If we intervened they would bitch and moan about it then blame everything on us.
>>74572148
FUCK VENEZUELA!
Let them sleep in the socialist bed they made.
>>74572148
They haven't learned their lesson until half of them have starved. You need a massive atrocity to drive people away from an ideology, a little struggle does nothing.
>>74572148
>Foreign intervention in Venezuela?
Absolutely not.
Let them die by the millions.
The world must be reminded what Socialism leads to.
>>74572337
>What would they gain from it
Apart from the massive amounts of oil and precious metals ? nothing... I do hear they have really pretty women
>>74572148
SA nations should decide if they want that commie state next to them. If not then you should work together to install new government there.
>>74572148
Fuck no, let this be a lesson to all. You reap what you sow
>>74572385
They already do, and so do the rest of the leftists on planet earth.
This is despite the fact that we have been their #1 trading partner for decades and are literally the main source of funding for their govt by buying 700k-1m barrels of oil per day from them.
No man. Think you will just waltz in and greet you like liberators? The hue hue army will be raped by guerrillas. You think the other South american Nations would approve og dasilvas playing police? Nah man. Let Venezuela implode like it should
Venezuelan here, I cant say for.sure but our country isnt easy pick, we have a large mechanized force decent planes and some SAMs from Russia and our defense strategy is focused on an US backed invasion from colombia or a Sea invasion from the Caribbean. It wont be easy for you uncle san and remember is latin america not the middle east, you will be labeled as demons if you really invade my country, venezuela is not panama or cuba
Man dasilvas have such a fucking superiority complex...you Are not a superpower.
>>74572148
No they need to die.. They must reap what they have sown, that's the only way to help them
>>74572421
>Let them sleep in the socialist bed they made.
Precisely this. They got exactly what they voted for.
>>74572148
you need to be for the fuckin lefties here feel the need to do it. DO IT NOW.
>>74573044
*before
>>74572148
>helping socialists
Nope. Let them die, it's their fault after all.
>>74572148
As in, should BRAZIL intervene?
I know that you guys have the raw vital experience working in prohibitive tropical/poor urban/rural environments, but yeah fucking right.
>>74572905
You are probably a fucking chavista commie living the good life in the US. No venezuelan soldier with half a brain is going to risk his life if a real invasion were to happen there.
>>74573261
brazil just removed their president or whatever, they're not in postition to do to anything
>>74572148
Nigger, they got in this mess themselves, its up to them to get outta it
>>74572421
>>74572573
This and this.
>>74573407
Exactly.
>>74572148
No.
The S.O.S. is related to lack of medicine and food, they want humanitarian help.
>>74573294
Better dead than chavista, and now is madurista the eternal commander chavez is dead ( offical title ) well if an invasion really happens hope not and the army starts to see Venezuelans die they will.defend the country but if the intervention Is really to take maduro out of the power, they will back it
>>74572718
Which is why I don't expect the US to intervene, and it shouldn't, regardless. But I do believe Brazil and Colombia should intervene militarily and temporarily control the Venezuelan government until the situation is at least stabilized. The only real "threat" would be Bolivia, although I'm sure they be rather easily persuaded into just sitting down and staying the fuck quiet while we're at it.
>>74572905
So they're literally eating cats and dogs to avoid starving to death and will soon be eating each other, and IF Brazil and Colombia step in, they label us demons? Sounds unlikely. Why are they begging for help then?
>>74573407
>or whatever
You don't really know what you're talking about. We're fine, Temer took over with his cabinet, been doing a great job so far.
>>74572982
>>74573040
>>74573116
That's the thing... they're already pretty far down the hole they dug themselves in, soon they'll be literally eating each other.
>>74573594
>and the army starts to see Venezuelans die
>if the intervention Is really to take maduro out of the power, they will back it
you're talking about a country with over 80 per 100k homicide rate. Venezuelans are being killed like flies, many in the hands of the army.
>>74573700
>soon they'll be literally eating each other.
Socialists really do share everything, don't they?
>>74572148
DON'T
let the world see what happens to a misguided cunt that is objectively abundant both resource-wise and human capital-wise
external intervention would help Venezuelans but also commies who can't help but play eternal victims, not unlike the most beloved group on this board; they made their choice, let them ride it out
>>74572337
>what would we gain from it
REFUGEES
>>74572148
I don't even know where to start if we wanted to fix Venezuela.
Deporting Chavez's daughter who's worth 4 billion in stolen oil money from New York would be a start
>>74572905
>my country, venezuela
Get the fuck out of America then and go back to YOUR country you spic piece of shit
>>74572573
Absolutely this.
>>74573976
arming the citizens would be a good start, right now all of Venezuela is a gun free zone, that's also why nobody can fight back against the leftist government
Why don't we just turn all of those commie countries in SA into brazilian colonies? I'm sure none would mind..
>>74574143
They have guns
They'd just rather kill each other for crime than actually mount a rebellion
>>74573594
get the fuck out
/pol/ has spoken, the overwhelming majority wins. So we just sit back, relax, and watch the carnage show as it goes. Welp, time to get comfy.
>>74574217
fuck off retard, this country has enough dead weight already
>>74572148
>Should we? If not, why shouldn't we? I think they learned the lesson, so maybe it's time to shake the dust off our boots and step in
Hello there, my jewish friend!
How are you finding the weather here in Brazil?
>>74573792
They are being killed by the hampa lowlife criminals and not like flies, jesus shit is bad but not african lvls of bad. Also you are talking about the national guard, military police
>>74574217
I agree
But dont you dare to touch colombia and we are all set
>>74572573
>muh 100 billion
Daily reminder that the USSR had no famines after 1947.
Yugoslavia, which was the closest thing to a textbook example of long term large scale socialism, had no famines for almost all of its existence. Same with Hungary, DDR, and Czechoslovakia.
>>74573927
Hardly, Chavez kicked US industry and energy corporations out and made them state run, turned out well eh? And when we tried to build bridges again, he went to the UN and made speeches about how we were Satan and would burn.
Lets also not forget their Axis of Evil friends who won't be rescuing them anytime soon, just the profiteering Indians trading oil for cheap medical supplies.
>>74572148
>why shouldn't we?
Because it's already finished. No point in giving the world's commies another excuse as to why communism resulted in nothing more than dead bodies.
They must learn to repent. For if not, they will burn in hell for being the thieves they are.
>>74574317
>not wanting to take all their natural resources while feeding them scraps
Have you learned nothing from our portuguese fathers?
>>74574218
>They have guns
Not the general citizenry
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9lo0OxrXLo
>>74574550
The Chinese have.
>>74572905
Ah, Top Quality Russian Engineering.
Come on, Venezuelan armed forces are only there to give the appearance of power and fear from the USA... and control the inevitable riots.
Just like in North Korea.
Installing a new government would be REALLY hard. Corruption, ignorance and the fact Venezuelans are only good to make a lines makes impossible to install a working government.
In the other hand, defeating the army should be a piece of cake. I estimate 2 weeks, breaking their record in Iraq.
I'm also sure Venezuela would also become even more of a mess.
>Don't intervene get refugees
>Intervene get blamed for it get 25% less refugees
>>74574461
Really? You are going to be sympathetic for communists while carrying my flag on your post?
Fucking embarrassing gas yourself
>>74573040
>elected
wew lad
>>74574461
>no famines for almost all of its existence
The beauty of Socialism. Almost no famines.
>>74573044
Hello Pinochet.
>>74574461
>Daily reminder that the USSR had no famines after 1947.
But they had food rationing in the late 80s until its collapse. Socialism = Poverty
>>74574550
>muh natural resources
spoken like a true third world leftist retard eternally condemned to poverty
natural resources can't make a country rich, human resources can.
>Brazil
>Being good enough to intervene anywehre besides their own favelas
And they can barely even do that.
South America is americas puppet. So we should intervene and kick the fucking commies out of the government
I don't want any Venezuelan rapefugees
REEEEEEEEEE
>>74574829
This
>>74574376
>is bad but not african lvls of bad
Caracas is the most violent city in the world.
>>74572905
Yet you shit fucks are allowed to invade my nations at will.
FUCK YOU
>>74575042
>>74574829
Also worth listening to uncle Spain, they know better.
>>74575000
Gran Colombia again then.
>>74574829
>natural resources can't make a country rich, human resources can.
Tell that to Norway and Saudi Arabia.
>>74572148
If it happens it has to be a South American initiative. Should the U.S. intervene it will legitimize the "muh imperialism" narrative that the band of thieves running Venezuela have been using to justify their continued incompetence and corruption.
I think the best hope for Venezuela comes from the Venezuelan people. As the situation worsens they will come to see how they have been robbed, fooled, and betrayed by the socialist lie and will hopefully use the legal instruments of power to oust the crooks in charge.
>>74574511
>Hardly, Chavez kicked US industry and energy corporations out and made them state run, turned out well eh?
your country's history in latin america is indefensible
why would you pretend here that american presence in that country is good?
chavez understood that *whatever* happens, less americans in his country is better
and you want to sing the song of told you so on /pol/? American corporations should have stayed there that's what you think?
fucking lol
>>74574647
I don't support Chavez or the USSR.
I'm an American and proud of it and make not going to censor myself.
>>74574829
>natural resources can't make a country rich
I get that we have too much corruption but come on now.
>>74574669
What do you expect? Eastern Europe was ruined in WWII, and if Yugoslavia had any famines, they were probably around then.
>>74575190
It'll work out, two generations in and their kids will be assimilated into our awesome American culture and will give two shits about Venezuela, parents will pay most of it back by working for nothing at jobs we won't have to do. Mexicans and other south Americans are basically our Polish, they do the shit that pays nothing like picking produce or cleaning homes, and we reap the benefits of non union labor with no rites to protest, and don't forget rite to work states.
>>74574829
>natural resources can't make a country rich
Yeah. Like in Kuwait. They have so much oil yet they are starving. Poor fuckers.
>>74574461
>America has never had a famine in the course of 240 years
Feels great, nigga.
If you've ever met a Venezuelan you'd know why not go bother. They are absolutely garbage people and their government is a result of that.
>>74574824
That was when the whole country began to fall apart. Market shock therapy in the early 90s made things worse.
what's the non-meme, non-shilling reason Venezuela is failing? I have been told it's because they're economy was relying only on oil exports and they didn't diversify. If this is true, why are Venezualan intellectuals the mental equivalent of an American retard?
>>74575629
Natural resources plus lack of human resources to administrate it equals Venezuela.
>>74572148
>Venezuelan Air Force
>Su-35s
>Brazilian Air Force
>F-5s
Nope. Beter let them die.
Soros will take good care of them. And their oil fields, Im sure.
>>74575834
only niggers post that, you stupid nigger
>>74575629
that just means a few people managed to claim all of it. unlike civilized countries like the scands, where the resource money is paid to everyone
Let's the Dominican Republic handle Venezuela.
>>74575271
>Norway
rich even before independence
>Saudi Arabia
shithole
now go look at Japan, natural resources mean nothing
>>74575629
that's barely a country, my city is more populous.
>>74575655
Not entirely true. There was some serious crop damage in the 1860s. Also the US was never an autocracy and was hardly ever invaded.
>>74575837
Natural resources let you buy human resources, like all the countries in the middle east that buy engineers with 6 figure salaries.
>>74575629
>>74575271
Natural resources arent the only ingredient to create a succesful economy. Dependence on something is not good, Venezuela is a great example, does Singapore have many natural resources?
>>74575629
>Oil
>Natural
Nice try lizard man.
>>74575000
Send them to Santo Domingo, and also nice trips.
>>74576213
>does Singapore have many natural resources?
Yes, it has the best port in the world after Panama. If anything Singapore is an example of the importance of natural resources.
Anyone esle ready for the conflict to play out like this.
>>74575837
Nig-
Nah, that is low-hanging fruit.
>>74576213
>does Singapore have many natural resources
They have high IQ people. But don't get your hopes up. This is a natural resource that will forever be out of reach for South America, unless you want to organize a proper genocide and resettle with real humans.
Alberta is not getting much of a help from the Canadian government even if we are burning and losing oil money. No one we can help other countries.
>>74572337
>what would they gain from it?
That place is a nest of leftists. Who ever invade it can start selling safari style tours for people willing to hunt commies
Socialists deserve to rot
If we help them it just shows that socialism works because someone is always there to save your ass
>>74576656
Indeed, show the world how their system actually works. It's like Russia in the 80s down there.
>>74572148
INVASION
>>74574461
>no famines after 1947.
>considering this an accomplishment
The U.S. never had a famine. Not even once. Even at the worst of the Great Depression there was enough to eat.
Also: after 1947 there were multiple times when the Soviet Union would have had a famine except for U.S. grain exports. We were literally feeding our enemy under the theory that nuclear war was more likely if the Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse.
Fucking socialists. I would beat socialist skulls in with a baseball bat if I could get away with it.
>>74576508
Singapore was a shithole during most of its existence because the Asians living there are subhumans, they need iron-fist rules in order for them to act civilized. If law enforcement in Singapore were to become as lax as it is in America they would go back to being monkeys.
Fortunately for them they have a very small country that's very easy to manage.
And the reason they are rich is because the big majority of ships going to China, SK and Japan must go through their port. Imagine if Panama was as small as Singapore, it would probably be the richest country.
>>74572148
we are going to take ur land back .
>>74574461
>put millions in concentration camps to work as slaves
>this is the price you pay to avoid famines under socialism
>>74572337
>Who the fuck would intervene and what would they gain from it?
Oil.
What kind of American are you?
>>74574461
Sure let's not count any famine before 1947.
Cuck...
I'd go just to save Venezualan qts
>>74572337
Oil retard, its time for the US to actually gain something from interventionism
>>74575326
Just because America takes advantage of you doesn't mean you are better off without us. You people can't see the forest for the trees. As Venezuala is rapidly learning, having US corporations in your country can be a very good thing even if they pay you shit.
We'll be waiting for you to invade our beautiful and powerful country, you rolitranco e' mamagüebo.
>>74577163
The gulags were largely closed or shrank after 1953. Even so, they weren't farms so much as small factories or mines.
The smaller socialist/communist countries had few, if any, labor camps.
>>74572148
NO NO NO NO NO! NO ONE MUST INTERVENE.
Thats the fucking problem with this world, everyone fucking intervening. I f no one fucking intervened only the strong and intelligent would survive and guess what? They wont be voting in another commie ces pit government anymore.
Let them face the true wrath of their idiotic choices. This international welfare pisses me off, stay outta it!
>>74576962
The US had some famine in the 1860s. Plus, we were never invaded except briefly in 1941, and we never had one-man rule.
>>74578538
>NO NO NO NO NO! NO ONE MUST INTERVENE.
>Thats the fucking problem with this world, everyone fucking intervening.
Look where lack of intervention got us and Rhodesia.
>>74575249
Pointing to conspiracy in lieu of any real argument or facts.
Keep on being Australia Australia. Never change.
>>74578294
well shit
>>74578916
As if the boer government would of ever helped Rhodesia.
>>74578916
Rhodesia was a colony and could not survive without England. England didn't want to be an empire anymore, and PM Smith was an idiot for not trying to give them a better deal and instead going with the UDI thus ensuring majority rule. Intervention wasn't needed, a total assumption of Rhodesia into the UK was much like French Guinea. But this wasn't the route pursued.
And, at the end of it, it sure as fuck didn't matter because we all moved to the better country (SA) anyway. Rhodesia even at it's height was pretty shit tier compared to Pretoria or Cape Town.
>>74572148
Venezuela got and will getr what they deserve. Let it fucking crumble and burn to ashes as a testament to the rest of the world of the benefits of socialism.
No intervention.
>>74573294
>>74572905
He is a Chavista living in Westonzuela.
>>74578916
>>74579902
Also notice how SA is not a shithole precisely because we didn't go full retard escalating protests into a war and instead chose to dismantle apartheid. Imagine how great SA would have been if there was a full blown communist civil war in the 90s. Nobody would win.
>>74572148
Let that shithole implode.
>>74572568
This. Let damn commies starve.
Without brazilian help they will starve twice as fast. God knows what could happen if the US stop buying their oil.
Let them cannibalize their own if necessary.
>>74572597
Like we gained massive amounts of oil liberating Iraq.
Except we didn't.
Fuck you, Vuvuzela isn't going to fool us twice.
Even if you intervene sucessfully then that will be used as a propaganda tool for the leftists in the future then the same shit happens again.
Better to leave it be.
>>74579807
>>74579902
If England weren't being cunts about it Israel (and South Africa) could have continued training and arming us.
Rhodesia was still finding her feet. For the amount of time she was around (and run by) she achieved/developed so much. In another 20 years she would have been GOAT.
>>74580210
Thanks to the CIA/Mossad for propping up Madiba.
Call exxon im sure if you lets some american companies have oil rights they'll send the CIA to work its magic.
>>74580454
Thats because Bush and neo con jews sold the oil righs to china
>>74572148
Sorry Brazil, but we should not intervene. We need to allow any and every Socialist country to implode, so the world can see how shit of an ideal it is. Not that they will notice anyway, but its worth the effort.
Eventually Venezuela will overthrow their Socialshit government, likely violently. They will then form a free market, like Chile, and become a productive nation again.
Never invade a Dictatorship, you only give them ammunition to blame their failed policies on outside sources.
>>74572905
Decent planes can only be useful if you are able to fly them. On the ground they're decent targets, at most. Russian SAMs are good, if your sea routes aren't being blocked.
You Couldn't survive a fucking month of open war against Brazilian Army...
How can you even believe you would kick american ass? I know you need to be a deluded fuck to believe in Chavez on the first place... But this is another level of dementia.
>>74581334
[citation needed]
Doesn't sound like something oil hungry Republicans would od
>>74572597
>>74577167
>>74577381
>oil
If you haven't noticed oil is the reason Venezuela is failing. Same with Middle East countries.
Another 300,000+ nigger and mestizo refugees to NL. No thank you, keep the peace in the region.
>>74580892
>Rhodesia was still finding her feet. For the amount of time she was around (and run by) she achieved/developed so much. In another 20 years she would have been GOAT.
yeah but the carpet slipped out before then. Times change and Britain no longer wanted an empire due to their ww2 debts + NHS. Smith's options were either independence or begging the UK for help. Ultimately the latter was the only real option if whites were going to remain a major part of the country.
>>74580892
as opposed to what? Imagine if people like the EFF were allowed to run SA. It'd be a shitshow.
>>74580676
This, dont give them more power, they love playing the victim
>that wasnt socialism
>it didnt work because we werent the ones managing it
>the USA, Spain and Colombia are after our nation
>Rajoy fascista
>The oppositors killed our people
>Allende failed only because of the USA
>>74581334
Great source mate
>>74582694
My initial point was about intervention in Rhodesia, not South Africa.
Rhodesia had more of a chance of continuing, because it wasn't quite Apartheid.
I'm not denying how lucky South Africa was in avoiding such a revolution either.
Look, can a guy just not, for once, fantasize about Rhodesia, South Africa and Israel banding together to form an axis fighting commies, kebabs and brits?
http://rhodesia.nl/Cheetah%20RLI%20Souvenir%20Oct1980.pdf
https://www.sofmag.com/mercenaries-fight-terrorists-in-the-bush-war/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel
>>74582694
http://www.southafricaproject.info/rhodesia_and_south_africa.html
>>74572148
Just let them die
Why would you make an intervention in our shit countries?
Let us out of our missery
>>74572148
Sure Mercenaries 2.
>>74581334
No, it's because we freed the Iraqis without demanding their oil in return. Just as stupid, but a different stupid thing.
The Iraqis, of course, sold their oil to China and Russia, and even refused to sell it to the US until we removed all our troops (which, even after we did so, they still wouldn't sell a drop to us).
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html
>Chile
>went evil capitalist free market during the same time as venezuala going socialist
>is now in the top ten riches countries in the world
>lowest rates of poverty under 10%
>is so rich that every citizen has a high salary and happy lives
>the most successful south american country despite having no oil
>every other shithole south american country wants to get into Chile
MAN WE SURE DO NEED MORE SOCIALISM! CAPITALISM IS EVILLLL!!!!!!
>>74586631
Chile sure is nice but holy fuck they're ugly as sin.
>>74587431
Yeah, Chile is proof that capitalism works. Whereas Venezuala is proof that socialism doesn't no matter how good you have it.
