>>74552994
she was absofuckinglutely right and atlas shrugged is the best book ever written, pol simply can't understand the concept of objective truth.
>>74552994
>Jew
opinion discarded
>>74553084
this is the inherent problem with racism
racism is only a suitable attitude towards RACES. the use of racism towards individuals is a transparent technique whereby one can avoid thinking and seeing what is true and what is not.
unsurprisingly this is the kind of idiot that would say something like that.
ayn rands detractors are not the brightest knives in the shed.
>>74552994
Ayn Rand was the queen of pseudointellectuals, a personal failure in just about every way, and a moral midget. She is the distillation of Jewishness and female-ness into one malignant person.
Oh. And her books should be classified as sedative drugs.
>>74553537
not an argument
>>74553631
The question was: "what do we think of Rand?" That was my answer. There was no argument to be made.
If the question had been...say..."Is public assistance theft from the productive?"--a position Alisa Rosenbaum (Ayn Rand) held--and I had said "Fuck Ayn Rand, that kike cunt," then you could fault me for not making an argument. But in this case, no.
So, suck Jew cock, goy.
>>74553856
>>implying that evaluations don't require to be justified in a forum of discussion
was it your plan to not be worthy of consideration?
>>74553078
Atlas shrugged was a pretty poor example of literature. It's bland ,uninteresting and god the straw maning is unreal.
There are more nuances in the characters in fucking Twilight ffs. It's written in the same romance for teenage or young adult women too.
Her essay are way shorter and better
>>74553995
you don't have the education or literary background to read it. it's not a fucking novel. it's myth. i bet you'd think the iliad or the odyssy was shit too because you don't give a fuck about someones mom remarrying, boooooring, amirite!?!?!?!
comparing atlast shrugged to fucking murders she wrote is totally asinine. the characters in atlas shrugged are representative of pure and idealized archetypes; the conflicts are drawn out moral debates; the entire book is essentially a philosophical manifesto written in the form of a human drama - superhuman; realize that 'john galt' is not comparable to 'bruce wayne' but rather to 'zeus' or 'odin'.
if you are fundamentally disinterested in philosopher it will offer nothing to you. but if you really want a unique book formed almost of the burning linguistic platonism that ancient epics only attempted and failed to achieve, there is only one book in human history of such power.
>>74554210
Okay. This shit is bait. Here's your (You).
Nobody with even a high school diploma (except for other Jews) takes Rand seriously as a philosopher.
Sage, hide, fuck in ass.
>>74554379
not an argument.
nobody really takes her seriously because she was absolutely right, and very very few people are interested in truth. most people attack the truth. a tiny 1% of people, less than that, want truth.
you don't want truth. you want to be popular.
>>74554379
Not an argument.
Well poisoner. Like Hitler with national socialism.
Now whenever you talk about free market economics, people think you want to kill babies and have Darwinian economies with survival of the richest.
>>74554676
that's not her fault.
"god damnit she was too correct, she should have toned down the being right thing, that way the wrong bad people wouldn't be so against her and everything she stood for!
if we just weren't quite so good, maybe bad people would stop being quite so bad"
warning, the following is not an argument: i fucking hate the character of the british and i hope the entire fucking island is exterminated and all brits are cowardly scum.
>>74554812
>Cowardly Scum
How many years late did you turn up to both world wars? How many other countries was England fighting when you decided to cowardly backstab us? How many muslims have you bombed from the air and with rockets from hundreds of miles away?
Pot,Kettle,Black.
>>74555242
nice deflection. your character today is what it is.
>How many years late did you turn up to both world wars?
A. we didn't have to show up to those wars at all. we essentially just did for fun. and we were both the bad guys anyways. hitler was the good guy. it was a shame for both of us.
>How many muslims have you bombed from the air and with rockets from hundreds of miles away?
B. not even close to enough. got me there. so long as a single muslim child is breathing, there's no reason munitions should not be in the air this very moment to incinerate him.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
>>74553631
neither is that kiddo
>>74555813
Simply ebin
>>74555862
YOU CAN'T SAY NOT AN ARGUMENT TO NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>74555813
tired old quote, is a vicarious opinion your idea of an argument?
get this, guys, here's a fucking argument: A=A. that's the basic point ayn rand tried to teach. and you still don't fucking get it. A=A. it's an axiom. do you know what that is? it's an idea that when you try to prove it wrong you have to use it in the argument against it making any arguments against it self defeating. that's an axiom. what the fuck are YOUR ideas of an axiom? put up or shutup.
>>74552994
Read Atlas Shrugged and Virtue of Selfishness.
Literally nothing wrong with her philosophy. I'm yet to encounter anyone who can rationally fault objectivism.
>>74556060
it's already been said numerous times in the thread dude: no one takes ayn rand seriously except for children (like you) and dipshit hacks like paul ryan. anyone who knows anything about philosophy dismisses her with a hearty laugh.
she's a pseudointellectual, which would explain why you like her so much.
>>74552994
Rand Paul is great
>>74556258
Not an argument
>>74556258
>Muh Jew
>Muh Fedora
Every argument against her ITT so far.
>>74556258
not an argument.
"no one does x y z therfore you shouldn't either"
only proves that you have the mind of a 14 year old girl who forms opinions by taking polls with her friends. it's a veiled threat (we'll stop liking you if you believe this) and an emotional appeal.
those who know truth are always the tiniest minority.
truth is never popular.
the most hated philosopher is the first one you should investigate. any philosopher taken seriously in todays schools can probably be safely dismissed as a pandering sophist cuck.
>>74556348
neither is that little buddy
>>74556454
not an argument is not supposed to be an argument. YOU have been put on the spot as spouting fallacy to support an idea without anything mentioned to support it. pointing out that you've been called out isn't enough. validate yourself or go home.
>>74552994
>Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum
>Russian Jew
Discard.
Manlet
>>74553084
This tbqh Pham.
>>74556544
"ayn rand is correct" isn't an argument. it's just an unsubstantiated opinion, just like my pointing out that taking her "philosophy" seriously makes you a child.
saying "not an argument" is hilariously ironic because not a single "argument" has been made in this thread.
you've been called out. go home.
>>74556745
ayn rand is correct that the purpose of morality is not to teach man to die and suffer, but to live and prosper. ayn rand is correct that morality = reason. ayn rand is correct that sacrifice is always wrong, because if it was 'right' it would just be a payment. ayn rand is correct that the enjoyment of life is the highest of values. ayn rand is correct that marxism and relativism are going to either kill us all or try to. ayn rand is correct that modern art is an expression of suicidal urges. ayn rand is correct that money should have remained gold. ayn rand is correct that a man should make his living through productivity, not violence. ayn rand is correct that those whom our society needs most are those whom our society hates most.
>>74552994
Ayyyn rand lmao is pretty based desu senpai.
>>74557113
But anon, don't you know that my Religous/Fascist/Communist morality that leads to mass death and misery every time is actually superior because reasons?
Clearly you're just an evil Zionist Nazi Degenerate fedora wearing highschooler bourgeoisie shill for encouraging people to be productive and happy.
>>74558226
thats the last straw
am now #shillery5artillery
Why does she make all her strong women total whores with no loyalty?
Fountainhead woman sleeps with 3 guys before the end of the book
Atlas Shrugged sleeps with 3 guys before the end of the book
The rest of the books are ok
>>74558399
she uses it as a vehicle for placing one man above the rest.
the female is depicted as the ultimate prize, as the 'one flower in a garden of weeds' with the notable exception of the 'dandelion between the cracks' that acts nobly and is outrageously harmed.
the 'one flower' passes like a torch from the great man, to the greater, to the greatest, exemplifying the scale of nobility in virtue.
none of the characters in any of her books are meant to be like 'real' people. they're gods. they're embodiment's of ideas. archetypal forces.
in atlas shrugged, dagny sleeps with D'Anconia when she is a teen. a young passion for a perfect aristocrat.
later in life she loves the adamantine man, the man who held the world aloft above his shoulders, the man whose eyes could forge a million miles of steel. that's her transition to adulthood - but still flawed.
finally she fell in love with the highest man, the man who saw truth perfectly, and knew that it was the consent of the victims that allowed evil to exist, and the man who went to the former man and said "drop your burden. let them die.".
the concept is a feminine perspective of the christ/messiah/dionysius/hanged god in the waters.
after all, she was a woman, and her perception of the truth and spirit of man would have taken the form of her developing admiration for higher and higher qualities of man through life.
saying that dagny was a 'whore with no loyality' is really missing the point entirely, even if it wasn't for the fact that she only had sex with 3 men total in her entire life and they were all truly good men and she never cheated... but the point is, her love went from the great, to the greater, to the greatest, and in doing so shows us what greatness really is in the narrative surrrounding it.
>>74558879
it shoudl be peripherally noted that ayn rands view of sex is that it's a reflection of a persons most honest desires, and in principle and theory, was of the opinion that people should be better people and not have sex lightly or casually. her personal life notwithstanding was one of several short passions and its not as though she was perfect herself, nobody is truly a god, i think we can only expect so much out of someone, especially as like... the one fucking female in all of history that had any ideas worth listening to. let alone BTFO'ing millenia of philosophers in one fell blow.
sometimes i think she was not human but some outside influence.
>>74559192
>welfare queen
She took no more government money than what she was forced to pay into it.
>>74552994
shes not snorting crank, having serial abortions, and taking govt $ anymore
so thats good
>>74552994
Ayn Rand was a Jewish welfare queen.
>>74559192
falsehoods. her books mostly presented the villains as jews and it was her power of attorney that applied for welfare - welfare being not at all against her principles.
>>74559275
she pointed out that the only people that deserve to use welfare are those who oppose welfare altogether, since those who support it are supporting wrongful theft, but those who are against it are wrongfully robbed and one has no duty to make a sacrifice of oneself - that if one can get a little back of what was taken, one should.
>>74559151
Lol nvidia, lol 1080? My 2+ year old radeon does 4k you even try?
>>74555813
yeah, a childish fantasy of people getting fed up of a system that steals from them and making a new one
you haven't read it, have you?
it's so funny when people have opinions on books they haven't even read
I don't agree with her on plenty but I'll be damned if she wasn't the most based jewish woman ever, the very mention of her name pisses off liberals.
>>74558879
She just abandoned her 'lovers' without even ending things, that's quite close to cheating, since they were still involved with her
There was nothing wrong with Hank
whatsherface in the fountainhead did the same thing, married 2 people while still romantically involved with the 'messiah'
and whats up with having the 'strongman' in her novels always have the intitials HR
Howard Rourke
Hank Rearden
>>74559508
>>74556258
>anyone who knows anything about philosophy dismisses her with a hearty laugh
omg, I'm now a cruzmissile
such a masterful argument, you didn't even have to refute anything, just flat out denigrate
>>74559781
Reading comprehension:0
>>74559779
pic related
>>74559865
sounds like a bunch of weak rationalizations to me anon, you really are a useful idiot
>>74559366
are you a moocher or a looter? or just an idiot who's happy paying for his own country's invasion?
>>74552994
https://youtu.be/t9UA9c_Xt_U?t=2897
49:11
>ITT: OP asks other posters their opinions of Rand and then proceeds to launch ad hominem attacks against said posters when they don't post something that conforms to his specific view
I love this board
>>74559779
ok, I'll give you that one
but is that the central premise of atlas shrugs? "capable tart shags 3 men in a row"?
>>74560080
THIS IS MY PERSONAL RAND HUGBOX SHITLORD GTFO
>>74559683
fucking video games?
we use interns to develop video game cards. video game cards are garbage that doesn't matter.
nvidia is the SOLE provider of GPU solutions for industrial, resource extraction, medical, chemical discovery, military, and aereospace engineering firms.
>>74559779
hank was flawed. as good as he was.
>>74559779
love isn't a contract that one can just end and that's that. if you love someone and then stop loving them or love someone else more, there is always going to be bloody shreds of muscle and tendon hanging off of everyone involved, that's just human, and again, the female was an athenian champion/torchbearer; she passed as a prize from one man to the man who defeated him. the female sorta represents shares of truthfullness; the hero in her stories is always the one who cares the most about the truth, and the truth is why the damsel winds up in his arms. it's highly moral.
as it should be. ayn rands conception of women is very much the ancient traditionalist view that she belongs to and owes loyalty to the man strong enough to rule her.
>>74559781
>>74559991
your ideas have already been dealt with and corrected, its not necessary that we repeat ourselves ad infinitum for your sake.
>Ayn Rand
>Rand Paul
I shat bricks.
>>74560080
Ever argument against Rand so far has been an ad hominem
>Muh jew
>Muh Welfare queen
>Muh women r dumb lol
Maybe if you gave us something substantive we could argue against it.
>>74552994
Nasty woman, nobody likes her. Very, very nasty woman.
>>74560133
the central premise is that truth is life. and the wages of sin are death. and that man should be happy, and that ignorance is not bliss, and that the happiest man is the most truthful man.
the book is the most important book ever written because like a bullet hitting a gong it screamed to the world -
TO BE GOOD
IS TO BE HAPPY
>>74560133
The rest of the books were fine, but I don't see why she'd make her strong wimmin such utter WHORES
>>74553291
i like you. here, have a (you) on the house senpai *wink*
>>74559781
Pro-tip
this is a bullshit agument. It was brought up while she was still alive. She laughed in the reoprters face and said that as she was taxed on her income - at a very high rate - to create and fund these programs she would bloody-well use them. She paid from them, and might as well get some of that money back.
>>74560495
t-thanks i t-think, g-greatest ally
>>74560255
kek, the moochers and looters sure don't
>>74560314
>the central premise is that truth is life. and the wages of sin are death. and that man should be happy, and that ignorance is not bliss, and that the happiest man is the most truthful man.
I think the premise was that mooching and looting are bad, that's what I got from it anywy
>>74560487
ok, so that's a valid criticism, along with it being pretty long-winded
now explain why every thread about her we get so much vitriol, almost entrirely from people who have never read her
>>74560560
plenty of meat on those other bones you rand faggots are glossing over
yall are just as disingenuous and full of shit as she is
just change it from objectivism to rationalizationism and you will at least be honest with yourselves
>>74560007
Hi there Paki.
>>74560255
She was a visionary. She accurately predicted the world we are now living in.
On par with Orwell and Huxley, but everyone thinks SHE is the evil bitch. Why is that?
What makes Atlas Shrugged so great is that you can always tell who's never read it and who has. And boy is it ever funny/sad to see just how many people have never read it.
>>74560675
mooching and looting are bad for a reason.
that being it's suicidal.
things are good and bad for specific reasons. the ultimate standard is mans life and health and happiness. 'the good'.
truth is life and happiness. mooching and looting is death and sorrow.
>>74560768
i have literally never seen anyone with an argument against ayn rand that doesn't get BTFO instantly. and this isn't even an argument.
here's based granny rand on a TV interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAFKnfN4bfk
>>74560845
her predictions were eerily accurate, she was only really wrong on exactly how long it would take - atlas was stronger and more stubborn than she thought.
>>74552994
>Bitch
>Jew
>Red-pilled about communism.
>>74560950
>atlas was stronger and more stubborn than she thought
Amen
>>74553078
aww reddit's linguistics tutor hopped on the bandwagon too
yourself, kill
>>74560950
>things are good and bad for specific reasons. the ultimate standard is mans life and health and happiness. 'the good'.
>
>truth is life and happiness. mooching and looting is death and sorrow.
I'd have to disagree with that, looting can make people happy
>her predictions were eerily accurate
that was the most shocking thing, she wrote it over 50 years ago, and it could have been written yesterday
>>74560188
What was wrong with Hank?
She just saw Galt and fell in love with him because he invented a free energy machine and had a man cave, no other reason
She still opposed going 'Galt' for the entire novel, so she had more in common with Hank, or maybe she didn't like that Hank still lived with his mum hahaha
She had very little loyalty, easily falls in love with whatever floats by
A tart is a tart
>>74561185
>Muh hostility towards people based on bullshit "groups" there a part of
Yep, its the collectivist mindset
>>74561193
Yep. So what, she was free - and did what made her happy.
I see Trump as Hank, but instead of just passively getting jerked-around by the system, he said "Fuck me? no buddy, Fuck you!"
and became president.
>>74561193
And then there's the fountainhead woman who asks Peter Keating to marry her after being distant to him for the whole novel,
then accepts a marriage invitation from Gale Wynen on a whym
Then ends up with Howard Rourke, who she was romantically involved with from the beginning
Infidelity seems to be Ayn Rand's fetish
>>74561189
if you think that looting can make people happy, then go right ahead.
>>74561193
i don't think you're really thinking at the right level here. everything in her books are a symbol. its not a soap opera.
hanks flaw was that instead of looking for truth - he substituted his own strength and toil. he chose to take it out on himself as a sacrifice rather than look at the truth. it was noble. but it was wrong.
i think you should read it again with an open mind and fresh outlook. she was against galt all along because galt knew the truth just beyond the truth that she knew - namely - that all her struggles were feeding the evil.
two things to end with; "all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." there is a surface and more deep understanding of this. superficially one might say that man must act or evil wins. but that would assume evil has the same goals as good. it does not. the goal of evil is self destruction. so, all man has to do to destroy evil, is nothing at all; evil, being unable to create, relies on the good in order to exist.
in light of that...
D'Anconia said to hank...
“If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?"
"I…don't know. What…could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug.”
>>74559366
>>74560833
Dubs says Ayn 'Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum' Rand was the worst writer ever.
>>74561614
You are Swedish and therefore wrong.
Great argument right?
>>74561467
yeah trump is pretty much hank rearden if hank rearden did real estate instead and knew what galt knew and had the balls of ragnar and decided to just fucking pick this world up and drop it on the looters and moochers heads.
donald trump is ayn rands dream come true. no fiction could have predicted something so glorious as trump.
>>74561467
She's a whore with shallow values, and that's degenerate
Some spooky shit going on in here
>>74561747
>>74561582
>>74561193
>>74560487
>>74559779
>>74558399
you're a shitposter with the most based and degenerate mentality possible upon whom all metaphor or nuance is entirely lost and i don't like the motivations you seem to have, are you being paid to do this?
>>74561873
this is retarded and self contradicting.
its in your self interest to do what your boss says and respect others rights.
if your idea of self interest is literally robbing and killing then i encourage you to live your dream to fullest so we can shoot you like a nigger.
>>74561873
>Implying living in some Anarcho Communists commune with a bunch of Nihilist edgelords is in anyone's self interest.
>>74561729
I agree. If Atlas refuses to set down his burden, lift it from his shoulders and let it go.
>>74552994
She didn't understand human beings
>>74561873
Live for yourself first, then live for whom you choose to live for, and respect the rightful liberty of others.
not so hard to understand.
>>74561601
I understand all that
But Dagney should not have ended up with Galt when she didn't share his perspective, she didn't try to stay at his mancave, didn't try to join his resistance group, she tried to save her railway til the very end like Hank
Dagney and Hank were the most alike, she helped destroy Hank's old marriage and then basically threw Hank away for Galt
Dagney was more attracted to his free energy device than anything he had to offer, just another easy whoar :P
>>74556443
>the most hated philosopher is the first one you should investigate
i think the ignored ones can be more interesting. the most dangerous works of the 20th century are universally ignored. they contain the world's most dangerous ideas (enough to give an academic philosopher a seizure). there is an anti-memetic effect that prevents the spread of those ideas. (analogous to Monty Python's World's Most Dangerous Joke that nobody lives to retell) if you're adventurous, seek them out.
one or two of Ayn Rand's ideas hint at something dangerous, but only enough to arouse hostility. they're not nearly dangerous enough to be ignored
>>74562162
What is so shocking about a woman basically acting like any man?
>>74561876
Yes, I'm paid to argue about the relationship ethics in Rand's novels
You are defending fictitious whores, who's the degenerate here?
>>74562162
dagny was just a little dumber than galt. galt finally enlightened her. you need to read through it more slowly.
dagny tried to save her railroad until the very end because of how truly good she was. because her bones screamed at her, create! thrive! prosper! build! solve problems! but it was shortsighted - galt was the man who was wise enough to create the machine that could power the world - and destroy it rather than let it fall into the hands of mooters and loochers.
galt was the representative of the highest attainment possible for man. dagny was the representative of the prize of right action. its merely mathematical morality that she belonged to galt.
wait
>>checks flag
>>shrugs
>>74561601
>if you think that looting can make people happy, then go right ahead.
my point is that it might make the looters happy, even if only temporarily. just like drugs can make you temporarily happy, despite being bad for you long term. also truth does not always bring happiness
>>74561876
he's part of AIDS - Australian Internet Department of Shitposting
>>74562036
this is the bit I didn't quite get, why not overthrow the moochers and looters? why seek to destroy society altogether?
>>74561974
>and respect the rightful liberty of others.
>>>>"""""others"""""
You mean my property?
>>74562315
So you're saying being a whore is fine
>>74562561
having meaningful and powerful relationships with 3 men in the life of an aristocratic woman does not a whore make
dagny taggart was more virtuous than any nun
>>74552994
Butt-ugly butthurt jewess who lashed out at the loss of her dad's fortune by convincing humans that they are not social organisms.
A jew.
>>74562388
Yep, and that should have made Hank her perfect fit, she really has nothing else to like about Galt than his free energy device which she obsessed over
No different than your gf/wife leaving your for some random guy who just drove by in a ferrari 5mins ago, "it's ok, it makes her happy" you say :P
Hank and DanConio were the best characters and dagney left them behind for the pervy stalker who watched her for 10 years from under the metal grating at the station
There's not much to like about dagney, not waifu material at all, they should have all thrown her out
>OP here
Holy shit this thread blew up fast
>>74562287
Name some of these books
>>74552994
I still prefer smoking pot and watch movies alone rather than hanging out with a stupid.
>>74552994
Stupid girl who died suckling on the welfare tit.
>>74562875
you're welcome i did all the work.
>>74562413
>this is the bit I didn't quite get, why not overthrow the moochers and looters? why seek to destroy society altogether?
System capture. He believed to the very end that government, the system, for all its obvious flaws was better than life with out that sort of system.
That "rightful" government was necessary among people to preserve order and society.
Never occurred to him that that the system was the root of the problem.
>>74562691
A whore has no loyalty, and neither does dagney
Poor Hank!
>>74562919
The Ego and His Own
The only one who ever responded to it was Marx throwing a 500-page long ad hominem temper tantrum which he never published.
He is ignored because noone can refute his ideas. So they rather pretend he doesn't exist.
>>74562768
>implying that the violation of her dad's property was justified
>defending communism and coercion
>>74563016
Oh thank you :D
>>74552994
Extreme right loon.
>>74563516
Family got BTFO by commies - slag her because she has strong opinions about commies.
THAT JEW BITCH. fuck her, amirite?
>>74560188
>we use interns to develop video game cards. video game cards are garbage that doesn't matter.
That's why AMD ate all your console lunch money huehuehuehue
Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo ALL USING AMD!!!
>>74564138
you realize AMD is owned by NVIDIA right
we pay for them to keep existing so we don't get called a monopoly.
>>74552994
Considering how triggered leftists get at any mention of her, I guess she's alright.
>>74554210
>>74560560
So she isn't on welfare because she paid into it. Genius.
>>74565010
whoosh
she IS on welfare because she PAID INTO IT but DID NOT WANT TO
if a thief accidentally drops one of the coins he stole from you while fleeing, you pick it up, don't you?
>>74565255
>PAID INTO IT but DID NOT WANT TO
This is the point, all of it, right here, edgelord
>>74565453
if someone robs you you have the right to recompense. the only people who don't deserve that welfare are those who asked for it and wanted it.
>>74564325
AMD shot themself in the foot by putting a woman in charge
>>74552994
Personally, I like Rand. She tried to apply Aristotlean logic to modern civilization, attempting to update Aristotle's ancient writings for a modern setting, with all the new information we have gained since he lived.
Beyond that, her novels are romantic epics, with idealized heroes which attempt to convey a philosophy through those stories (not unlike Friedrich Nietzsche's, Thus Spoke Zarathustra).
She had many personal failings, not unlike the vast majority of philosophers, but her ideas are worthy of study and have some merit.
I particularly enjoy how much she triggers socialists and neocons. The fact that they react in a similar way to her as they do toward Trump speaks volumes imo.
>>74565599
nigger
>>74565010
Let me sum it up.
Tax me? Then offer me the service you taxed me for? Why can't I keep the money to begin with, and deal with life myself?
Because we are the government and are here to help you.
Ok, fuck it, give it back to me then minus your fucking cut. Best I'm going to get out of you, might as well take it, because if i didnt give you the cash in the first place you would throw me in jail. Oh, and roads and shit.
>>74565570
>asked for it and wanted it.
while doing nothing for themselves. i.e. Hanks family. Looters, Moochers, ect.
