I need to know the absolute truth. Tired of people saying whites commit genocide
>>74503847
eternal burger committed genocide.
Meant this meme
>Whites come along
>take some land
>get attacked by injuns
>take more land
>get attacked by injuns
>buy even more land off of the injuns
>get attacked by injuns
>have enough
Custerface.jpg
try reading some primary sources
they were stone age savages who had barely discovered agriculture
they didnt even have the wheel yet
Savages that were conquered, nothing more
there's a video somewhere of bleeding heart commie jew fuck howard zinn acknowledging that 9 out of 10 indigenous deaths after contact were due to infectious diseases
>>74503967
Read Scalp Dance
All you need to know about Canadian Aboriginals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MrVThNykqE
Also;
>Natives
They don't call each other that so why should you? Call them Indians, Aboriginals, First Nations or Dene
>>74503847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1y_0NfhF9c
>>74503847
We dindu nuffin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPrhfPGEnlg
>>74505013
Small pox was their Zyklon B.
Now all they do is smoke meth and get drunk off Listerine while molesting their kids.
>>74503847
We are all part of a complex biosphere, the human animal is included. Occasionally a group of animals will kill or overtake another group from the same species. The stronger group will survive.
>>74503847
The absolute truth for this one is actually the one pushed the most: European colonialists really did genocide the natives, unintentionally at first and then outright on purpose.
The unintentional part was the plague introduced by Spanish explorers. The native population was much higher than what the English etc. colonialists saw when they made permanent settlements in the following centuries, but by how much we don't exactly know. Apparently it was enough to have numerous moderate-sized towns and cities along the Mississippi made of mud and wood (Cahokia in particular had "pyramids" very similar to those built by the Mesoamerican natives further south, but out of soil and wood, nothing ultra-spectacular but still more advanced than what they'd become post-plague i.e. teepee central). Obviously the Europeans can't be held culpable for that because it was beyond their control.
But post-settlement on the landmass, there was a constant back-and-forth of war between the natives and the colonialists. Obviously it wasn't this one-sided thing where the white man started everything and was pure evil, but it still happened, and it still ultimately resulted in the still-fairly-young United States embarking on a massive crusade in the south and hinterlands, systematically rounding up, exterminating and forcing out a lot of fucking natives.
Where you fall on the morality of this will be up to the individual, but that's the history of what happened.
>>74505184
Based
>>74503847
Well 2/3 were wiped by disease, not really europeans fault.
A good bit of the rest were murdered and bred out.
Now the native american population is back at pre columbian levels.
Now they only have to worry about dieing of old age and diabetes. As opposed to 50%+ infant mortality and deadly infections caused by in grown nut hairs.
>>74503967
How did unchecked immigration work out for you guys?
The whole red pill.
'Native' Americans aren't really native. They came over the Siberian-Alaska ice bridge during the last ice age. DNA shows they are mutated asians.
DNA and archeological evidence shows there were several peoples already in the Americas when they got there, which were killed off by these arriving mutated asians who are now known as 'Native' Americans.
Later European explorers brought smallpox with them in the 1400-1500s. This killed off 70-90% of Indians for the next 100 years or so.
By the time the first settlers started arriving 100 years later, there was literally 'nobody home'.
Remember, the settlers to the 'new world' were refugees who were fleeing death and tortures of the Reformation. The 'religious persecution' that forced them to flee their homes and opt for living in the wilderness halfway around the world, was brutal and part of historical record.
Once arrived, things went pretty good with the settlers/refugees and 'native' Americans/Indians. That is, up until the French and Indian war, where France got the Indians to start killing the English, Ulster Scots and German settlers in number. It was the French who paid for white scalps to prove Indians had killed settlers, and they traded them guns for scalps.
Once the Indians started killing settlers, then there was ample retaliation which never abated. They weren't going to win that, especially when the French lost and they lost backing from the French for killing settlers.
>>74504723
The Comanche would cut off rivals eyelids and stick em face down in an ant hill.
>>74503847
Disease killed most of them but being actively targeted and genocided for their race was a thing that happened. Even to ones that tried to maintain peaceful relations/assimilate peacefully. There are too many instances to count where their treatment could've been better by "civilized" peoples
There were a lot more native groups in the Americas but they were quickly killed off by smallpox. The remaining ones were the brutes. They had some dope shit tho especially in mesoamerica and Peru, pretty based but degenerate race mixing Spaniards with a boner for gold and qt native bitches fucked it up. Cortez was to be sentanced to prison for being a murderous degenerate but escaped his captors and fled back to Tenochtitlan. What a fucking cunt.
t. Chicano
>>74508062
Who's cortez, vato?
>>74508062
Protip: they were all like that.
It's just anglo faggots were all dude we're totally a religion of peace BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT JESUS!
It's funny because /pol/'s no better than the shitskins they claim to hate so much,
>>74503847
They could not assimilate. Just like mooooOOOOzlims. Resistance is futile.
>>74504890
Very similar to the microbes Obama and repubes are exposing us to. TB, yellow fever, zika, plague, and their presence.
My father is Native American, I don't truly believe we own America, there was a lot of unused land in the past and it could've easily be seen as open space for a European colony, we both fought over the land and we lost, what's done is done there is nothing to be mad about, it worked out all for the best
Personally believe in the noble Savage view of the native American people, yes we were cruel and sadistic a good hit of the time, much like the Scandinavian vikings
>go to visit paiute reservation because cheap everything and it's close enough
>go there
>walk into into general store
>try to buy blankets and whiskey
>chased out while dodging tomahawk throws
>>74503847
Stop calling everything a meme you retarded faggot.
>>74503847
America was whitemans clay...they just did not know it.
topkek at the germ warfare with the blankets the stupid cucks
>>74503847
the proto europeans were here first
>>74510862
Based
>>74503847
We did though. It's whatever; they get casinos and free college and get to live here.
Westerners won't get any of that when Islam takes over.
Ermmm they didn't understand property rights according to liberals, but they also stole from each other and took revenge for the thefts, so they obviously had some conception of ownership.
They weren't very nice to each other so it's not like white people introduced them to warfare.
They weren't systematically genocided until the relocation acts, but by that time most of them had been killed accidentally from disease, and the smallpox blankets thing is probably a myth because people didn't know how diseases were communicated until WW1 I believe.
So ultimately they were treated wrong because whites came in, bought some of their shit, and killed them when they wouldn't voluntarily give it up. A lot of misconceptions around this topic, because for a white perso to admit that what the settlers did was wrong would be like admitting they have no right to be in this country, and that is something no one has ever claimed (for themselves) in all of recorded history.
Not a black and white, good vs evil topic. Asshole, violent, infanticidal savage indians were wiped out by money hungry technologically advanced palefaces because that was the thing Europeans were doing back then, with little regard to the personhood of darker races.
>>74511392
Kek
>>74511331
Who?
>>74511701
solutreans
look it up
>>74506470
nope
nah not fucking true, get back to europe cave beast
>>74505600
The Indians canceled Soul Train?
>>74503847
Literal savages that fought other tribes constantly. Lacrosse was a sport based on native sport, but they used heads instead
Some attacked whites as soon as they saw them land on east coast, others saw them as gods
Some saw them as enemies, others used whites to help destroy their enemies
They were too stupid to adapt to white culture
The only thing they liked about the white man were horses and guns and eventually alcohol
Wounded knee was a dick move but they had it coming for being shitheads and getting in the way
>>74503847
>Watching a show called "Colonial House."
>Bunch of people try to recreate the living conditions of the pilgrims and live that way.
>It's hard as fuck but people are pulling through.
>They introduce some natives in the way they might have met them.
>I shit you not the fucking Indians sneak into the camp and kill some chickens for fun and steal some shit.
>Then their tribal leader (a woman no less) has the fucking gall to accuse the white people of stealing and being animals.
Indians themselves are a meme.
>>74503847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlDNrHGUoOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0dOD6bWv8A
Some genocides are justified. Just ask the Levantine Jahweh god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek#Extermination_of_the_Amalekites
>>74512396
Tbf that is far more realistic than the way they are portrayed on most shows.
>>74512832
It was a YouTube series funded by Catholics I think (or Protestants). It went fucking downhill fast. About halfway through someone came out as gay and an atheist chick decided she wasn't going to church anymore, despite them being told it was part of the living conditions and they'd be sent to the stocks.
Then they whined the whole show about how unfair it is. Most of the people congratulated the guy coming out, except the leader.
He said (paraphrasing): "I'm not congratulating you. It's a sin. You know I think it's a sin."
>>74503967
This meme is easy to refute. There was no nation, no borders, and no laws back then. Just a bunch of nomadic savages. We didn't "immigrate" to America.
>>74503847
My favorite myth is the whole "smallpox blankets" thing.
Apparently we knew that microscopic smallpox spores stuck in blankets and spread through this sort of transmission, even though we didn't yet have germ theory.
The relations between natives and European colonial powers:
1. Vary by nation
2. Very rarely involved outright genocide
3. Often were very friendly between
Talking about a historical event in these amazingly huge swathes is just fucking retarded and inaccurate. It's so much more complicated than 'the europeans genocided the natives'.
In north america in particular, the relations between the colonists and natives were often very warm. The old story about Manhattan being traded away for a handful of beads is circulated around so often, but what isn't understood is that the giving of a gift is a ceremony of tribute. The indians knew exactly what they were doing - they inviting the Dutchmen in to settle on purpose because they had amazing goods they'd never seen or imagined before and all they had to do to get them was trade them some beaver pelts????!? Fucking amazing deal, and they had muskets and cannons to protect them to boot. Different tribes aligned themselves with different european powers to further their own gains, and often played the europeans against each other for their own benefit. The story of 'the white man coming to take our stuff' is a fucking meme. It's just the butthurt of the western plains tribes seeping into the culture because they were the last of the conquests and being projected onto the narrative of the entire colonization of the new world.
>>74513270
By the way they slaughtered colonists wholesale all the time. 'Scalping' didn't come from nowhere - they'd skin women and children alive in front of the fathers before their throats were slit. Now in fairness what we did here in Connecticut was pretty much genocide - the Pequot started raiding our settlements and we responded by raising a militia, marching to their walled village, locking the entrances, and burning the entire thing down while their army was away. Then the army was caught, captured, and sold into slavery. The Pequot brought it on themselves though, they were aggressive cunts to everybody.
>>74505184
I was looking specifically for this clip. Thanks anon
>>74513306
Well, if they wanted to be honest...
>Indians enslave, kill, and steal Indian land.
>Whites just did it better.
Hell, Indians don't even like other tribes.
>>74503847
there was a war. it was a very long one. the plains indians actually were winning at first, and paid absolutely not attention to the treaties that they signed. in the end, they lost. whitey never forgot how the indians behaved and what they did to settlers they got their hands on. reddy teddy was made to eat shit. fast forwards to today, waaaaah. waaaaaaaaaah. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
the end.
>>74504723
What does the presence or absence of agriculture have to do with it?
>>74511122
Can you redpill me on the Stop calling everything a meme, meme? What do I need to know about it's real meaning?
>>74505013
The Solutrean hypothesis is far from confirmed. It's largely rejected.
>>74503847
What's incorrect about saying that whites committed genocide against the native Americans is that it oversimplifies a complicated period of history. What actually happened was that many different groups of whites committed many different acts of genocide against many different groups of native Americans.
I certainly won't apologize for it, though. The Indians weren't innocent, and it was a harsher time in history. Pretty much everyone knew what they were getting into: war between different civilizations is inherently genocidal.
>>74513686
They were going to die out on their own eventually. It was a matter of time before a bird decided to bring the flu over. Whites just happened to be the carrier when it finally did happen.
Why?
Because they stagnated. Life that stagnates on Earth tends to go extinct.
>>74513797
>war between different civilizations is inherently genocidal.
To even call it that is complete and just feeds the leftist narrative. There was no war between the civilizations. The natives could have united at any time and driven the white men out at any point until probably the 18th century in north america, but there was zero political willpower because they'd rather trade pelts for firearms and whiskey instead.
>>74513989
complete bullshit* lol
>>74503847
threadly reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f82d7-SVzCw
>>74504890
>le ebin bleeding heart communist Jew meme
Zinn isn't exactly a balanced source, but I wouldn't go that far. He brought up a lot of little-known crimes.
The wars declared on the Indians in the last couple centuries often amounted to genocide though. Some of it continued in South America until the late 20th century.
>>74514070
ah what a fucking jew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1y_0NfhF9c
>>74514099
How is it genocide when the US explicitly took measures to create reservations to preserve the culture afterwards? Doesn't genocide by definition have to intend to destroy a culture or people?
>>74503847
We didn't commit genocide. We conquered their land and they failed to defend it. End of story. If we committed genocide then they wouldn't have their cozy little reservations to live on. We didn't have to give them the land we took.
>>74514223
This guy gets it
>>74506313
Ingrown hair infections don't always kill you unless it's a very nasty pathogen like MRSA or Streptococcus or tetanus. Not to mention that Amerindian races don't have much body hair at all.
>>74503847
Well the Europeans and by European I mean the Spanish and by the Spanish I mean those with an Iberian Peninsula tan came here and killed millions of Natives with their smallpox and herpes.
>>74503967
>We were here first fuck off back to Europe!
>We were here first fuck off back to the middle east!
>We were here first fuck off back to Africa!
>We were here first fuck off back to Pangea!
>We were here first fuck off back to the ocean!
>We were here first fuck off back to the sea floor!
>We were here first fuck off back to space!
>We were here first fuck off back to the center of the universe
>We were here first fuck off back to the big bang
>Fuck off we didn't exist first!
Yeah because playing the "We wuz dere furst" game totally works out for everyone.
>>74513306
And now we let them run casinos.
>>74514748
Fine by me, they provide a living for half of southeastern Connecticut. The relationship continues 400 years later.
>>74503847
The American genocide was overwhelmingly unintentional and different in every respect from deliberate genocidal policies elsewhere, such as how Natives treated their war captures.
Yeah, they genocides the hell out of indians. That was a point in time when it was what you did when you had power. If you didn't kill or enslave your neighbors was that they were too powerful.
Over time war, violence, and genocide became less acceptable that people didn't write songs in praise of it.
You are looking at events outside of their time frame. It isn't pleasant to think about our ancestors as murders or slaves but that is what they were if you go back enough.
![hotel_high[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PeELVka.jpg "hotel_high[1].jpg")
>>74514748
>>74514830
Mohegan Sun is a fucking eyesore though.
>ooh natives so in touch with the land
look at that fucking thing. tasteless idiots.
>INNOCENT NATIVES GET SLAUGHTERED AFTER TEACHING THE WHITE MAN HOW TO READ AND WRITE
YOUR WAR CRIMES WILL GO UNRECOGNIZED FOR NO LONGER
>BEADY
>"AMERICAN"
>EYES
>>74503847
what? They did. Whites did commit Genocide on the Indians.
The problem is you. You are the one thinking that is a bad thing. It's not.
Fuck off, lefty.
>>74511880
Most natives were killed by disease. Disease is a bitch it killed 1/3 of Europeans in the plague just before colonization began.
Natives got wrecked by the Europeans for sure. But if you factor in south america, native populations are at above pre-columbian levels.
Where would the natives be now if the west had vanished? Not better off.
>>74515003
>>74515162
Fucking idiots, pick up a goddamn history book. You're perpetuating a myth out of sheer edginess.
>>74503847
>literally only one time on record where infected blankets were purposely given to an Injun tribe
>this was done by another Injun tribe
>>74515036
>So in touch with the land
I fucking hate this meme so much.
Ever been on a reservation where these fucks live? It's like being on the set where they stage starving kids in africa photos.
>>74503847
Ass backwards natives did not know how to use their land to its full potential so had to be BTFO'd.
So fucking what if early Americans genocided native Americans. What good does it do to give even the slightest fuck about it now?
>>74503967
Those 'native' American's werent the first people in America. There are small tribes of mountain people in the Navajo lands alone that were there long before the AIs came down through Canada. NAIs has 0 more claim to the land than current yanks. It is a bullshit meme
>>74515309
>Fucking idiots, pick up a goddamn history book. You're perpetuating a myth out of sheer edginess.
Ehhh disease played a major role but we really drive them off their land.
Their point still remains. "Right and wrong" are superstitious concepts for religitards and people who practice slave morality.
We needed the land. We took it. We won. They lost. Might makes right. To the victor goes the spoils.
>>74515448
Some of the reservations are literally deserts though, they would need a LOT of infrastructure to work well.
We did genocide them, and you better be fucking proud of it.
We are conquerors.
>>74516995
There's a lot of amazing land they don't put to use besides being tourists attractions or getting drunk.
They're glorified park rangers anyway.
>>74516995
The reservations were intentionally made on shitty land because we wanted the good land.
We lost. That's it. I don't care about what happened to my tribe back then. I and no modern white American had anything to do with it.
>>74517146
Well they tried to do that but the government half of their 2 million heads cattle in fear of new dust bowls.
>>74517353
I kinda feel bad about them, whether or not they tried something they have literally zero future unless people took pity on their sorry state.
>>74517499
>*but the government took half of their 2 million heads cattle
And that was only on AZ.
>>74517353
I wonder if the muslims are going to do the same thing to Germans, Dutch, and French.
>>74517499
They're all free to walk off the reservation and join in though.
>>74517627
That will ALSO doom their race because they'll finish assimilating and recemix with whites. It's a lose/lose situation.
>>74517627
My family did and we haven't looked back
:^)
>>74509603
>they
No, you.
>>74510862
Nice taqiyya
>>74503847
Natives didn't eat citrus
Natives get sick and die
Natives hoarding fruit cry for rest of history
>>74517755
Has your family managed to remain "pure"? Still know anything about your tribe?
america belongs to the giants
>>74503847
Ssuushhh they will always find reasons to make white be the winner and the rightest. Whites never wrong ! Even if they murder a whole country, they'd still be right and they'll always find a way to make people feel bad about not supporting them. Based white americans. Without the jews they would never be the greatest country in the world.
>>74517499
Cattle farming isn't the only useful thing in the world.
>>74503847
They did, but it's no more remarkable and arguably A LOT more humane than the conquests of other expansionist empires throughout human history. They lost, we won, the story told a million times since the beginning of human civilization.
>>74517983
Both of my parents are half native. I'm half. I know a good amount. I know some phrases in the language and I go to the reservation to hang with family alot
>>74518000
I wonder how big their penises were
>>74518035
It's excellent sustenance though, you have to remember that reservations are technically different countries, and every country needs production of food.
>>74518080
"natives" is a very general term when there were hundreds of different tribes, which reservation they came from?
>>74506470
dat American Indian R1b
>>74518254
L'Anse Indian Reservation
>>74503967
Shiny beads
>>74518416
Very interesting, I will give a look.
>>74503847
vini vidi vici.
If they were so great how come every reservation is a shithole despite them getting more handouts from the government than any other group
>>74519103
Most of them died thanks to diseases though.
>>74503847
Basically in all reaches of the world, from Africa, to Australia, to India, to the Americas you had indigenous people living in horrific, miserable poverty. Primitive chest beating societies with no technology, no writing system of consequence, and barbaric cultural customs.
Customs including ritualistic sacrifice of children, cannibalism, and mutilation. Most of these primitive tribes were locked in a state of perpetual warfare with their neighbors.
Now consider, Europe used to be the same way. When the Romans looked out at Europe, they didn't see the glowing lights of cities, they saw barbarism, and savage animals in the shape of men. They sought to expand their influence by pushing back against the savage hordes, and carving out one of the most magnificent empires in history. Spreading Roman law, ideas and traditions all across Europe and ushering it into the Middle Ages.
If no empire ever expanded and just remained confined to the it's original geography, the world would never advance. In nature it is not just the right, but the DUTY of the strong to kill off the weak. This is how the bloodline improves long term. Similarly, it was the right and indeed the duty of the strong nations to expand their influence upon the world stage.
These savage cultures were hell on Earth. The people who lived in them were savages. If they had the tech advantage, they would have done the same thing we did to them. You should feel no sympathy for them.
Just look at what we did with this land. Look at what we built here, and how we've helped drive humanity into a new age. We did this. And for this to happen, they had to go. It's sad, but that's life.
To point to every single death and claim it's an atrocity is to lose your perspective on the grand scheme of history. Without death, how can there be new life?
>>74519305
and we got rid of the rest. I mean really. people are too quick to put modern perspectives on historical shit.
we just saw a bunch of dumb savages and kicked them out because thats what we did. period.
>>74519656
And I am just saying that's not a big feat or something to be proud of
>>74519231
/thread
>>74503847
>>74503959
not gonna lie, we kind of commit genocide. natives are somewhat justified in their anger.
>>74515003
Couching it in terms of individual conflicts doesn't help. The Aztecs and other South Americans were enslaved, not genocided. They cooperated.
The North American Indians didn't have the same power structures and less prone to slavery. So we just took their land until they were all in reservations. Killed the ones that fought back.
I know we like to put wars in terms of aggrieved parties but in the end it is winners and losers.
>>74503847
some native american tribes took slaves of other natives in rival tribes
if the slave ran away they would chop of their foot to prevent them from escaping
thats if they didn't kill the rival tribe member buy opening up his belly and pulling out his guts hollering at the moon
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
>but anon they were all spiritual and loved growing corn and shit
>>74503847
Savage bastards sided with the Brits during the Revolution in exchange for silver and firearms. They blew any chance of peace by choosing the wrong side... They got what was coming to them.
![66811966[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nVqus44.jpg "66811966[1].jpg")
>>74503847
Technically true because Zyklon Ben committed the genocide and he's a white man. He fashioned a time machine and welded the parts together in the fires of his hatred for the mongrel races. He managed to kill about ninety percent of them with his bare hands, but he ran out of time and was forced to return to the future to stop the Ferguson riots.
>>74513171
Exactly. Without borders, there is no country.
>>74503847
whopped scalps off whites and we killed them all by germs and hate before we knew we weren't supposed too. that's literally it
din du nuffin
