I've never seen this discussed here before. ITT: share your opinion on the 'gay germ' hypothesis.
Gregory Cochran, physicist and adjunct professor at the university of Utah has developed the hypothesis that homosexuality is caused by a pathogen [1] - either a virus or a bacterium. There are several good reasons to believe this may be the case.
- The low hereditability of homosexuality (0.22) [2]
- The absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations
- The relatively high frequency of homosexuality (~4% in the west)
- The lack of any plausible evolutionary explanation.
In short, a lack of sexual interest by males in females would be an evolutionary penalty. If it were caused by a 'gay gene', the trait would have been selected out long ago because of a lack of reproductive fitness. Also, the frequency is too high to be caused by a mutation.
There are various examples of infectious agents altering behavior: [3]
- Rabies causes dogs to be more aggressive in the final stage of the disease.
- Influenza causes humans to be more social in the days prior to the noticeable effects.
- Toxoplasma causes rats to be (sexually) attracted to cat urine.
There are many more examples of behavior-altering agents (mostly viruses). This leads us to the conclusion that a pathogen changing sexual orientation is far from impossible. It would explain the frequency in western population and the absence in hunter-gatherers.
Furthermore, there is the interesting phenomenon of homophobia. Homophobia isn't an actual phobia, but an aversion of gays. Interestingly, homophobia actually is heritable, much more so than homosexuality (around 0.5) [4]. If it is heritable, what purpose does it serve? In particular, what purpose does it serve if homosexuality is caused by a pathogen?
(cont.)
Research has been done on the nature of homophobia, and this research has found that it exists strongest with regard to homosexuals' contact with children. A subjective 'degree of discomfort' was found much higher when confronted with a scenario of gay people who hold a profession that involved contact with children (such as pediatrician or teacher) than with gay people who were e.g. lawyers or construction workers. A second study showed that for different types of medical doctors, a high degree of contact with children (e.g. child psychiatrist) induced more discomfort than an invasive procedure (e.g. brain surgeon) but only for gay doctors. Two more studies clearly suggested that homophobia is aimed at preventing children, particularly younger children, from being exposed to homosexuals. [5]
What if homophobia is aimed at preventing the spread of the pathogen that causes homosexuality?
Cochran asserts that it’s not likely that the pathogen is spread by homosexual sex. How the putative pathogen is spread is not clear at this time. Even less clear is whether there is a “critical period” for this infection to affect sexual orientation. It’s also not clear how prevalent the pathogen is in the population, or what percentage of infected individuals become homosexual.
Regardless of how the pathogen is spread, it likely that extended periods of fairly close contact with an infected individual is more likely to result in transmission of the infectious agent. If there is a critical period of time, say some time in childhood, for an infection to result in sexual orientation being altered, the evolutionary purpose of homophobia starts to become more apparent.
(cont.)
Indeed, the existence of homophobia may stand as pretty good evidence in support of Greg Cochran’s pathogenic hypothesis for homosexuality. Indeed, for as many have pointed out, homosexuals are otherwise harmless and indeed perhaps beneficial to other males in the group (reduced competition for females, for example). That gays are nonetheless hated seems hard to explain otherwise.
One possible way to test Cochran’s hypothesis is to observe if there is a higher incidence of homosexuality among the adopted children of homosexuals. Using adoptees controls for heredity, and presumably, sharing a household should give plenty of opportunity for the pathogen to be passed on to the adopted child. Ideally, the study should look only at children adopted very young, from strangers (to minimize selection bias among the adopted children). If higher rates of homosexuality were observed among these adopted children, it would point to some environmental factor – the most likely being infection.
The low, but non-zero heritability of male homosexuality may be indicative of some sort of genetic susceptibility to the pathogen, perhaps through weakened defenses or a vulnerable neural architecture.
If homosexuality is indeed caused by an infectious agent, it would have broad implications for society, particularly the prospect of being able to prevent homosexuality (perhaps through a vaccine).
NOTE: In this post I borrowed heavily from a blog post by JayMan [6]. He explains it very well, and has numerous links as source.
[1] https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/depths-of-madness/
[2] http://www.mygenes.co.nz/whitehead_twinjhs.pdf
[3] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/308873/
[4] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2292426/
[5] http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/natural-homophobes-evolutionary-psychology-and-antigay-attitudes/
[6] https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/01/12/a-gay-germ-is-homophobia-a-clue/
What's the matter, /pol/? Not enough memes in this thread?
>>74488795
>Toxoplasmosis
Was wondering how long this would take. Now tell us about how vaccines cause autism and how coconut oil is really healthy.
>>74490547
DAS RITE
nah for most people it's caused by porn addiction
for the worst of faggots it's usually caused by child sexual abuse
Interesting, but I'm skeptical. How would this man rationalize the extremely homosexual culture of people like the Ancient Greeks or Spartans, for instance?
>>74490668
What are you on about? The attraction of infected rats and mice to cat urine has been shown numerous times.
Also note how I'm not pointing to T. gondii as the causal pathogen. I'm merely using it as an example of a behavioral altering virus.
>>74491240
don't forget hormonal influences though. namely xenoestrogens such as BPA.
I believe xenoestrogens + porn are the main cause for those who aren't abused as children
It's the most logical explanation yet for homosexuality.
/pol/ will deny it tho because it's full of shills.
>>74488795
>the lack of any plausible evolutionary explanation
It's called population cap anon. As we are reaching population cap and have no real danger other than other humans it would make sense that a small portion of the population no longer would have the desire to breed.
You can see this from the affects on society as well as just gays popping up behind every anus.
>>74488795
I propose an experiment:
Take a hundred faggots, and send them to a cannibalistic tribe.
Wait and see if they start fucking each other in the poop-chute.
>>74491574
I think porn is the more logical explanation
just go to /b/, you'll see the real reason so many people are becoming gay is because they're addicted to porn and need something new to get off because they've damaged their brain.
unless said pathogen has been released in the air/water supply to begin with.
>>74490900
There is no clear explanation for the rampant homosexuality among ancient greeks and romans within this theory, but a few theories include:
- Genetic receptivity to the pathogen plays a part and was more prevalent among ancient mediterranean races
- The virus had just been introduced in Europe around that time and people had not yet developed immunity
>>74491995
if it's just a virus, explain how so many people who are addicted to porn from a young age have reported having their sexual orientation change over time.
Unless said virus causes hypersexuality /bisexuality in general and anyone who becomes a porn addict already has it
>>74491415
This could also make sense. However, we probably need more studies on the subject to be sure.
>>74488795
Yes, it's a virus and can be cured with homeopathy
Also here's an interesting related post
http://www.advocate.com/health/2013/04/02/italian-scientist-vaccinations-cause-homosexuality
before you think a vaccine could help consider this
>>74488795
>low hereditability of homosexuality
Perhaps it's because gays don't have children?
>>74491728
You talk about the 'goal' of homosexuality rather than the cause.
Even if it is a population cap mechanism (which it very well might be), what makes people gay?
>>74488795
/pol/ will accept this as fact solely because it gives them ammunition against homosexuals.
>>74492400
That's a meme. Gays very much do have children. Enough to perform statistical analysis on heritability.
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/whitehead_twinjhs.pdf
>>74488795
>the lack of any plausible evolutionary explanation
Gay uncle theory. A child with a gay uncle has an evolutionary advantage over one with a straight uncle.
>>74490880
>>74491823
Are there studies about the supposed link between porn and homosexuality? I'm not dismissing it, but I'm curious if there's anything beyond anecdotal evidence.
>>74492400
i know a guy who found gay porn on his dad's computer. he came out of the closet after that
I think the prevalence of homosexuality in the West corresponds to the dominance of women in Western cultures. Look at Sweden. They are completely cucked by women. And look how gay they are. Now look at Saudi Arabia. No gays.
>>74492931
I think there's a difference between homos who actually act and those who are just porn addicts who may even be disgusted by the real thing. This explains the trap fetish being spread over the internet.
its been a while since /pol/ shitted on homos
its refreshing after all the trumpsucking and nazi threads
but really I think one of the major factors has been porn jews pushing anal, starting with introducing it to "straight" porn.
If it is a germ maybe it can be acquired through straight anal or oral sex as well. Still I have my doubts that it isn't mostly psychological
>>74488795
>The absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations
because they probably have more gay sex and bonding without the modern western relationship archetype.
>>74493142
A fetish only becomes a fetish if it is taboo.
If it's not taboo anymore, the fetish is normalized, and there's no more appeal to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUHMnRIS3bk
Irony, Mr. Anderson.
>>74488839
>>74488908
What were the images? Were they statistics?
>>74493700
No, just the text of the post on a transparent background. 4chan (or maybe 4chan X) generated them automatically for some reason and it looked weird.
>>74493640
The Forbidden Fruit is the cause of sin.
DUH
>>74493640
Its a fetish and Poor mental health
Furries,Cross dressers, American prisoners.
How a lack of sexual satisfaction warps into a lifestyle filling in a bottomless void.
>>74494521
You are now free to continue with your daily programming that the "red pill" has anything whatsoever to do with being "right wing".
>>74494545
and female/sexual liberation has to varying degrees turned a lot of men into mental prisoners.
>>74494647
"red pill" is about joining the evil side. it's being initiated into the masonic lodge.
the real "conservative" takes NO PILLS
The most telling sign is that so many "red pillers" worship Rome and the Vatican
>>74494545
You're not getting it, are you?
The fetish only has its appeal because you're not supposed to have it.
Nobody has any fetishes that don't create controversy.
If homosexuality had a bacterial or viral cause we'd be able to detect it pretty easily.
We know for a fact that the brain of a gay person is different from that of a straight person, and we know why that is. We even understand the mechanism by which the brain develops into male or female during gestation.
This means that the bacteria would be influencing the pregnant mother primarily. It would be the root cause of the abnormal hormonal cycle which influences the sex characteristics of the developing child.
Finding a new strain of bacteria in the blood stream of pregnant mothers would be incredibly easy due to all the prenatal care that mothers receive.
Its far more likely that diet, stress, physical health, and excess estrogen-like compounds in the environment are the cause.
>>74494932
the issue is that modern counterculture since the 60's has made creating controversy the new norm, so everything's twisted to the point where being "normal" will be the new controversy soon
Just go to /r9k/ for an example. People come and make threads about how great it is to be a "normie" just to trigger them. Also the "normcore" hipster trend.
Being normal is the new controversial thing.
>>74495558
Anon, things were never "better" in the past.
The fetishes were still there, but there was no avenue to express them.
What you're complaining about is that people everywhere don't give a shit how upset it makes you.
>>74488795
source on 'no homosexuality in hunter-gatherers.'?
>>74491240
>Teenagers on 4chan know what the scientists don't even know because they read some bullshit online
Yes, and lifting weights can turn a girl into a boy because muh hormones muh test.
>>74495877
what I care about is that people aren't raising children in stable families as much as in the past. Regardless of fetishes and sexual preferences, people HAD to have stable families to SURVIVE.
the modern era ruined this.
If it's a pathogen, it can be isolated and studied. A virus, bacteria or similar would be found.
Where is that bacteria/virus?
>>74488795
- Rabies causes dogs to be more aggressive in the final stage of the disease.
- Influenza causes humans to be more social in the days prior to the noticeable effects.
- Toxoplasma causes rats to be (sexually) attracted to cat urine.
What do all of these have in common? They are relatively short-lived, and result in more than just behavioral changes, for instance fever or other abnormal signs or symptoms. Your average fag isn't usually showing outward signs of infection (except AIDS, obviously...), and is usually gay for a large part of their life. To me, your examples do not show a valid similarity between infections that alter behavior and being a fag. In fact, they seem to show the opposite.
So yeah the nature of man was equally bad in the past but it was kept in check by nature (less technology) and institutions like the church, for the betterment of all.
>>74496197
>what I care about is that people aren't raising children in stable families as much as in the past.
Vaguaries of perception, Mr. Anderson.
We all see what we want to see.
It goes in cycles in every civilization. But now there is no where left for you to run.
The Apocalypse is here now.
Jesus will save you. He promises.
>>74495909
>Because I believe one thing I must also believe this other completely unrelated thing.
Good god you are retarded. LITERALLY not an argument you faggot.
This has to be bait but just to shut you up here are five articles demonstrating the link between t. gondii infected mice/rats and attraction to cat urine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20608471
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17218613
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1690701/
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007PNAS..104.6442V
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22240252
>>74496670
is it better to bother with family in this era then, or remain celibate?
>>74496670
>>Jesus will save you
are you implying that He was OK with homosexuality and sexual deviance? The bible says otherwise
>>74495903
There is none. I know for a fact that homosexuality is found in all societies. It usually is considered normal.
In addition there are plausible evolutionary explanations for homosexual behavior (gay uncle theory for example).
>>74496828
The voluntary human extinction movement is not just a meme.
>>74488795
Why does the pathogen have to be biological material in nature? Memes can just as easily be considered a virus.
>>74497087
ok you're a retarded Gnostic/Manichean
>>74497058
>are you implying that He was OK with homosexuality and sexual deviance?
I'm making a mockery of your beliefs anon. He's not coming. You're delusional. It gives me great pleasure when mentally ill people kill themselves.
>>74497087
How you think Jesus is in any compatible with illuminist beliefs like Bruno's is ridiculous. you probably believe in reincarnation and all sorts of other shit like that too
>>74497250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxKYfTvZFb8
>>74497250
>>Christians are mentally ill
>>men who enjoy getting fucked in the butt and developing anal fissures after many years of it are perfectly sane
>>74491823
But plenty of people know they're gay before watching porn regularly. Any gay dude I've talked to has said that since puberty they've just never felt attraction to women
>>74497431
the Matrix is anti-Christian propaganda written by two trannies
OP, where/what would this "gay germ" or pathogen be?
>>74497152
That's the usual connotation of pathogen, and OP distinctly said virus/bacteria.
>literally suggesting homophilia is a meme
I'm sure there's social forces at play, but not defining.
>>74497483
that's why I think there's two types of fags. the ones who were always that way and the ones who are conditioned that way later in life by things like porn
>>74497460
EVERYONE IS INSANE
>>74497604
and I bet you think YOU're the only sane one
>>74497520
Yes. Yes it is.
>>74488795
This would imply densely populated societies would show higher rates of homosexuality and that doesn't seem universally true. By this logic South and east Asia would be the gayest places in the world but they're not
>>74497703
>>74488795
>Gregory Cochran, physicist, offers opinion on subject he has never studied using credentials in a separate scientific field to help accreditate his opinions.
WeW
>>74488795
I used to have an EE student roommate. He firmly believes that if a dude's semen landed on your butt cheeks or anywhere on your ass, you'll instantly turn gay. But then again he used to believe in spontaneous generation, too.
Unrelated question: Do engineering students take Bio classes...at all?
>>74497594
But there's zero evidence for that. Porn usage is widespread and has been for at least a decade and not to mention homosexuality has existed years before it even existed. If porn did cause homosexuality it would be common to hear about straight guys that turned gay much later in life but that is fairly rare.
This doesn't explain the big brother effect, unfortunately. Perhaps it is partially caused by a pathogen and partially caused by prenatal hormone exposure.
>>74498174
I don't think it causes straight people to become fully gay and hate women, but it causes bisexual tendencies things like an anal fetish where guys want to fuck a hole regardless of sex.
I do think there's a difference between the average trap loving /b/ tard and a homo who has only ever liked men
>>74488795
CURE WHEN?!
>>74498378
Yeah I agree with that. Porn could definitely lead people to fetishes but being genuinely gay seems like something else
It's a brain infection.
>>74488795
Single cause theories will go nowhere.
Childhood trauma
Peer influence
Sexual aversions
Wanting to decorate in a fabulous manner
Psychological issues
There's probably too many to list.
>>74488795
Homosexuality is a psychological disorder based on the lack of gender typical identification. If women hold more power the natural dualism of masculinity and femininity gets deconstructed.
If a man can't identify with masculinity(being the potent) he gains an inferiority complex that he feels not worthy for a woman, so he is devaluing woman at all and idealises men. He is trying to reach masculinity through submissions of other men by using feminine features.
Source is a book about psycho analysis and psychosis.
>>74497547
I'm pretty sure a child molestation increases higher chance of sexual deviation. I'm convinced it's childhood trauma followed by homosexual identity guidance.
>>74492794
why?
>>74499051
>wanting to decorate in a fabulous manner
jej
I side more with the immune response theory while in the womb. Basically after a woman has one male child she is more likely to give birth to a gay male child, likely due to some kind of changes in her womb and her body's response to a male child. Most gay men have older brothers. Wouldn't explain everything but sounds legit to me if you look it up.
Gayfag here. Born gay, both siblings are straight. Parents tried their hardest to cure me (cars, boxing, karate etc) since early childhood, so no external influence.
My favorite theory is the Padova one. Homosexuality is supposedly caused by a "hyperfeminine" gene carried by some women. Such gene make them more fertile, beautiful and overall more feminine/submissive, thus having more children. Male offspring are born with female brains and turn either into gays or transgenders or what else (nurture comes here). Gene is passed on by the sisters, preventing it from being eliminated by natural selection while keeping the gay population small but steady.
The theory is good because it explains how common are the combos faghag mom/gay son; masculine dad (who got himself a "top" female)/gay son or gay father/straight son (males can't pass on the gene)
God i would love if this turned out to be true... Nice read, but as some anon said, xenoe's and sexual molestation play the important role IMO
>>74490668
>>74495909
>american education
You didn't even read all of his posts, admit it. If you did, then i feel sorry for you
Cochran once also mentioned an animal, a ram, that has about 10% of its population exclusively homosexual. The only other species where exclusive homosexuality exists is man.
Since man and this type of sheep, or whatever it is, used to share living space, this also points towards a pathogen.
>>74499337
great, you explained bottom gays, and what about top ones?
>>74491823
this makes sense intuitively but does not explain homos before there was widespread access to porn.
>>74501282
>Top Gays
Sounds like a TV show where they drive around in classic cars giving reviews of Bed and Breakfast's, while. All done in an English accent.
>>74501542
>>74490668
I work in a hospital m8, HIV dementia and Toxoplasmosis encephalitis are everyday cases in the infectology ward (to this day I have yet to see one of these in a heterosexual)
wash the gay away twice a day
>>74488795
This is amazing, it should be proposed to a big laboratory, institute or university, run viral PCR's and bacterial culturesin homosexuals brain tissue and compare it to normal people. If a pathogen is actually there we could prevent homosexuality and start treating homosexuals like the sick people they are
I personally have more important things to worry about then why men stick things in their ass.
I'll toss in a hypothesis. Could BPA, other Xenoestrogens, and environmental factors such as food/water supply be influencing this? The embryo in the womb receives nutrients from the mother during pregnancy. So outside factors do come into play...
The media is the biggest contributor to the newest homo-trans-queer-lesbian/degenerate fads but we need to dig deeper.
I have an alternate hypothesis
Human sexuality is incredibly fluid. The sexual urge which we feel can be turned on any object that stimulates the sex organs, and thus activates the pleasure circuit in the brain. If a woman is not available, a man will cope by turning his urges on other men, or children, or even animals.
On old galley ships, hundreds of men were away from land for months at a time. The result was widespread sodomy. These were men with wives and families waiting for them at port, and yet when women were not available they turned their sexual urges on each other. A similar phenomenon occurs in the prison system today. Homosexual rape is rampant, there is a constant demand for young, small males. These are all men with girlfriends, even children on the outside, and yet when women are not available they make due.
In indigenous societies all over the world, sex with animals was quite normal. It still is in Africa and in many places in the Middle East (I've been on 4chan long enough to see the videos, don't go to /b/ by the way). Just look at the behavior of the Australian Aborigines (pic related).
Once you murder someone, it loses it's stigma and becomes easy. In a similar way once you have gay sex, or sex with a child, it's like breaking through an eggshell. It becomes easy, normal even after that.
For the health of the society, it's incumbent upon us to contain degenerate behaviors and encourage the formation of healthy monogamous relationships. No sex with animals, no sex with other men.....sex with women. And not rape either, only in the context in a relationship.
Just like we contain the urge to murder and remove murderers from society, so we contain our sexual urges, and remove sexual degenerates from polite society (once that eggshell is broken, you can't put humpty dumpty back together again.)
>>74488795
>- The absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations
Sounds like the physicist should take a trip to Papua.
>>74500756
I like you Brazilfag, you try to understand your situation rationally rather than go full "GAY PRIDE WE'RE THE SAME'. Best of luck to you m8.
>>74502250
I don't think its an ongoing infection, though; more like a pathogen you get while your brain is still developing that fucks it up for the rest of your life.
If it was pathogenic, even closet gays could transmit it. If anything its a meme. Though i suppose a meme could be considered a type of verbal and psychological pathogen. Idk, two of my best buddies are gay, and have been for almost 15 years. Hasnt changed my habits a bit, meaning ive never had sexual contact with a male, only ever females. Albeit this is anecdotal, so take it for what you will.
We all know what the real cause is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flV0Nwy_wfk
>>74502615
I agree with everything you just said except the "humpty dumpty" part. Just like any substance addiction, the body will keep develop addiction not so much depending on how much of the substance you take or how often but more depending on brain chemical pathways (defined by genes and enviroment), some people are more prone to be addicted to gambling, sex, heroin, cocaine, etc. than others.
But yeah, society should still prevent people from taking cocaine, maybe you won't become an addict the first time you use it (or never, depending on the dopamine receptors in your brain) but some people will.
>>74488795
it's an interesting idea. even if the research eventually disproves it, it would be interesting to see the results of the adoption studies and what implications it may have.
>>74503293
Are you saying that this disease is transmitted by saying certain things?
>>74503422
>But yeah, society should still prevent people from taking cocaine, maybe you won't become an addict the first time you use it (or never, depending on the dopamine receptors in your brain) but some people will.
And some people will kill other people in car wrecks too.
Tough shit, leave my coke alone you dogooder faggot. Go police your fuckhole of a mother you cunt.
>>74503734
Why would anyone take a substance capable of giving a healthy young man a heart attack or a stroke (even in normal doses) is beyond me. But no, I was just using it as an example.
>>74503962
I've known lotsa coke users in my day, including myself.
None of us got heart attacks. Movies aren't real life. Traffick was a shit film.
>>74503962
The problem with most coke isn't the coke, it's whatever it's cut with.
Gayness is only prevalent today not because of some pathogen, but because the media has taken advantage of a troubling time for boys (puberty) and have forced them to believe that the weird things they go through are not because of a natural process of growing up, but because of some abnormal sexuality that they are supposedly repressing.
Young boys go through some tough times physically and mentally when they hit puberty, and the last thing you want to tell a confused boy is that the random boners he gets at school with his friends is because he's gay.
I remember when I was at a sleepover in grade 5 or 6. I got my first boner while we were all watching some softcore porn on TV (back when late night TV still had balls and would air softcores and phone-sex line commercials). I stood up at that time, turned around to my friends and showed off my boner to all of them saying "Hey guys! Check out my boner!". We all laughed and had a fun time and I still remember the companionship of that sleepover.
I thank the lord every day I did not grow up in the gay-prevelant age these millenials are growing up into, because I would most likely think back on that experience as some sort of repressed gay experience and would look back to that companionship that I felt as some sort of homosexual attraction that I was processing.
Imagine being some kid today and having these types of experiences/memories, and then having TV/internet/school tell you that these things happen because you are gay and not normal (but "normal" in the liberal sense, because that makes it ok somehow).
Seriously just imagine it. I think this issue isn't as complicated or as conspiratorial as you're making it OP. I think young boys (and young kids in general) have very impressionable minds and anything you tell them they'll tend to believe and to mimic.
This is why I totally support Putin's idea of sexual tolerance: it's ok to be gay, but go fuck yourself if you want to teach that shit to children.
>>74503422
Society should take a very strong firm moral stand on matters such as sexual morality.
It's not right to stone all gay people to death, they serve a function in our world (as the fashion industry has discovered). However their lifestyle and their behaviors need to be kept far away from children and far out of the eye of the general public (no kissing in the street please).
Once you learn about humans and our history, you learn what we are truly capable of. We are filthy animals, monkeys flinging poo. We can be murderers, rapists, torturers....etc. We have set up entire social systems where people are ritually mutilated, beaten, enslaved....etc.
It's up to the society to take a strong moral stand to condemn what it considers to be "deviant" behaviors. That's how you build a functioning social order. Marriage, family, Christmas celebrations....none of this is natural. All of this is possible because someone decided long ago what was the right way to live.
Humans are gradually over time evolving and adjusting to fit in with this new moral system. We've put on clothing, we've stamped out murder and rape and slavery. But none of this came natural to us. If you think otherwise, go look at how indigenous populations behave.
>>74492794
That's not how natural selection works. Hamilton's rule explains what is necessary; the sister of a gay uncle has to have more than twice the number of children for the numbers to work out.
>>74504308
it's also because the "teenager" is a MYTH.
without the media and public schooling, people would mature at a younger age (around 15-16) and be expected to marry and work, but technology, the economic system and schooling intentionally delay development for more indoctrination
>>74504218
"I've known"
Yeah, anecdotes mean shit next to epidemiological studies and clinical reports, I'm a junior doctor, I've seen 30 year olds fucking up their lives needing a wheelchair and having to poop in a diaper with my own eyes. Coke is cheap as fuck in my country (here is where its made), so we get a couple of tourists with strokes in the hospital every once in a while.
>>74492794
But the gay uncle has an evolutionary disadvantage compared to a straight one.
>>74495528
>If homosexuality had a bacterial or viral cause we'd be able to detect it pretty easily.
Have you ever even read a medical journal, you moron?
Besides which, we'd have to actually be looking to find one, which, news flash, we aren't.
>We know for a fact that the brain of a gay person is different from that of a straight person, and we know why that is.
No, no we do not.
>We even understand the mechanism by which the brain develops into male or female during gestation.
This means that the bacteria would be influencing the pregnant mother primarily.
Complete non-sequitor. Pro-tip: alterations to the brain can happen after gestation.
>>74504494
Yup. People are taught to be children all their lives. It makes them more easily controlled and mouldable by the media. Look at how comedy these days has devolved into a PC lel-so-quirky cult of personality dominated by females (a gender known to be immature throughout the course of their life).
>physicist in Mormontopia talking about pathology
>>74488795
>The low hereditability of homosexuality
I-is this serious?
>>74504812
People have hypothesized that Alzheimers could be an infections disease as well.
It seems to move through the population in the same patter that a virus does.
Perhaps there is an entire category of pathogens that we haven't yet detected?
Perhaps they reside in the brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go_LIz7kTok
>>74495528
There is no way you can detect a virus transmitted disease if you don't think it could be a virus beforehand and run the tests to prove it
>>74504672
>Yeah, anecdotes mean shit
Anecdotes mean more than anything you say.
What I've seen and experience holds weight, your claims otherwise do not.
BTW, I have pharmacology training myself. How far have you gone in chem/pharma? Further than me I wonder...
>>74504910
Arranged marriage at 16-20 is what we need. That's how it worked for most of known history
but even most "conservatives" won't agree with this. People on this very board like to attack guys for being "manchildren" because they aren't fucking women, when the whole educational system is DESIGNED to create manchildren. And they're still brainwashed by "romantic love" which was a huge step backwards in the Victorian era.
Sadly Islam (also Orthodox Jews and Hindus but they don't spread it by conquest) is the only system that still does this correctly.
>>74505614
or maybe Alzheimers and other things are caused by technology, electromagnetic radiation and other such things
>>74488795
>share your opinion on the 'gay germ' hypothesis
You don't know what the word "hypothesis" means. There has to be some actual connection with reality to reach that bar.
>absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations
Citation needed
>lack of plausible evolutionary explanation
Google the fa'afafine.
>>74504446
the internet is really the cause of all the problems /pol/ complains about because it's created a huge gray area between public and private society and completely destroyed the sense of actual community. Really, places like 4chan are anti-morality and anti-society by their very nature, and maybe the whole of anonymous internet needs to be destroyed
>>74495903
Everyone who's ever interacted with hunter-gatherers have asked; there are no gays. Most don't even understand the concept, many think the researcher is pulling a joke on them. One's that are aware of the concept are only so because they've interacted with larger, agricultural populations.
>>74505675
If you have chem/pharma training you will then know that cocaine inhibits adrenergic uptake, which leads to an excess of norepinephrin and epinephrin, which leads to vasospasm and vasoconstriction which leads to myocardial infarction and stroke.
I will give to you that most studies show that the incidence of strokes and heart attack in people who take cocaine isn't that high (around 5% for some studies, around 10% and 15$ for others, not exactly nonexisting but not really that high, and also, not a lot of experimentation has been done in the subject for obvious reason so the real incidence is unknown), but still, it is a possibility.
>>74506233
I am willing to believe this, but I'd really like to see a source
This makes 4channers including me uncomfortable but we'd all probably be better off if the internet were treated like public space, with the same regulations for exposure, and your real face everywhere and the same accountability
>>74488795
It's all true, and it spreads by poo.
>>74506436
This is an actual possibility, does anyone know if the incidence of homosexuality has ever been studied in San Francisco?
So what you're telling me is Homosexuallity is the disease and AIDS is the cure?
>>74506436
Then why isn't 96% of India gays?
What about bisexuality? Is that like a less powerful type of virus that makes you want cock just occasionally?
>>74490900
Lol there wasn't rampant homosexuality in the Roman or Greek civilizations. Bring out your artwork, poems and the Sacred Band of Thebes stories. It was around 1.5% of the population, just like today. In fact, the Romans AND the Greeks had common slang terms for fags, and they were used as insults. Bottoms were looked down on greatly in BOTH societies. For the most part, homosexuality is caused by child abuse at a young age, confusing and warping the child's sexuality.
>>74506799
Bisexuality might be the porn/degeneracy thing /pol/ always goes on about. Obligate faggots like myself have the gay germ
>>74506291
>If you have chem/pharma training you will then know that cocaine inhibits adrenergic uptake, which leads to an excess of norepinephrin and epinephrin, which leads to vasospasm and vasoconstriction which leads to myocardial infarction and stroke.
It's a very rare case where cocaine hydrochloride leads to a myocardial infarction.
You're more likely to get a heart attack from exercise/working out. Cocaine-induced psychosis is the only real threat from the drug for the vast bulk of people, and even that risk is low and usually requires other agonists.
As a stimulant, cocaine is one of the safer examples, as it's quickly metabolized and the effects are short-lived, vs. amphetamines, cathinones, and phenidates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb
>>74506674
No, Homosexuality is a disease, AIDS is another disease that happens to be much more common in Homosexuals due to their base disease, just like Hepatitis D, which is a virus that requires the presence of Hepatitis B to be active
>>74490547
I'm actually liking this.
If it were hereditary it would die out, yet it seems to grow with the spread of globalization.
>>74505868
i love how these silly threads trigger the shit out of you reddit faggots
Interesting. Do you have a link?
>>74488795
Have you considered that homosexuality might just be a natural societal pressure and consequence of luxury, rather than anything inherited or caught?
t. homosex
>>74506355
https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/group-selection-and-homosexuality/#comment-7025
But of course, you're asking me to source a negative. Find me anthropologists confirming homosexuality among hunter-gatherers. I mean field-work, with actual examples, not "well, I assume so."
Also, we're speaking here of obligate, not facultative, homosexuality.
I dunno whats your problem with gay people, they dont fucking reproduce in this overpopulated planet..... Damn, i dont care if a man kiss another man, what does that do to me? ''Family values, ahh bible, tradition'' blah, morons
>>74490547
>you can't cure gay they said
2016 is shaping up to be a glorious year
>>74508071
>>you can't cure gay they said
>2016 is shaping up to be a glorious year
AIDS year of the flaming monkey Reee
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MAKE AMERICA GREAT
>>74490547
The guy conducting the research is "not clear" in how, when, or why the pathogen spreads. So there isn't much to go on. Is it an intresting theory? Yes. Is it something I'll embrace as the answer to homosexuality which is mostly accepted (and practically praised) in western societies? Not till I see more definitive evidence.
Thanks for the study though.
>2016
>homosexuality is cured
>trudeau becomes a muslim hating conservative
I wish that there existed more gay people, so less fucking people are born, i wish all of china and india became gay so that the didnt spread around the world
>>74507985
I'm just curious if anyone has ever done a thorough study of what societies do and do not have homosexuals. I assumed that hunter-gatherers had them because my society has them, much like how I assume all societies have two genders because that's how mine works. I know the latter isn't true so why should the former be.
I think obligate homosexuality is probably gay germs and facultative homos are something else, more related to bisexuals, desu
>>74497816
Not if the pathogen is new there
>>74502615
Holy fuck your picture is terrifying. No wonder punishments in the olden days were so brutal. You can't give people any leeway for degeneracy it seems. Remember people once our civilization falls to ruins that picture will be our future.
>>74488795
The Republicans were right all along. Gaydom really IS contagious.
mfw I have to shake a gay guys hand...
>>74488795
>The absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations
Do you mean homosexuality as in the lifestyle or homosexual acts?
Because many hunter-gather societies have homosexual acts/rituals. One in Papua New Guinea, for example, has it that to become a man a young boy must ingest the semen of another man.
>>74497816
Thailand and Japan
The other countries aren't mostly because of Islam (or Catholicism for the flips)
>>74500085
Because the uncle acts as a protector/hunter that would increase the fitness of the tribe he belonged to, but he wouldn't have his own offspring that would consume time/resources.
Basically it's the idea that gays are like the drones of human society.
>>74488908
>Point to some environmental factor - the most likely being infection
yeah nah could also be the fact that your dad is constantly picking up dudes and acting like a gaycunt, only associating with other gay men and all the other headfuck shit that probably happens
>>>>74507217
aids is more prevalent in homosexuals because of a mans sex drive and buttsex
I will never believe the genetic reason. We're complex creatures with a complex society. People get comfortable in their own worlds, don't want to breed and can be perfectly fine without it, and are free to explore their own sexual desires. You can blame society for it. Yes, gay is a choice. For all intents and purposes, you choose to be gay, whether you realize it or not. You choose to be a lot of the things that you are. Gay is not something that you would've defaulted on had you been living in the jungles. Same with foot fetishes and fucking sex dolls.
>>74493122
>Saudi Arabia. No gays.
There are things which happen in the middle east that would make your stomach turn. The middle east is literally 100% gay, as in every male has been sodomised at some point in their life. Why do you think they're all so fucked up and crazy about sexual stuff.
For the record, if all the HIV and AIDS hosts were killed dead right this minute. I would be ok with that.
Some times you just need a good cleansing every once in a little while.
>>74488795
I personally think it has to do with how soy is in virtually every single piece of food we eat in some form or another but who knows
>>74509938
I would feel bad for the 2 -5% that contract the disease by blood transfusions and by pinching themselves with infected needles and scalpels (I mean doctors and nurses, fuck drug addicts)
>>74488795
Well the rats being attracted by cat urine is like a male human thinking the ass hole of another man is attractive, it makes sense. Good one anon.
>>74511095
Amazing strawman m8, bravo
>>74488795
>The absence of homosexuality in hunter-gatherer populations
nigger please
>>74511095
What about straight guys who think women's assholes are attractive?
>>74509310
If the gay uncle doesn't have kids, how do his sacrificial genes get passed on? Through the air?
If his siblings have the gay gene, they aren't having kids either, so it would have to be a sexually antagonistic gene; one that, when expressed in men, results in gay, but in women, results in enhanced fecundity. Except that nieces and nephews are only half as related to you as your own children, so just to break even, every sister must have at least twice as many children.
(And oh, by the way, where's your evidence that gay uncles contribute more to their extended families than straight ones? You ever seen flamers, dude? They're narcissistic as fuck, they aren't helping out with the kids.)
Except, just breaking even doesn't work, because you run the risk of a bad luck of the draw. What happens when your extra fecund sister has all boys? Oops, they all express gay, gene disappears. So not only must such a gene be sexually antagonistic, and must enhance fecundity by at least twice above normal rates, it must also cause women to preferentially give birth to girls. Except, whoops, that's not how sex determination works in humans - that's up to the sperm, and whether it gives an X or a Y chromosome (barring issues with the SRY gene migrating to the X).
This is why, in eusocial animals, the queen always has way fucking more than than 4 kids.
Also, it's worth pointing out that whether larvae will become drones is determined by environmental factors, not genes; drones will express fertility when the hive requires it, such as queens dying with no new queen ready to take over.
>>74511528
Less gay porn is made in general (why would you make a product that only 6% of the population consumes instead of making the other one that every straight male consumes)
Nice concept but unfortunately in todays political climate, there is no chance of any research on the topic.
>>74508272
>s it an intresting theory? Yes. Is it something I'll embrace as the answer to homosexuality which is mostly accepted (and practically praised) in western societies? Not till I see more definitive evidence.
Gay genes didn't show up in the GWAS. The way natural selection actually works completely rules out a genetic answer for all but de novo cases, which must be limited to tiny numbers - we're talking fractions of a percentage point, not 2-4 percent. It's either environmental insult, or socialization, can't be genes.
>>74511714
Except, gay guys are supposed to be ULTRA perverted.
But less than 3% of prolapse porn is homosexual.
Why do you straight fucks have a fascination with women's assholes at all? Why do assholes even come into play with you? I thought you fucks loved the pussy so much. Coulda fooled me.
>>74509121
I actually read that in a book about sexuality lol
they called it their "milk", sounded tasty af tbqh ;3
What about bisex faggots like definitely not me?
>>74512295
>less than 3% of prolapse porn is homosexual
Show me stats, what is the proportion of prolapse porn in homosexual porn and in normal people porn
>>74512295
im straight and i dont have that problem
>>74492408
look up the rat utopia experiment.
the population starts to degenerate once it becomes too large and unsustainable.
we dont know why it happens, it just does.
>Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption. [...]
>>74488795
>absent in hunter gatherer populations
There are very, very few hunter gatherer populations left on Earth. The sample size is thus very limited. Some of the remaining ones have adopted some elements of Western culture. Some aren't even contacted yet.
>>74512787
And I'm a homo and I don't think anuses are hot.
Blowjobs only.
Fact is, many straight men are attracted to the booty, which begs the question: WHY IN THE NAME OF FUCK?
