I have watched many documentaries on what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki and I think everyone can agree that it was a war crime. It instantly killed a hundred thousand innocent people who had no chance to flee or take shelter. Those that survived were inflicted with debilitating injuries. Put aside your pride and apologize for what you know was a terrible act, to do so shows strength and humility, if you even have any left.
No.
>>74487852
lol about hte same time nips apologizes for china and korea
aka never
>>74488000
trips dont lie
NEVER
EVER
Wait so people die in war?
>>74487852
Lol
>thinking less japs and Americans would have died if we didn't drop it.
>>74487852
Rape of Nanking and Unit 731 faggot! Look them up!
>>74488000
>>74488178
So you acknowledge that you are weak then?
This was a disgusting and horrific act, you are morally bankrupt if you don't believe an apology is owed.
>>74487852
When they apologize for Nanking and the abysmal treatment of POW's.
>>74487852
Please stop making this thread every day, it doesn't need a general.
>>74488000
The dubs trips of cold hard honesty.
Should have dropped a few more tee bee ecci, my relative.
>>74487852
They attacked us.
As they say, all's fair in love & war.
TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.
We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.
We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.
Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.
You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.
EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
>>74488093
>>74488212
>>74488583
>>74488595
Not the topic of discussion, do you think that Germany didn't need to apologize for the holocaust because of the rape of Berlin?
This place is full of retards actually so the answer to the above is statistically likely to be "yes"...
>>74487852
>apologize for literally saving countless lives
Uh...no.
>>74488734
ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.
The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.
Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.
A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.
Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.
Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.
EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
>>74488751
>This place is full of retards
But why troll with the same thread every day? Aren't you smart enough to make something new? It has to be boring watching the same responses roll in each time.
OH ROOK WHAT TIME IT IS
There has never in world history been a nation which had it coming like the Japanese Empire did. Genghis Khan would look at Nanking and think they took it a bit too far.
>>74487852
two nukes weren't enough
>>74487852
Its time for Britain to apologize for the stamp act
>>74488751
See >>74488734
The Japs were warned, the innocents in China and Korea didn't get such a warning before their lives were turned into hell.
>>74488000
>>74488134
>muh american exceptionalism
>>74487852
>>74488000
>>74488751
Yes.
Obama should apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki just as much as whites should apologize for slavery.
Here is one of the crew members of the Enola Gay meeting with two survivors of the Hiroshima bombing. They ask him to apologize and he refuses. The woman begins crying and he still refuses to apologize. Not only that, but he suggests that it is the Japanese who should apologize to him. And I agree.
If this great patriot will not apologize then neither will I.
https://youtu.be/iNxQpDcYHKU?t=151
(Turn on CC for subtitles.)
>>74487852
Japan literally doesn't even want a fucking apology, Obama recently tried to apologize for it and Japan didn't accept his apology and told him not only do they not give a shit, they also feel he shouldn't apologize for shit he didn't do.
>>74487852
It's time for the UK to apologize for Berlin and Dredsen. I have watched many documentaries on what happened at Berlin and Dresden and I think everyone can agree that it was a war crime. It killed a hundred thousand innocent people who had no chance to flee or take shelter. Those that survived were inflicted with debilitating injuries. Put aside your pride and apologize for what you know was a terrible act, to do so shows strength and humility, if you even have any left.
>>74487852
>"We're sorry we killed a few hundred thousand instead of dragging both our nations into a long drawn out ground war that would have killed tens of millions."
>>74488867
The narrative needs to change. If I fling enough intelligence and reason, something might stick. People here, especially Americans, need to realise that their country is not an absolute moral authority and that they aren't always "the good guys". I would hope that they can learn to be strong enough to apologize for what they likely already know deep down was a war crime and unjustifiable.
>>74488734
>>74488828
It's 1945, they're not going to get that message out fast
>armchair analysts revising historical decisions they will never have to suffer repercussion and responsibility for
Fascinating.
>>74488589
But who are we apologizing to? They died. It's over with. An apology means nothing.
>>74488921
They did apologise. It's called Canada
>>74489143
I agree that it was the better of two difficult and bloody choices. It's a war crime still.
>>74488751
> Can't grasp the concept of historical perspective
> Other people are retards
>>74489162
If they had figured this out their foreign policy would be radically different.
People are starting to catch on,
Citation - Trump's success
>>74489162
I guess you're not going to 'break character' for this thread then, best of luck with your baffling choice of troll topics, I just wish you didn't hate this place so much that you felt the need to make it worse.
Because Japan apologized for....
>>74489186
Try not to cut yourself on that edge there, faggot.
>you're a commander in chief
>millions of your soldiers' lives are in your hands
>you possess a weapon that will surely end the war without risking A SINGLE LIFE of your countrymen
>all this after being in a bitter, hard-fought war the past 4 years
Just go away limey fuck. It was an easy decision for Truman and we'd make the same decision again, so would your PM. Deal with it.
>>74488755
How do Krauts feel about Dresden?
>>74487852
>>74489371
I'm not in character, I'm not trolling and I don't hate this place, quite the contrary, /pol/ can be great banter but it is also a good place to have unfiltered discussion about controversial topics and talk to people with differing opinions freely without worry of things escalating or other shit happening.
>>74489662
That's a fancy explanation for "makes exact same thread every day". I wish you wouldn't do this, it lowers the quality of the board for everyone and you damn well know what you're doing.
>>74489662
You need to first apologize to us for not committing seppuku for making this thread.
>>74487852
No, they did it for the greater good. An invasion of Japan would have cost thousands of British, American and other allied lives as well as maybe millions of Japanese. Besides, it's the threat of nuclear war that has kept major countries from fighting each other since then.
>>74488751
>Holocaust
What?
>>74489448
It also sent a message to the Soviets, who were putting their own arsenal together.
Let 'em know we weren't pussies.
>>74489162
We're still giving out Purple Hearts that were made in preparation of the invasion of Japan. They started the war, we ended it.
>>74487852
No. It was that or kill them all
>>74489886 >>74490019
Plus the Soviets were totally down to invade glorious Nihon without the bombs. Would've likely had a 'Best Japan' to go with 'Best Korea'.
>>74488751
The atomic bombings where justified though. At the time the the US was engaged with Japan in total war. Total war means that all of Japans industry and resources where going to the production of war goods tanks, planes,bullets and shells. The destruction of which would hinder the Japanese's ability to wage war. At the time Most of Japans men where engaged in the fighting and where not able to to work in these factory's. Instead it was women and whoever they could get. By working in these factory's they where directly contributing to Japans war goals. This means that they where fair targets. An invasion of mainland Japan by the Allied forces would have had ungodly casualties for them and the Japanese. Why should the US have to apologize for shortening the war and possibly saving mainland Japan from total destruction. In total war civilians are not a thing, Total war is the absolute destruction of the enemy's ability to wage war in any way. The atomic bombings where therefore justified according to the modern rules of war, and had the added benefit of saving mainland Japan from untold destruction and loss of life.
>>74489046
So not at all, glad we are on the same page
Remember the rape of nanking
The bombs prevented millions of casualties
>>74489886
This.
Feel what you want about it but the USSR and the US probably would've gotten into a nuclear war if we never used them.
>>74489069
Shit that must have taken some stones, respect.
>>74487852
Another choice was genocide of Japanese. Google "Operation Downfall". Estimated casualties: 500k to million of American soldiers, millions of Japanese. So no, this wasn't a war crime.
>>74488253
There is a difference between war casualties and killing 200 000 civilians including hospitals and schools you fucking edgelord.
Mfw normies don't know that we killed waaaaay more people in all the bombing runs we made on the Japanese mainland.
>Yokohama which is roughly the size of Cleveland was 58 % destroyed
>Tokyo which is comparable to NYC was 51 % destroyed
>Nagoya which is the equivalent of LA was 40 % destroyed
>Osaka which is the size of Chicago was 35 % destroyed
100,000 people were burned alive in the firebombing of Tokyo which was a wooden city, in a single night.
>>74490575
That isn't how war crimes work. You can't just say that it was the "lesser of two evils" in the eyes of the administration at the time so it isn't a war crime.
>>74490575
That isn't how defining a war crime works. You can't just say that because it was seen as "the lesser of two evils" by the administration at the time that it was all good.
>>74487852
Not until Niggers apologize for being Niggers
>>74487852
Is Dresden and the rest of the area bombing campaign over Germany a war crime? This isn't just a tu quoque, I want to see if you're at least consistent in that as well.
>muh poor Japanese
Kill yourself you faggot weeaboo. We would roast more Japs if we could.
>>74491531
Lol I laughed so much I farted
>>74491772
Yes, Dresden is a war crime.
>>74487852
I agree. Fucking savages who have done nothing to further civilisation, only to hinder it
>>74487852
America should also apologize for Operation Condor
>>74491110
>>74491330
>he still hasn't deleted his thread in shame
we all see you, anon
>>74487852
I'm sorry we didn't nuke you too.
>>74487852
This fucking thread again? Fuck, Steve Cuckamoto back up to the plate.
The firebombings killed more people than did nukes, better a bunch of dead nips than us having to invade and lose more american lives, you fucks deserved no mercy after the savagery you committed, and if we apologized for that then we would need to apologize for the post war german genocide where we starved millions of german civilians in camps. That last point makes your pussy ass death toll look like nothing.
You lost, we won and did what we had to do to win. We do not need to apologize for just action.
>>74487852
On behalf of America, I would like to apologize to the world for pulling England's sorry ass out of the fire. We deeply regret keeping these homosexuals in existence when it would have been easier to just let them fry.
>>74492610
Make us.
Did japan apologize for nanking and korean comfort women?
>>74491772
Yes, Dresden was a war crime. And? Why is it that when every time American war crimes are mentioned Americans immediately deflect to one of the thousands of other war crimes committed by other states instead of acknowledging their own and agreeing that it should be apologized for? I am ashamed that no British government has apologized for Dresden yet but I am hard pressed to find an American willing to do the same about their own shameful acts in history.
>>74487852
I am sorry for everything my country has done to the world.
>>74493128
Britain needs to apologize for Australia
>>74489069
"Study history.Korea was japanese colony.Not belligerent country.Japan already apologised against belligerent country.And I think 911 was justic.
Yankee pigs killed 150 million civilian in Vietnam war.And yankee pigs killed 100 million Philippine in America-spanish war.Yankee pigs killed 50 million civilian in iraq.yankees said these thing were justic.
And yankees said that bombing hirosima,nagasaki,tokyo were punishment to japan.
911 was same as that.Ynkees recived punishment.I think 911 was good job.More die yankee pigs.We should bomb yankee and kill yankee pigs.
And yankees cast a ballot stupid Trump.Yankees should go to heaven."
HORY SHET
MY SIDES ARE IN ORBIT
>>74493245
You shouldn't be, the United States has contributed countless fantastic things to the rest of the planet. Hiroshima was not one of them though and should be apologized for. You have to take the good with the bad, no state is infallible or a perpetual "good guy" all the time.
>>74491110
You totally can. It is war. People die on it.
>>74487852
A ground invasion would have killed lots more people and it would've dragged the war out longer. On top of that, the soviets would send troops to Japan and we've seen what they did to Germany. So dropping the nuke was the best thing to do to the Japs.
>>74493489
You know, every single anon itt could grovel about how wrong the bombings were and beg Jap posters to forgive them, and you'd still go right ahead and make this thread tomorrow. Your only purpose is trolling and it's plain as day.
>>74493581
You're actually right, you totally can. But you are then totally wrong and experiencing extreme cognitive dissonance when you then call the holocaust or Rwandan genocide war crimes.
>>74493489
nope.
Saved more lives than it cost.
It was the right move then and the right move still
>>74490174
Remember unit 731. Gas the japs.
>>74493837
Not true, if a genuine consensus was being reached and Americans started to become more open to the idea that they aren't infallible or the "heroes" all the time then I wouldn't post threads like this because they would be pointless. There is still work to be done, why don't you help me out?
>>74493885
Holocaust and Rwandan genocide are not war crimes.
The atomic bombs were totally unjustified. The japanese were actually not at all impressed by the nukes. The real reason they surrendered was because of the soviets.
Japan in 1945 had only 6 major cities left with a population >60.000. Most of their cities were already carped bombed and destroyed by fire. Nuking civilian areas of only 50.000 people didnt impress them. They were much more worried how to transition into the post-war time. A pending invasion by the soviets would have been a disaster. So they chose to give the americans the impression that they "lost" to the yanks when actually it was a clever "surrender" not to fall into the hands of the soviets.
>>74494145
>if a genuine consensus was being reached
You have no metric for that, nor are you interested in having one, you just want a blanket excuse to keep making these threads.
You are naked, anon.
>>74494212
You're retarded
>>74487852
70 YEARS AND
S T I L L M A D
>>74487852
Time for the Britcucks to apologize for over taxing and all the atrocities they committed throughout history.
Also Japs love the US, they understand they fucked up when the bombed pearl harbor and now we are best buddies, dont try to push your insecurities on us faggot.
I will be waiting..........
>>74487852
I agree completely.
We should apologize to the Chinese for nuking Japan instead of launching a full scale invasion.
Only then could we have killed the countless millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians necessary to fully avenge their imperialist war of conquest against the peace-loving Chinese.
>>74487852
America must never apologize. Don't back ever down. Especially to any foreign influence.
>>74488000
Jesus fucking Christ why is first post always best post it's fucking meme magic
>>74494366
Nope, it is you who are retarded. It is one thing to wage war against other country, and entirely different thing to kill your own citizens. Germans weren't at war with Jew state - there was no Jew state.
>>74494509
> launching a full scale invasion against Japan
which you would have miserably lost.
Japan had such a dead end culture that they needed to be nuked into relevance.
>>74494303
I do have a basic metric, when 7/10 posts aren't saying "we should have dropped more than 2" or "They deserved it" or "payback for pearl harbor" or "lemme deflect to Nanking or something so I don't have to acknowledge my shit" then I won't continue to post these threads. I amn't writing a paper or conducting a scientific study, I amn't noting detailed statistics about the threads so I don't need some fancy metric. I just want to hold the door to progress and reason open for anyone that wants to accept reality and walk through.
>>74488589
i guess i'm morally bankrupt then
>>74489162
ok Muhammad calm down, eat ur kebabs, and go decapitate some young British girl
>>74494705
Which is why using nukes was good decision. More dead Japs, no dead Americans.
>>74494818
>>74494469
>>74494469
>>74494469
THIS, END OF DISCUSSION
_____________________________________________ TROLL LINE STARTS HERE __________
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS FAGGOT BRITKEK PUSHING HIS INSECURITIES, OP IF YOU ARE THIS PASSIONATE, POST FACE PIC WITH TIME STAMP.
>>74487852
Japan doesn't want us to so shut your fucking mouth you filthy brit do you even care about japan?
Japan is best asian and we all know it.
>>74494818
>I just want to hold the door to progress and reason open for anyone that wants to accept reality and walk through.
You just have a bag of rationalizations to shitpost lined up, don't you? None of them are any good though, you're still naked.
>>74487852
What the hell was the fire bombing of Dresden?
They brought it on themselves, just like the Germans did.
>>74494909
Yeah, after Unit 734 total annihilation of Japs wasn't even a immoral decision.
>>74495133
>A war crime.
>>74493128
>>74494902
>>74495003
>>74487852
Good thing the japs on this board are 12-16 year olds. These threads would have made me commit sudoku.
>>74495203
That troll line should really begin at the OP, since that faggot makes these threads daily and they're all for the (you)s
>>74487852
>he posts the same thread with the same pictures day after day just for (you)s
Now that's dedication
>>74489046
So never?
>>74495351
Truth 5351's speak
>Invading a meat grinder of an island full of cult level nationalist who would rather throw themselves off a cliff (Okinawa) with their children or charge into your lines with bayonets and explosives while the soviets come down from the north where you could meet and possibly get into another war in the middle after 4 long years and hundreds of thousands of American lives already lost.
>or you could nuke them and end it in a week
>>74494818
Nah, you just want to shit post.
The nuking of Japan prevented an invasion that would've been costly on both sides with D-Day 2: Pacific Boogaloo ending in yet another bloodbath.
This doesn't even factor in a civilian population that was literally throwing themselves off of cliffs because of how deeply indoctrinated they were.
At the end of the day, the total cost of a conventional battle for Japan would've ended with more deaths than those two bombs and we'd most likely end up with a split Japan to go with a divided Germany
is japan not going to apologize for their crimes?
>>74488000
First post best post.
Anyway Blockades easily killed 10x as many people, extremely slowly and painfully, through starvation than those 2 bombs did.
Also Churchill killed over 3million Bangalese for absolutely no fucking reason. So why not go cuck yourself for that one first OP.
>>74487852
>I think everyone can agree that it was a war crime
>people bring up legitimate Japanese War Crimes saying they need to apologize first
>somehow not relevant to the conversation
Kys OP
>>74489162
Babbys first troll I guess
>>74487852
No. England should apologise for being beta.
>>74495351
>>74495353
Are you me?
>>74495526
I never understand why you people use this as argument. It just showcases how incompetent your army is.
Furthermore, the japs didn't surrender because of the nukes. It left them unimpressed.
>>74495779
Synchronous shitpost-senses, comes with years of exposure to weapons-grade nonsense like OP
>>74487852
Japan wouldn't have unconditionally surrendered otherwise.
The only offer they made was pretty much a "we're sorry :(" card, where they get to keep their military and empire.
We would have to BURN EVERY CITY TO THE GROUND.
What is worse, two really big bombs that obliterate two cities and makes the japs shit their pants? Or us napalm striking every single city they have until they just keep coming at us with sticks and rocks?
Every single city they had were made out of wood and paper. All we needed to do to take out those cities would be to send a single squad of bombers and they would be wiped out. They didn't have a navy left. And they would never give up any other way.
Also
>Implying japan didn't get out of trouble for war crimes by surrendering to us
Oh man those two bombs in the middle of a war is such a HUGE war crime compared to rape.
>>74487852
>ho had no chance to flee or take shelter.
Except for the weeks of leaflets warning them.
But yeah, other than being bombarded with warnings for several weeks with millions of pieces of paper falling from the sky, they had no warning.
>>74488751
The eternal anglo strikes again. Tells Americans they should apologize for preventing a genocide every surrounding country wanted to see happen when his country purged and genocided a third of the world, fuck those Tazmainians amirite op?
>>74496086
You just explained all reasons why the nukes were unnecessary and a warcrime.
>>74495779
>>74495929
Neither of you are used to seeing someone serious here that doesn't go with the /pol/ hive mind so I don't blame you for thinking I'm trolling. I amn't though, I have read up a lot on Hiroshima and think it was a fucking disgrace and just want to remind people of that so that just maybe it chips away at the rampant American exceptionalism and belief of infallibility here. Regardless of what you think my motives are, you can't honestly deny that that situation exists here can you?
>>74495827
Beach storming is always brutal because the enemy only has to defend in one direction, forward.
You could drop paratroopers to fuck things up but they'd have to fight through flak and not get lost before they could do anything.
The pacific front was nothing but beach storming and the cost of it got to the point where we actually began skipping nonessential islands because it wasn't worth the resources or troops.
Finally, the nukes didn't need to impress the people, although it helps, they just needed to impress their leaders.
And if those leaders hadn't given up, I bet you that we'd have kept nuking until they either stopped or there was nothing left to bomb
>>74496361
(You)
>1945, Japanese pushed back to the mainland
>Allied powers take back all Japanese occupied islands
>Soviet union has taken Korea
>China and India have reclaimed China
>December 2, 1945: the invasion of Japan has begun
>the Soviets attack from the north
>America and Australia from the south
>China and India right in the middle
>24/7 bombing raids Killing every militant and civilian near by
>tens of thousands of allied and soviet lives lost on the initial beach invasions
>every city in Japan a glass parking lot
>any japs still alive suicide in the millions
>after the Japanese are nearly WIPED OUT the invasion of Japan is finally over
>tensions rise as soviet and American powers clash in who claims the new Japan
>Soviets rape and turn north Japan into communist N.Japan
> it's now 1960 soviet nukes placed at the North/South Japan border
> now all of Asia if communist and nuclear war follows
Yeah great idea not dropping the A bombs Fucking weeb
>>74489069
Hey, that video was interesting, thanks.
>>74496576
I don't know what history books you guys get in high school but it might come as surprise to you but there was never a land invasion going to happen. The soviets had already declared war on Japan and Japan had literally no millitary left and no chance at all to do anything about the soviets invading. The two nukes were just a testing ground and complete unnecessary.
>>74496707
Just spider bomb this fags thread
>>74487852
they were warned. they got bombed. they were warned again. they got bombed again.
if youre so mad about some cities getting bombed, how come you arent upset about the firebombing of every single other city in japan prior to nagasaki and hiroshima? its because you dont actually care about the issue
>>74496425
>>74496518
>>74496639
The faster you realize that sometimes you were "the baddies" too and aren't infallible the faster these type of threads stop. I am sick of the American exceptionalism in /pol/ and am determined to try and chip away at it.
>>74496630
Retard. The US didn't have plans to do a ground invasion. The deal was that the Soviets do the job, hence why the soviets declared war on the japs.
>>74496953
The point is having a Soviet Japan would have meant nuclear war in 20 years
>>74494145
So this is actually about you having an axe to grind with America? We know we're not perfect, but honestly, the Second World War was maybe the last time we were the clear cut "good guys" and fuck you for trying to take that away from us.
Also the Japanese deserved every bomb and many more. Same thing I said last thread, and I'll continue to say it. The Bombs were justified because they saved American lives, and that's all that matters, period.
They started it. One should never regret victory. Too bad, get over it.
Also, we narrowly beat germany & russia to development and deployment of nukes. So it was either us or them......buncha pacifist whiney ass hats care about this....
I think italy should apologize for civilizing the ancient world....
They should thank us. Imagine how much longer the war would have dragged on if not for LB and FM. Ever hear of the frog in boiling water? Well, that's just it. We turned up the heat and Japan surrendered. Conventional weapons and methods would have been a slow and painful death for both sides. It was strength and humility that we uses those bombs. To apologist now would your brand of Political Correctness and Hatred of America at it's best under the guise of strength and humility.
>>74496953
You're objectively wrong. Look up Operation Downfall, retard.
>>74496639
APOLOGIZE NOW
>>74488589
>You're weak! YOU ARE WEAK! WHAAA WHAAA!! APOLOGIZE! PLEASE APOLOGIZE YOU WEAK MAN! PLEASE!!! WHAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MUH FEELINGS
>>74496707
You Have To Apologize.
>>74496847
We are responsible for many more atrocities desu , you don't see Brits apologies for past troubles on here ,why should the based Americans
>>74496639
Every time this thread ends, it is carefully folded and reposted. To date, this has happened thousands of times, resulting in the toughest thread imaginable, able to slice through any forum without effort.
>>74487852
quit reposting this thread, shill
>>74496749
A land invasion would've had to have happened otherwise you'd just end up with Japan becoming a larger version of North Korea, isolated but still there.
Next up, Japan did still have an army because it's their homeland, its their navy that had been left in pieces.
And it's nice that the soviets declared war but an invasion would've had to have happened otherwise it's just everyone sitting around Japan and not doing anything.
The use of the bombs served as a convenient way to end the war and test a new weapon without all the bloodshed that would've come with an invasion
why are lefty cucks so obsessed with apologising for shit that happened before any of us were ever born and we had nothing to do with?
>>74496847
You know what you pathetic nu-male faggot? I'm glad the Americans scorched two Japanese cities with the fires of the atom. Do some fucking research about what the Japanese Empire did to British prisoners for a second. Or tens of millions of innocent civilians from the Solomons to Mongolia. Rape of Nanking mean anything to you?
Incinerating the headquarters of the Imperial Japanese Navy and a major IJA staging ground was a small price to pay for the abominations they wreaked on Asia.
>>74496953
>he wanted the Japanese to be raped and murdered in the millions by the soviets
At least they wouldn't have to apologize for Nanking, this would have been much worse
>>74496361
>just maybe it chips away at the rampant American exceptionalism and belief of infallibility here
What country do you think you're talking about here m8?
>>74496847
You, like all the rest of the haters, underestimate the resolve of us Americans. We'll resist you just to spite you, even if we're wrong (and we're not, just to be clear). Does that sound familiar? You seem jealous because your country is irrelevant and ours is the center of the universe.
We know we arent perfect or always the good guys. We still think we're the best, deal with it.
>The British expressed outrage at Germany's use of poison gas at Ypres but responded by developing their own gas warfare capability
APOLOGISE UK
>>74496953
>The US didn't have plans to do a ground invasion.
Why would you post something as silly as this?
>>74487852
i'll tell you what you little SJW shit.
my grandfather would have been on the front lines and probably killed in the invasion of japan that was guaranteed to happen if we didn't nuke the shit out of the nips.
i personally will not apologize for my grandfather surviving, thus keeping my family line, thus allowing me to be born.
if i met you i would gut you where you stand you lilly livered shitbag.
>>74496847
>I am sick of the American exceptionalism in /pol/
Feel free to leave any time, nobody's holding you here and frankly I don't think there's a single anon who values your presence or """input"""
The only events that happened during WWII that deserve apologies are the Rape of Nanking and the 100k Russian slaughter.
Asians do not give up in battle. The two atomic bombings were sort of like putting down a puppy that's suffering. Yeah it's a hard decision and causes death but it's also merciful and prudent.
>>74488589
Fucking english libtard
>>74497169
>the Second World War was maybe the last time we were the clear cut "good guys" and fuck you for trying to take that away from us.
It is fucking stupid to try and define the 5 year cluster fuck that was the second world war as a single black and white event. All major factions committed war crimes and all of them should apologize for them, our government should apologize for Dresden for example. It doesn't make sense to say "We fought the evil dictator that did the holocaust, we are the good guys!" when you also dropped a fucking nuke on a civilian population center. You HAVE to take the good with the bad, it is the logical thing to do. Overall, we were "the good guys" but that doesn't mean that we are just absolved of the crimes we committed in the name of victory and we sure as fuck don't get to take the moral high ground.
>>74487852
Why these faggoty threads every day? War crime? Eat a dick bitch.
>>74497771
>my grandfather
I was really expecting "fell out of a guard tower" here. Disappointed.
>>74497842
t. uneducated nigger.
if only we could nuke you too.
>>74496847
>Tryingcto tell a burger that they aren't the greatest country on earth.
Bonglander please, you are arguably better off hitting your head against a real wall because that's where real progress can be made.
>>74497842
>all of them should apologies
As but really only USA ? Is that what you're saying?
>>74497949
>give a legitimate answer
>/pol/ is disappointed its not maymays all the way down
of course it is.
>>74489169
flyers were dropped from planes i believe.
>>74487852
As soon as Japan apologizes for and acknowledges it's own war crimes.
THE UNITED KINGDOM USED GAS IN WW1
APOLOGISE
THE UNITED KINGDOM KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AT THE BOMBING OF HAMBURG GERMANY
APOLOGISE
APOLOGISE
>>74497842
>our government should apologize for Dresden for example.
No we shouldn't. Fuck the krauts. If they didn't want their cities burned to the ground they shouldn't have invaded Poland and Czechoslovakia and Denmark and Norway and Yugoslavia and Greece and Belgium and the Netherlands and Luxembourg and the USSR.
Cry some fucking more.
>>74498085
thats cause hes a muzzie shit that is still assmad we rightfully made the middle east a wasteland.
>>74498086
You answer wasn't legitimate. Your answer was as daft as any in this thread, especially with that toughguy "gut you where you stand" piffle.
>>74498218
Wait.
>apologize
Yank with a proxy detected.
>>74487852
if we hadn't dropped it the japanese would have probably won that front.
that being the case, cannot apologize, i feel it would be insulting to them, also, can't wait for trump to get their own military back up and going again, they'll be developing moon lasers and gundams in no time. best allies ever.
>>74497454
A best Japan would have probably not happened. It would have just been corporated into the soviet union.
Their millitary was totally crippled.
The only thing the japanese emperor cared was the soviet declaration of war. Their immediate surrender came after that and not after the two nukes.
>The use of the bombs served as a convenient way to end the war and test a new weapon without all the bloodshed that would've come with an invasion
Using "no bloodshed" and "nuking civilians" in one sentence doesn't make sense
>>74498301
t. betacuck
go back to your wife and your wifes son maymay hunter.
>>74498318
I have an auto-correct extension and it only supports the American dictionary.
>>74487852
Apologize for abandoning Singapore, you yeasty bong cunt.
>>74487852
They did, years after the war ended.
Meanwhile, they still haven't apologized about Nanking.
>>74487852
STOP POSTING THIS YOU FUCKING CUNT NOBODY GIVES A FUCK
>>74489169
leaflets were dropped from planes
>>74498524
are you one of those cu.cks who loathe brit cock like hongkong?
>>74498495
>it only supports the American dictionary
You want us to apologize for that too?
It was Japs' responsibility to stop it from happening.
Get fucked.
USA USA USA
>>74498419
*no American bloodshed
Is that better for you? Why should you care about the lives of your enemy the same as your own in total war?
>>74498431
You're not the only fella with grandparents in WW2. Those that respect their service typically don't use it for internet dickwaving purposes.
>>74498649
>>74498845
and you are a fucking stupid betacuck moron, i think we can agree to disagree here.
>>74498719
Evern during the most barbaric wars in history, they were battles where civilians were not to be harmed with. The nuking in 45 was specifically aimed at civilian areas, which is why OP's point is right.
The only thing I'm sorry about is not having more nukes to drop on them.
>>74498964
>civilian areas
Either I'm being baited or you don't know what your talking about
>>74498850
>That's right anon post pics when you have run out of words
Don't think all Brits are like this muzzi degenerate /pol
>>74487852
War is war. It's filled to the brim with nasty shit that is done so that one side can claim victory. To imply that there should be some sort of rule of law during a war is fucking retarded, puts your people at a higher chance of losing, and is naive beyond the wildest stretches of imagination.
There are no rules. There are no laws. Just a winner and a loser. We won, and we had to do some nasty shit to win. But it doesn't matter. Because we fucking won.
Also, apologizing to a defeated enemy is some top-tier cuck shit. Just be glad some men were willing do what was necessary to win so your bitch ass didn't have to. Get on with your life, and be happy that the Burgers didn't decide to use the Bomb to create a global hegemony in the few years that followed WWII.
>>74499121
More specifically: civilians
sure, in wars, civilians get harmed too but not in a deliberate intentional way. But if that happens, that's what you call a warcrime
>>74487852
How to avoid getting nuked
1) Don't fuck with America
>>74499180
I remember 2014/2015 anon, I know the true value of Brits and their courage in the face of oblivion.
>>74494290
revisionist kike detected.
the Japanese believed we had thousands more of them ready to go and figuratively crapped their pants after the second one dropped. With that idea in their head, they knew they couldn't win.
They also knew that if it came to a land invasion that the US and the Soviets would show absolutely no mercy, particularly after having seen the destruction at Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>74498950
Given your earlier complaints about the quality of posts on /pol/, I'm surprised at your own.
Show your grandad your "gut you where you stand" post. Watch his face as he reads it.
>with no warning
>NO WARNING
>N O
>O
>W A R N I N G
>A R N I N G
>R N I N G
>N I N G
>I N G
>N G
>G
>>74487852
It was drop nukes or drop boots into Japanese mainland. Take a guess at which is less US casualties.
>>74499330
There were civilians at Pearl Harbor, will they apologize?
>>74487852
stop making these threads
>>74488589
>Britan lecturing anyone on being weak
>>74499502
Pearl harbor was a millitary outpost, no? Or a civilian city?
>>74497327
i apologize for not making op suck my dick every day.
>>74489169
Don't dodge the issue.
We warned you 2 times, in your own language.
>>74498419
No bloodshed does not equal 'without the bloodshed'
Furthermore, the day of the second nuke and the soviet union's formal declaration of war are the same day, making it impossible to discern which was the true cause unless we dig up Hirohito and ask his corpse what one did it.
And that's assuming the answer isn't 'Fuck, America can blow up cities with their new bomb and Russia's on us now, let's call it."
And as far as saying what the 'real' cause was, American books are going to say we won, your books are going to say it's the soviets, making the point moot because it turns into a giant fight of me going 'Nuh uh' and you going 'Yeah huh!'
>>74487852
That was 70 years ago. You want my apology? I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT YOU-YOU....
dumbass
>>74487852
Hey anon you should apologize to me for what your dead great grandfather said about my dead great grand father before i was even born.
>>74490168
>All those uses of where instead of were
Valid points but Jesus fucking christ, learn to speak proper English
>>74499571
It is a military port with a civilian city right next to it.
>>74499571
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no military outposts or factory's or ports
Serious question, why would we apologize for not having to slaughter their entire population? Do you guys honestly think dropping the bombs killed more people than a land invasion of Japan would have?
>>74499670
We can have a glimpse into what really scared the shit out of Hirohito:
quote
>Until August 9, Japan's war council still insisted on its four conditions for surrender. On that day Hirohito ordered Kōichi Kido to "quickly control the situation ... because the Soviet Union has declared war against us."
>>74499860
I mean I actually agee with your point but you should have chosen a better example than pearl harbor because it was actually a millitary target
>>74487852
unit 731
>>74499180
I can still have banter with someone I disagree with, that is part of the nature of /pol/
>>74489191
Oh goody, a shitposting hat. All is forgiven then
>>74499860
That's a fucking lie. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major manufacturing and distribution hubs. I know the US doesn't (and didn't ever) give a fuck, but those targets were chosen for a reason.
>Go read a fucking book.
>>74487852
Fuck you
>>74500042
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were targets due to military arms production and bases. There's a reason we didn't just nuke Tokyo.
>>74500042
A military target with civilians that were killed with no prior warning. At least the Us dropped notes to the Japanese before hand
>>74500281
I was pointing that out. That's what the > was for
>>74497842
>War crimes create "bad guys"
>Implying doing anything and everything to win a brutal war somehow is wrong or unjust
See, you're thinking about war like its a soccer (u mad?) game, where the rules matter. Sure, there is a standard of conduct that often determines the ways in which a war is executed (and the Axis Powers without fail violated ALL of them, you twit), but when you are NOT the aggressor, you kind of have free-reign to do what must be done to not lose, and that means bombing the shit out of your enemies. That's just war. Germany and Japan started an aggressive war of conquest and got their shit slapped. That's war. I'm not ashamed of my Southern ancestors fighting against the Union and I sure as shit am not ashamed of my grandpa who caught the Japs. Fuck you and your weak anti-western outlook you holier-than-thou puke.
>>74500281
>>74500443
>>74500475
I disagree. Hiroshima and nagasaki were chosen because they were ones of the last major cities left which had a considerable number of civilians left. Everything else was already firebombed. A smaller target wouldn't have had shockvalue.
>>74500443
Yeah, you had already firebombed it to shit and wanted a pristine city that hadn't been touched by bombing raids yet so you could measure the destruction of your new toy.
>>74500605
This
2 BOMBS WEREN'T ENOUGH
FUCK THOSE LITTLE YELLOW SLANT EYED NIPNONG PRICKS
>Demanding an apology for ending a war that would have cost hundreds of thousands of more lives
>Ignoring japan's butchering of China and Korea
Why bitch about nuking them when they were just chucking them all to death at the U.S's navy anyway
>>74500767
>>Ignoring japan's butchering of China and Korea
Question
Was it the japanese civilian people who did this?
Stop posting these lame ass threads you fgt.
>>74497195
>Also, we narrowly beat germany & russia to development and deployment of nukes
You're only half right there
>Americans had tinkered with rockets and nukes for years
>Couldn't get them to work
>Hitler pulled the plug on the work and told them to stop when it was almost at completion
>Scientists defect to the USA and work together, showing them where they've been going wrong
>"America" invents nukes
>Russia still can't get them to work
>Takes a traitorous American spy who sold secrets to the Russians to show them how they work
Really it just shows how the traitor truly is the plague.
>>74500911
Did the Chinese and Koreans do anything?
>>74500605
Pretty successful tests I'd say, the world is STILL holding its collective breath for the next one to be dropped.
>>74487852
We should nuke you a third time for creating anime you jap fags
>>74500575
and people also disagree about there being more than two genders.
Just because you disagree doesn't mean you are right.
>>74501021
These are the new 'Native American, makes you think' threads
>>74501116
And most Americans here disagree that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes
Just because you disagree doesn't mean you are right.
>>74487852
>I have watched many documentaries on what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Justifiably.
>and I think everyone can agree that it was a war crime
A justifiable one.
>It instantly killed a hundred thousand innocent people who had no chance to flee or take shelter.
Justifiably.
>Those that survived were inflicted with debilitating injuries.
Justifiably.
>Put aside your pride and apologize for what you know was a terrible act, to do so shows strength and humility, if you even have any left.
Nah, you just have nuke envy. I'm sorry.
Never. They deserved it
>>74500911
What did Chinese and Korean civilians do? But oh well, we should have just let them kill, torture, rape and bomb all they liked. You're right my bad, no tough decisions should ever be made to end a war right?
>>74501338
first define war crimes. define them in such a way that there is no wiggle room. then get every country to ever exist together in the same room to apologize. finally enjoy the mega gay creampies that will take place for centuries after in said room by said countries.
>>74501338
Exactly,
Others and I have posted our evidence saying why it was necessary and you've simply responded by plugging your ears and not posting evidence.
>>74501338
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes
So?
>>74501338
Oh fuck, got us there mate. It's not like the exact same logic could be be applied to your argument.
>>74487852
Serious question, does anyone on this board even care about hiroshima/nagasaki ?
I for one do not, I even think that it's a shame the Atom Bomb isn't used anymore...
It would stop so many conflicts...
Well for a start, countries without the bomb would fucking keep in line.
and for second, less towel heads would be alive today.
