Dear White men ( and non blacks) of /pol/,
1. Why is it that Non-whites who consider themselves European, American, etc are not considered American/European by their white peers if they integrate? At what point does identity with a nation and cultures of that nation transcend ethnic boundaries?
#2. How can you be libertarian, yet also be a nationalist who supports specific government agendas designed to treat or hinder minorities in certain ways?
#3 - Interracial marriage - Is the concept of a man and woman loving each other and making a family - even if said family is not of same racial background "wrong" ? if you believe this to be so, please elaborate
#4: As a Black male, I am against mass immgration because it is always used as a tool to displace my people from a socioeconomic standpoint, however i'm starting to see this affect not just blacks but others, as competition for resources/money/life becomes far more complex. Do you think we will reach a point where we have "stretched ourselves too thin?"if so, why doesn't the government take this into account?
Sincerely thank you for your time,
A Black man.
nigger
>>74467920
cool, now that we have that out of way, can you answer my questions?
or is /pol/ not a place to discuss politics anymore?
>>74467824
East Asians have a non-learnable biological advantage in IQ.
Africans have a non-learnable biological advantage in short-term physical prowess.
Whites gave the world law. Laws from outside the white world are nothing but fiat demands from bandits. Furthermore, the white advantage is not biological. It is learnable, and is not more widespread because of the corruption and pettiness of nonwhites.
Almost all nonwhites have mafia-like structures and take for granted that violent, corrupt tribalism is how the world works. When they come to a white country and see social institutions that actually function, they don't believe it or they think everyone else is crazy.
>>74467824
Libertarianism (and, indeed, almost everything) depends on homogeneity and borders.
>>74468108
All /pol/ is good for is taking the shortcut to the endgame
Its the fucking Jews
GAS THE BAD KIKES
RACE WAR IS COMING EVENTUALLY
>>74468108
In Canada u will be fully integrated. That is you'll be a Canadian regardless of ethnicity
>>74468391
Homogeniety - I see that used a lot on this board.
Countries like the UK, US. France, etc were always countries that intermingled with other races and also imported them. Thus making a non-homogenous society by their own design. Wouldn't be an easier paradigm shift if it was something everyone can get behind?
>>74467824
Interracial marriage has an awful track record and is getting heavily pushed by Jews, which by itself damns it. That said it is theoretically sound and I not only approve of specific, well-done examples, but think about doing it all the time.
If the Jew media all pushed breathing air at the same time, the way every depiction of a heterosexual relationship in every commercial and tv show nudges mixing, but the Jews unapologetically reject mixing for themselves, then it's time to buy a gas mask.
You want to understand Jews in a hurry, read the Milo Minderbinder character in Joseph Heller's Catch-22.
>>74468613
This is what I mean by homogeneity.
You're a libertarian.
Your buds are libertarians.
You have a libertarian society.
With no borders, because liberty!
I'm a personality cult totalitarian dictator and I order thity thousand of my most loyal followers to get citizenship in your libertarian society.
Now you not only no longer are not a libertarian society, you also lost everuthing else and might be dead or imprisoned in your own country.
A society is like a dance. We have to be in step to some extent. Open borders means an unscheduled battle of the bands.
Probably a disinformation thread but I'll bite.
Regardless of your ability to "integrate," the vast majority of Africans are not as intelligent or willing as you may be, dumbing down the population. This is the most important factor.
Even if they were, mixing the races destroys ethnic identity. For example, in European countries such as Sweden and Germany, at the current rate, those countries will be mostly black, Arab, and mixed within a few decades. There will be not much of a unique German or Swedish ethnicity left, and one less factor binding a group together nationally.
Furthermore, why should we as whites, westerners, bend down and over for you and other blacks and sacrifice our genetics, and complimentary, our culture and nationality for the sake of making YOU feel more welcome? Can you not simply bring civilization to Africa? Surely your desire alone to integrate to a society that is not native to you proves quite a bit.
>>74468108
1) Integration is a very tough question. For example here, in Spain, we have two kinds of muslims. The ones that do integrate and the ones that don't. The ones that don't end up rejecting the population and start colonising schools and entire neighbourhoods, so the spaniards end up feeling out of place.
2) I am not libertarian. Spain has socialist traits, like the rest of Europe, and Iike it this way. Even if it is true that a welfare state breeds lazyness I think it has a positive impact.
3) No problem. At all.
4) The problem with democracy is that the politicians have to decide between doing what is best for the people and what for the people want, which is often not what its best for them. So they end up agreeing to mass immigration, like in Germany, to make sure the immigrates vote their political party and secure themselves more years in the gvt. And yes, /pol is a place of political discussion, but trumpfags and newfags tend to lower the level of discussion in the board. >>74467920
I'm America if you follow the law, don't beg for handouts, and pay your taxes you are viewed as an American regardless of where you come from or what your skin color is. This is the least racist nation on Earth, until you start acting like a nigger and start trying to disrupt our society and change our culture.
So whoever made this thread is an idiot and most likely a nigger.
>>74467824
Don't know about Europe, but they're considered American at least. America wasn't founded on an ethnic or national basis. I'm pretty sure Teddy Roosevelt said people of any race could become Americans so long as they set aside previous loyalties and only committed to America.
Whereas in Europe, most of the national boundaries and such were created by ethnic and national conflicts.
Dear White men ( and non blacks) of /pol/,
1. Why is it that Non-whites who consider themselves European, American, etc are not considered American/European by their white peers if they integrate? At what point does identity with a nation and cultures of that nation transcend ethnic boundaries?
If you look at it from merely a culture standpoint, then you get this question. But if you look at it from a Dances with Wolves standpoint (in which a white man integrates with a Native American tribe) then you realize that integration and assimilation never equals ethnicity. How much of an Indian does Kevin Costner ever really become? How How African can whites living in South Africa ever become? Will you EVER be Japanese, as a black man, if you yourself immigrate to Japan, learn the language, and integrate? Assimilation is far more than about culture-ethnicity is important in the mix, and assimilation does not take place without breeding into the host society for several generations.
#2. How can you be libertarian, yet also be a nationalist who supports specific government agendas designed to treat or hinder minorities in certain ways?
Whites are the global minority. I think if you're honest you'll see that right now, major hindering is done to whites, even in the US, to displace them with other ethnicities and races EVEN in their OWN countries. If you're honest, you'll admit they are under genocide. If you're honest, you'll see any hindering done to minorities such as yourself, is by liberal politics that want to keep you down and voting for them. I think I have to look out for my own people just like you have to look out for your own.
>>74467824
1. Never
2. /pol/ is not a monolithic block. All politically incorrect ideas are welcomed. That includes libertarian and racialist states. Personally, I would be happy if the state simply stopped transferring the wealth created by the white man to minorities through welfare programs to artificially maintain the multicultural ideology
3. Because it leads to the destruction of the white race. I don't blame you for not wanting to perpetuate your race since it is the shitiest, but whites actually have something worth it to defend.
4. Oh your "starting to see" immigration is bad? You really are a dumb nigger. The purpose of immigration has always been to import cheap labor and to destroy social cohesion in a country in order to make said country easily manipulable by pushing races against each other.
>>74467824
>if they integrate
Or if they bring a rainbow farting unicorn?
>>74469058
OP Here:
1. The mixing of races has always been done at a near negligible impact to whatever group is in the dominant society ( i.e German, Swedish,)
2. What actually accelerates the disappearance of the native culture and persons is the rate of immigration from non similar countries. Sweden, Germany are going down not because they are marrying or fucking brown people, it's because they are just letting a mass of brown people in while not replenishing their own ranks. I doubt race-mixing/marriage is doing any meaningful damage to the indigenous population and culture. Since for every marriage there are like 2,000 immigrants.
#3: To my knowledge the requests have been to just stop the blatant shit - i.e police brutality, draconic laws, etc - that doesn't require you to bend over - just chill out.
>>74469224
F.O.B redditor
>>74469269
God bless America. Empire when? Annex us before the Ruskies do please.
>>74467824
as a white man, I agree with everything you said, except, dam I hate niggers. Since you're able to articulate those ideas, you are probably not a nigger and simply a black american (african american is retarded)
>>74469446
Dear White men ( and non blacks) of /pol/,
#3 - Interracial marriage - Is the concept of a man and woman loving each other and making a family - even if said family is not of same racial background "wrong" ? if you believe this to be so, please elaborate
this goes back to the push to push whites out of existence. If you are honest with yourself, you'd see that is a current global agenda. We are being outbred. Believe me, I am a fool for love and support wherever it occurs, but it can and should happen naturally without the PUSH for interbreeding that is occurring.
#4: As a Black male, I am against mass immgration because it is always used as a tool to displace my people from a socioeconomic standpoint, however i'm starting to see this affect not just blacks but others, as competition for resources/money/life becomes far more complex. Do you think we will reach a point where we have "stretched ourselves too thin?"
YES! And we HAVE here in America. Millions of people out of work, yet they bring more in. Healthcare costs skyrocketing even under Obamacare, and yet they bring more people in. Part of the above agenda to displace, outbreed and outvote whites.
if so, why doesn't the government take this into account?
Because minorities keep voting democrat in spite of being made slaves to welfare. As a group, minorities vote for the people who give them free stuff. The immigrants keep people in power, in power. Civil unrest makes it easy to control a people, keep them distracted from agenda and real issues. Imagine if Americans..black and white...got together to force government to do OUR will and keep illegal immigrants out. They can't have that.
EU countries have white ways of life and long traditions and white cultures. We are seeing them collapse with too many immigrants who can not assimilate without interbreeding for several generations. We WILL see Sweden collapse in the next few years under its foolishness.
>>74467824
>1. Why is it that Non-whites who consider themselves European, American, etc are not considered American/European by their white peers if they integrate?
Says who? Delusional /pol/acks?
I consider myself just as white as americans, frogs, slavs and even chinks/japs.
The only real outsiders are niggers and muslims because most don't integrate.
>#2. How can you be libertarian, yet also be a nationalist who supports specific government agendas designed to treat or hinder minorities in certain ways?
Hindering or threatening minorities just because? Hell no.
If they don't integrate, ask for special gibsmedats, try to appeal to white guilt, etc. Then they should be throughly BTFO'd.
>#3 - Interracial marriage - Is the concept of a man and woman loving each other and making a family - even if said family is not of same racial background "wrong" ?
Not per se, but depends on what the kid identifies with it could bring more social divisions.
You see 2nd and 3rd generation muslims in europe and many times they're just as bad as the rapefugees.
>Do you think we will reach a point where we have "stretched ourselves too thin?
Of course.
Isn't sweden close to that? Also look at London, Brussels, Paris, Berlin, Stockholm, malmo.
1. You are considered American if you integrate. But most non-whites don't. They consider their heritage, ethnicity, or even just skin-color(in the case of blacks) more important than their being American.
2. I'm a libertarian who is a nationalist because my country was built, more than any other country, on libertarian values. Our founding fathers were against almost every corrupt practice today like power of the fed/IRS and things like corporate bailouts, and they designed the Constitution to make it so every citizen would be as liberated as possible. However, they also understood that to do so would also mean protecting themselves from opportunistic outsiders, and also included a clause to ban certain types of immigration should they be deemed a threat to the citizens.
3.It's putting yourself first before putting your kids first. You'll see the term "degeneracy" thrown around on this board a lot, and all it really amounts to is that a civilized society is built on certain patterns of restrictive public behavior. This has absolutely nothing to do with government at all, however. This is a matter of church not state, which were designed to be separate.
4. I think I explained this already, that yes the government has the power to restrict immigration that is considered harmful to the citizens, since George Washington. The liberals dont take this into account because they've turned the matter into a "race card" to garner them hispanic votes, like Republicans have turned birth control and evolution into a "belief card" to garner them votes. Both are bad and harmful to the country but they don't care because they're just trying to secure votes.
>>74469568
By "mixing of the races" in Sweden and Germany, im assuming you mean the merging and amalgamation of European tribes such as the Geats, Saxons, Teutons -- whatever have you. I should not even have to mention that these were NOT separate races, but the point remains even if they were. A Swedish and German identity has been established since then, and race mixing a group from an entirely different race undermines this identity, in a way with virtually no benefits at all except more varied restaurants.
It's ONLY police brutality to you because you have a bias. Maybe the police would not be "brutal," or have undergone a mass militarization of blacks actually obeyed the law, and did not insist upon being the victims of society at all times. Even if that were not the case, making compromises for an alien nationality who disobey our laws, take more in welfare than they even give in taxes, are inferior genetically for only THEIR benefit is quite literally non-meme cuckold behavior. Be a smart black man and bring your own race out of poverty on your home continent if all people are truly made equal and able to live together.
Quite simply, we value preserving our race. It sounds cringey, and there are a lot of autists, shills, trolls, redditors and children on 4chan nowadays, but their is truly nothing wrong with viewing your ethnic makeup under a lense of self-preservation.
>>74467920
FPBP
>>74469574
Been on /pol since Obama's 2nd term started. I'm just not part of the hivemind
>>74470559
Yeah, and you also go on Reddit. Your mentality screams you love making argumentative compromises to seem open-minded and clever
>>74469269
The moment you refuse to integrate and begin disrupting society and disrespecting American culture, Americans will despise you and become incredibly "racist". Don't act like a nigger and you can be just as American as any other American.
>>74470716
I dont go to plebbit, but yeah I consider myself as someone who is open minded. But why would I brag about this on a fucking anonymous taiwanese image board? Here being open minded is being wrong so there is nothing to brag about. Besides, the fact that I am able to write more than 2 sentences it's not me bragging about being clever. It's just me trying to have some discussion. Even if you are unable to, it doesnt mean that everybody is
>>74470369
To add, these four guys in these videos are 100% Americans in my book, because supporting Donald Trump as a black man means you're fighting against the narrative for the good of the nation and your own future rather than the cheap immediate returns the Dems promise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIdHNiYH0-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uin_fwCkLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7rdeAmSZMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nULpxdSI7jU
>>74467824
1.- Identity with a nation trascends when a person or group has fully integrated into the new society, usually after one or two generations. That means speaking the language, embracing the culture and traditions and be a possitive member of its society. Ethnic differences don't trascend unless there's been a lot of mixing but you can still tell irish descent americans like Conan O'Brian from other americans who probably have also european ancestry. Still, white with different nationalities tend to integrate better with other whites due to homogeneity and lack of visual impact.
2.- Liberty only to the people that worked the land and culture I assume. Also nationalism doesn't want a nanny state but rather a state that focus on defense and preservation rather than managing the everyday life of its citizens. I'm not libertarian so this is my assumption.
3.- It's wrong in the sense that the conditions necessary for that to happen shouldn't have taken place. It also denotes disfranchisement towards your own collective. There can be a margin for error (as in two people from different races meet each other in some big event and that bonds them forever) but the implication of interracial relationships nowadays are more out of "how cool are we gonna look as a couple" or "I want chocolate kids" than "I fell in love with this person and I don't care what he looks like".
4.- I don't recognize the expression "to streech ourselves too thin". I can't answer this question.
Thank you for taking your time for bringing up an interest debate to /pol/
Hope it doesn't get shit posted to death if this is an honest conversation.
>>74469446
why is it that non-whites and trashy whites have loads of kids even in MEDCs? they know their kids won't die but they still make enough of them to cooperatively steal a car in 12 seconds flat. It can't be that they're trying to overpopulate the people that path the way for them; no ones that thick.
Please explain.
>>74471186
two sentences hmmm someone is so used to Reddit they don't know how ID's work, and really wants to seem like a smart little boy <3
>>74467824
1.) Nonwhites can be considered American. I don't know who told you otherwise.
2.) I am not a lolbertarian but I assume that they just want to preserve their laws regarding immigration.
3.) No, it's not wrong. I think it's gross and do not condone it and would not allow it in my family but to each their own.
4.) The government doesn't give a fuck about you.
>>74470467
#1 Mixing of the races would mean mixing of someone who's like mexican, african, asian etc. If this is done out of love because these people happen to live in that country - who are you to intercede? No one is forcing Swedish and Germans to marry these people.
#2: it is our right as black people to demand this, getting it done is a nother matter entirely. If yo udo not feel it is any American citizen's right to demand change then you need to re read the constitution, you cannot pull rank based on ethnicity when you already have laws in place that supercede ethnicity in the first place.
>>74471368
If it is just pushed all day every day, then that may be a cause for concern to the national identiity of the group in place.
Stereotyping every relationship simply because it is foreign to you however is not healthy and is quite the slipper slope.
>>74467920
first post best post
>>74473271
They are indoctrinated to do it. You are grasping at straws now. You may have the right to protest, but I don't have to agree with you, or that you should be, so maybe you should re-read our constitution or get a bit of reading comprehension, uppity nigger
>>74474105
Indorctination - i.e - seeing a famous black celeb who's with a white woman? lol c'mon now man that is not indoctrination in the slightest. If anything people are indoctrinated to be attracted to whites, because images. and media, of attractive whites permeate everything.
>>74472035
It is wrong, both sides are throwing away tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution.
>>74475081
Did I say black celebs? Look at media campaigns in Sweden, and the way they cover up crime in Getmany. If you're going to fight straw men we're done here.
>>74476407
Ok I see where you are going, no need to get upset anon. this is a discussion. I would argue that that is more a cause of Sweden and Germany's extremely liberal views.
By media campaigns - are you referring to film, ads, etc?
>>74476675
I think you just need to lurk more, m8. Their liberal views did not just appear on their own, successful nations did not simply decide they needed to be culturally enriched out of nowhere. The corrupt education systems, media, and governments of these countries are the causes. "Liberal views" is a blanket statement, which race mixing falls under. You are basically saying their liberal views on race mixing are a product of their liberal views.
Every so often an uppity nigger appears on pol and starts a thread like this, I should have just ignored it like usual. You all type the same way and resort to fighting straw men. pretty strange.
