>Ismail Pasha killed 2.5 million people
wew
The stats should include the size of the population they controled and the lenght of time they ruled.
>>74445329
>78 million
Is this literally every person who died in that period?
1. We actually fought Hitler.
2. He was right-wing.
So in the late/contemporary American socio-moral discourse it's "kind of a big deal".
The difference is that Zedong and Stalin didn't fuck with the Eternal Anglo
>>74445334
/thread
>>74445329
>what is directly targeting and killing people by the millions and what is people dying as a consequence of policy
What kind of propaganda is this?
Stalin and Mao's numbers are incredibly wrong.
When you look at the population charts for both of their countries, you see no decrease only increase. Same goes for Kim Il-sung.
>>74445329
One is the chosen people.
The others are not.
>>74445329
Wow. So many millions. How do they come up with these numbers?
>>74445339
R.J. Rummel meme magicks
http://rudyrummel.blogspot.ca/
>>74445333
No, he was not right wing.
>>74445341
>not right wing
wut
>>74445334
>what is the Cold War
>>74445341
>>74445342
Fascists love pretending that they're not right wing. I notice that communists never have a problem with admitting we're on the left.
>>74445343
>Fascists love pretending that they're not right wing
Yep, they think they're special "third position" snowflakes kek
>>74445343
I'm curious, what puts revolutionary collectivists like the fascists on the same side of the political spectrum as classical liberals?
>>74445343
I'm a reactionary and I see fascism as leftist as well.
>fascists don't consider themselves right wing
>right wingers don't consider fascism right wing
>but they are somehow right wing
>>74445346
just like how I can 'consider' myself a woman if I wear a dress, but I'm not one.
The people who say that are mostly retarded Americans who think right wing and conservative are the same
>>74445347
>ideologies are equivalent to biological sex
Off yourself.
>>74445348
>implying I said that
I get it friend, metaphors are hard sometimes
Mao and stalin didndu nuffin but that wasn't real communism and im anarcho democratic marxist!!!!!!!1118
>>74445349
It's a shitty analogy and you know it. Nationalism and socialism are both burgeoise enlightement ideologies, right wing is about doing a 180 on enlightement and going back to before 18th century.
Fascism literally strives to create a "new man" and a "new society", it's a progressive and not conservative ideology. Therefore it cannot be right wing.
>>74445351
That's conservatism. Right wing is a wider concept for a wide variety of things
>>74445349
Not him. But you did an outrageously retarded comparison. How is gender politics a fair comparison?
You've resorted to ad hominems by calling him retarded and implying he is one because he didn't took your analogy seriously (like anyone sane).
You can do better, I expect.
>>74445349
Not him. But you did an outrageously unrelated comparison. How is gender politics a fair example?
You've resorted to ad hominems by calling him retarded and implying he is one because he didn't took your analogy seriously (like anyone sane).
You can do better, I expect.
>>74445353
It's the concept behind it, that someone thinks they're one thing while being another.
>>74445342
>>74445343
Fascism is actually third position.
These guys >>74445345
>>74445346
get it.
Treaty of Westphalia.
>>74445345
>>74445346
>>74445356
Plenty of fascists incorporated leftist ideas (appeal to the working class was and is huge for fascists), and there were some fascists like the Strassers who were left on economic issues (though definitely not left on anything else). They've always been a minority within the broader movement, however.
Realistically a linear spectrum is a shitty way to describe politics, but I have a problem with fascists pretending they're a third position when the largest part of fascism has always been capitalist and reactionary.
>>74445358
>implying capitalism is incompatible with being a leftist
The left-right dichotomy existed before socialism.
>implying fascism is reactionary
lol
>>74445329
Both of those are bad things, anon.
>>74445329
Im pretty sure its not okay to kill anyone.
>>74445359
>The left-right dichotomy existed before socialism
But, since we now are in the current year, left and right mean different things than they did in the French Revolution.
>>74445359
>fascism
>promotes a return to mythologized cultural values
>not reactionary
>>74445329
>its another "the bourgeois media makes up numbers about stalin" episode
>>74445362
Fascism doesn't promote a return, it wants to create something new.
>>74445364
Fascist art, propaganda, and theory all disagree with you. Elements of past societies are lionized, while modern society is cast as degenerated, a shell of the past.
>>74445365
there's a difference between rebirth and reaction.
>>74445346
What is the source on that? I would like to keep reading. Please and thank you.
>>74445366
How?
>>74445365
>fascist art
This looks reactionary to you? lmao. Fascism is also tied to futurism which is as modernist as it gets.
>propaganda
Corporatism, nationalism, populism, those are all modernist ideas. Furthermore fascism originated in French national syndicalism which was a socialist, labor-oriented movement.
>>74445329
>there were 36 million deaths due to starvation, while another 40 million others failed to be born, so that "China's total population loss during the Great Famine then comes to 76 million.
What the fuck kind of logic is this? When did we start counting death tolls to include people who weren't born because their potential parents died before meeting each other?
>>74445369
That is in no way representative of fascist architecture, which deliberately invoked a Greco-Roman style.
>Corporatism, nationalism, populism, these are all modernist ideas.
Corporatism is, but nationalism predates modernism by at least a century and populism came about way before modernism.
>fascism originated in French national syndicalism
Fascism quickly distanced itself from any working-class roots it may have had; see the Night of Long Knives for the starkest example.
>>74445371
We're talking about fascism not nazism.
>>74445372
Nazis are fascists.
>>74445329
For once, it literally is the fault of the Jews
>>74445371
>Fascism quickly distanced itself from any working-class roots it may have had
That's not true at all. While the Night of the Long Knives may have done away with the SPD and other blatant fifth column movements, National Socialism still maintained its working-class roots. Nat Soc consistently tried to improve the German working classes living standard through work projects and altering the wage standard. To say it distanced itself because it removed commie is a stretch at the very least, more likely a purposeful misrepresentation.
>>74445358
I'd argue fascist states were all pretty left-wing economically
>>74445329
If that list has Mao going for 78 million, it should then have Hirohito going for 50 million because bloated numbers and unforeseen natural disasters are a valid measure of PURE EVIL.
>>74445378
>unforeseen natural disasters
>killing birds which eat pests
>collectivizing peasants away from fields into steel working
>both of the lead to famine and starve off your population
>not even counting the purges
>unforeseen natural disasters
Lad...
>>74445329
Honestly I keep wondering how Marxism is taken seriously and not shunned like fascism when we consider both its devisive, hateful nature and the death toll it always leaves in its wake.
>>74445369
>That is in no way representative of fascist architecture, which deliberately invoked a Greco-Roman style.
You're not wrong
>>74445379
The goal of those changes still wasn't to kill 78 million people.
>>74445382
The goal of Leopold II wasn't to kill fucking 15 million Congolese either. It was to get rubber. It doesn't matter. Their actions are directly responsible for the deaths attributed to them. Maos actions led to a famine that killed a shit ton of people. He also purged a shit ton of people for "capitalist roading" among other things. Spin it however you want, Mao killed those people.
>>74445383
I wasn't demonizing Leopold II.
Most of the deaths of the Chinese famine were caused by officials overreporting their food production. The deaths of millions in the Belgian Congo was caused by overworking, inter-tribal killing, etc.
The Chinese deaths were due to ignorance. The Belgian Congo deaths were due to indifference.
>>74445384
>The Chinese deaths were due to ignorance. The Belgian Congo deaths were due to indifference
Yet both of these were directly responsible for the deaths. They killed those people whether they meant to or not. You can spin it however you like, Mr. Unruhe. You're full of shit and you know it.
>>74445385
I'd argue that neither of them really was personally responsible for the deaths of all those people, except for the "reactionaries and counter-revolutionaries" that Mao ordered killed.
And anyway, the point of this is, sure those governments did bring about those deaths, but it is the intent of them versus the Nazist Germany or Stalinist Russia that makes the difference. The latter two set out specifically to eliminate those that they were opposed to, whereas Mao and Leopold's governments brought about those deaths mostly by accident.
>>74445386
>I'd argue that neither of them really was personally responsible for the deaths of all those people
By this logic, people shouldn't be charged with neglect. If your actions directly lead to the death of another, you are a killer. Again, spin it however you like. Weasel and squirm, I don't give a shit. You are wrong.
>>74445387
I'm not saying that it wasn't wrong. It's just not as wrong. There's a reason why first degree murder has a harsher sentence than manslaughter.
>>74445388
You literally just argued the opposite. You quite literally just stated that they were not at fault despite them being directly at fault.
>>74445389
I meant that they weren't murderers. Maybe I conveyed that badly.
>>74445390
Mao was definitely a murderer... He had his own purges. You really are Jason Unruhe aren't you?
>>74445391
I did say "Except for the purges against political undesirables" in Mao's case. Unless you're saying that Mao killed 78 million political enemies in China.
>>74445329
The numbers are nowhere near that high
[spoiler]The dictators didn't kill them, their soldiers did, they just ordered the murder[/spoiler]
The fuck is going on with these flags
>>74445373
here's your reply.
>>74445540
thread was moved from /his/ for not being relevant
>>74445329
What is "?" like?
>>74445329
Stalin didn't kill his own people though.
He's not Russian and most of the people doing the killing of ethnic Russians in Russia were Jewish.
So realistically the question is, "why is it okay for Jewish people to slaughter more people than Hitler but nobody to kill them back"
>monarch
>dictator
>>74445329
pol pot did it with style . mao was just going for larger numbers
its a classic quality vs quantity argument
>>74445329
>Implying it's about Jews
Hitler killed 17 million in Europe, or "over here". Everyone else on that list was active outside of Europe, or "over there".
It's why 13/11 was a disaster but an equivalent attack in Pakistan something nobody cares about. It's Kin Selection and Kin Altruism: Euros care about other Euros.
>>74445329
Hitler should be moved a place to the left or are we all going to pretend the 6000000 happened?
>>74445994
Lots of muslims.
ayy lmao
An actual attempt at explaining as to why people cared about it aside from jews controlling the media is that the iron curtain was a thing and we dind't have as many first hand accounts of what stalin and friends did. Even when we did why would we were since they were the bad guy commies
>>74445343
*hands rubbing in the distance*
>>74445329
>Jozef Stalin
>Sovjet Union
>>74445345
Liberalism != Left Wing economics.
Jesus Christ, you people don't even understand the memes you fucking spew.
>>74445329
again with "Stalin bloddy dictator"
that bullshit get me sad
>>74445329
>Hitler
>just 17M
probably those who died in the Soviet Union - is automatically credited to the account of the bloody dictator Stalin?
This is false infographic-picture that I have seen in recent years,
>>74447962
>stalin was a good boy he dindu nuffin was getting his life on track those starved babushkas wuz racist against judeo-bolshevism n shiet
>>74445886
it looks relevant tbqh senpai
Did Hitler really killed 17 million jews? Wasn't it like 6 trillion yesterday?
>>74445346
Fascism was neither left- or right wing, it was movement that saw itself as a reaction to both conservatism and communism.
Nazi Germany combined elements of fascism with ethno-centrism and socialism, making it socially conservative and economically leftist by today's standards.
>>74448141
>green text
>memes
>wow! mom, look! I argue
>>74445329
Because goyim don't matter.
>>74448444
There were Slavs, too.
>>74448141
not an argument
