I have been lurking here for a little while, and I see there are many who do not believe the 4 or 6 million or whatever Jews have died by the Nazi Germany. It is foreign history to me, so I have heard about it what most people have heard about it. So, I think I would ask this two questions:
>what are top three reasons or proofs that debunk what it is said about the genocide?
>what actually happen and why?
Ok, thank you for your answer.
>inb4
Yes, I do poo in the loo
:-)
>>74439812
6 million is simply a number that's too big. There are nazi documents that got leaked in the 70's which say that around 275k people died, including non-jews.
The 6million jews figure did appear a dozen of times in newspapers dating from 1915-1935. You can search it up.
Also, the holocaust survivor stories do not make sense in any way. It's simple logic at this point.
>>74440032
Do you know any sites or books that contain all the maths and figures? I am wondering if this is simply a matter of adding figures. Thank you in advance. Also, do you take a risk posting about this topic in your country? I hear it is illegal.
>>74439812
Cyanide gas can't be handled in the method they claim, and bodies don't burn half as well as they claim.
>>74440203
You're looking for the Leutcher report
>>74440032
It started to appear in newspapers in 1900. Maybe even before.
Ryan Dawson made a full-length documentary that explains it. The gas was for delousing and they died mainly of starvation and disease, and the number is much smaller but still significant.
https://vimeo.com/71860632&ved=0ahUKEwjJ3tvX3OXMAhWo6IMKHU-VC04QyCkIHTAA&usg=AFQjCNFIgC5KMJEddy2JXSygmqVBTZQLy
Fixed link
https://vimeo.com/71860632
>>74440203
There are no books because it's a crime to say anything against the jews or the holocaust, at least in Europe.
Google David Cole.
>>74440449
Link doesn't work.
>>74440203
He does, which is why I screencapped the post and sent an anonymous tip to the German police. I'm not sure if they care to actually investigate and subpoena 4chan for the poster's identity, but at least I can sleep with clear conscience.
Law's a law. You don't break the law.
>>74440493
If it is a crime, isn't that essentially an admission that it is not true? Topics are only banned if they are seen as a threat to the state. No government bans topics otherwise. So is it a threat to international relations if people realize that there were so many lies?
>>74440608
Basically, yes. A lot of influential people of that time period would look very foolish today if the official narrative changed.
>>74440604
There is a special place in Hell for you, Javert.
>>74440692
Really, people would still look foolish over 70 years later? Aren't they all dead?
>>74440534
https://vimeo.com/71860632
>>74440604
Fucking mongolian.
>>74440705
I actually didn't.
>>74440812
They're significant and influential people of a past era. It wouldn't look good on even today's government if the important people of the past lied about such a huge thing.
>>74440812
Sadly not, as evidenced by the Jews and their continued efforts to hunt down elderly men and force them to live out their last years in prison for the crime of being gate guards.
The holocaust did happen. My great grandfather worked at one of the concentration camps.
>>74440812
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
>>74440931
So then, it is just Israeli propaganda now.
>>74439812
we know that the 2nd reich used trains to kill people in Namibia. look up "genocide namibia" on youtube and find a documentary about it
the 6 million number was too high and it came out in newspapers decades before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk
if you want a real number of people killed, you're going to have to ask IBM. the 3rd reich could not have logistically functioned without IBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNXfrMR_Lw
>>74440357
>>74440032
I showed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5SsNCvlZoM to a friend and he just said it's fake.
Anyone here that has access toThe New York Times or any other mentioned news to confirm that it is legit?
I almost found 1 corresponding piece but alas the date (Montreal Gazette December 29th 1931) is missing here.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC
>>74441102
wait wait, he just said it's fake?
why is it fake?
He gave no reason?
>>74440203
>Also, do you take a risk posting about this topic in your country? I hear it is illegal.
It's not illegal here in the UK. Germany has very tight laws, as does France and most of Eastern Europe.
Think about this: it's the ONLY part of history that is forbidden to question is many countries.
Also, what about the millions of Europeans who were killed? We don't give this fact a special label like 'Holocaust'.
Personally, I have nothing against Jews as people - as there are good and bad in every person.
I do, however HATE political Zionism. Partly because it was my country that created the state of Israel with the Balfour Declaration.
>http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_john.html
It's a shocking document. And was written in 1917. BEFORE WW2..... very suspicious.
The biggest reason by far people even have had to look into the holohoax is the fact that if you express denial in Europe, you will go to jail. It's the only event in history that if you say "I don't believe that happened.", you risk imprisonment.
>>74440032
>>74440203
oh god they killed him
>>74440941
Did he run the trains that mechanically flipped over to dump people into ovens alive?
>>74441158
He said anyone could print some newspaper with anything on it and make it look old.
That's why I am looking for another copies to disprove him.
It definitely happened but the Jews are making up a lot of shit.
It was probably only like 100k jews.
>>74441176
>was written in 1917. BEFORE WW2..... very suspicious
The Haavara agreement is also interesting, for the same reason. David Irving' book on Churchill is also interesting, especially his relationship with Zionist bankers.
>The Haavara agreement - Germany created Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE2hsaHAEX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIYswWXhkcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-1ts3VTeeI
>>74441102
I dont have time to look up all those papers, you have to do it, but I have these
>>74441102
the months for those papers seem to be missing from google. the new york times is missing completely.
>>74441102
>>74440203
This is often sited as the most comprehensive revisionist work out there, a bunch of denier historians contributed. Most of them have been jailed and lived in exile.
http://www.amazon.com/Dissecting-Holocaust-22Truth-22-22Memory-22-Handbooks/dp/0967985625
>>74441102
one more
>>74442305
that is also in this pol books archive that gets passed around
>Politically Incorrect Books Archive:
https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg
>>74440812
People who believe in revisionist writing of the holocaust usually tend to claim that it's only one small part of the bigger picture. Their claim is that jewish people in Germany before the time of nazism were not poor little victims of unprovoked antisemitism; instead, they were a fifth column who had infiltrated German politics, media and banking, and they were actively fucking things up for the ethnic Germans. They claim that powerful jewish people destabilized European nations on purpose and plunged them into wars for their own personal profit. Holocausts revisionists tend to claim that these kinds of jews eventually manipulated the whole world into going to war against the one man who spoke out against the jewish infiltration in the West. The revisionists also claim that after the war, these jews made themselves appear like victims when they had been the aggressors working from the shadows, and this is the reason why holocaust revisionism has to be silenced; it would poke holes into the official story.
If it were to turn out that the holocaust revisionists are correct, it would also mean that all the political writings and the entire mainstream narrative post-WWII have been based on lies and half-truths. It would mean that the man who's been dubbed as the personification of evil was actually right. It would make people suspicious and angry towards the establishment, and they would wonder what else have they been lied to about. People would connect a bunch of dots and come to uncomfortable conclusions.
>>74442615
thanks tanguero bro
Is there a proof for that picture that is often posted about what the Soviets claimed the death camps were vs current claim after the inspection? Also, were the death camps never inspected?
>>74440032
>that around 275k people died, including non-jews.
Death toll for Warsaw alone was already higher than that. I call BS.
>>74439812
The Holocaust is just like your shitting locations, there are too many inconsistencies.
>>74443044
Wasn't Warsaw seiged by artillery for a week? Would that kill more people that Typhus or starving in camps over 5 years?
>>74443044
>red cross death tolls at all camps
>>74442854
Current state of society shows if Hitler was correct or not.
>>74443044
warsaw was a warzone. one of the many places in europe where people were actually being murdered in mass numbers, with you know, actual weapons for killing like guns and bombs not magical vanishing gas chambers
>>74443163
I meant the death toll that was the result of occupation directives, up to and including utter destruction and depopulation of west bank Warsaw in 1944.
Far too many people went suddenly 'missing' out of our entire population to be explained by 275k death toll.
Besides, a regular Jew doesn't go through his life with a borg device telling him what exactly he needs to say and do to keep up an elaborate narrative. If those millions of Jews were to be magically transported into USSR as revisionists claim, you would still have thousands of people with Jewish roots breaking out of narrative every now and then.
>>74440692
No. The holocaust was the impetus for setting up the Jewish state of Israel and a whole host of other benefits for the Jewish people, such as not being questioned on all of their bullshit. Not sure what people you are referring to anyway, Chruchill? News of the holocaust really didn't come out until the seventies anyway, so - oh just shut up.
>>74443572
>News of the holocaust really didn't come out until the seventies anyway,
We have been sending intel on the Holocaust all the way to Burgerland even when the war was still raging. Any delay in Holocaust entering mainstream was the direct result of western powers treating these reports like fairy tales.
>>74441603
>Jewish Religious magazine
>using christian dating
>>74439812
>>74443799
published in English too, not Hebrew
>>74439812
If only 500k Jews lived in Germany in 1935 and Jews were moving to Israel as well as getting kicked out PLUS the thousands on thousands of survivors where did the other 500 gorillian Jews come from.
>>74443966
eastern europe
>>74443517
>you would still have thousands of people with Jewish roots breaking out of narrative every now and then.
you mean, they don't?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMyoEG2c7a0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os0eldMv-wE
Several considerations:
>1.) you say "they are not the Borg", they dont all conspire to say exactly the same thing
- they dont say identical things, they often contradict
- conspicuously, the most elaborate stories are often the most scandalous lies once discovered
- the least spectacular survivors often say they never say gas chambers, just heard about them in the camps or after the war
>2.) it's in numerous records how many Jews fled east to the Soviet union. Many famously returned as NKVD to places like Poland, to be the Soviet administrators.
>3.) you say too many people went missing, you need to speak in specifics. Mass numbers of people went missing in all places where the fighting took place, or where armies advanced and retreated.
Remember Katyn massacre?
>>74443799
The Chinese Commies use Christian dating too, anon (as opposed to the Chinese calendar).
It's just the accepted standard worldwide.
>>74443890
Jews didn't really start adopting Hebrew outside of religious use until the 19th century when zionism took off.
The individual crematoriums did it to me. The nazis where a "Build it bigger and more efficient" kind of people. If they had massive furnaces built at thier camps, I would think differently.
>>74443890
It's an English magazine. Contrary to popular opinion, most diaspora Jews aren't that fluent in Hebrew.
However the dating is still strange. You'd imagine that they would consider it against their honor to use a dating system based on the false messiah (who they bash just a few paragraphs later).
>>74444123
>One Jew makes up bullshit on the go to appeal to the sensationalist tabloid
>Holohoax disproven!!1!!11one!
>>74439812
well the german red-cross had published the data and numbers of the jews that we killed were around 270.000, if i would be on my pc i could share it but unfortunatally i am not...sry
Did the Holocaust happen?
Yes.
Where the numbers blown out of proportion to garner Jewish sympathy?
Yes.
>>74444416
>surprised that jews parasite
>>74443517
Also, you can't say the Holocaust isn't a kind of secular religion now. Its the founding rationale for the state of israel, and the thing that gets trotted out to justify everything Israel does. Don't be naive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYF7opH-9do
>>74444416
No, it makes sense if its for diaspora Jews in places like the US and England, who didn't have much education. Public education was not free or as widespread back then.
Cont?
>>74444569
"human rights" is the religion. holyhoax is the original sin
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>>74444015
They'd have had to find every individual Jew living in Poland and they still wouldn't have enough. Jew's were like 1-4% of the population of any given Eastern European country. That's a lot of pens inspection days.About 16 thousand penises a day would need to be looked at for Poland alone to get every Jew out. More than that really since I'm being generous with how much time the Germans had to check out all those cocks
>>74439812
>>74444147
Paul Ascher looks surprisingly like Breivik.
>>74444846
Isn't that your dream job, anon?
>>74440941
how many jewskin lampshades did he make?
>>74444846
i agree but a lot of jews were killed in eastern europe. they shot anyone they thought would rebel or sabotage supply lines to the war in russia, a lot of those people were jews because of their conenction to the communist enemy and their history of armed insurrection against germany
>>74444951
No I'm not an Anglo and they aren't Arab
>>74442854
>>74444994
Yes and a lot of civilians die in most wars that doesn't mean we are being given accurate statistics
>>74443878
Is there a proof for this pic?
>>74444556
I will add the archives to this image, because such evidence tends to disappear once it is promoted and shared:
>https://archive.is/DHLgi
>https://archive.is/GYd50
>>74445037
So you only like the dark meat? I getcha. Least you're honest about it.
>>74444846
>About 16 thousand penises a day would need to be looked at for Poland alone to get every Jew out.
Diasporas here were usually well-organized. All the Nazis had to do during initial roundup was to have the governing bodies placed firmly under control. Back in pre-WWII Poland Jews were commonly regarded as Germany's bottom feeders and many of them, in fact, did initially welcomed Nazi Germans with optimism.
>>74445238
Yes I am trans-British I crave to inspect the cock of every Arabian who made the journey to Europe. The Englishman in me lusts after how good their balls must smell when they make it.
>>74445287
>Diasporas here were usually well-organized
you mean, like "the borg"
;^)
>All the Nazis had to do during initial roundup was have diaspora leaders put in control
so, suddenly, you find it believable that catching all the Jews and expecting their cooperation was highly likely, but Jews retreating to USSR in an organized way is no probable?
>Jews welcomed the Nazis
then they were the only Jews in the world who were not subject to terror propaganda about what Nazis said about the Jews.
Are you sure you don't choose what you think is likely if it supports the narrative you want to believe, and vice versa?
They call that "motivated reasoning".
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning
>>74444929
Gommies went full retard with these numbers to ensure dramatic effect.
Keep in mind that the bottom tablet with revised death toll adorns the site visited by Jews each year and yet noone is raising a stink over it, except for armchair revisionists.
>>74445612
>but now its totally accurate despite still being based entirely on show trial testimony
Is it true that none of De Gaulle, Roosevelt or Churchill have mentioned the holocaust in their WW2 memoirs/writings (a ww2 history 6 books series for Churchill) ?
If it's true, how does the official narrative explain that the leaders of three major nations taking part in the conflict ignored a crime of that scale ?
>>74439812
imagine 9/11 happening then 10 years later we add 6 million dead jews
>>74445826
Is that actually true? I thought I heard Churchill mentioned it.
>>74439812
Denial? You mean putting Jews and others into camps so they wont be attacked by angry Germans, then the Allies bombing the supplies to said camps and all German peoples.
They were put there for their own protection.
>>74445826
>oy vey because not even the NAZI allies cared about the poor victimized jews allied forces should clearly pay reparations too
>>74439812
Its not a denial of the holocaust itself, its more of a denial of the figures portrayed as victims of the holocaust, i.e six million
I had saved the link to the archive of a holohoax thread, let me see if I can find it. It'd be much more helpful than I can be
>>74439812
The main reason for me is that if you try to discuss this issue you are called a "holocaust denier" and thrown in jail. Noone does that with flat-earthers.
>>74445992
Well, they were also considered a threat. The German diplomat in Paris was assasinated by a Zionist. Zionist organizations around the world declared a boycott on Germany. These two things led to Krytalnacht. So, they were protecting them from angry mobs, but also, they were a threat, just like Japanese were interned in the US, and Germans in the UK.
>>74446141
No one does that with atheists, anarchists, communists, or Jihadist preachers in London either. You could argue that each of these groups is potentially more dangerous than history skeptics.
>>74444789
Look at you so cool and relaxed.
>>74445967
Apparently he didn't. I've read some unverified quotes, but never really dug this any further.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=722717
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4156
>>74439812
ill never understand this......place.
it feels like
after the past 2 weeks i have been here it just seems to get worst and worst.....
blatant racism
child porn spam
animal abuse
woman hating
homophobia
fat shaming
off topic adult cartoons
the list goes on and on.......
the n word literally hurled around like it was an everyday thing......
are there even moderators to control this insane place??!!!
disgusting..
i see why you people are callled the sewer of the internet.....
>>74446932
nigger
>>74445826
Not a word of it as far as Churchill is concerned, which is another reason I find the entire thing as odd.
>>74446149
Aus did the same with Japs.
>the n word literally hurled around like it was an everyday thing......
noob
>>74446932
Come to infinitychan. Superior in almost every way.
>>74439812
It becomes so painfully obvious once you start digging around that the whole thing is a mess of lies, exaggerations, and hyperbole.
The only thing keeping most people from connecting the dots is the fear that they will be labeled racist if they were to do so.
But deep down, most people question the Holocaust and World War II as a whole, even if they don't do so consciously. That's why society has such a fascination with Hitler and Nazis in general- there is a certain mystery about it all that continues to nag people, like a pill that can't be swallowed.
>>74440203
>>74443799
>>74444416
>>74444336
ah, i look it up, it's not a "Jewish" magazine, its a religious science magazine, with an article on Judaism.
>https://archive.org/details/opencourt11_1897caru
>https://archive.org/stream/opencourt11_1897caru/opencourt11_1897caru_djvu.txt
ctrl + f
six million
>>74446932
why are you even here in the first place?
were you looking for origami paper folding?
>>>/po/
>>74445826
>>74445967
For De Gaulle, it's certain. In his memoirs published a decade after the war, he talks about persecutions and deportations (as endured by other French ethnic groups as well) but there no mention of gas chambers or genocide or planned mass murders of Jews.
http://www.alterinfo.net/Charles-de-Gaulle-et-le-genocide-des-juifs_a82976.html
>>74447181
thx
>>74446932
That is why I like to hang around here regularly - if shit hits the fan, there is hardly any barrier to try and stop it.
>>74447405
>Come to infinitychan. Superior in almost every way.
See pic related. A legendary shitposter from 4chan's /vp/ known as Bui decided to unleash his array of bots on cripplejew's /pol/ and ran it into the ground with no effort. What their /pol/ did? They put on their tinfoil hats and immediately blamed the whole predicament on the ebil gubmint.
4chan's /pol/ may be a caricature of itself, but it is also largely immune to volatile incursions.
>>74445826
Churchill is the goodest goy in all of history. If he said nothing about the gassing of his masters the Jew's then I'm certain it didn't happen
>>74446932
Well this behavior , while being rooted in earnest sentiment of hatred, is exaggerated beyond normal behaviour so it isn't taken as a joke.
>>74443765
No. You see news of the holocaust was coming out long before the war even started, see >>74441652 and >>74441711
Directly after the war there was news of the concentration camps and that people had died there, but that's not a holocaust; there were concentration camps in America too don't forget. The big guilt trip campaign about gas chambers began in the 70s to alter people's perceptions about the Jews murderering people in Israel. There was propaganda made before then, (such as those directed by Alfred Hitchcock) but most of it was of such a poor quality that they decided not to release it publicly and only used it in reference. This was where the lies about Nazis turning jews into lampshades and soap came from. Also how did the poles no anything about it, when even the Brits and the German public were kept in the dark? You yids are so full of shit it is coming out of your ears.
>>74450773
I don't hate anyone. I am in awe at the deep, indescribably, doctrinal, cultural, and perhaps even genetic, hate that Jews feel for non-chosen. It's amazing that such a race can manifest almost instinctual levels of adherence to tribalism, and to a collective sense of nepotism do dynamic, that even the lowliest pleb-tier Jew instinctively sense that his people are his salvation, and everyone else needs to be harmed. It's bizarre. They feel such disdain for goys, and such narcissism for themselves. I know of no other race so uniformly tribal or compulsive.
https://youtu.be/CEAmtWd6aD0
