>Rights aren't given to us, or able to be taken away, since every living person has these rights automatically
>Fetus is a living person inside of a womb, hence has these same rights
>Lol, nah. Abortion cool tho.
Explain yourselves, pro choice fags
>>74423254
I just see abortion as a survival of the fittest sort of situation
>>74423254
I'm conflicted.
I'm for killing babies, but I'm against women having a choice.
>>74423254
>that thing
>human
It resembles an ayylmao more than any human
>>74423254
Jesus Christ that's terrible.
As a matter of personal survival Im glad future degenerates are aborted tho
Rights are based on sentience. A fetus is not sentient therefore it has no rights. If you think otherwise you are a fucking retarded hick because it is literally an objective fact.
>>74423254
If you want an abortion, pay for it your fucking self. Idon't want my tax dollars helping to fund this shit.
>>74423254
The fetus doesn't have the same rights though, as it is considered, legally, as not yet human. Your stance against or for abortion is irrelevant, as judicial systems across the West have decided, for practical reasons, to value the mother's rights more than the fetus. This is why they both have a different status and why your statement is wrong.
>>74423254
Abortion is the #1 killer of niggers in America.
Abortion kills more niggers in one year than the KKK did in all of American history.
Anti-Abortion is code for Pro-Nigger.
>>74423254
>since every living person has these rights automatically
Source?
no objective source of morality = no automatic rights
>>74423970
Rights are based on the natural limits of government.
>>74424026
Only 363,000? I'm suspicious.
>>74423970
A person in a coma is also not sentient, is it moral to abort them?
A fetus is just a human in a 15 year coma
>90% of abortions are nigs
>women who would abort their kid are just going to raise a fuckup
abortion may be murder but don't die on that hill you gigantic faggot
we have bigger things to worry about
>>74423254
I support eugenics, anyone with genes worth saving would act in the best interest of there offspring. Abortion is degenerate as fuck but I support the degenerates right to remove themselves from the gene pool.
>>74423970
Define sentience. A fetus can theoretically feel pain at 7 weeks. Wanting to escape from pain. Isn't that sentient?
>>74423254
pretty grim
Abortion is disproportionately performed by blacks and poors. Keep it legal. Incentivize it.
>>74423254
>living person
That's the problem, it's alive but it can't exist outside its mother. It's not a separate person, it's a part of her body.
People should have kids when they choose to, it makes for a stronger family and a better nation.
>Fetus is sentient and feels pain therefore human-like enough to protect.
>Lol vegan liberals are so fucking stupid with their animal shit.
lol
>>74424198
Whites have nearly as many abortions. Something like 330k to 360k.
>>74423971
>I don't want to pay for Shaniqua's abortion!
>Shaniqua goes on to have 6 beautiful baby boys who grow up to be the Tyrone and Jamal's of the world
>Cause considerable violence and crime
>End up in jail for most of their lives
>Costs you a fuckton more in the end
Pick your fucking poison faggot.
>>74423254
>he doesn't support eugenics
anon...
>>74423254
I don't like anything about abortion but it's necessary in certain situations
>>74424429
whites outnumber blacks at least five to one
>>74424258
I define the level of sentience at which rights occur to be a level above that of an Ape. Humans don't reach that until about 1 to 2 years of age. Until then they should ideally be treated as property. Unfortunately the sentimental value to their parents dictates that we must lower that to birth. Anything before that is open season. I'm not even kidding
>>74424414
Some preemies survive at 23 weeks. Mine were born at 30.
>>74424526
>but it's necessary in certain situations
terminal blackness
>>74424157
>A person in a coma is also not sentient, is it moral to abort them?
Yes, there family can refuse medical care on there behalf, ever heard the phrase "pulling the plug"?
>A fetus is just a human in a 15 year coma
I support post birth abortion but 15 years is a bit too far. I think once society has started to educate them then the parents should no longer be able to abort them. Well maybe if they are little shits in school too than the family and school can decide together to abort them even part way through the education process.
>>74424527
I'm too lazy to search for the 2010 cdc charts. So meh.
>>74424637
Yes. It is a necessary disgusting thing.
>>74424646
Listen fag. A parent owns a child as long as it pays for it. When the kid can get a job and pay his own taxes than it becomes free. As long as it lives under my hood, I own it. Don't like it? Leave.
>>74424577
You'd be okay with the murder of a 1 to 2 year old child? Get yourself checked out by a shrink. Dead serious.
>>74423254
>letting women choose anything
>>74423254
Girls who have abortion should also be sterilized because they were too stupid to use birth control.
Unwanted children must be taken by the gov and treated properly. Orthants now are ridiculously bad supported and raised poorly. Until some steps from the gov are made abortion is ok.
>>74424976
Based roach. Do you guys sterilize Kurds
>>74424803
Fucking sociopaths on this board. A child is a person. They think and feel the same as you or I (minus your mental disability). You don't own them. You're responsible for them. They're your fuck up. They shouldn't get punished for that.
>>74423671
Fuckin mint /thread
>>74424976
Hey Roach. You may be too young to understand that, but we need subhumans to work and pay taxes to keep this whole socialism thing going on.
>>74424808
Would you be more upset with the death of a dolphin or a 1 year old child? I know for a fact the dolphins death would concern me more because it is more sentient. If you seriously think there is some "human magic" that makes us more important than you should get yourself checked out by a shrink because you're probably a stupid hick.
>>74424808
And no, I wouldn't be "OKAY" with it, just like I wouldn't be OKAY with the death of a dog or cat.
>>74425128
>not prefering your own species
Cuck
The way I see it, humans are already overpopulated as it is. One abortion = one less human to overpopulate the earth
>>74425111
Not an argument. If I pay to keep something alive, I own it.
>>74424085
I absolutely agree with this. The argument that rights even exist objectively is ridiculous. Being that rights are generally dictated by some sort of informal consensus of society as a whole, can society as a whole, for whatever reason, not also dictate who and what rights are applicable to? If it is dictated, at large, that rights are not valid until a certain stage of development, then they would not be applicable to those who have yet to reach said developmental milestone. If it is generally agreed upon, then, that the right to live is not valid until the second trimester, then the termination, or murder if you want to be unnecessarily macabre for the sake of evoking pathos, of a first trimester fetus would not be the violation of any individuals rights. Also, seeing as rights don't exist objectively, they're nothing but privileges glorified by a collective sentimentality.
>>74425128
Neither you tard. If I had to pick, I'd pick the kid. Because I have EMPATHY,something you sorely lack.
>>74423254
The majority of people that get abortions are niggers. Therefore, abortions indirectly make the world a better place.
>>74423671
/thread
second post best post
>>74425282
>cuck
Sure thing meme man
>>74425323
>empathy
So you think empathy is limited to your own species? Even if the other animal is objectively more intelligent and capable of thought?
>>74425316
This is redundant,because I'm sure someone like you could ever be in a position to reproduce, but please don't have kids. You'd create literal monsters.
>>74423671
High school-tier joke.
>>74424803
>On average, it costs $10,615 to send a kid to public school for a year. (That's federal, state and local government spending combined.) As the map above shows, that one number masks a huge variation. Utah spends just over $6,000 per student; New York and the District of Columbia over $18,000.Jun 21, 2012
Fine, but if you kill your kid you gotta pay back the state all the money they have put into your kid.
>>74425403
Nice deflection
Do you go to Sea World to watch dolphins hump your gf?
>>74423542
Same, who even gives a fuck about fetuses? It's a great way to control the ever growing population.
>>74425464
I guess I have a empathy hierarchy.
>my species
>my race=ideology
>family
So yeah, ultimately fuck other animals.
>>74425319
I'm ok with murdering babies as long as we set clear rules regulating this in the law. If we have a good law, we should focus on enforcing it. That's it. Poeple will keep murdering babies regardless of the law so it's really irrelevant whether or not the law will be pro-life or pro-abortion. I only care about being able to punish fags that don't agree with me using the police force thanks to the clear rules given.
>>74423970
Not an argument
>>74423254
>Explain yourselves, pro choice fags
I hate niggers
>>74423254
The fetus is feeding off of the mother and forcing her to carry away its waste. Pregnancy harms females.
While yes, the fetus is alive and a human, it is harming the mother. If the mother does not want that harm, it can be removed, as it is an unwanted invader. Just like a nigger that broke into your house and is stealing your shit, kill it.
Morally, abortion is an insolvable problem.
However, within the West, we need to outlaw it. All Western nations need to outlaw it, because we are losing in the race of procreation. We face a net decline in population growth. The mongrel savages beat us outright. We cannot let this happen.
>>74425637
Why would I need to deflect a straw man. Are you seriously retarded enough to make a logical connection between my support for sentience based rights and a hypothetical fetish for watching a black man fuck my gf? Sounds pretty autistic to me.
>>74424417
>vegans dislike eggs because they are deliberately terminated potential children
>are pro abortion
Loving every laugh
>>74425342
That is only (almost) true in america. Its totally blown out of the water if you count Europe where white people have abortions more often than they get a dental checkup or in China where they abort kids for the fun of it.
>>74425832
>>However, within the West, we need to outlaw it.
you realize >70% of abortions in USA are done by minorities, right?
>>74425530
Not your fucking business, mate.
That's your problem. Focus on your imaginary children and stop thinking about what I do with my cock, mmmkay?
>>74425814
>pregnancy is harm
Kys
Its very selfish and kinda fucked up tbph but it's the best way to eradicate welfare babies before they're even born. A couple hundred for an abortion or tens of thousands for schooling and gibs? So I am all for it.
>>74423254
>Rights aren't given to us, or able to be taken away, since every living person has these rights automatically
Are you high? Your right to bear firearms can be taken away, just like the right to vote, if you are convicted felon.
>>74425627
>Fine, but if you kill your kid you gotta pay back the state all the money they have put into your kid.
Nope.jpg.
If I pay taxes, I've already paid for the pleasure of letting the government brainwash my kid.
>>74425915
I'll take an American minority over a turd world minority any day of the week. If you look at the actual slated population growths worldwide you would be on the same page as me.
>>74425814
>unwanted invader. Just like a nigger that broke into your house
Analogy only works if she was raped. Women who don't want kids know not to fuck in the front whole without taking precautions.
>>74425872
Never did I mention a black, but interesting that thats where your mind went..
I deduced that you are a cuckold for dolphins
>>74425316
Then i own you, because I pay taxes to keep you alive you fucking commie shit stain
>>74423791
The fuck is wrong with you? It is a kid.
>>74426014
So you'll be willing to pay the taxes to raise the children after I opt out of it, right?
>>74426095
Vote Trump.
>>74426068
You own something if you pay for it exclusively. If you rent a condo with 3 other people, you don't own it. You share it with them.
>>74426009
>if I pay taxes I get to shoot our shoulder fired rockets at our tanks just for the fun of it, I payed for them after all
Nope, the state has interest in the kid once it has invested in it. You destroy that investment you gotta pay.
>>74426045
Condoms can fail. Birth control can fail. Spermicide can fail.
Banning abortions will result in a huge spike in homebrew abortions using coat hangars.
>>74425123
We have 10% of population that do nothing and live on welfare. They are good to go. Its better for economy
.>>74425045
Shamefully no. Islamists are against all abortion and sterilization. They care about increasing muslim numbers, including Kurds.
>>74425814
if the mother didnt want that invader she should use her fucking head and have one of the many glorious forms of birth control, or abstain.
>>74426231
The "state" is you and me. If the establishment thinks it can dedice on what is best for me and this country it can go fuck itself. It seems like you filthy Americans forgot about what Democracy is all about.
>>74426388
me and him vote that you should have to pay the taxes back
welcome to democracy, faggot
>>74423254
>>Rights aren't given to us, or able to be taken away, since every living person has these rights automatically
There's your problem. Who thinks that really?
>>74425917
>imaginary
>>74424026
Can you imagine how much worse crime would be if those 363k had lived?
Abortion: It's cheaper than building more prisons.
>>74426345
>We have 10% of population that do nothing and live on welfare.
I live in Poland. We have no real welfare and most of young people left Poland to mooch on UK and Germany. We need more babies to stay white and avoid crashing our economy.
>>74426071
I don't think you quite get who your talking to. Most of us would gleefully gas (well there are cheaper ways to kill) billions (with a b) of people whom we consider undesirable. Your talking to people who preformed blood sacrifices to ebola in hopes of giving it more power to kill third worlders. Get on our level normie.
>>74426367
>If the mother didn't want to die in a horrible fiery car crash, she should have worn her seat belt, or not driven at all!
Welp.
>babies
>kids
>children
fuck you you dishonest tearjerking fucks
fetuses are none of those things, they don't feel pain and even if they did saving someone from all the terrible things in life, especially at such an early stage, is immensely positive
>>74426462
this
think of abortion as a vaccination against homicide
>>74424022
>The fetus doesn't have the same rights though, as it is considered, legally, as not yet human
It is in Ireland.
>>74426332
I hate to admit you're right on that. Morning after pill is pretty much my last stop before the train leaves the station.
>>74423254
No one has "rights". They are indeed given and taken away.
>>74424372
Yes, and do the same for sterilization.
>>74425627
>your taxes pay for state education
>your kid dies after receiving some state education
>you pay for all the education that you already paid for
A mobius strip of taxation. I wonder who could be behind such an idea.
>>74426566
They develope a nervous system capable of feeling pain at 7 weeks.
>>74426761
so do chickens
>>74426457
You do realize that letting children sit in front of TV will eventually make them retarded, right?
Anyway, my point stands. Don't tell me how to live my life motherfucker. You have no authority to tell me what is right and what is wrong.
>>74426761
and they are under the influence of various endogenous sedatives
>>74423254
>>Rights aren't given to us, or able to be taken away, since every living person has these rights automatically
>he actually fell for the moronic god given rights meme in the first place
Aha
Ahahah
Ahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahaaa! Moron!
>>74426856
That may be so, I'd rather not take the chance.
>>74426566
>saving someone from all the terrible things in life, especially at such an early stage, is immensely positive
Every religion derived from Judaism is a religion of death and it shows in the values of its followers.
I don't get it when liberals are for killing babies but are completely against the death sentence.
Someone please explain that logic to me.
>>74427043
its not death its avoidance of life ;)
>>74427089
fetuses aren't babies
>>74426784
#1.They're facing away.
#2.I want them to witness Trump.
#3. Not really telling you how to live your life. Just calling you a sociopathic faggot is all.
No one but the mother really has a connection to the unborn, if she wants to kill it, so be it. I don't think that it's right to do so, but it's like killing a cow or something. I don't want laws making something illegal that tons of people will do, but only hurts themselves and some little tiny shit that no one even cares about yet. Sorry little fetus, looks like your mother is a shit tier human, better to end your suffering ASAP then have you grow up without a real family and then you commit the same mistakes she has. Make it illegal for all I care, but then we need to make sure that when women do it (cuz they will and always have) that it is effective and relatively safe.
>>74426711
You only have to pay back the investment your fellow tax payers payed if your kid died due to your action or neglect. If it died of sickness or a bonafide accident your off the hook.
You kill your kid you gotta pay. Cant or don't want to pay, then don't kill your kid. That simple.
>>74427195
Read this.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/books/antichrist-friedrich-nietzsche-translated-h-l-mencken.pdf
Get a Russian translation. English translation is shit as usual.
>>74425319
> Human rights are made up
Sure shit, sherlock, that's why we discuss them. We can't change gravity or magnets, they follow the laws of the universe, but we can enforce some kind of protection for unborn children.
>>74427089
>babies
also I'm for the death sentence, so is hillary
by the way the image in the OP is bullshit ;) it was made by religious groups for emotional pandering and has nothing to do with the actual process
IRL the fetus gets sort of sucked out with a pump and then comes the forceps to clean up
>>74427216
>No one but the mother really has a connection to the unborn
You fucking piece of shit. It takes two to make a child. The dad should have his say too. He should be able to let known his wish to abort, and if the mother decides to keep it after that then the dad is off the hook for child support. This includes post birth abortions but only if the father was not aware of the child.
>>74427206
>Not really telling you how to live your life. Just calling you a sociopathic faggot is all.
You think that you are better than me. That's my point. I don't judge people. Every action is morally sound according to some morality. If I ever decide to destroy you I will do it not because of any morality but because it would be in my best interest to do so. A world without hard feelings between strangers is a good place to live in.
>>74423254
I'm #cruzmissile now
>>74424417
Distinction: Every human fetus becomes a human. We care for other people and the circumstances of their birth because we know they aren't responsible for that and it was just good or bad luck they were born in Europe or Africa, born white or black or born to a loving or unloving mother. Caring about an unborn child is superb simple.
>>74427428
You what? We do shit only because of its utility. You fags are suddenly pro-life only because white people are dying out.
>>74423254
>Not wanting women to get rid of an unwanted child that you have to pay money for raising or pay child support for
>>74423254
Liberals don't think that an unborn human baby is a person. Or that's what they say about fetuses, also called a "bunch of cells," "fetal tissue," and a "production of conception." Surely the liberals know that the unborn baby is alive in the womb and that it would be birthed like any other thing from its mother's womb. But liberals don't consider the biologically human baby or fetus to be a person in the sense of an active and social being in the human world, as opposed to the "natural world" or some impersonal Nature that incompatible with human society. Strangely the liberals and abortion-supporters won't publically admit the logical proposition that a fetus or unborn baby is a living human being in the human world via the pregnant mother, and in that way the baby is a person. That baby would be born into the world and could be normally active like any other newborn if it were not for the abortion. Personally I think that the medical term "abortion" should be renamed for what it is: ie, state-sanctioned baby-killing. If you confront pro-choice people or abortion-advocates and do it up close and personal they will not know how to handle the truth.
>>74427623
A world without hard feelings is a place where nothing gets done and nothing ever changes.
>>74427714
>Every human fetus becomes a human.
Some of them become Nivea face cream.
>>74427274
>pay back investment
This implies that all of this is voluntary. It's not, it's taxation. The money was already taken from me, you greedy kike.
>>74427803
>not putting yourself in that position in the first place.
>>74423254
fetuses can't sue therefore cant have rights. Have a problem? Then blow it out your ass.
>>74427834
And why do you think that?
A world driven by pure reason would guarantee that shit gets done as long as it is useful for the community that paid for it.
>>74426071
how and so?
>>74423671
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=regressive
Nice job ripping from Maddox
>>74427998
you don't feel sympathy for the poor yet you do for fetuses? kill yourself.
>>74427721
Utility for the individual. It would be great if government could simply execute useless people that only cost money, but putting the life of individuals before the benefit of society is generally accepted to be better solution, because it only takes time until the individuals previously in favor of such rules will become the victim.
White supremacists always were in favor of abortions, black people abort more, without abortions they would outbreed white people faster. Planned Parenthood was made by a person that wanted to get rid of black people with it.
>fetus
>person
Choose one.
Poles don't have souls
>>74427905
Well, unless they get killed on their way of course.
>>74428296
that's not a fetus on the pic tho.
>>74424085
>morality
Social norms and legal rights historically precede moral ideas and their study; and they're more important factors in political systems than is morality as a theological-philosophic system of ideas. So what I'm trying to say is that "rights" are not necessarily dependent upon morals in any sense of the word. Also you didn't prove your statement true but it's still a good rhetoric.
>>74425832
No solid refutations to this point thus far.
>>74424577
>this fuckin fedora
kek. Im imagining someone unironically saying this post irl
>>74424026
Dis
If you are pro-life, then you are anti-white. -- cuz more niglets = more criminals in the future.
>>74428296
by what repeatable metric do you define "person?"
>>74428610
In western countries, minorities have far more abortions per capita than white people. Outlawing abortion would accelerate the invasion.
>>74424026
Literally the only reason I support it. Now if we can get those pesky hispanics to jump on board
>>74427428
My question to you is, why should we protect the unborn child? Is that somehow to our benefit? Every child is hypothetically speaking a gamble. They good either be greatly to the benefit or the impediment of social welfare, seeing as it is not know how the child will act throughout their life. Though the termination does eliminate the potential benefit, it also entirely mitigates the impediment. Abortion is simply putting your cards down and stepping away from the table.
>>74428692
Brain waves.
http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/anand/
Functional maturity of the cerebral cortex is suggested by fetal and a neonatal electroencephalographic patterns, studies of cerebral metabolism, and the behavioral development of neonates. First, intermittent electroencephalograpic bursts in both cerebral hemispheres are first seen at 20 weeks gestation; they become sustained at 22 weeks and bilaterally synchronous at 26 to 27 weeks.39
>>74423254
What about mother cell experimentation?
My position on abortion can be reduced to some simple steps.
>It is bad (morally wrong) to kill an innocent person.
>Every human is a person.
>Human life begins at the conception.
>Therefore it's morally wrong to kill an innocent human and that includes babys, fetus and zygotes.
>>74424022
They can legally consider me as a cow but I won't be able to make milk. It is a human.
>>74426628
By who?
>>74425814
A nigger that broke into your house wasn't invited.
>>74425319
Who says who is part of that society and what right has that society to determine other's rights? Who gave society that right?
>>74424646
Refuse medical help /=/ killing
>>74424222
They're not removing themselves. They are removing others.
>>74424085
A person has rights by definition. The real question is who is a person? Is every human live a person? Are only conscious humans persons? Only sentient humans?
>>74427714
Every human fetus is already a human.
>>74425832
Doing something because its consequences appear good to you doesn't make it good.
>>74429019
I will read more on this later. It seems interesting.
>>74427497
That sounds cool.
What legal framework do you think would solve this? Sharia law?
>>74429160
Shouldn't you be getting ready for work?
>>74427953
And the money to educate your child was taken from me. If your going to waist that money then you should pay the full burden of the taxes your wasting. If you pay $19k in property taxes each year then w/e but if your pay less than the cost of your child's education then you cant just kill the kid with out paying back the waste you caused. Not to mention its damaging to the moral of the other kids who do not have degenerate kid killing parents when one of there classmates ends up dying.
>>74429160
>A person has rights by definition.
Depends on the definition. I'm sure the definition of a "person" in Spain is different from the definition of a "person" in, for example south America.
>>74429019
And the same is true for rats (only much sooner) That don't mean we cant kill rats.
Nothing wrong with killing useless or negative value people.
In the case of fetuses or children the potential return on utility is so far out it matters little if we kill them or not.
>>74429160
>Refuse medical help /=/ killing
If someone requires medical help to live and you refuse to provide it or choose to stop providing it than that == killing.
If someone is floating in a space suit and you cut off there air you kill them. If someone is living on a ventilator and you unplug it that is killing.
A fetus is a human on life support, if you scrape it out you are killing it.
And I don't have a problem with doing that, but don't kid yourself about what it is your doing.
ANTI-ABORTION
is code for
ANTI-WHITE
>>74429160
>Who says who is part of that society and what right has that society to determine other's rights? Who gave society that right?
Whoever makes any claim to be a member of society would be a member of society. Society isn't cut and dry, though it implies a sense of community, so those deemed by the preexisting
not to be part of the community may not be considered part of society. In regards to your later question, nothing. nothing gives them the right because, as previously stated, rights do not exist objectively. Therefore, the choice of society to dictate who has what rights is a right society had dictated itself to have. It doesn't have any intrinsic weight behind it. Rights don't have any intrinsic weight behind them either. Anyone could claim anyone has any right to anything and it would be just as valid as society dictating who has what right. Society though, being larger and more powerful, albeit more vague, than the individual, would have an easier time enforcing the preservation of these rights than the individual
>>74429202
>What legal framework do you think would solve this?
The patriarchy if it existed.
>Sharia law?
fuck that shit... well actually it does have some good bits
>>74423671
SUMMER
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>>74429840
>you refuse to provide it or choose to stop providing it
There is a difference between nonfeasance and malfeasance.
>>74428963
What is "our" benefit. Benefit of society? Then we could kill everyone that isn't useful to the majority of society. With more people being killed it will only be a matter of time until you belong to the 49% and not the 51% anymore. Every human is a gamble, they have an incentive (money) to be useful, giving them a minimum of money to stay alive and see how far better it would be if they worked, is the best solution.
>>74429160
> Refuse medical help /=/ killing
Letting your child starve is effectively killing it, a mother is responsible for the child, whether it's inside her or not.
>>74426582
And in California
Part of why the Lacey Peterson case was a big deal, since she was pregnant when she was murdered and the CA regards and fetus that would be viable outside the womb to be a person, so the suspect ended up getting slapped with two murder charges
>>74429912
If I learned that as a black feminist woman or a playa' black man I don't know if I would feel angry or relieved. Paradoxically I think I'd feel both. The white man is getting us black folk down - and still I don't wanna' have no kidz...
>>74428296
>zygote
>foetus
choose one
>>74424198
pretty much this
>>74430251
Could we really kill everybody not deemed beneficial? Wouldn't that be detrimental in the fact that opens up the possibility of those deciding it also being killed if they are unfit. The killing of an unborn child to most unaffiliated people be inconsequential, at most causing only emotional pain to those with an attachment to it unless the procedure fails.
>>74430591
>foetus
>foe
kill it.
>>74423254
Op answer me this
do you love niggers?
pro-life
is
pro-nigger
>>74425814
> pregnancy is harm
> Feeding off
So many pregnant women starve because of the babies leeching, sure thing. Fucking evolution spent millions of years to make procreation as good as possible and you just dismiss it as "harmful". PTSD from being pregnant?
>>74425874
That's not why vegans don't like eggs you idiot.
>>74430728
Rights don't need an emotional attachment. Would it be okay to kill elder people that never got children? Kill kids after they become orphant?
>>74430885
So you think a woman that has a reckt vagina and stretchmarks is the same value as a woman that never gave birth? Ever seen a woman before and after she has a child. She looks like she aged 10 years in 9 months.
>>74430885
It does more than feed off of the female. It causes skin damage, pelvic floor damage, vaginal damage, cervical damage, and a long list of other things. Death among them. Pregnancy is gross and dangerous for the female.
>>74430728
Really killing should only rarely be necessary.
http://radiowest.kuer.org/post/american-eugenics
>Journalist Adam Cohen has said if you want to learn about an institution, you look at where it’s gone wrong. For Cohen, Buck v Bell is a moment when the US Supreme Court went terribly wrong. Its 1927 decision upheld eugenics laws, and led to the forced sterilization of Carrie Buck and some 70,000 “undesirables” declared “feebleminded.” Tuesday, Cohen joins us to explain how Americans - and some of our most revered legal minds - succumbed to racism and classism in the name of “uplifting” the human race.
Very good program, (I mean for a blue pilled program, still a lot of good history in it) one of the most prominent pushers of eugenics in america was himself an epileptic (one of the things on his list making him an undesirable) he chose to never have children.
>>74429259
I am.
>>74429380
Which definition are you using?
>>74429840
I think you're right here but what if I can't maintain two air sources for two persons? If I disconnect one I would be killing it and then it wouldn't be wrong. But if I discontent none both will die.
>>74429919
This looks like Hobbes. I can't refute it. Believing in inherent rights or not seems like a religious decision. It is by faith. I can't prove they exist and I can't prove the opposite.
>>74430251
You're right in here, as you said the mother is responsible for the kid. However, when he is an adult he can refuse medical help for himself.
>>74431057
If the majority of people decided that were people to no longer care about them, they could be killed, then yes, if that individual is deemed to be a detriment.
>>74423254
>>74423671
>>74423791
>>74423254
>Rights aren't given to us, or able to be taken away, since every living person has these rights automatically
Democrats don't adhere to any concept of either naturally inherent or god-given rights.
>>74431301
Are ye gunna eat that lad? I have not had meat in ages
>>74431301
Sometimes reality can be macabre or seem depressing. Boo-hoo
1. Survival of the fittest
2. Minorities, the poor, and unfavorables abort most often-- this essentially cleanses society of many of its future "problem" adults.
3. Even worse if raped women/women who are knowingly bearing handicapped children can't abort. Imagine the government forcing your wife to have a child of someone she was raped by.
4. Mental faculties are not developed. Perceptions of the early fetus is weak.
>>74431143
>Which definition are you using?
The word has no meaning. I use the word "human" which means anything that has full working human dna set in it. It says nothing about the rights of that animal.
>>74431301
Let's ban all surgical procedures in general. That shit is nasty.
>>74423970
>Rights are based on sentience
nope. By that logic, a sleeping person has no rights
You're just a babykilling faggot who doesn't realize that all this is is just a means by which urban areas can kill off their own offspring so that they can replace them with people they take from everywhere else. Abortion is literally a means to try to justify neocolonialism and universal misery.
>>74424501
>pick your poison
Utter neutering of the prison system and mass death sentences for anyone convicted longer than 30 years
>>74431143
>I think you're right here but what if I can't maintain two air sources for two persons? If I disconnect one I would be killing it and then it wouldn't be wrong. But if I discontent none both will die.
>it wouldn't be wrong
>wrong
There is no right and wrong. There is logical and illogical, there is socially acceptable and unacceptable. We only have these issues when society as a whole cant choose what is and what is not acceptable. You may be able to say things are ethical and unethical but that change in vocabulary is still hard to quantify.
What is the goal of society? To maximize work done by its population, to maximize pleasure of its population, to maximize justice, to maximize advancement.... All these things conflict and it is unhelpful to try and label things right and wrong. You should instead try to argue how something is advantageous or disadvantageous to society.
Should a computer driven car swerve int a wall and kill its passenger to save a pedestrian in the road? If not should it swerve to save 5 pedestrians or 40? If it should swerve and children learn this and start playing 'chicken' with the cars to crash them, should you change the programming and start killing the kids?
>>74431547
>which means anything that has full working human dna set in it
So a cell culture is a human and deserves "human rights"?
>>74431081
>>74431085
Oh, no, these serious conditions absolutely justify killing an unborn child. How could anyone ever live with that?
For fucks sake, if the woman fucked for fun it's her fault and if she got raped she should just sue her rapist over it. You can sue someone for breaking your leg, but not for sneezing on you. Have a sense of proportion!
>>74423970
Not sentience, consciousness.
>>74431630
>death sentences for anyone convicted longer than 30 years
Such a waist of human capital, go read the 14th amendment and then join me in my crusade to sell off the most valuable prison assets.
>>74423254
how old are you? you should know by now that rights arent real.
>>74432021
Aren't we all just a bunch of cells? Aren't we all just a bunch of atoms? the cell culture evolves into a full grown adult. Where would you draw the line?
>>74432146
Sorry sorry, meant 13th amendment.
>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime...
https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/United_States_of_America_1992
>>74425128
you must have brain damage since you dont seem to comprehend the potential of a human life compared to a dolphin
>>74431301
fake and gay, as expected mate.
>>74431301
>ayy
>>74432239
I roughly draw the line at the fifth year after birth or the start of kindergarten for a parent to have the choice to kill there offspring without penalty.
0 fucks are given about cell cultures or fetuses or infants, they are irrelevant to all but the owners of them as property
>>74432558
You're a sick fuck, but I admire your consistency. But would it be okay to abuse your child before the age of 5? I mean beat, rape, cripple and such?
>>74432036
So what's your opinion on men paying child support if women have to get their shit fucked up because they had unprotected sex. Do men have to help support it or you want to raise the whore's kid on gibsmedat and literally no consequences for the man?
>>74431395
We haven't had nothin but maggoty bread for 3 days!
>>74432535
>Man kills a pregnant women
>Is charged with 2 counts of manslaughter
>Women "aborts" a baby
>DUDE IT'S MY BODY I'LL DO WHAT I WANT I'M A GUUURRLL REEEEEEEEEE!
>>74433339
clearly the woman decides if it is a person or not
>>74432876
If the woman misguided the man she should be held accountable. Otherwise the man must take the risk and pay. It's mostly he said, she said, so finding a solution in court is really hard. A man therefore must take the risk and search for good women beforehand.
>>74433404
> clearly the woman decides if it is a person or not
clearly the slave owner decides if it is a person or not. ITS HIS PROPERTY!
>>74423254
Well OP consider your homework done. I did not care about abortion but this image will stay with me for the rest of my life. Jesus fuck.
>>74426426
>this amphibious ayy lmao is human but black people aren't
/pol/ everybody
>>74432021
Not really, but adult organism also don't deserve any special rights. At the end of the day, nobody would give a fuck about your imaginary rights if he had to chose between you and his own self interest.
whether the fetus has rights is irrelevant. most women who get abortions don't do it because they want to abuse themselves or the fetus, they do it because they have to, because the world sucks. the rest of the world is the problem, abortions are just a side effect that happens and are gonna keep happening until people fix the economy and other shit that makes women not want to give birth.
>>74432812
>You're a sick fuck, but I admire your consistency. But would it be okay to abuse your child before the age of 5? I mean beat, rape, cripple and such?
I'm not for torture or degeneracy. I don't even think parents should be able to kill there little shits any way they want, no reason not to do it humanly. Also strongly against incest and sex with young people you are an authority figure over. Where I your emperor sex laws would be something like this, sex education starting at age 7, the right to consent would be granted to people who pass exams indicating they have a firm understanding of sexual education concepts including biology genetics eugenics anthropology and history, this would be on par with what would be expected of someone graduating high school. There would be no 'age' of consent, just those who have passed there exams and those who have not. If you have not passed your exams you are not permitted to have sex, however the penalty would be very mild for children and adolescence and much more strict as people age. If someone is repeatably unable to reproduce in an acceptable manner they would be sterilized. Single party prostitution would be legal, organized prostitution rings or pimps and the like would be illegal, penalty for such would be sever perhaps being sold into slavery.
>>74427998
>caring about a woman and/or her unborn bastard child
>>74423254
A parent should be able to decide if their child lives or dies.
>>74423254
I don't think its right, but if you need to do then do it. I have sort of established a quota made by my self to determine if it is okay. If yes is said to any of these then abort the baby.
> Could the mother die.
> Can the mother support the baby and nobody wants to adopt it (Foster care is not an option)
> Is the baby going to be born with a sever physical defect ex: Missing Leg, Deformed Hands, Small circulatory system.
> Is the baby going to be mentally retarded
> Law limiting the number of offspring in your country ex: China.
I don't think the mother should ever bail on having the baby if the mother suddenly decides she does not want the baby and nothing is wrong. I also think it should not be used as birth control (that is what contraceptives and condoms are for).
>>74423970
Define sentience
>>74428950
>hispanics to jump on board
Sorry senpai, but those fags are all catholic, and even if little Jose is retarded they'll keep him.
im conflicted. i dont like the idea, but at the same time it keeps the minority population down.
