>be here in 2012
>come here to debate Ron Paul
>have heated debates about economic policies where anons show deep unmemed knowledge of economy
>"you must understand the rise of government spending in the Iraq and Afghanistan war was directly related to the capitalization of banks through the federal reserve system..."
>leave shortly after Ron Paul loses
>learned a lot and debated a lot. Went from communist to libertarian
>come back in 2016
>want to understand Trump phenomenon
>try to start a debate criticizing Trump's tariff plan as a possible hindrance to the middle class who gets easy consumption thanks to cheap exports from China
>"FUCKING MONKEY"
>"BUILD A WALL"
>"WHAT HAS BRAZIL EVER INVENTED?!?!?!"
>"YOU CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP"
Why has the level of discussions in /pol/ fallen since Trump became popular? No one here understands economy, they just fire memes and insults at masthodontical rates. I see no arguements wherever I see.
Is it just meme or has /pol/ really become dumber in comparison to 2012?
Fuck off cuck.
>>74403783
Nice arguement.
I applaude your eloquence.
Not just a meme. Discussion has dwindled as reddit and newfags have invaded for their false prophet of memes back in August to late September
>inb4 thread is spammed by newfags with /b/-tier one-word replies and shitposting
>>74403633
Because Trump's actually winning, so we don't have to work as hard.
>>74403633
Discussions on /pol/ have been shit for a while now, but /pol/ harbor is really what made this into /b/ 2.0
>>74403883
I thought Reddit supported Sanders and Hillary.
>>74403911
Basic education should do the trick.
If you support Trump, you are in for a massive upset.
He is accepting money from donors and this will severely limit his capacity as a candidate.
When he doesn't build a wall or supports gun control in a public speech, I'm afraid /pol/ will break apart.
>Lolbertarians
I'm so glad Trump is making you mental teenagers fuck off finally
>>74403633
I was almost going to give a proper response, but you're a Brazilian libertarian.
>>74403633
>Brazil
I don't care if Trump wants tariffs. Anything is better than what we have now. The biggest appeal for trump is that he's not establishment and doesn't seem to be a sociopath.
>>74403783
Shoo, shoo redditfrog
Combination of factors. Mostly to do with the extreme shilling going on. It was better before the primaries, honestly, when we were all trying to vet him.
To answer your critique: the ability to buy cheap shit is not the only metric of a healthy economy. At this point, the working class in America is out of work. It doesn't matter how cheap the shit gets, we can't buy it.
You never understood what you believed you understood in the first place.
I wish I could explain how it works but you're a commie.
>>74403633
The userbase gets progressively younger as /pol/ gets more well known and a truckload of newfags funnel in every day as well as paid shills. A lot of the more intellectual hardliner types migrated to other chans because they didn't want to deal with it.
Yeah it's a bit shit.
I like Trump. But I don't like that we've devolved into senseless apes who repeat the same phrases over and over.
It'd be better if we could still support Trump and have MAGA threads while also having debate.
>>74404045
Reddit isn't one person. A lot of the more apathetic undergraduate unemployed engineering students who were suddenly emotionally hijacked during the Paris attacks as well as underaged first-time Nietzsche readers jumped on /pol/ during November last year, should be very noticeable for anyone who's been browsing since before them.
>>74403633
I don't find my opinion being valued as much in serious topics so I don't put effort into a long winded logical post because it usually gets overlooked or one word "naw" or "autistic post" reply. I believe its been a blessing in disguise though as it makes an easier transition away from 4chan, it's been pretty habitual to come here all these years.
>>>>74403633
Because since 2012, many people have become aware of a more pressing existential threat: the death of traditionalism, masculinity, thier demographic majority. Trump is a beacon of hope; a breathing protestation to every thing decadent and faggish about America today. I say this as a rather liberal person, and someone who acknowledges his stupidity and incoherence. I don't care about his gaffes -public and private. I just love Donald Fuckin Trump
>>74403633
Get the fuck out you dirty nigger.
You're not even human, why should we treat you as one?
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y6fyP8p.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>74403633
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz1VQ06pJ-Y
fucking monkey have fun with your Zika impaired brain mongoloid
>>74404045
Nope, /pol/ is getting a lot of refugees from /r/thedonald or however the fuck reddit nomenclature is.
>>74403783
This.
I am capable of the discussion and was here during the Ron Paul years, this is more effective.
Guys, please stop being rude to our Brazilian friend. He only wishes to Make /pol/ Great Again.
>>74403633
Fucking monkey
>>74404301
>Implying I haven't been here since /new/
>Implying you're not just an assblasted Paulbot.
>>74404310
>>74404287
>>74404227
>>74404207
>>74404185
Ok, thanks. I think I got it.
I assume /pol/ that although /pol/ has become very dumbed down, this model seems to work far better, sadly.
Repeated memes speak louder than an actual discussion.
Have you guys ever tried to criticize Trump in this board? I've only had failures, memes and saged threads.
>>74403633
These are kids on their cellphones. Why would you come here to discuss economic policy?
>>74403633
This is just another /b/, the only good option was 4+4 /pol/, but Jim fucked that chan.
>>74404057
Delicious butthurt.
>>74404470
SHROO SHROO NIPPRON
Informed opinions are for cucks real alphas don't let thoughts get in the way of their actions
>>74403633
fugg off shill
t. poo in loo
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>>74404448
potato nigger
Why do you guys still come to /pol/? It is clear I'm not really the only one disappointed with the state of the board. Half is old memes and the other half is meaningless trivia.
>>74404526
It isn't that we're dumbed down. It's that we've had these arguments before. All of them. Hundreds of times. We've become very efficient at them.
>>74404180
>Mostly to do with the extreme shilling going on.
Yeah, this has a lot to do with the quality of posting. They have succeeded in their shilling in a way, with the fact that anybody who, like OP, comes here looking for a reasonable debate will be spammed with one word responses because everybody is sick of the shillbots and no longer bother putting effort into their argument.
![mc-video-trump-miner-hat-shovels-coal-20160506[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/svs5XfA.jpg "mc-video-trump-miner-hat-shovels-coal-20160506[1].jpg")
>>74404526
>criticize Trump
>implying Trump has any flaws
>>74404287
Same here. Actual constructive discussion might be rare nowadays, but I'll admit that this place's status as the up-and-coming earthshattering meme factory of the entire cultural sphere has kept me around because it's just so goddamn entertaining.
>>74404721
>ifuny.com
>>74403783
fpbp
>>74404526
I'll give you one actual response:
The reason that criticizing Trump doesn't end well is because of anti-Trump shills.
It's one thing to discuss Trump's protectionism (Which I'm for); it's another thing entirely to fling shit, yammer on about "Free trade" and then encourage everyone to jump ship to the Lolbertarian Party.
In nearly every instance I've seen, when people criticize Trump, they don't want discussion or debate, they just want to shill, break morale and establish a false consensus.
Add that Reddit screencap into the mix, where you have Bern victims advocating coming to /pol/ to disrupt any sort of pro-Trump discussion, and here we are.
>>74404748
I think you are blaming a ghost.
Paid shills are less than 1% of the posters. They couldn't have ruined an entire board. You'll pardon me but I think it has nothing to do with shills and much more to /pol/'s culture. It has switched from libertarianism based on deontology and utilitarism to basic statism.
>>74403633
We tried reason and Ron Paul lost.
Now we pray to Kek (peace be upon him) to win us the vote and we're winning.
We don't need to reason anymore, because we have Kek. Just sit back and be comfy. Aid our efforts by shitposting and awooposting to piss off libshits.
BUILD A WALL, MEHICO TACO WILL PAY FOR IT!
>>74403633
/pol/ hasn't figured out that Trump is the Chosen one.
He's literally running against a pitiful old man and a disgusting woman.
He will spark the race wars that will finally cement the rabbi's legal control of the US. Gun control will definitely happen under his reassuring, smug, reign.
>>74403633
we are done arguing, we've decided to go with Trump this election for the lulz and liberal tears.
He has some good policies too, that's a plus I suppose.
>>74404721
>Why do you guys still come to /pol/?
shitposting
>>74404901
Except you haven't seen it. And now you sound like a shill. Because those of us who have been following here since last July, have seen it devolve due to shills.
>>74403633
Memes, bro. Memes.
>>74404526
>criticizing Trump
>the only candidate left that wants to build a wall
Gee, what motive could Brazil have for this?
>>74404901
shills are a major component of this board, I would say around 30% of the posts are manufactured
Id say there's close to a 100% chance you are one of those shills
>>74405093
Their economy is broke and Correct the Record is outsourcing.
>>74404901
That's not the case at all. There's been no "ideological shift."
The Libertarians are still here. The united front you saw coalesced around Ron Paul was a coalition of nationalists, angry at the Republican Party, Paleoconservatives, and real Libertarians.
We all supported Paul, but for very different reasons. This time around, the candidate of choice in Donald Trump. The nationalists (who have been here since /new/) are just having their 'day in the sun.'
>>74405067
It is not my intent.
But then again, I can't be called a shill because I protest a board's culture. Specially when more than half this thread posters agree with me about the impossibility of discussion here.
I believe accusing others of being shills and using it as an excuse to avoid arguements is part of the problem.
>>74405126
The fact I've given him reasoned responses and he's ignored me in favor of emotional responses tells me he's a shill. Fuck this guy. Enjoy the thread.
>>74404901
I miss that relatively short period where National Socialism and Orthodox Christianity were really popular. That was the last time I remember seeing a lot of genuinely involved discussion going on here. I think that was right before GG happened and maybe a little bit after.
>>74403633
You used to be a communist, OP. You have no right to call everyone else idiots.
>>74405371
>>74405179
This is a witch hunt.
Does anyone even have ANY proof that people are being paid to have on opinion that is not part of /pol/'s canon?
>>74405309
No one agrees with you dipshit. We do have reasoned discussions and I've been trying to engage you in one you dumb nigger but you can't be bothered and would rather keep spinning your dumb fucking fantasy that chan board culture isn't inherently chaotic. Go fuck yourself.
/pol/'s Ron Paul strategy - intelligent, informed debate - was a loser.
But never let it be said that /pol/ is incapable of learning from its mistakes. After 4 years of brainstorming and market-testing, we have crafted - and implemented - a new strategy for Trump which is enjoying great success.
Calling everyone who doesn't agree with Trump cucks is turning into a rocket ride to the White House, baby.
>>74403633
Ron Paul was awesome and I feel he would have been the best President of our generation; however, in this day and age politics are basically a popularity contest. It's more about how well you present yourself on television than how good your policies are.
Sadly, Ron Paul would never of had a chance to beat HIillatard in the general election. Trump is 'cool' and 'edgy.' He is also the best choice within the current field. He has created a very interesting political climate, a movement on the scale which most of us have never seen in a lifetime.
If he is able to deliver in his promises he made, I think he will have our country headed in the right direction.
>>74405309
You made a thread to complain about the lack of good discussion instead of making a thread to discuss something interesting that you're knowledgeable on.
You are the problem, my dear hue.
Influx of new users from the same general age range that 4chan has always had (teenagers and college-age) but younger people are getting more and more lazy and government education is terrible
Can't expect much
>>74405490
I've never claimed that people are being paid to shill here. I only brought up Reddit, and they do it for free.
>>74405520
I agree.
I don't see ANY of Ron Paul's enthusiasm in Trump. He is a live-studio audience broadcaster. He says what the common man wants to hear and repeats the same sentences time and time again. He has recoiled when it comes to donors and abortion. I have no reason to believe he'll recoil in everything else. He is also pro-gun control.
>>74405733
>Abortion
Don't care either way
>Donors
A good chunk of that is going to other Republicans running. Trump actually does have a responsibility now. With at least one SCOTUS seat hanging in the balance, and more coming, you have to be pragmatic.
I care about his "America first" attitude towards foreign policy, his stance on illegal immigrants, and his trade policy.
I'll worry when he starts backpedaling on those.
>>74404721
Same reason I still come to 4chan as a whole.
I'm here forever.
>>74403633
>>74404526
There is actual discussion you shitter, just lurk moar
>>74403633
Honestly it's probably because the discussion is long past over. The future was looking bleak for the West and out of nowhere comes Donald Fucking Trump to throw what is effectively a last ditch Hail Mary pass and stave off certain collapse.
He's far from perfect but his stated policies and principles are mostly in line with the /pol/ "give mind". Anyone else is doomed to fail, or leads to certain decline and fall. And Trump may fuck up as well, but when you get to choose between a chance at life with a risk of painful death, or certain death, that gamble starts to look pretty good.
