Is the NEET phenomenon akin to what the Japanese call 'grass eaters'? Are law and policy the driving forces behind these phenomena, or is something else to blame?
Are any of you NEET, or have you been a NEET at any point in your life? For how long? Were you able to improve and get out of your NEET situation?
I'm 26 with no degree and no serious work experience, and the need to get my shit together has hit me pretty hard recently. In my case, my situation was initiated by family issues and essentially having little opportunities and no guidance of any kind, and perpetuated over the longer term by my own immaturity. I've been working to turn it around, however:
>been getting up at 6 a.m. every day.
>working out at least 2x a week consistently, lifting and some mild cardio
>got some shitty part time Internet job that pays Indian-tier wages but at least it's something to pay the cell phone bill
>improving relationship with gf
>learning to code in the evenings in an effort to eventually get a job in the field
What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it? Moreover, how can we fix it in ourselves at the individual level?
Get a job even if it doesn't pay much. Save money for retirement. Don't waste money on random vices like smoking cigarette.
Also don't buy too much fast food. Buy cheap groceries, cook your own food.
Good luck.
>>74382799
What about fast food that is relatively cheap, like McDoubles? ;_;
>>74382539
>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it?
Apathy, social anxiety and a sense of alienation. I don't know how to fix it.
I've been unemployed or working shitty minimum wage jobs for my entire adult life.
>>74382986
>I've been unemployed or working shitty minimum wage jobs for my entire adult life.
>>74382539
>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it?
I think we as a society have been conditioned to believe that working 9-5 for 40 years to pay off debt is the natural state of the adult human.
This is the narrative that capitalists and their media want. If you aren't contributing to the economy by being a consumer, you're a loser.
NEETs have the internet. The world and its all its knowledge at their fingertips. Exploring this all day every day is much more appealing than working at a job so your boss's boss's boss can get that much closer to obtaining a second yacht for this summer. It's all bullshit.
TL;DR
Some people find happiness without making money. This pisses off the wage slave, who is trapped in the system. They can't quit because their loved ones will suffer. A NEET likely doesn't have a spouse or dependents, so they are beholden to no one. They are free.
>>74383376
>I think we as a society have been conditioned to believe that working 9-5 for 40 years to pay off debt is the natural state of the adult human.
What do you think the natural state is, though? I'm pretty sure struggle against nature and against one another is what everything boils down to, anon. Getting to do so in an office building while browsing 4chan (or whatever) every so often is a privilege and a luxury.
I'd much rather it be this way than have to go collect berries and attempt to kill a buffalo just to barely subsist.
>>74383376
The last section of this is completely true. You need to find freedom from social obligations to be a truly free person.
>>74383376
>They can't quit because their loved ones will suffer
But your loved ones are constantly suffering as long as you're a NEET mooching off of them.
>>74383560
Yeah I see what you're saying. I think the problem is our technology has advanced far quicker than our biology. We're still full of hunter gatherer DNA.
I think a lot of the problem is finding purpose in life. Survive and reproduce is the true purpose of all life forms. Suddenly, because of our technology, these primal purposes become trivial. Suddenly, you're told, your purpose in life is to work 9-5 so you can pay off the mortgage to your two story home. What? That's nowhere near as fulfilling as surviving, so some people reject it, because they don't see it as a fulfilling purpose in life.
Of course I say these things but I definitely live in a home and not out in a cave somewhere.
>>74382539
>tfw self-employed and property owner since '03
Feels good.
>>74383951
I live with my mom who is divorced and super lonely, so I justify that I'm not making her suffer at all by spending time with her and voluntarily doing all the work that a man in her life would do.
It's a symbiotic relationship. I also eat very little, take short showers and only use electricity for computer/internet. I consciously takes steps to avoid being a big financial burden.
>>74384193
Mind sharing what you do? Were you a NEET before that? How old are you, etc.?
I get 1130 bucks every month. Why should I work again?
I was a NEET for two and a half years after fucking up my STEM degree due to apathy, family issues
Also a lack of need- my parents have enough money for me to be a basement dweller indefinitely- but not enough money for me to live an independent party life.
Got into the auto industry right outta high school, now work maintenance making $36/hr doing little work throughout the day, although work is going to pick up in the fall considerably, im enjoying it right now.
>>74384519
Independent auto shop? Dealership? Something else?
>>74384370
>tfw no parents with money to bail me out
>>74384285
The world was easy mode before 2007 recession.
>>74384634
I bet you own a bunch of those conjoined townhomes that you guys call houses, don't you, you wealthy bastard?
>>74382700
Don't do this OP. If you're going to get a job, get a good one. If you don't have skills then get them. You have no excuse with the internet.
>>74384832
I have a few months before I legitimately don't have a place to live. I can either work a shit job part time and study part time, or I can starve in a few months.
>>74384964
if I was faced with homelessness, I would drop the NEET thing is 5 seconds flat. Living on the street is worse than working a 9-5.
>>74384720
no. If I had that sort of money then I could be an eternal NEET, and be able to support the lifestyle of having a gf.
I'm skirting on the lower edges of middle class.
And my personal wealth is very low, though I am privileged in being able to live with my parents and avoid paying bills/rent so my meagre salary gets mostly turned into savings.
>>74384193
I own an apartment but same, though I did it relatively recently.
I feel like a feudal lord, senpai.
>>74385300
apartment building*
>>74384285
I was NEET for a few years, then went into the lawn-care business, sold my company after two years and started buying property. Founded a handful of other small businesses mostly around property management and construction, half of them failed, but still made enough to keep my rental business growing. Currently have a little over a dozen houses in my area and two side businesses dealing with real estate.
>>74384634
True; however, the housing crash killed off most people like me who were heavily into the housing and property business in '08. If I had been like most property investors at the time I would have lost my shirt, but I had great locations and enough side-jobs to keep it together. '08-'10 was still dicey as fuck though.
TBQH the market is still wide open now and I think a kid doing what I did today could still make it if he put in the time to learn how. Local regs are the biggest hurdle to jump so it's best to find a mentor you can trust. Church is good for that.
>>74385112
I'm probably not literally going to starve in the streets, but it's possible. In either case I have to make a judgment call and try to work toward a real career in the near future while earning a few bucks on the side, or just go get stuck in a dead-end job and barely make rent every month
fuck these captchas
I'm currently NEET after a yuuuge bout of bipolar fucking everything up, absolutely hate it and trying to be as active as I can until I find more work. I don't understand how people can spend their lives sitting around on benefits if they don't have to without hating themselves
>>74383376
The problem with neets is that 95+% of them don't make proper use of all that free time. The 5% of neets that aren't just redundant piles of protoplasm don't do enough good to outweigh the burden the majority of NEETs bring upon us.
Our society has not advanced far enough with technology and automation to justify a majority population of NEETs. Further, when that day comes - do you sincerely believe the global elite, the owners of this planet, will allow you to continue bottom feeding? When labor is no longer needed by the general population, we're on our own. This won't happen in our live times but it will occur in the next century.
I'm not asking you to stop being NEET, I'm just asking NEETs to actual make use of all that free time not solely for their own pleasure, but to improve the lives of others as well as their own.
>Been a NEET for the last 10 years
>Finally got a job a couple of months ago, but only like 4 hours a week
>Already fucking it up
>Probably gonna end up as a full-time NEET again soon
Kill me.
>In my case, my situation was initiated by family issues and essentially having little opportunities and no guidance of any kind, and perpetuated over the longer term by my own immaturity.
Same here. Been a NEET for 6 years if you discount the minimum wage jobs. My head feels numb due to being inactive and I have little to no cognitive ability left. I tried asking doctors for help but they're all worthless as fuck. My parents did this to me... I fucking HATE them.
Riding the NEET train until I'm no longer able. Then I'll just off myself.
>>74386144
this
>>74385864
What are you doing now?
>>74382539
i also work from home for pooinloo wages. im just so disillusioned and unmotivated to spend my time around muslims and lefties at uni for 4 years just for the privilege of earning a pile of debt
18 yr old here.
I feel forced to succeed by my parents and family to go to Uni and get a degree and shit. I don't want to get a good job. I don't care about success. No one will remember us after we are gone and I don't want kids or marriage so money isn't a huge issue.
How do I do my own thing without commiting sudoku from the family shame /pol/?
>>74386683
Why not just aim to get a part-time job doing something you like then?
>>74386683
just do it and ignore them
they'll give up eventually
>>74386812
I don't like anything. All through my GCSE's I've not found a passion. I'm okay at maths and Science is gud but that's it.
>>74386878
Then do math and science.
Even if you don't want to do anything now, but with a degree in science and mathmatics you can always pick up a well-paying job down the line if you change your mind.
I'm a NEET on "universal credit".
Every day is the same, I sleep in the morning, wake up around 5pm do my jobsearch and then play games or watch anime till morning.
I am literally losing track of time all the weeks feel blended together.
>>74386683
Are your parents paying? If not, do whatever you want. If they are, fucking suck it up and take advantage of the opportunity you have right now. Even if you don't want it now, you may well in the future, and life will be a million times easier if you don't be a little bitch and stop whining about some faggy bullshit you thought up in your little 18-year-old head. I wish I had someone to tell me this when I was 18, even though I didn't have any parents to pay my way.
>>74387047
There's a clear difference between being good at/being able to do something, and wanting to/having a passion for something.
>>74386878
i know its very easy to blame the system and all that, but the public school system in this country is fucking shit, they dont try and help you find out what it is you want to do in life, they just push the importance of passing your gcse's and memorising textbooks
>>74387117
>when your application doesn't get a response
>>74382539
Never been NEET. Been working like a nigger in a cotton field since I was 14. I have also made the time to enrich my body and mind. I got that fucking peice of paper(degree) which opened more doors for me then you could imagine. I'm in my late 20s and will most likely retire around 35, 40 at the very latest. On the flipside my brother was a hardcore drug addict with multiple arrest as a teenager/adult. Never had a job, lived on welfare till about his late twenties. He is now clean, with a PhD, and enjoying life in the highest tax bracket in America. The point is anon keep working hard don't let your current situation or your past dictate who you want to become in the future.
>>74387047
This is b.s.
To get a job in the UK you need to:
1) be good looking so HR girls will give you a chance
2)be willing and able to work for free for a few months
3) have no gaps in your CV
4) take interviews incredibly well
If he picks a degree he isn't passionate about he will fuck it up, there are no jobs for "science" and "maths" other than teaching or ultra passionate phd students.
>>74387441
Can't really say much about the state of the UK job market, but I imagine having a degree is still better than having nothing at all.
>>74386683
>I don't want to get a good job. I don't care about success. No one will remember us after we are gone
There's a good marcus aurelius quote about how foolish it is that men want to be remembered after death, because the people who remember them will also die, and all eventually all is lost
I've never been a neet, started my work life 11yrs ago, did the wageslave thing, gained relevant industry contacts and opened my entrepreneurship 3yrs ago, quit my original job last year and now I want a small business, completely unrelated to my original career but already in planning phase with my trusted business partner. Hopefully it'll take off but no big deal if it doesn't
I don't need much, got over my materialistc phase a few years in, now I just aim for stability and having a family of my own with loads of free time and means to do it in comfort
>>74382539
Total NEET herein my mid 30s.Dropped out of A level studies 'cos was offered a good job at a bank, few hundred quid a week at age 16 in 1997 was amazing and I couldn't turn it down. Job was soul destroying in an office with a load of old cunts so left. NEET for a few years wasting life gaming.
Then started making money as a pirate uploader on the old Surfthechannel site and a piracy forum making cash from Kim Dotcom, bless you Kim <3 Someone hacked my account and tried to cash in my points for 10 000 dollars, reported it and they returned my account but wiped all my uploads. Heartbroken gave up became a gaming NEET on WOW
Literally feel too old for education, economy here in Birmingham is a wreck no job, every fucker wants to hire EEs or SJW grads. Now selling antique glass on ebay a few hours a week for cash and staying with my fucking family. No GF. Fuck very pretty 9/10 escorts from time to time with ebay cash.
Literally logged into wow this very second, literally camping Galleon right now on WOW as I type this then I will go eat and fap to Blacked.com latest vid.
NEET hell.No escape. Fuck fuck fuck
>>74387675
it depends, if you do the degree and don't do well in it then that is worse than not having a degree. Office experience is a requirement for pretty much every office job going.
In that 4 years you could have worked on a low tier office job, learnt programming skills, etc.
Degrees are mostly completely useless in an office environment.
>>74388291
how much do 9/10 escorts cost?
>>74384234
I'm in a similar spot, though sadly not NEET. I plan on offing myself as soon as my debts are paid.
>>74388291
Jesus Christ.
>>74386588
Being a NEET -- sleeping, playing vidya, eating, wishing I was dead... you know, the typical NEET stuff.
>>74386683
Be like me. Get that degree, get that job and pay your debts. Repay your parents for raising you by living up to their ideals. The moment your debt is gone and you are free, make your own choices. Live, die, you are your own master at that point.
I have lost hope on humanity after spending time on /pol/. Being a NEET seems to be the best option in this dying world.
28 years old with a degree in STEM but haven't even applied for a job yet, been done with degree for half a year now.... just dont know, guess I'm worried that I won't get a job when I start applying but I am compounding my problems by holding off on applying making it that much worse
How are all you NEETfags so depressed. It's literally trivial research to get a small business going if you want to make more money without going full normie and if your welfare system is generous enough you can literally do whatever you want all day instead.
Lift weight, read good books, go outside, meet new people, shit. Most of you are worse than niggers.
>>74382539
>23
>dropped out of high school at 16
>live with parents
>never worked
>haven't been outside since December when I went to my aunt's house on Christmas
>spend all day everyday on /pol/, masturbating, watching anime and playing video games
>>74382539
>Tfw currently doing volunteer work in hopes of internship
At least it's something I like and am passionate about.
Yeah how do you get out of this hell? I'm not 26 but damn close. The cycle is fucking impossible to snap out of. No degree here either.
>>74388955
>It's literally trivial research to get a small business going if you want to make more money without going full normie
What kind of small business, though? That's a really broad and ambiguous statement.
>>74389049
>what is google
Literally all the information you need at your fingertips, just stop being a nigger.
>>74388955
Jesus Christo...
I'm 24, I was a NEET for one year because of an illness and it was maddening. I felt like such a piece of shit.
I can't believe people actually make the choice to remain NEETs. You're fucking parasites.
>>74389052
My first business was lawncare, but other easy shit abounds, just google search for first business ideas, small business ideas, common business ideas for kids/students. Most of the things you think are over-saturated, been-done-to-death, etc. are actually not. These days people are so incredibly fixated on education and stupid credentials most of the small businesses that used to be really competitive are actually easy to get into and make money without a hell of a lot of start-up money.
>>74388662
160 ph have to research to avoid the dogs. If ur in brum look up Sweet Pola, uni student looks like a Made In Chelsea girl 120 ph
Graduated 2 months ago haven't felt like searching for a job yet, will have to though cause living off my savings.
>>74389357
Alright, thanks for the encouragement and the tips.
>>74389440
Go get em tiger.
Quick, career suggestions for NEET with no degree.
>>74382539
Im 24, and I love being a neet.
In September 2014 I was made redundant from my factory job, which relocated within New Zealand. At the time I had a burgeoning opiate addiction that had been going on for about a year. The first weekend after that I spent $2000 on morphine and $600 on weed. Within a month the drugs were gone, within two all my money/resources were depleted. Spent 6 months stealing, dealing, borrowing, and occasionally begging. Lost many friends, never had much family. Finally after spending two weeks in hospital rehab I got off opiates, but not before being diagnosed with hep c.
For six months after I felt weak, could barely get out of bed without the gear. For a further six months I received treatment for the hep c, which is now successfully undetectable. The medication was horrible, and that entire time I was a low functioning mess. Midway through the the meds I started making a sincere effort to eat well, and towards the end started exercising.
Two months ago I finished the meds, and since then my life has been better than it had been for 9 years previous. I'm in great shape, and fine health. I now wake up everyday at 8am. I eat breakfasts. Spend my day pursuing my interests. I have completely reinvigorated my garden, and repainted most of my house.
I have taken on small cash jobs (also painting and gardening) to supplement my benefit, and no longer behave in a degenerate manner, but still get to enjoy my time.
And my time belongs to me.
Now, after a total year and a half of neetdom, the government are finally forcing me to get a job, no more neetbuxs.
No more free time/leisure. No more cooking feasts fit for a medieval king, no more weekday three hour hikes done on a whim.
A return to boring, stressful minimal-wageslave jobs and being answerable to some fat boss.
The job interviews so far have been a nightmare, and im intentionally stretching out the process to secretly remain neet.
>>74389685
Trash man, politician, truck driver
>>74389685
I've spent a long time looking into this, and, unless you want to get into a trade and work with your hands, programming is one of the only options.
>inb4 pajeet and/or anti-pajeet brigade, cs majors with no prospects, etc.
>>74382941
Even though it seems cheap, in the long run its better for you and less expensive. Mostly due to your health: 100 a month on mcdonalds food and a 400 dollar medical bill for throat absess and damaged liver, or a simple 200 a month grocery bill.
>>74389846
How do you get into programming in your mid 20's and without any prior experience? Seems to me that'd be a field of work where you absolutely would have to have a degree.
>>74389891
Why would a simple hamburger give me a damaged liver? That's total nonsense.
>tfw starting to have panic attacks
>tfw was ALWAYS socially retarded, and bad at math
>tfw took one year pause after finishing high school, have still no idea what to do
>don't even get NEETbux, just live from savings
>tfw heart is racing every day, starting to have panic attacks
>tfw absolutely paralyzed by fear at this point
>tfw always hated myself
>tfw only 21 years old and already completely stuck and finished
>>74382539
>NEET
>girlfriend
nah nigga you're a failed normie, not a NEET
>>74382539
neet for 3 months now
its the life :D
wake up
computer
eat
shit
jack off
computer
3am
sleep
>>74382539
>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it? Moreover, how can we fix it in ourselves at the individual level?
Parents, technology, handouts.
t. former long term NEET
>>74388955
>Lift weight, read good books, go outside, meet new people, shit.
you sound like one of those "just get some pussy bro" guys
a lot of NEETs have psychological issues that can't be fixed by snapping your fingers. Please don't give solutions to a problem you're completely ignorant of.
>>74389685
Dry Cleaner. Bonus points for the satisfaction of taking something filled imperfections and faults and making it right. Feels like a microcosm of ethnic cleansing. Get a Responsible Service of Alcohol, they cost like $30 and enable you to do bar work. Do mowing and weeding. Become a street cleaner. A Mailman. Basically any low tier civil servant. Go for a chain with bad/shitty working conditions. It'll generally have a high turnover meaning they'll be more than willing to pick you up, and you're desperate enough to stay.
>>74390003
My neighbor is a college dropout who worked from home as a freelance programmer/developer. He used that to get hired at a start-up and now makes more than I do and they send him all over the world to present to clients.
>>74390094
You just described my day but I sleep at 4am
>>74390003
>How do you get into programming in your mid 20's and without any prior experience? Seems to me that'd be a field of work where you absolutely would have to have a degree.
It's actually the other way around--programming is one of the few fields which still puts production and ability above everything else. As a programmer, if you're up-to-date and in a good field, you need a strong portfolio and ideally some experience, but that's really it. Read into it and you'll find that a lot of people say the same thing.
An acquaintance of mine recently got in at some small insurance company out in bumfuck nowhere because he had three apps on the App Store and a couple of shitty repos on github. 50k starting, benefits, work at home once a week, work in a cushy office, free toys...
I got cucked by his anecdote desu
Anyway I've been doing that ever since and I've had a few recruiters contact me and aquaintances point me toward their jobs pages even though I'm nowhere near qualified, feels pretty good
>>74390109
>t. former long term NEET
Mind elaborating on your situation and how you fixed it?
>neet for 2 years
>finally start making some money on ebay
Feels good desu.
>>74382539
Does anyone feel bad about being a NEET?
>>74390619
>Doesn't everyone feel bad about being a NEET?
ftfy
>>74382539
I'm at that midway point between being a NEET and being a normalfag.
Basically I refuse to work more than I need to survive. I don't spend cash on drugs, juices, sodas, just water and tea, and I eat maybe twice a day tops.
Likewise I do not date, so that keeps more money to myself.
>What is at the root of this problem on a societal level, and how can we fix it?
There's not an appealing enough incentive to continue to work. What's in it for me? Nothing. Why the fuck would I sign my life away just to carry more stress?
Boomers, this is the future you chose. Raise kids with a 'be anything you want to be' attitude and hand out participation trophies left right and center, eventually people will just opt out of the rat race pissing game bullshit.
I definitely have.
I hate when people say that us neets are not voting for our self interests when we vote for trump.
I'm sure I'm like most NEETs here, I don't want to be a NEET for ever. I want to progress but there aren't that many opportunities for a neet to be quite frank. I'm speaking from personal experience when I say that getting a fast food job is tough because there a lot of older Mexicans working there on permits.
If trump brings jobs back we can get a good job without being cucked by illegals we can live through a golden age of prosperity.
>>74390619
In my year as one, I sincerely believe that if you don't feel bad about it, you're a piece of fucking shit and you should be beaten.
>>74390614
how?
>>74390619
Yes, always. I wish I had a job and a woman.
>>74390686
It's depressing, but it feels good
>>74390820
>excuses
This is why you'll never succeed at a high level. You can find a job if you look hard enough; you just don't want to work hard.
>>74382941
Enjoy your cancer from eating that plastic
>>74390820
>grandfather walked into a factory and got a job
>grandmother walked into an office and got a job
>grandfather earned $30/hour
>grandmother $20/hour
>this was decades ago
>paid for their house in cash, took them one year of savings (!)
>"Why don't you just get a simple job and work your way up? You're not too good for x"
>when I try to explain that $7 today was $1 when they were my age, they refuse to accept it
"Just walk in, look the boss in the eye, give him a firm handshake, and ask for a job"
Networking is really the best way to get a job. I know a lot of you have poor social skills, but if you join a church or something and attend social events they'll take pride in helping you out. There's a mix of professions that go to churches so whatever your skills you could find someone willing to help you out if you're not a total weirdo.
>>74390869
Reselling cult weebshit.
>>74385416
What a comfy gif.
>>74391133
>if you're not a total weirdo
Years of isolation have fucked me up socially.
I don't feel guilt because society fucked me before I was even born, fuck them all ill stay NEET and feel no guilt.
>>74390619
i do, time moves fast as fuck, that really makes me anxious
>>74390499
Damn man, I really think this might be the way to go for me. Anybody have any suggestions of where to start with this?
>>74390739
good post
>Basically I refuse to work more than I need to survive.
same with me
>just water, and I eat maybe twice a day tops
same with me
>What's in it for me? Nothing.
If you don't care about materialism/consumerism, there isn't really an incentive. Some people have realized that working long hours so their boss can buy a 3rd car is a bullshit way to live. It's like a pyramid scheme.
The people who care about consumerism will have a drive to always work so they can buy more more more, and the people don't care will refuse to participate in the rat race, as you said.
>>74383951
you could say that about any kind of personality you don't like though.
how is a NEET more of a drain than a materialistic western girl with 200k in debt and a few maxed out credit cards?
>>74391104
Yeah I hear the same shit from old people all the time. Fuck boomers, seriously, they've completely missed the part about most of our jobs being outsourced to asia and cannot possibly comprehend that there are not as many jobs available as there are people living in a country.
I wish I knew what living in a country with full employment feels like.
>>74382539
“. . . the discovery of the NEET virus is one of the greatest revolutions that has taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the NEET virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the NEET.”
>>74391435
I can give you full details and my whole self-study cirriculum bro, got Twitter or an email address I can mail?
>>74391104
this.also
>go to store because they're hiring
>dressed nice, clean cut
>ask for the manager
>tell him my name and say I would love to work for them
>he tells me to go online and apply
>apply
>call back the next day
>he says all the positions are taken
>go back to the store
>all the people in the lunch area are talking like they're buddies
>mfw they got in by a nepotism connection
why even bother to put a now hiring sign up when the people who work there are just going to get their friends in? This happens at every fucking store here. Almost every person is Filipino because they keep hiring their cousins. There is a store I really wanted to work for but it's full of Filipinos who know each other. fuck this shit.
>>74391496
The girl is likely to eventually provide value to society, or to motivate a man who will
>>74390981
>This is why you'll never succeed at a high level
I know I'll never be like trump.
>>74391650
>I know I'll never be like trump.
With that attitude, you're right, you don't stand a chance.
>>74391632
she's more likely to divorce and permanently take from someone who provides, that's a double edged kind of motivation.
>>74391632
she's more likely to divorce and permanently take from one who provides, that kind of "motivation" isn't necessarily positive.
Neets are fucking loser. I hope Trump cuts off all their benefits so they finally have to get a job and do something.
>>74391650
>>74391758
/r/ing that video of Trump telling a woman not to consider herself average
>>74390837
>>74390922
I asked that because work as we know it is a curse. That's why you feel terrible when in fact you're actually breaking the curse.
I'm not promoting NEETness, just pointing out some interesting findings.
Genesis 3:19
>>74391936
>she's more likely to divorce and permanently take from one who provides, that kind of "motivation" isn't necessarily positive.
This is the kind of bullshit NEET attitude that people like us have to avoid. Do some cost-benefit analysis, redpill yourself on the situation, and work around it. I found a good woman this way and so can you.
so these are the people that vote far right? No job having losers that sit on forums?
top laff
>>74390037
Don't worry about it. That happens to lots of people, the anxiety is often caused by the over stimuli in modern society.
Step one: Get yourself signed up for some neetbux. You deserve it as much if not more than any other person in society.
Step Two: start eating well, cooking your own food, and exercising regularly. Shower/wash regularly, as good hygiene is also essential. Your physical health is important to your wellbeing and connected directly to mental health. Live only for yourself, its not selfish at a young age unless you already have children. Wifes-sons dont count as your children.
Step Three: improve your surroundings. Maintain a garden and start growing your own veges. /out/ and /diy/ are redpilled and will help. Build discipline when it comes to keeping your house tidy, and bed-sheets/clothes washed. Clean your kitchen and bathrooms, all of these things affect your health and outlook. Be righteous within yourself, and humble to others.
Step Four: try to spend time away from your usual surroundings. Spend less time online, stop watching porn. Start doing things like hiking in the woods or hills. A fun hobby i engage with is hunting/identifying wild mushrooms.
Step Five: reintegrate yourself to society on your own terms. Don't carry self-pity, and be willing to speak your mind. Society, government, friends, girlfriends, and family will all dictate to you how you should live, but only when you let them and listen.
People today always chase happiness, what they think will make them happy. Its dumb.
Start achieving personal fulfillment. It requires character and backbone, but neither are needed to begin the process. They can build over time.
Don't consider money a fulfillment, most rich people are miserable, money is only a means to an end.
>>74392125
as opposed to the people who vote left, naive europeans and no-job-having losers who want magical free shit instead of plentiful jobs
>>74392125
Underrated hilarity. I love listening to the crazy and stupid opinions of miserable NEETs that justify their anger and pathetic nature. So fucking funny
>>74392005
Work is something that people have had to do forever you lazy faggot, it's how you make a living. Get over yourself.
>>74392280
bout to break my leg for jokes m8
>>74390595
Grew up with TV&Vidya so never l2socialize, parents took banter too far and I was ridiculed and derided in a joking fashion for all kinds of things from a very early age which left me up complex(es) creak to the point where by the time I was 14-15 I'd get into trouble at school for literally not talking to anyone at all. I was never encouraged to try anything or given direction by my parents, I gave up because I'd just be mocked for just about anything.
Went to college at 17, had managed to open up with people a little more by then but was still that "weird but tolerated guy" within a small group , got heavily into drugs for a while. Receded into NEETdom when I finished college, I expected it, 3 years of depression and multiple suicide attempts followed. Didn't claim NEETbux in this time (lived with parents) but handouts give people reasons not to work, which is why listed it as a reason.
I took acid for the first time late last year and for around 16 hours I couldn't ignore all of my issues or how pathetic I was, I concluded if I carried on the way I was I'd either commit suicide successfully before I was 30 or wind up 30+ living with parents, or I could do the obvious thing and get a fucking job.Which I did at the start of this year, employment gap doesn't make a difference when it comes to min-wage warehouse work. Simple as that sounds being on LSD went a long way to hammering the point home.
I'm alone now and still socially inept enough to stay that way for some time, but I have a little direction in my life and some ideas for what I might try to do in the future.
>tfw im a neet on r9k
>but im wealthy and successful on pol
>>74392615
>Grew up with TV&Vidya so never l2socialize, parents took banter too far and I was ridiculed and derided in a joking fashion for all kinds of things from a very early age which left me up complex(es) creak to the point where by the time I was 14-15 I'd get into trouble at school for literally not talking to anyone at all. I was never encouraged to try anything or given direction by my parents, I gave up because I'd just be mocked for just about anything.
I know many of these feels
>LSD
Worth it?
>>74391570
YES, fwd to disposable:
[email protected]
>>74392971
just sent
>>74392722
The experience was probably the worst day of my life so far, but I've demonstrably changed, hopefully for the better, because of it: less social anxiety (this lead to me realising i just have fuck all to say about anything), I put together a plan for how I'd stop being NEET, stuck to it, and it worked. Nothing else in my 3 years ever spurred me into taking action towards changing my situation. LSD is a pretty radical solution for this but it's what worked, more people should try it.
>>74393216
Well, good for you. That might be something I try in the future, although I'm still pretty off-put by all of the DARE-style propaganda from elementary school. I'd have to read up on it first
>>74390037
>tfw this is me, just 20 years old
I always thought the "how can white men even compete" meme was satire/shilling/ shitposting or some combination thereof.
Holy fuck I was wrong.
This thread has shown me that young millenial white men are truly cucked. The few alphas left in that generation will be gods amongst men, as women fundamentally do not change and will still want alphas.
I've never seen so much whining and excuse making from people who throw "nigger" around like a baseball.
t. Chad
>>74391570
desu mind dropping me a line too if your still there famm
[email protected]
this leaf would appreciate it
>Drop out 9th grade
>NEET til 24
>diet and work out
>Lose 100 pounds
>Get minwage type job
>Meet girl
>get my first kiss, bj, and pussy on same day
>4 year relationship
>Long story hort I end up getting halfcucked
>that set me back a bit
>Gained all weight back an stopped working
>NEET status again
>Lose weight again and become psycho
>Goin to bars by myself
>Actually gettin laid
>Still not happy
>With a qt now just doin normie shit
>>74393323
It's a safe drug to take, it can't kill you (what you do while on it is another matter entirely) it's just long lasting and you're not getting off that ride until its run its course. If you have mental issues they *will* be something you have to deal with and work through. I think of it as having been a kind of shock therapy for me
>>74393669
sent ;)
>>74382539
That's not what NEET stands for.
Kill yourself.
>>74392243
How does one achieve personal fulfillment though? It seems that the older I get the lesser amount of activities are capable of providing any meaningful fulfillment or purpose. I used to play and create music for over a decade. It's fun, and it definitely feels nice when something you've created moves a person to tears. But it doesn't fulfill me.
Does fulfillment even exist?
neet of 2.5 years
problem socially is generally just white straight men being demonized and things that come from that
>marraige is dangerous becuase of divorce problems and no one takes it seriously and wants it to last forver
>women are terrible
>very little people have an actual moral code (rebellious people and people who study philosophy)
>expressing ideas can risk your income
>schools are strongly biased towards females and male behavior is treated as a mental illness which needs to be fixed with drugs
and biggest issue is something htat comes from the stuff before
>men have become cucks and awful fathers who either don't raise their kids or raise someone elses
>single moms are prevalent and get sympathy even if they are extremely harmful for our population
>no male role models and masculine traits and depicted as evil/something to be fixed
some related stats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1xf78EltKM
Basically cultural marxism and the state though
>>74384634
this, i remember back in '04 shortly after i left school, i only got average grades, mostly B's and C's, but i put my CV (resumé) on a job search website and i was being bombarded with calls and emails for jobs. decent jobs too, one that stuck out was an apprenticeship in a law firm. it was a different world then.
>27
>did contracting / flooring installation work for 8 or so years
>fucked up my back
>Live with parents, no hope for a future due to fucked up back
Pic related. Right now I'm just looking for a job to work at until my back injury paralyzes me from the waist down, then I can get some neetbux.
I worked so hard I broke my back and I got absolutely nothing to show for it. This world does not reward hard work, it rewards shadiness and underhandedness. That's the problem.
>neet for 6 years
>some of my references no longer exist
>no jobs in area
>live off of autistic bucks each month
>my state has hundreds of Syrian refugees already
my only hope is that I'm drafted for WW3 or maybe joining the national guard to help with the Saint Louis riots once trump is elected
>>74382539
>Are any of you NEET
No.
>>74394279
>I worked so hard I broke my back and I got absolutely nothing to show for it. This world does not reward hard work, it rewards shadiness and underhandedness.
You worked in a way that broke your back but everyone else is to blame?
And even though you'll now get taken care of by society the rest of your fucking life, you still complain?
If shadiness and underhandedness ruled we'd let you die now that you're useless.
26, dreamed of being a game developer.
I haven't got any work experience.
I don't have a license, I'm convinced I'll end up running someone over.
I keep studying and taking these fucking courses until I get this fucking piece of paper, but I'm still not happy.
I still think I fucking suck at it.
Who the fuck is going to hire me?
I can't even look my father in the eye anymore.
I've been going mad for years and always feel like I'm on the edge of cliff.
Why the fuck is this a nightmare?
If I throw this away, I know I'm going to jump.
For fuck sake.
>>74382539
I'm 18
Took an extension of high school because of violent migraine attacks. My last year is next year.
Because of said migraine, and my own immaturity my grades suffer and I am dreading if I am to become a NEET.
I absolutely do not and will not accept this.
I am however enlisted for a year of military service as a conscript starting August 2017
>that means right after high school
I don't know what I wish to make of myself, and the only way I see myself justifying my situation is fighting for my fatherland.
>>74394822
Have you actually started? Any experience/games under your belt?
>>74382539
Im a 32 year old NEET with a gf that has a decent job. I get about $300 a month from disability. Id like to get a job but i wont allow myself to settle for a low paying job. Im constantly looking for some sort of work but nothing ever comes up.
Luckily my gf makes enough money for rent and bills for the both of us.
I'm a grass smoker lmao
the redpill if you know what I mean
>>74395312
Til she drops your ass unless shes a 300 pound monster or you have a 9 inch cock
>>74391581
That's the thing. A large portion of jobs specifically /don't/ get advertised. The get headhunted. To get the nice jobs you either have to know people or be good enough to be known by people. It's bullshit. Meritocracy when?
>>74395618
Shes 120 lbs and my dick is about 6.5 inches, but i dont see her leaving me; weve been together 5 years and she wants me to propose to her.
She is a bit on the crazy side though
NEET here, AMA.
>>74396112
nigga we're all NEET here
after flunking freshman year at college I stayed in my room and smoked cigarettes and played vidya for the next two years. eventually I needed money for cigarettes and got a shitty job. quit smoking. got a gf. doing trade school now
>finish accounting economics double degree
>get knocked back from firms because no experience besides >unpaid internships I did during course
>neet for 8 months
>start business doing tax returns charging 1/2 what I know the firms around here do
>gotten to big and need to either scale down or hire someone to help
>two firms that knocked me back ask to help with base
>tell them to get fucked
>training up some neets to help this tax season
27 year old NEET here. What's already been said pretty much covers it...wtf is life anyway?
>>74397533
waiting
>>74393603
Women decide who is the chad, most men are sexually oppressed by women.
Causes resentment then they give up on women.
I met many women, vast majority are trash, anti-intellectual, whores, got fat, cuck holders, waiting to divorce.
Guys are waking up, we are opting out or chasing pussy instead of raising kids and getting married.
50 percent of USA is married.
>22, 23 in less than a month
>NEET for almost 4 years
I can't bring myself to break this cycle and all I do is eat, sleep, and go on the internet. I feel constantly tired and hopeless.
is there any medication that can at least help me get motivated? I want to see a psychiatrist and want an idea of what to ask for.
>>74382539
>improving relationship with gf
Fuck off
>>74397977
literally stop going on the internet. I'm convinced that if it were 1990 a lot of this shit just wouldn't exist because being stuck inside wouldn't be so agreeable to our brains. The internet allows us to trick ourselves into "experiencing" the outside
>>74397977
Medication can only fix a biological problem.
Chances are you've just let yourself get into a rut and there is no medicine available that can help you.
There is medicine available that will make you not give a fuck, but you will still be in your situation just not giving a fuck about it.
The fact that you feel so shitty about it is hopeful. Turn that shitty feeling into action and do something to improve yourself. You have to go out and make shit happen, it won't come to you.
>>74398080
This. 100% this.
This entire mindset and subculture didn't exist prior to the widespread usage of the Internet. It is human nature to seek out like minded individuals and by tricking yourself into "experiencing" the "outside", it becomes a very simple task to convince yourself everything you think is reality.
Many of the opinions in this thread reflect individuals who truly believe the deck is stacked against them, life is impossible, etc. Check out the Ausbro's post above where he hits a few walls, doesn't quit, demolishes those walls, and now the wall builders want him to build new walls. (Yeah I kind of lost hold of the metaphor but you get my point).
That Ausbro now has a sick business and, tbqhwithmyfam, an even sicker, infinitely scalable business model.
Employing NEETS to work seasonally. Stay at home migrant workers? Fucking genius. (Not be saracastic).
>29 years old
>got an Engineering degree in country's top uni a year ago
>earning 80k equivalent
>very good at job, peers look up to me
>good pickup skills but not great
But...
>tfw surrounded by normies
>tfw surrounded by roasties
>tfw I don't know what to do with my "disposable" income
>tfw I'm "comfortable" but my life feels empty as fuck
>tfw no qt 3.14 gf
>tfw purposelessness
>tfw cucked religions
>tfw red pilled as fuck
Kill me.
>>74397333
How do I into capitalism?
>>74398703
Buy funs. Train with funs.
>>74398074
>being a hateful leaf
>>74398703
Just get a qt3.14waifu and relax, my fellow white man
>>74398553
No, I think it's the lack of purpose. I've been without internet for a few months 'cause I moved to another apartment and they had trouble installing it, and still I felt like any other frog.
The problem is this:
Women are whores and treat men like shit.
Religions are cucked and feel out of place in modern life.
Jobs provide no satisfaction beyond giving you money to buy stuff. Once you buy the basic all that's left is stuff you don't really need.
You know why Boomers did so well in their life? Because they had those two things for granted.
We don't.
>>74399120
HOW. I mean, all my game I learned from pick-up art books teach you to pick up women who game as well -- but cutie-pies are a different league entirely
>>74399413
>HOW. I mean, all my game I learned from pick-up art books teach you to pick up women who game as well -- but cutie-pies are a different league entirely
There's only one rule: be prepared to walk.
>>74398813
>wanting a babykilling machine
>>74399521
>be prepared to walk
Funny that line is used by Based Donald Trump in another context. But it's very true.
There's something else going on, though. I feel very uncomfortable when in a relationship, because I enjoy being alone. Thus hook-ups would be right down my alley, but I absolutely loathe degeneracy.
I don't even know if what I'm asking for is possible (morally pure get-togethers).
>>74400179
>I don't even know if what I'm asking for is possible (morally pure get-togethers).
So... friendly get-togethers? Why do you think this is impossible?
Everything sucks. Trying to stay on disability for extra money and less 'jobsearch' unnecessary stress. It helps when you get to the point that you can convince yourself that you no longer give a fuck about anything.
There is no cure, only temporary delusion.
You will struggle and the best case scenario will leave you poor and broken regardless, and the only winning move is not to play.
>>74393985
Fulfillment of base desires.
>Good food.
Use high quality ingredients for a balanced and healthy diet. Might be easier said than done for me because I live in NZ and all of our domestic food production is high quality. Ideally grow your own food, keep chickens, hunt for wild game.
>Enough sleep.
8 hours on weeknights, aim for 10 on the weekend. Most people don't sleep nearly enough.
>adequate physical activity
Not just working out at a gym. Outdoors activity is optimal. Jogging, swimming, ect. Learn an adventurous hobby that will be satisfying in a way that provides adrenaline and has a good physical aspect, like rock climbing or skiing.
Don't forget to stretch twice daily and before and after anything strenuous. I mean actual stretching, not masturbating. In terms of masturbation stop watching pornography and beat off first thing, before getting out of bed each day. It doesn't take long for pornography to become repulsive after even just a short time away. This will eventually aid in fulfilling the base desires of sexuality.
>>74398704
I started through joining a local sports club and finding business , I'm actually winging everything and spend most of my time playing vidya
>>74400678
Thanks for replying. I should've mentioned that I already do all of that. In theory I should be a healthy, driven and ambitious person based purely on my habits. I'm not depressed. I can enjoy things. But as you know, pleasure in itself is of little value when searching for something meaningful.
I really just feel like I don't have a reason to live this life I've aimlessly been so far living. I can, but it does not feel desirable.
there's no way
its all a big scam
I fought in Iraq. Lost part of my hand. Go to work every day helping other veterans worse off then me. Find purpose and meaning in your work and perhaps you won't loathe it so much.
>>74393985
>I used to play and create music for over a decade. It's fun, and it definitely feels nice when something you've created moves a person to tears. But it doesn't fulfill me.
That sounds strange to me. Most of the things I did in my life were done out of a desire to get recognition from other people. It could be by being better than other people at something, or by helping someone, or by creating something. I don't do music but it falls under the same category (as you said it feels nice when someone appreciates what you've created).
Doing these things fulfills me. That's why I think it's strange that it's not enough for you. Did you get bored of music? I regularly change the activity that I'm doing, because it gets boring and because I've reached the optimal recognition/effort ratio. So maybe you just need to find things that you would like to do? Personally there are so many things I want to do and won't have enough time in my lifetime to do. If that's not a lifetime source of fulfillment I don't know what is.
It depends on the person though. For example the worst normies have nothing they want to do, they get fulfillment out of talking to people and doing other social things. I don't know how fulfilled they're actually feeling. But the point is people are different so maybe you're one of those people who doesn't have that many interests.
this thread remember reminds me of how physical abuse an intimidation was used to keep workers on the job during the beginning on the industrial revolution. Most people at that point had lived in an agrarian society which means ample free time coupled with bursts of backbreaking work (planting and haven't time).
So would you NEETs work for a few hours a every day to tend to your live stock and a few weeks each spring and summer like a slave?
Do you people honestly believe everyone can have a job?
>>74397333
kek
>>74404469
The reality is that there are plenty of jobs out there, but most of them are jobs 80% of this country wants nothing to do with because they don't pay enough for their ideal lifestyle or they are too hard/stressful/dangerous/etc.
I've been working since I turned 14. My father woke me up early on the first day of school holidays, took me outside where there was a new bicycle waiting, handed me a mobile phone and told me to ride to an address. Got there, it was a cabinetmaking place, started an apprenticeship. Gave my first 2 paychecks to him to pay him back, kept the rest. Really thankful to him.
>>74382539
NEET for 12 years here, don't have much of an option to get out of it. I have no education and will only get a minimum wage job at best. It's not like I want to have a job or anything, if there is no reward for me I wont do shit. If the state or community can not give me a partner to start a family I will not be motivated to do anything.
>>74406668
Do you still make cabinets?
>>74382539
Be a bad ass and become a special operator, army ranger navy seal or green beret. Just do it neet
>>74382539
damn dude you have a gf and make money...shit thats better than most here
>>74407982
>get paid $0.05 per hour to fellate pajeets
>make money
pls
>>74407550
Actually, no. My father passed away a few months after I started the apprenticeship. I finished it over 4 school years as a sort of obligation. Now I'm a lawyer.
-Was NEET for two years when I was a teenager.
-Stopped going to high school, so they put me in an online program. Basically didn't do anything there, but I did make money selling fake antivirus software online.
-Ended up going back to high school and graduated on time (had to take grade 11 courses in my senior year, first semester).
-Went through university and now I work at one of the big 5 software companies as a software engineer.
>>74384234
Sounds nice
Not a neet but I rarely go anywhere due to anxiety and depression, so I just try to help around the house. Gardening is surprisingly comfy, wouldn't mind getting into it properly, no idea how though.
>>74390315
How did he manage that? Did he have contacts, who did he work for while freelance?
I'm in a similar position and already enjoy programming
>>74393117
>>74393781
y-you still here
>>74382539
I am. All I can work at is translator, writer and musician. I'm fucked because I'm autistic and I always find scams.
