Who here also used to be a flaming leftist in the past?
>>74373287
Mmmmmmmmhh I wanna suck on dem titties
feels bad man. school indoctrination is no joke
>>74373287
i was... hell I still probably am by most standards, but i just can't stand behind the demagogy and sophisms that pass for progressive stances these days.
>>74373287
I have never been a leftist according to Denmarks standards. Here im part of the far right nationalistic wing.
but if /pol/ were to judge me I would properly still be considered a socialist.
>>74373467
true, my school even had us take a mandatory course on the EU for one year, which was basically thinly veiled globalist propaganda
I spent a lot of time studying Communist/Marxist/Soviet theory in high school.
Naturally I of course matured and realised its all bullshit.
In high school/my youth, I was considered center-left.
I am now far right. I was never far left.
Interestingly enough, what my beliefs were in high school would probably be considered solidly right wing now instead of center-left, because the left wing keeps moving the goalposts on how much of a Cuck you have to be to be considered lefty
>>74374228
Yeah they do that in European countries to make us feel the EUROPEAN IDENTITY. How am I gonna feel close to your Dutch ass or a shitskin spaniards when my country is literally a muslim and mediterranean shithole. I never bought into it as a kid desu, I didn't get why they did that. Now that I do, it's even dumber.
I've never changed my political ideologies. It just so happens that what people label me as has changed over time. The beliefs that would have had me labelled a leftist 20 years ago now are now considered right wing.
>>74373287
Is that a girl or a guy?
>>74374840
>European identity
Is that a thing? What about French identity? Dutch identity? German identity? etc. I have never thought of Europe as one collective mass.
>>74373287
those are man boobs
GET RID OF THE FUKIN GUNS
>>74373287
Saved by the Nige.
>>74375042
>>74373287
I voted Green Party six years ago.
Last year I voted UKIP, and next time I vote it will be for Brexit.
>>74373287
I wasn't a 'flaming' anything, but I definitely had strong biases given to me by our education system and the media
>>74374998
Overweight guy, with gynecomastia, caused by too much fat and too much female hormones in his body. Partly genetic predisposition, but mostly his own fault.
>>74375039
It's a narrative they try to push to kids because we use the same currency and are free to move between country, they want to make us feel part of the european union early, at least that's how it went in my education in France.
Of course the idea behind this is they think the union is a good thing and want to preserve it by building an identity and emotional attachment to it, because they think it's economically viable. Truth is, as you see it from the outside, no frenchman is gonna feel close to an estonian just because cheese taxes are low when merchandises are moved.
It's a thing alright, but depending on your country and system of education I suppose it's more or less important. It used to be a big thing in France when I was a kid, I suppose it was in Germany as well (?), seeing as France and Germany are always so fucking proud of the EU.
They don't push the european identity over the french identity here though, they just inform you of how great the EU is and how you're part of it when you're a kid.
Then again national identity is a huge debate in France right now, so the european thing is getting more and more sweeped.
>>74375278
Would you titty fuck him?
>>74375335
Probably not desu.
I think its natural when you're young/dumb/full of cum. Your entire worldview is limited and idealist.
Kids getting redpilled when they're young before academia fucks them up is really powerful and makes me optimistic.
>>74374525
Yep. In high school I probably would have been labelled far left, and despite retaining a lot of those beliefs, I'd probably be called a fascist now.
>>74375384
How about for $1000?
Ive used to be a racist bigot homophobic illiterate wanna be white idiot, but now that I got my redpill, I am really not evil anymore. I honestly think the only ones not allowed to live in my country are God and capitalists.
Yes, then I grew up somewhat when I lived in a migrant infested neighborhood for a couple of years. I believe in a whole lot of stuff that are taboo among leftists, like racial differences between IQ and right to own firearms. I also believe in stuff that right-wingers are not into, like LGBT rights and equality between sexes. I guess I'm a right-leaning centrist or a traditional liberal, I don't know I hate labels.
I was. Not flaming but had leftist inclination.
All changed tho....
>>74373287
Me, back when left used to be associated with sweaty hardworking steel workers and researchers of fundamental science.
That was before I came to russian imageboards.
I once even thought joining the Eurozone would be a good thing.
>>74376212
what does that image say?
>>74376097
/pol changed your views? Easily persuaded much?
>>74376425
Engels thought that X*(-1)*(-1)=X2
Further reading of his books showed that he didn't know basic calculus. Yes, this is the man who wrote a good half of communist theory.
>>74376676
I meant to type "squared X", but 4chan converts square symbol into simply 2.
>mfw I swallowed the redpill then read back on all my liberal bullshit online
I'm surprised I never became a meme.
>>74375149
Smough, so we meet again
>>74376522
>Not being open to changing your mind on things upon seeing actual reasoning, good points, and in some cases evidence
I grew up in a part of Oslo with +50% immigrants, so naturally I became pretty liberal.
After getting a job and moving to a fairly white neighborhood I began to realize how shitty and destructive the immigrants actually were.
I still lean left on fiscal policies, but now I'm pretty fucking right-wing on social issues.
Compared to my current worldview, I was fairly liberal in college, circa 2000. Never took part in activism but was quick to point out what I perceived to be bigotry. One of the first nuggets of leftist indoctrination spoon fed to freshmen was the concept of cultural relativism. This was in a cultural anthropology class that a shitload of students take for credit and an easy A. Multiple sessions every day in a packed auditorium.
>>74373287
ironically, /pol/ turned me into a leftist.
i used to laugh at SJW, thinking that they were taking things out of proportion.
then i read /pol/ and it put things into perspective.
>>74373287
I was a fucking liberal pansy in high school, then I came across the unabomber manifesto. It's description of the psychology of the left fit me perfectly. I had made a virtue out of weakness. It was the starting point of a painful realignment, but not having to struggle with all the cognitive dissonance inherent in a leftist worldview more than makes up for it. I wish I had figured it out sooner.
>>74373287
Me.
Shockingly enough I became a conservative in college. I actually read all the shit I was assigned, and came out the other side with completely different opinions.
>>74377401
Hope you enjoy all those rampant Feminist marches and Gay Pride parades that happen in Algeria.
>>74373287
I was never bad about it, but I used to be mostly left. Now I'm, I think, entirely or almost entirely right
>>74373287
I used to think people could order a top-down society that was more efficient and fair than a bottom up one.
Then I got older and realized that the average adult really isn't any smarter than the average 5th grader and any top-down system is gonna be run by retards who will turn everything into shit.
Now I only believe in regional governments that have very few legislative powers and robust individual freedoms.
>>74377551
desu, i was never insulted by a feminist or a homosexual. none of em has ever been aggressive against me.
their lifestyle isn't my business.
>>74377409
Same here
One part about the mentality of the left says something to the effect of "they hate everything strong, good and healthy in culture." I knew it was true because I felt like he was talking about me.
Hearing it contextualized like that panted the seed of doubt about the narrative I had been mindlessly following
>>74377401
you're probably baiting, but the exact opposite happened to me... I came here expecting to read only outrageous claims and racist slurs, but have been surprised to find some reasonable arguments in all the xenophobia that challenged my opinions... you know what they say: only fools don't change their mind
>>74373287
I was a bit socialist in my early teens, and I guess I still think that economical socialism is good in a society with high cohesion. I skipped school to protest the Iraq war in 2003, when I was in the 7th grade, and I still don't think it was a good idea because I don't believe in interventionism.
The only thing that has really changed is that the leftist in this country aren't for workers but for welfare and it's very much about identity politics. And then there are the crazy immigration policies, but even the former "conservatives" are for them for some fucking reason. I'd probably vote left if it was the 60s.
>>74375501
Fascism is far left.
>>74377963
Probably because you don't live in a country where they demand extra privileges just for being a fag or having a vagina.
>>74375986
mad as fuck lol
>>74375990
Equal rights between sexes doesn't mean the sexes are equal.
>>74378219
Take a hike, Gavin
>>74373287
Going to a high school with black people in it redpilled me more than /pol/ ever did. If it wasn't for those real life encounters, I'd probably still assume /pol/ was all conspiracy theory shit.
>>74373287
Of course I was.
>>74373467
This is why. It's no wonder "liberals have higher IQs"
Most of us are born from a mother and father, liberals are born from schools and universities.
When I was a kid I was vaguely liberal because my family and friends were.
Then in college I took a sociology class from an amazing professor, and that prompted me to look into political ideologies. I knew I was for democratic economic programs, but maximum personal freedom. The ideology that fit best with this was anarcho-syndicalism. It took me a while to think of myself as some kind of anarchist because of all the weird images I had of anarchists.
After a while of anarchism seeming nice, but ridiculous when actually thinking of how to implement it, I came around to thinking of myself as a socialist - I was still for democracy in business, fair earnings, etc.
Then I started studying international development, which is my field, and discovered that socialism never works for developing a country. It's a band aid on a gash wound, and it actually lets the bacteria in the wound fester - for a place to develop people need to earn capital, then they can demand education and better health care. So I was a capitalist in development and international economics, but for social programs in countries that could afford it. I was back at being a liberal (though for a minute I liked the term "social democrat").
Then I graduated college and took some awful, bottom-tier jobs and was miserable (what I get for going to a state school and not studying STEM). I was pretty much suicidal. I saw how little social programs had achieved and how shitty those bottom-tier protected jobs were. So now I'm pretty much a libertarian.
not all leftist are fat
>>74373287
dude you have no idea
I used to unironically post to /r/ShitRedditSays
the one thing I'll say, that many of the other guys I talked to in those communities would secretly echo as we became more and more disillusioned, is that there was a part of us that knew we were making excuses for people who didn't deserve them, knew we were omitting basic logic and data to come to our conclusions, knew that something was incredibly off about the way these mentalities never seemed to reach the bedrock of proper reasoning.
Social justice itched to us, in a way that the women never experienced.
>>74378057
i'v been here for 5 years, when i came here i was libertarian and so was most of /pol/, as the time went by,/pol/ shifted more and more to meme tier far right while i went the opposite way.
you're opinion is clearly biased, you're ok with making gross generalizations about a group of people but not when you're part of that group
>>74378610
That and the social sciences are made up of almost 100% socialists and if you're dishonest with social psychology it's very very easy to be able to get significant proof for anything at all. That together with the general corruption within the peer reviewing process makes those IQ claims very uncertain.
>>74378595
thats why the majority of leftists stay in college for 30 years. the real world is the most effective redpill that there is
>>74377401
Just in case youre not baiting....
Alan Turing didnt fucking invent the computer. That is 100% wrong. I dont give a shit that he was gay. Just pisses me off when people spread misinformation
>>74378238
i would rather live with degenerates than hateful people.
i don't care if they demand privileges as long as they don't want to take other's rights away.
>>74378624
>Then I graduated college and took some awful, bottom-tier jobs and was miserable
>I saw how little social programs had achieved and how shitty those bottom-tier protected jobs were.
And then you moved to West-Africa...?
I was centered.
luckily Israel is a very red pilled and right winged country.
I became right winged before pol, researching about the migrants and Trump
>>74379037
Didn't give a fuck about politics for 18 years...
>>74373287
Yeah...fucking high school. It was even a jew who indoctrinated me with socialism
>>74378896
that was just a random pic, had nothing to do with the topic
>>74379015
Degenerates are the leading force behind taking others rights away. They are the most hateful as well. Glad you chose the side of white nationalism sir.
>>74378610
Should say that in NE UK, we're taught the tories ruined the mines.
It's glossed over that labour/unions played a huge part in it, and then entire regions, dependent on dole, were forced to vote for socialism due to the high unemployment rates created by it.
After mass immigration and huge debt, and a socialist promise to borrow far more money and not cut social programs, people finally started to see that temporary poverty was better than a lifetime of it.
>>74378851
It's no mystery why the EU so heavily taxes us in order to fund science/education/"the arts"
It takes our money and uses it against us in a propaganda battle, educating tomorrows intelligentsia with only one view of the world. Right wingers, when I was young, were routinely fired from educational positions for their views. It was no secret that they looked through right wing party membership lists and fired anybody in the police/school system signed up. To support anything right of the conservatives was career suicide.
>>74379015
>i don't care if they demand privileges as long as they don't want to take other's rights away.
>Implying lefties don't do exactly that
>>74373287
When I was a teenager yeah. Before I really knew anything about the history of the world... but the more I learned, the further right I moved, until believing in white nationalism.
I find it hard to say either left or right-wing describes my politics. I'm pro-abortion which is staunchly a left view but on the right for a lot of other things.
>>74373287
never really was Tbh. I did believe the "true communism is good" meme tho
>>74373287
I wasnt either
I hated the left and the right
Was just barely starting to form my opinions on why for each in my teenage years and have since continued on
Was full out in the desert hermit mode in my teen years reading philosophy and practicing survival skills
>>74377506
Same. Economics was a very effective red pill and reading Plato and Aristotle finished the job
>>74379021
Living in West Africa is awesome. You can get great food and housing for super cheap, there's job security for however long your contract is, and you get respect in society for working in development. Infinitely better than most jobs I'd be looking at in the states.
>>74379260
As soon as people say the Nazis are far right wing the problems with the left/right dichotomy becomes very apparent.
>>74379260
It is almost a non-existing thing in politics outside of US, isn't it?
>>74379201
>citation needed
>>74374525
Same was definitely more center when I was younger. Still "Liberal"
>I don't care about abortion or drugs
but far right wing economically - and no importing third world double digit iq mongs doesn't work.
I leaned left on more things than I do today, but I was never "flaming. There was a time when I was just about split down the middle, but I'm heavy right leaning at this point.
>>74379513
My Dad's Jewish. Is it worth moving to Israel? How are job prospects?
>>74379260
true conservatives are pro-abortion cuz less nigger babbies
>>74373287
do you need surgery to get rid of this
is this gyno
Leftists live in their walled facebook and twitter cities. You have to sneak facts in by tricking them into thinking they're condemning their own targets of hatred.
the trojan straight guy - watch them insult and disparage straight guys then reveal that the stats are actually talking about Muslim opinion polls
>>74373287
I use to
Feels bad to be indoctrinated though, that fucking ideology is everywhere, EVERYWHERE
>>74379410
this desu.
Generally it seems like anything centrist and globalist is "left wing" and everything else is "right wing" in modern terms.
I don't know about flaming, but I was damned misguided.
>>74378805
maybe I wasn't clear but what I meant to say is that there is abhorrent racism around these parts, but there it's also possible to have a rational exchange around , unlike what the internet lead me to believe before visiting /pol/. In no way do I adhere to xenophobic, sexist or otherwise discriminatory ideology. I'm just less of authoritarian because I now see how radical leftist are.
Also, chill out and get the fuck down your hight horse... you're just as much of a biased individual as anyone could possibly be
>>74373287
Nice tits, you would be worth to packs of cigarettes in jail
>>74379714
it's definitely better than africa
>>74379714
I want to move lol.
I don't know, I'm not even into the job market yet, still in the army
I know housing here is very costly, no more than that.
I will do research... soon
>>74373287
Having Been raised in a family of the old upper Class I was not allowed To, nor was I ever tempted To have anything but right-wing conservative views.
>>74379525
>St George's day, Britains equivalent of July 4th, was not celebrated this year because it offends muslims
>Muslims have been seen flying the ISIS flag in London
>People get fined for flying the English flag for racism
If you haven't seen examples of the left restricting rights to cater to specific groups of people, you don't use /pol/ much.
>>74379762
kek, even the mugshots are subtle redpills
>>74380069
Bunch of muzzies here started waving around ISIS flags too a while back.
Cops let the police dogs loose on them.
>>74380261
Our police are cucks and just bend over backwards for them.
>>74373287
I was, right up until my senior year of college.
I still remember the moment when I realized everything was about to change: My female friend, who was a blond, blue-eyed Irish girl, told me she felt she was Mexican on the inside and was "transethnic."
She wasn't joking. That summer was also the Chimpening over the George Zimmerman acquittal, so that was my introduction to /pol/
>>74373287
I was.
It's hard not to be in Sweden Yes, even our right side political parties are on the left compared to even mainland Europe, let alone the US and just miles beyond anywhere else.
I think this should be encouraging for /pol/ or anyone who wonders about the usefulness about arguing about politics or spouting non-PC stuff to the winds.
You are making a change. Not because you can say something and people will believe you. But because if you consistently speak things you know to be true, some of the people you're talking to will check.
That's what I did and that's where it all began to unravel.
My real liberation came from watching the Zimmerman trial unfold in real time and comparing to the media narrative. There was just no case for the prosecution but according to the media not only was there a case, it looked like George was guilty. All the talking heads said so.
The thing about trust is that once it's broken it's really fucking hard to regain. Once you pop the insular information channels keeping you firmly in the left there's no going back.
Once you see the distortion you can't stop seeing it.
>>74379762
Ive been thinking about making a shit load of this kind of thing then letting them loose on social media. The problem with this one is that it doesnt offer the red pill. Only people that are already red pilled on muslims would realize what the image is really about. I think the key is to put a small link at the bottom to a website that appears to be about straight white frat boys. But it really reveals the truth about the stats. Retard liberals and SJWs arent going to check the source most of the time. But imagine the glorious moment went someone calls them out on facebook by using the link in their own shared image. We can trick sjws into destory theirselves
>>74373287
I've been a libertarian since before I knew libertarianism was a thing. My high school government teacher was a pretty cool guy, but he was a democrat and always got mad at me for staunchly opposing gun control due to the Constitution.
>>74373287
I have never been a flaming leftist, I was always the cool kid.
>>74375149
How? What kind of fucked up genetics would cause a double gut & hairy tits?
>>74373287
Damn. As a little bit overweight as I may be, this pic at least gives me hope that I'm not totally worthless. thanks aquafresh.
>day 3 of no carbs
>>74373287
I used to be socialist Catholic who believed in liberation theology. I was still somewhat socially conservative.
