>Builds character
>Teaches respect and consequencces
>Makes boys hard and disciplined
>Makes girls soft and submissive
Is there anything better for bringing up redpilled white children?
>No.
hit for girl is good because family structure of disiplance must be maintain. boy must not be hit because it is stupid and against faith. the boy must take part in the hit of girl to prepare for future in life.
>>74289982
Caning.
>>74289982
Only dumb kids should be hit.
>>74289982
Stop posting this image, I just faped
>>74289982
no, it's not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvCZ0hSHxCM
>>74289982
Since you made this same fucking thread again here's my same reply from last time.
It shouldn't be done by the mother over pants like in that picture, her father should do it.
First he explains to her what she has done wrong and why she needs to be spanked. Then she pulls her skirt up, panties down and lays across his lap. Then he delivers the prescribed amount of smacks to her bottom with an open hand(not a belt or something). And after(and this is important) he comforts her and hugs her and tells her he still loves her even though he had to punish her.
You just re made the thread
>>74289982
If you're a good parent, you don't have to resort to that.
If you can't make your children listen to you without spanking them, you're just a lousy parent.
>>74290390
hot
>>74290329
>Le Insane Cult MayMay Man
Not an argument.
>>74289982
Stefan is right, spanking your kids is shitty parenting.
> Kid misbehaves, you spank.
> Loss of Trust
> Kid misbehaves again, spanking didn't work, try harder.
> Greater resentment
> Spanking no longer works, switch to belt
> Kid resents you and your beatings, internalizes they are shitty and beatings are good for them.
>>74290623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONNRfflggBg
>>74290522
That's not how life works. My parents did a very good job but I was a cheeky little fuck sometimes and spoke back to them or did something I definitely shouldn't have. Dad would have smacked me, and I'll do the same to my kids.
>acting like a violent savage
>anything but degenerate
Parents who have to resort to spanking to keep a child orderly rather than through sheer force of character is too weak to be having children.
>>74290197
All kids are dumb.
Until they've hit the appropriate milestones of development, they are incapable of understanding anything except immediate, harsh consequences.
>>74290128
Nice Muslimbait, Nigel. We all know the real Muslims are actually out raping at this time of day.
>>74290863
tommy down the street told me rules are for faggots!
>spits on your face
FUCK you dad
Posting to say thanks to the Russian poster that dropped the Starship Troopers excerpt in the last thread
>>74290775
>Stefan is right
No, stef is shill faggot with a podcast.
> Kid misbehaves, you spank.
Wrong, you discipline appropriately until all options are exhausted, you never go straight to spanking you fucking stupid ancap shit for brains.
> Loss of Trust
Wrong, children trust even more after a spanking, because they know boundaries and what to expect.
Your bullshit strawman has already been defeated, nothing you maymay arrow afterwards has any relevance.
>>74290582
Yes, it is. That's why spanking is such a nice disciplinary technique; it works in punishing her and it's hot.
>>74289982
Post moar...
>>74290522
Children are born naturally wicked even if your the best parent kids will go off, there is nothing wrong with disciplining your child as long as the discipline isn't too sever, if you don't discipline your children you don't love them, in my senpai those who were disciplined with some hitting are pretty average and have not done stupid shit, those who didn't get discipline and their parents let them go off and just screamed at them are now either whores or just shit tier men who have been in jail. I lived in mexico so not only was I hit by my parents but also at school by the teacher (which isn't allowed anymore by the way) I can tell you form my view point it did move me to think and try harder at things I fail. But this doesn't work for all children I saw kids beat so much and they never learned, some are just born spoiled and no amount of pain or discipline will change them.
>>74290390
This + it should rarely happen. It's the nuclear option. Doing this a ton makes the spanking less effective.
>>74290818
>from free domain radio
>>74289982
People who are anti-spanking are always confirmed cucks.
Children are retards, you can't negotiate with them all the time. True authority derives from violence.
Spanking for serious misbehavior is absolutely necessary.
>>74290390
If your finger brushes against her pouty labia from behind is it ok?
>>74291029
If you're such a pathetic individual that the only thing preventing your child from spitting in your face is beatings, then, once again, you shouldn't be allowed to breed.
A true man can silence a child with a single look.
>>74290863
Enjoy raising your leftist faggot kids who can't make peace with authority and will probably end up in jail.
>>74289982
Pretty hot pic m8
>>74291126
Of course it can't be done often, only when necessary.
>>74291231
Is very okay but shouldn't happen much. Touching her kitty should be during gentle happy times, not during disciplining her.
>>74291361
>A true man can silence a child with a single look.
>t. Fedorable Father
LOL
>>74291375
Enjoy the tables turning on you when your nogger child becomes the stronger one in the relationship.
>>74290522
Seriously, I was the most awful kid, and I was about nine when my parents finally caved and resorted to physical discipline. That shit straightened me out fast.
Grounding, skipping meals, doing extra homework, none worked. Being physically spanked was physically and emotionally traumatizing to get me in line.
Obviously, spanking isn't right for every child. One of my kids looks at me when I spank her and it is obvious she is just plotting my death. We have to be creative with her. But taking spanking out of your options is just plain stupid.
>>74289982
>Builds character
Doing something builds character, like digging a ditch by hand, or learning to play music. Unless it is resentment towards the spanker you want as the character being built.
>Teaches respect and consequences
You earn respect. Those are weak consequences.
>Makes boys hard and disciplined
Makes them resentful and teaches them to be bullies
>Makes girls soft and submissive
Gross
I have reasoned with every kid and had better results than anything spanking could have ever done. Adults are so much smarter than kids how can you not out reason and out think a kid into doing what they need to do.
The truth of the matter is parents spank because they run out of patience. Because those parents were not taught patience when they were kids.
>>74291051
>No, stef is shill faggot with a podcast.
you probably didn't even listen to the facts and arguments. You just dismissed it, because you don't like him
>Wrong, you discipline appropriately until all options are exhausted, you never go straight to spanking you fucking stupid ancap shit for brains.
Then why are you saying it's "the most redpilled form of discipline"?
now you're saying it should be the last resort
>>74291508
If she grinds on you to you let her finish or stop her? If you let her finish, do you pretend it's not happening or do you make eye contact with her as she builds up heat?
>>74291537
>t. cuckvoiced girlyman
>>74290775
>kid misbehaves, you discipline
>he disrespects you, you spank
>he learns to not disrespect authority
>>74291543
We'll have nothing to fear because they will respectable, upstanding, disciplined young men who respect their fathers for setting them on the narrow and proper path.
Oh right, forgot, you're a fucking degenerate retard ancap that thinks heroin addiction is just like, someone's choice to make.
>>74291361
>A true man can silence a child with a single look.
>ctrl-shift-t
>spanking porn
>enter
>>74289982
Spanking children doesn't really accomplish much aside from building up resentment. Spanking girlfriends and wives however can do great things.
>>74291645
>Children are afraid of voices
Lol, you dumb fucking pimple faced faggot you've never raised a child, you probably think they're romantically interested in you.
>spank my daughter
>get a boner
>have another child
thanks OP
>>74291657
>savage monkey that can only instill "discipline" through beatings
>calling others degenerate
>>74291537
>>74291732
This is literally true. Apparently you've never been around young children because they get these big bug eyes and go silent when they hear a deep voice and see a man.
I'm a DYEL skellington and I have this effect on youngins.
>>74291732
>>74291789
t. 2wk4chldrn
Would honestly love to spank a tight assed cutie right now.
>>74291857
>Children are rational actors that listen closely to verbal instructions and never act irrationally or refuse to listen or follow directions
Strange, my childhood friend got spanked constantly and now he's an alcoholic druggie on a court ordered curfew
>>74291361
Not if the kid knows he won't beat their ass.
/pol/ - advocates for the race war, not for spanking bad children.
>>74290775
>Kid misbehaves
>Take away toy
>Kid learns to play without toys and misbehaves more
>Take away all toys
>Kid still misbehaves
>Taking away toys won't work anymore
What will you take away next?
>>74291789
>Lol, you dumb fucking pimple faced faggot you've never raised a child, you probably think they're romantically interested in you.
The only children you'll be raising are other men's children, my cucked friend :^)
>>74291971
your friend is a degenerate because he chooses to be one.
>>74289982
Spankings should be given readily. Always bare for extra humiliation. Prevents daughters from becoming whores and sons from becoming faggots.
I don't know one person who was smacked as a child who likes their parents as an adult. From talking to people there doesn't seem to be a difference in achievement in education or work, but smacked kids seem to universally hate their parents while the rest grow out of it as teenagers.
Spanking is "I don't know how to deal with my kid not doing what I want, so I'll take out my frustration on them as physical violence"
There are better ways to teach a child discipline. Stop acting like a fucking idiot
>>74291904
>I only spend time around 3 year olds
Why do you spend so much time around 3 year olds anon?
Apparently you've never had to discipline an 8 year old boy that isn't a total fucking retard and understand that a deep voice doesn't mean shit without the threat of violence behind it.
Keep yelling at kids all you like, faggot. Wait until their parents discover what you've been ordering them to do.
>>74292126
Actually, sexually humiliating sons is exactly how you get faggots and cucks
>>74291954
>children a dumb monkeys that only understand brute force
I suppose if the sperm doner is a mouth breaking neanderthal such as yourself.
>>74289982
Sending kids to time out/taking away video games/phone/tv and whatnot is way more effective than hitting.
Hitting teaches kids, and it taught me, to hide shit better.
When I got sent to my room or was told to sit on the stairs for 15 minutes, I was fucked.
>>74292126
Pretty hot desu.
>>74292100
Or because he got treated like shit by his parents and now he's using drugs to try and forget about his terrible childhood.
>>74291971
Obviously he was not spanked enough
>>74292260
I should also add taking away something a child cares about is more educational than
>If you scream in a grocery store you get hit
>>74292288
thats horrible
why would you post that
jesus christ who would get off to such things
>>74292309
Kek, my most vivid memory is when he took his shoes off without untying the laces and he got the 'ol wooden spoon
>>74289982
if you cared to study the issue besides going with level 0 edgelord reaction, you'd find that spanking only causes mental problems
>>74292288
I understand a little red spanking, but jesus fuck, this is just self harm.
>>74291231
We live in a libertarian society. She is your property, you can do as you like.
>>74292218
Have the wife discipline the son then so it is not gay? I dunno. I'm more interested in disciplining girls desu.
>This is what your daughter's ass should look like if you catch her smoking, skipping school, talking to boys, etc.
>>74291657
>your children will become heroin addicts if you don't regularly beat them and break their will through pain!
If beating kids works so well, how did you all end up on /pol/?
>>74292126
Spankings might prevent stepdaughters from becoming whores but real daughters need to feel that her daddy protects her.
>>74289982
>Tell kids not to hit other kids
>Proceed to hit your kid
kek
>>74292664
The fuck. The person who beat her should be jailed. Spanking should just make her ass blush.
>Spanking is the most redpilled form of discipline
B-but the NAP...
>>74292947
ONE WHOLE DOLLAR!
>>74292455
>>74292605
Yes. It is terrible.
>>74292821
>Tell kid not to hit
>Explain in great detail why hitting is bad
>Kid agrees
>Kid goes and plays
>Gets made fun of and gets emotional
>Can't control self because 6 years old, brain literally not capable of self control yet
>"As we talked about, if you hit again you would get a spanking, I'm sorry but you'll have to have one now."
>Kid gets spanked, cries, totally embarassed
>Doesn't hit again because don't want to be spanked
This is bad because liberal critical theorists and emotionally stunted ancap retards say so.
>>74292664
>my son should be dominated by a woman, that will surely make him a well adjusted adult!
Thats how freaks are created Anon
>>74289982
Spanking and slaps are fine, but never go overboard with violent shit.
Let me tell you the story of a kid, this kid headed to school like any other day but sometimes other kids would just decide to go back home, he of course being the goody two shoes still went inside the classroom, alone.
The teachers hated him for this, his classmates thought he was an asshole so eventually he decided to go along with it.
He went home and his mother was livid, took a fucking broom and ran after him all over the kitchen to "punish" him.
Every fucking time the kid prayed his classmates didn't pull this shit off or he would've been forced to choose between being THAT kid or getting his ass handed over by his mom who didn't give a shit about his reasons.
Eventually he became so chicken shit and axious about it that even when the school was closed for proper reasons he still would be scared to go back home fearing retribution.
>>74293062
So basically it teaches your child to be a giant cuck who takes beatings regularly, but never gives them back.
>>74293062
That's why I am going to beat the shit out of my child.
>Make a mistake
>Break his leg
Damn that dumb fuck won't be getting an F on his test any time soon.
>>74292304
He truly is a degenerate wow. Everyone I know who had a shitty childhood strive to achieve the most they can, as a way to say fuck you.
>>74293076
If that woman is his mother than it is normal. It's normal for people to discipline their children, did you grow up in an orphanage?
>>74292664
That is from skating, I think Thrasher posted that before
>>74291584
>out-reason the child
>t. childless fedoralord
>>74293182
>>74293291
>I can't make arguments but I want to scream my opinion
All memes aside, these are not fucing arguments.
You're both fucking imbeciles who can't do anything but strawman.
You've lost.
Does spanking even hurt?
My parents used the belt or a stick
Shits fucking awful. Its scarring
>>74292455
>>74292605
Not surprised that the fat cucks can't even take a spanking.
>>74293343
This is how weird fetishists are created
Your son will have a dominatrix fetish, enjoy degeneracy
>>74293076
Honestly I think you are over thinking the gender politics a bit.
Man--->Woman---->child
Women have been spanking boys forever. In fact they used to do it a lot more and the boys grew up to be much harder men in the past than kids today who grow up with liberal moms.
>>74291656
>kids ever respecting authority
Lol
They will just keep quiet and loathe you
>>74293470
>Complain about not making an argument even though there is a clear argument then proceed with no argument and claim victory
Spanking causes the same emotional problems that come from kids that were beaten. Sorry bro, that's just the facts.
>>74289982
moar like this?
>>74293549
my mother beat me worse than my father ever did, I'm pretty sure I don't have a femdom fetish.
so "redpilled" actually just means brainwashed right?
>>74293609
>Spanking causes the same emotional problems that come from kids that were beaten. Sorry bro, that's just the facts.
>Just the fact bro, Molyneux said so on his podcast and he's a world renowned philosopher king
Not an argument.
>>74293678
you probably have degenerative opinions though reminder that the non-aggression principle is the best way to keep Society perfect
>>74293780
"Not an argument." is not an argument, dude.
>>74293591
This. Even though my parents hit me, I still tried to find ways to get around my parents any way I could. (Playing video games)
>>74293862
Can't make arguments against non arguments.
I already made actual arguments.
You haven't made a single argument yet.
>>74293737
Apparently it's something that isn't natural, and needs to be beaten into their skulls with physical and emotional abuse.
>>74293910
>multiple sources claiming it's harmful
>LOL NOPE MEME MEME MEME
>>74293904
How did playing video games "get around" getting spanked?
Were they spanking you for playing video games and you just kept playing them?
I don't think you understand what discipline is fo you fucking moron.
>>74293780
Please tell me how is hitting your kid different than beating your kid?
>>74293910
not an argument
>>74294012
>multiple sources
Oh yes, you mean all those sources from maxist psychology departments that have literally zero actual scientific validity whatsoever?
Yeah anon, about those...
You might want to kill yourself first because this is going to get a little rough.
>>74294019
14? Pretty hot.
>>74294027
Spanking makes the child understand that you can stop people doing things you don't like by hitting them, it doesn't make them understand why playing too many video games is wrong.
>>74294133
>Not an argument isn't an argument
Non argumentum ad hominem
Is there a more nigger thing you can do than hit your kids?
>Hurr my kids don't respect me so if I start physically assaulting them that'll definitely solve my problem
The way it was done to me and the way I think is best is as follows: Only the father disciplines, it's not overly harsh unless some exceedingly stupid shit was done by the child, and finally to avoid having to spank use confiscation of privileges for only short amounts of time, 3 days max and some extra housework. Explain to the kid what they did wrong and why it is so, have them explain it back to you, tell them you love them etc. If you have to spank, do so as little as possible and not with too much power, it's your own kid, you still want them to like you, leave them alone for like 5 min to have a little cry and think about what they've done, then come in with both parents, explain what was done wrong and tell them you love them and don't enjoy having to discipline them, but if there is no other way then you have to to what you have to do. The most important thing IMO though is to have the dad do the spanking and mom do the confiscating, this prevents your kid from gender role confusion which is biologically innate and when I was a kid and I was bad, when my mom said, "wait till your father comes home and I tell him how you've been behaving," I'd get my shit together immediately and apologize because I feared that my dad would be pissed and really whoop my ass. I turned out very well, and I will do the same to my kids.
>>74294142
Not an argument.
Well since you have no arguments I will take that as a sign of defeat and I claim victory over you. Good day.
>>74290329
he's mostly wrong in that video to be honest. bad arguments about causality = correlation. Wrong.
>>74294142
I should have known I was arguing with someone who knows more about child psychology than child psychologists.
>>74294027
?
I wanted to play video games my entire childhood. I didn't pay attention in class and I just want to have fun with my friends but my teachers said I was a trouble maker and told my parents. My parents hit me and thought I would stop. I didn't. Every chance I had I would play video games. When they left for work. When they left to buy groceries. When they slept at night. I would play video games.
Sometimes I get caught and they hit me but it didn't stop me.
I stopped wanting to play video games by my own accord and started studying because its interesting to me.
I don't hate my parents but that shit is traumatizing.
>>74294303
Claiming victory isn't an argument, it's literally admitting you have no arguments and declaring yourself having made an argument.
You didn't make an argument.
>>74293549
Is there any evidence for this?
Lmao you guys are shitty parents
>>74294201
>kid breaks lamp
>tell the child he was being reckless
>discipline him with a spank
>dont be so careless next time little anon, ok?
?????
SHEEEIT HITTING PEOPLE MAKES THEM OBEY ME, DADDDDY PROVED IT TO ME
>>74294410
i win
I think showing kids how good they have it is better than spanking. Instead of just grounding me my parents would send me to the 70s for a week. I got nothing except for what my parents had and I could still do shit I wanted I just had to expend more effort. Made me build some character too and help my dad with chores and shit. Made me not want to do it again and I got to see what you can do with hard work. I never got allowance either that shit is kike af.
>>74294336
>psychology
>actual science
Niggerfaggot, I actually got a degree in an actual science (Chemical Engineering), psychology is literally nigger tier "science" that has no scientific basis in reality whatsoever. None of it.
No falsifiable hypotheses = not a science.
Psychology isn't a science, and the studies you think are valid are literally bad statistics and opinion.
Literally.
They are **literally** nothing more than that.
>>74294581
So now he understands that breaking a lamp is bad because he will be beaten, not because the lamp has value and creates a mess when broken.
>>74294597
Not an argument.
>>74294744
It technically is an argument. He made a statement and it's up to you to disprove it.
>>74294744
i win
I never understood. Is spanking supposed to hurt or something? I can understand if the parent threatens to paddle their kid but spanking? sounds more sexual than anything.
>>74294799
He didn't make an argument, I made an argument then he said I didn't make an arguemnt and then said he won, when really it was him who had no argument, and since you say he did make an argument it's on you to prove what that argument was.
Otherwise you're not making an argument.
>>74294835
Still not an argument.
>>74294985
i still win
>>74289982
Actually research suggests that spanking doesn't build character. Quite the opposite. Children who are physically punished tend to have MORE behavioral issues than those who aren't. Additionally, the only thing it teaches about consequences is to be more deceptive about wrongdoing so as to avoid pain.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2002.00040.x/abstract;jsessionid=CCEC8D21BE677B9CDDF9D1AD59C6A7CA.f04t01?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
>spanking predicted an increase in the level of problem behavior over time, controlling for income-needs ratio and maternal emotional support. Maternal emotional support moderated the link between spanking and problem behavior. Spanking was associated with an increase in behavior problems over time in the context of low levels of emotional support, but not in the context of high levels of emotional support. This pattern held for all 3 racial-ethnic groups.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057.short
>Frequent use of CP (ie, mother's use of spanking more than twice in the previous month) when the child was 3 years of age was associated with increased risk for higher levels of child aggression when the child was 5 years of age (adjusted odds ratio: 1.49 [95% confidence interval: 1.2–1.8]; P < .0001), even with controlling for the child's level of aggression at age 3 and the aforementioned potential confounding factors and key demographic features.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15374424jccp2901_3
>Physically aggressive parenting was linked more specifically with child aggression.
Basically, spanking is for lazy parents who want to vent their frustration instead of actually teaching their kids how to properly behave. Spanking is stupid.
I have more studies if you're interested. They aren't hard to find since it's been widely studied and the results are consistent with the above findings.
>>74295035
Nah, I won because I made an argument.
You can't win without arguments.
I'm the winner now.
t. Molyneux
>>74290831
and here you are, on /pol/, kind of looks like your parents fucked up doesn't it?
>>74294942
His argument was literally that he "won". But that depends on the definition of "won"...
But yeah, I do get your point.
>>74295141
FUCKING MARXISTS REEEEEEEEE
>>74295142
No I declared winner first, so I won. I won +1
>>74294883
bump, someone answer my question.
>>74295321
It's too punish the child by fucking up their brain.
Hasn't spanking been proven to lower IQ in children?
But then I guess thats what 'redpilled' means these days.
>>74295407
You didn't answer my question. Is it supposed to actually hurt or not?
>>74289982
I got spanked once when I was 5, the rest of the time I got beatings. Physical punishment should be reserved for more serious things. But I got beat a decent bit as a kid for doing bad shit. Now I don't break the law or act like a prick as a adult.
tl:dr physical punishment works don't over do it though
>>74289982
>spanking
>These kids today would be much better off if they were spanked
>80% of kids today are spanked
WELL THERE GOES THAT DUMB FUCK ARGUMENT
>>74295141
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2002.00040.x/abstract;jsessionid=CCEC8D21BE677B9CDDF9D1AD59C6A7CA.f04t01?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
>At each wave, mothers reported their use of spanking and rated their children's behavior problems.
>Mothers reported
This is not science. It's taking subjective anecdotal surveys from unreliable sources (the parents who are all biased). From women, no less.
>http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/5/e1057.short
>Maternal reports of CP
>Maternal reports
Oh look, more subjective anecdotal survey gathering.
From women.
>http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15374424jccp2901_3
> Parents of 631 behaviorally disruptive children described the extent to which they experienced warm and involved interactions with their children and the extent to which their discipline strategies were inconsistent and punitive and involved spanking and physical aggression.
>Parents described
>described
More subjective anecdotal surveys.
I know you FDR types are all too fucking retarded to understand anything resembling reality (otherwise you wouldn't be ancaps or think Molyneux is anything but a sociopathci imbecile), but this is really pathetic.
>>74292075
You think the alternatives are either
A) Spank your kid
B) Take away toys
...what?
>>74295141
>Actually research suggests that spanking doesn't build character.
>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/
Independence - check.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org
http://www.tandfonline.com/
Increased level of aggression - check.
Sounds like character building opposite of nu-male for me. Who will complain about this desu?
>>74295664
Not an argument
I win
>>74295321
Okay, I will break it down to you.
According to Stefan Molyneux, spanking is the single largest contributor to failure in life, low IQ and poverty. Even though Stefan is pretty redpilled about race and intelligence, he blames a lot of the failures of blacks and non-whites on their habit of spanking/beating their kids -- blacks and Latinos especially spank their kids more than any other race.
Stefan's argument is a bit stupid in my opinion, because there's a lot of correlation and causality issues in his line of thinking. I think biology plays a bigger role in failure/success than spanking does, but Stefan has good statistics on this and spanking probably has a generally bad effect on kids.
>>74295488
Well, you could make the argument that only 'stupid' low IQ kids continuously do bad things and deserve spanking and never learn. Smart kids would be spanked once or twice or never because they're smart and behave properly. But there's so many factors playing in to stuff like this -- violent parents, depression in parents, divorced parents, and stuff.
>>74294720
Communication...
Im not going to discipline my child if the message wont be understood. Obviously you dont ground a kid who cant even form complete thoughts.
Me striking his rump has nothig to do with money or the mess. He was being reckless or careless. Im enforcing the idea that if you are careless in life you will get hurt.
>>74295488
There is some evidence to suggest this. Saying it's "proven" is very generous though.
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.579.7110&rep=rep1&type=pdf
>>74292075
teeth then fingers
Hitting your kids is a result of you being a shitty parent. If you can't control your kids and need to be violent then you're a nigger.
>>74289982
Some degree if it is necessary. My dad used to kick me in the butt when I harassed my older sister
>>74295800
But does it actually hurt? It doesn't sound like it would hurt, that's why I'm asking.
So when my kid keeps trying to stick their fingers in a light socket I should just yell at them?
>>74289982
That's a very odd picture you chose for spanking, OP. Are you trying to tell us something?
>>74292075
>What will you take away next?
Interesting question.
>>74295664
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/113/5/1321.short
> White non-Hispanic children who were spanked more frequently before age 2 were substantially more likely to have behavior problems after entry into school, controlling for other factors.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2000.tb00883.x/abstract
>Overall, the results are consistent with the hypothesis that it is when parents engage in severe forms of corporal punishment, or administer physical discipline in the absence of parental warmth and involvement, that children feel angry and unjustly treated, defy parental authority, and engage in antisocial behavior.
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=2540224&fileId=S0954579400006040
>Findings indicated that children who had been spanked evidenced levels of aggression that were higher than those who had not been spanked, and children who had been the objects of violent discipline became the most aggressive of all groups. Patterns were qualified by the sexes of the parent and child and subtypes of child aggression (reactive, bullying, and instrumental). The findings suggest that in spite of parents' goals, spanking fails to promote prosocial development and, instead, is associated with higher rates of aggression toward peers.
Also by definition, survey gathering is not "anecdotal". All surveys are conducted by people reporting and describing things. Maybe you should learn how social science is conducted.
>>74292202
You obviously have no character so you're afraid of kids not respecting you enough. And you're right, why would they? You're afraid of them and all you have is violence to defend your "honour".
If you do your job right, you LEAD. You show the kids that following you and your orders is good for them. You give them a clear structure in a social setting with clear rules and clear consequences (that doesnt have to be violence, excluding them from their peers works so, so very much better).
Children first learn through trial and error. The first rule they learn is that actions have consequences. To push your glass of milk over is to spill the milk. No more milk and no more happy mum. Thats 3 years old level of understanding.
When you make rules, you have to also make consequences of breaking said rules clear. And then you have to be consistent. When you allow rule breaking without forcing the consequences, rules become suggestions and you become and advisor, not a leader. And and advisor is not someone you must listen to, they only make suggestions. With children, YOU are the leader, not them. You are NOT an advisor. You are NOT a friend. If you cannot lead, you should not procreate.
Its really not hard to lead children, except for numales and for aspergers, both being afraid of social situations and taking charge. But dont be afraid: Child rearing can be learned. Some have a harder time but it is a skill in the end.
>>74289982
Spanking is vastly preferable to a kid burning themselves, getting run over, hurting a sibling, breaking something costly, etc.
>>74296044
im missing everything in the mid, what do i do lads
>>74295765
Aggression and antisocial behavior are character traits, but not what I or any sane person would consider positive character traits.
>>74295940
>Shooting and jailing criminals is a result of you being a failed state. If you can't control your citizens and need to be violent then you're a nigger. Fuck da police yo.
>>74295960
Statistically, spanking does seem to have a bad effect on kids generally, but I don't think Stefan is really controlling for the right factors. Are parents who spank their kids generally poorer, more violent and have lower IQ, lower temperament, are more aggressive and so on? If so, do they live in worse living conditions that would warrant spanking etc?
If he controls for race, what is the statistical impact of spanking in whites and Asians for example?
It's sort of a chicken/egg thing in a sense. Do low IQ people spank more? If so, you might as well argue that low IQ people have low IQ kids, and their kids are stupid because of genes and not because of spanking.
>>74295664
>This is not science. It's taking subjective anecdotal surveys from unreliable sources (the parents who are all biased). From women, no less.
Meanwhile, all you have are personal anecdotes supporting your case.
There is no evidence that proves spanking causes kids to have more behavioral problems, not a single study has proved this. There is a correlation that kids that are spanked are more likely to have problems but that was the cause of the spanking not the other way around.
>>74289982
Could not agree more.
>My father got spanked, actually curses my grand father some times because he was a very strict war worn resistance faggot from the westlands(+cheapscates just like scots, prolly here the scots got it from)
Also at schools, if you acted up or didn't do your homework, or just did not put an effort into your studies these variants awaited your fingers, buttocks and toes even I think.
>It teaches kids manners
>It makes them hard
Only fucking way to listen.
In todays feminised western world one think one can just talk shit out of people. I promise that did not work with this anon.
>Kids act up
>Spank if necessary
kid learn
>>74296189
>Maybe you should learn how social science is conducted.
This is the point you complete and utter fucking shit-for-brains.
The "social sciences" are literally completely and utterly invalid bullshit with no actual scientific basis whatsoever.
No facts, just opinions.
>>74296270
Full lack of aggression is actually bad in real word it gives green light for literal niggers to exploit society anon.
>>74296567
I have yet to see you provide a shred of statistical evidence. You're provided nothing but opinions. Seems to me this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
>>74296577
Humans are naturally aggressive. They don't need help developing that trait to the point of antisocial levels.
>>74296436
Well let's see, what should I trust more:
A. A bunch of far left wing career sociologists and psychologists who are committed to pushing their marxist version of reality
or
B. Thousands of years of human tradition that have had success in my family for as long as my family has a history
Hmmmmm.
I got hit with the belt and sandals, and I turned out decent.
>>74296567
I think the social "sciences" have some validity when conducted on a very large scale and with more objective means of measurement, such as income, eduction, and similar factors. We know for example that polling tends to be fairly accurate and can be applied to the society as a whole if conducted properly, etc.
'Interview' material is pretty bad. The example he gave where mothers testified about "spanking" and then about their child's problems, you'd need to at the very least compare mothers who don't spank their kids and their reports about their kids problems with mothers who do spank -- if you ask someone to report their kids problems, and then assess those problems subjectively, you're just doing pseudo science politicized bullshit.
Damn, a thread really gets away from you when you leave for a bit.
>>74291607
Sexy times and disciplinary times should be very seperate. If she tries to mix the two you have to stop it.
>>74296758
>I have yet to see you provide a shred of statistical evidence.
I didn't make a claim that needs scientific validation.
I have direct observation of the success of spanking that categorically refutes left wing extremists in marxist academia.
>>74296758
>They don't need help developing that trait to the point of antisocial levels.
Define antisocial levels.
>>74296807
>B. Thousands of years of human tradition that have had success in my family for as long as my family has a history
>Hmmmmm.
and the cycle of abuse continues and an asshole who types "Hmmmmmm" because the dick is full in the mouth
>>74296340
genetics can factor into IQ, but it's also important to remember that human IQ isn't static, it's been proven possible to raise your IQ with proper education and mental exercises
>>74297069
>and the cycle of abuse continues
That's not an argument and you have literally 0 (zero) evidence or facts to back that up.
You call it "abuse" because that's your own extreme sociopolitical OPINION based on your own psychosocial biases that are irrational and factually unfounded.
Why even live, end your life today.
>>74289982
I'd have to say that it didn't work for me, or my foster parents. It only made me hate them and I took revenge on them when I could. I suppose the difference is that we weren't physically related so there was never any real familial bond or affection. Worse, they had kids of their own they actually loved, unlike me.
>>74296912
>I have direct observation of the success of spanking
Literally anecdotal evidence.
>>74296997
Detrimental to social cohesion.
Goddamn you fucking stefbot retards can't make a single fucking argument to save your shitty meaningless lives.
Just die.
>>74289982
A father's relationship with his son should be based on awe and respect. You should never even have to speak to them to achieve that effect. Beating is the absolute laziest way to create the proper relationship between father and son.
My father never touched me. I don't mean he never hit me, I mean I cannot remember a single time I physically touched him in my entire life. It was like he was a god from another world that I was too low to interact with. The one time he ever showed affection for me was at holloween one year when I dressed up as rabbit from Winnie the Pooh. He smiled at me, and made a joke about how he thought I was more the tigger type.
I have spent my entire life trying to be like him. My entire life. I cannot imagine having that level of devotion for someone who merely hit me. God did not slap Abraham. God did not smack Moses. It was unnecessary.
>>74297304
>Literally anecdotal evidence.
No, shit-for-brains, it's ***LITERALLY*** empirical evidence.
Literally.
Actual, empiricial evidence.
It's anecdotal FOR YOU, because it's me saying it to you.
For me, it's absolutely empirical.
You are a fucking imbecile.
A genuinely fucking imbecilic person.
>>74297304
>social cohesion
Quantify social cohesion.
>>74291231
>t. 45 year old NEET
>>74297387
>My father never touched me. I don't mean he never hit me, I mean I cannot remember a single time I physically touched him in my entire life.
Man, you were deprived. How you could respect a man like that suggests to me your family was completely fucking dysfunctional.
My dad and I hug almost every time we see each other.
>>74297387
God kicked Adam and Eve's asses out of the garden and cursed Cain for killing his brother.
Are you saying that any of them respected God less than you respect your father?
That's not even possible, punishment is acceptable when necessary. Wrong doings unpunished leads to rotten shits.
>>74296865
>social science
>>74297453
>It happened once to me so it is proven.
That's not how science works buddy.
>It's anecdotal for you.
Then why the fuck did you bring it up? It doesn't mean anything to us so why don't you keep your anecdotes to yourself?
Oh by the way the only black person I know is extremely intelligent and well educated, THIS MEANS THAT IT IS PROVEN FOR ME THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALL EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT AND WELL EDUCATED. I SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLES EXPERIENCES BECAUSE IT IS EMPIRICALLY PROVEN THAT THIS IS THE CASE FOR ME!!!!!!!
>>74296189
>kids with behavior problems get spanked more often
>therefore, spanking leads to behavioral problems
reverse causation
>>74298250
It's significant to me because I know that those fucking faggots making these shitty sophomoric book reports in university are completely full of shit.
>Niggers, Muslims, Mexicans, blue collar workers and crack head beat their children more than anybody
>High IQ people don't
>Suddenly its an acceptable behaviour because MUH BUIBEL
Fuck off christ cuck, go get your daughters to resent you and date niggers.
>>74297772
I don't think we were dysfunctional. I think it was perfectly functional, if the function was to create someone willing to do anything to equal his father. I can't stop. It will never end. I will die scratching at the mountain to climb another inch.
Isn't that the best way to build society, though?
>>74297144
>genetics can factor into IQ
Massive understatement that's severely misleading, IQ is primarily genetic.
>>74298596
You don't have to be a dumbass who believes in magic to understand that sometimes you need to physically discipline your daughter.
>go get your daughters to resent you and date niggers.
Fact: girl who is spanked by her father is more obedient and doesn't do bad things like going around niggers.
>>74298572
How about you go into social science and blow them all away by creating a method to do achieve real results in social science?
Hitting your kids is for spics and niggers
My parents never hit me and I'm about to graduate with my mech engineering degree from a top 50 school. Most of the kids I know whose parents hit them are inbred human garbage
>>74290390
Just like my Hentai
Kids should be slapped and spanked
But thats about as far as you should go
>>74298776
I agree with the other guy, seems like a terrible childhood. I respect and love my father above almost everyone else but we do a lot together and regularly have physical interaction when we meet.
>>74299234
>Fact:
Proof?
>>74298910
it's not. multiple studies on twins have shown that nature vs nurture goes about 50/50 in most aspects of life, including intelligence.
have you never met twins where one of them was a total dipshit?
Of course there are limits. Work out every day of course you'll get stronger, but you'll never be a power-lifter if you have no arms.
Sorry If I interfere In your degenerate spanking fetish,but how the fuck Is hand/wrist slapping not the best option?
>>74299825
>goes about 50/50
False, studies have shown primarily genetic.
>>74299256
It's called neurology you fucknob.
>>74299234
>specifying 'daughter' and not kids in general
>specifying 'spanked by her father' and not parents in general
>obedient
We get it m8, you want your daughter to grow up with a fucked up daddy kink
I hate kids and don't care if you whack them but you are wrong.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/stevens/ct-spanking-effects-study-balancing-0428-20160428-column.html
>DURR HURR LIBRUL MEDIUH
>>74289982
spanking only works for races of higher IQ it teaches them punishments for wrongdoing and foresight of consequences easier than individuals with lower IQ
>>74299567
Look at girls whose daddy neglected to properly discipline. They're the ones who are untamed and go with niggers.
>>74300080
>fucked up daddy kink
How is it fucked up for a girl to love and respect her father?
>>74300873
>Look at girls whose daddy neglected to properly discipline. They're the ones who are untamed and go with niggers.
lol, white trash mixes it up more than anybody and they get spanked all their childhood.
Beating your kids ass and then expecting them to not solve problems beating other children is not in the cards. Kids naturally disobey to take control of their lives. You have to talk with them and communicate. Maybe my kids are high IQ Aryans, but they dread no phone, Internet, and doing physical chores such as mowing the lawn. Taking away their freedom is far more meaningful then getting in some sweet licks on their asses. To me, I compare it to the death penalty. I find the threat of sitting in a cell 24 hours a day far worse than a quick death penalty.
>>74300484
I like your gif
That is all
Physical trauma can actually change the brain for the worse.
You're stupid if you think otherwise
>>74301311
Lel basic choars are punishments for this cuck. Way to teach responsibility and personal accountability there sifu.
>>74301916
>Physical trauma can actually change the brain for the worse.
Which physical trauma is worse, spanking or 3rd degree burns from a kid pulling down a pan of hot oil?
>>74292075
All the eggs
>>74289982
>this entire thread
>the only hot picture is OP's and it's a stock pic that you'd find in some news article
Why do you waste my time like this, bros?
Spanking is fine until they're about 4 or 5. After that it should only be used for extreme misbehavior.
>>74301311
Kids don't always understand the why until later. Sitting down and talking about the consequences means little to an 8 year old compared to a smart smack on the ass.
>>74302124
First time I was hungover my mom made me do yard work for 6hrs
>>74302504
I prefer stories to pictures. And on reviewing them I realized the stories I was going to refetence aren't actually very good.
>>74300484
spanking only works for races of lower IQ it teaches them punishments for wrongdoing and foresight of consequences easier than individuals with higher IQ that can figure that much out for themselves from experience prior to the time parents deem it time to start spanking their child.
FTFY
To a more intelligent child it might seem that torture for disobedience conflicts with the notion of loving parents. A child who can see beyond the "stick and carrot" bullshit might just culture enough hatred for you to kill you. Not unlike how many people feel about a God that will send them to hell for not loving him in return. Pic related
>>74302163
Why wont you let him touch the pan or oil instead if only for a brief second. It will actually teach him what has he been punished for.
>spanks instead
>>74292075
A kid that misbehaves that much has other problems. Stop your sister from diddling your son.
>>74294265
It makes sense, because 9 times out of 10, men know better to apply force without overdoing it.
>>74289982
spanking is child abuse and if you do it you are a nigger
>>74291656
no he learns not to get caught
>>74292075
talk to your kid, explain to them why its wrong
they don't understand, stop doing stuff for them
they still don't understand do what they did to them
they still don't understand, you probably fucked up way far to back
>>74289982
Corporal punishment is for uneducated rednecks and ghetto niggers. The true white man's form of parental correction is shame and authoritative wisdom.
>>74289982
>makes boys hard
4chan users probably did get hard from spanking as kids desu senpai
>>74290863
Clearly you've never worked in behavioral therapy where 90% of males in the program have only a single mother that has not done one thing to discipline them.
It's illegal as fuck to do, considering I'm not a parent, but it's clear as day these kids need to have their asses whipped or they will not respect people period.
I have one client that is 14 years old and I'm waiting for the day he takes a swing at me. I'll end up saving his life by knocking him the fuck down. Better me than a cop shooting him.
>>74291375
if you aren't a father who can't make your kids be rilled with fear just being disappointed in them you never deserved to have kids
though to have that your kids would have to respect you first
>>74305635
So you can legally physically defend yourself from a minor? Most people would still be arrested and charged.
>>74292947
The NAP is autistic as fuck. Violence works.
>>74292664
>talking to boys,
Found the mudslime
>>74289982
>redpilled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rvb8J5WF-0
>>74305916
The job states that if a client becomes physical that running is the first option but you are allowed to defend oneself within reasonable means.
If the 14 year old squares up and takes a swing at your face to knock you out you bet your ass you can defend yourself.
It's great because in my position it's clear they are there for behavioral issues and typically have rap sheets so the cops sure as hell won't press charges against me and if the mother does she can fuck right the hell off and I can sue her ass.
If you touch your kid, theres a chance that your kid will in anger try to frame you as a pedophile. And in this day and age, you can never be too careful. I just stick to using the belt, its cleaner and it feels less awkward.
I did use a belt when i used to babysit my agro cousins, for a few months id hit them with the belt and that conditioned them to associate the belt with pain. And now everytime i babysit them, i just keep the belt right next to the couch, just to remind them im not their parents, and i wont tolerate anything other their full respect and obedience.
>>74289982
jesus christ, just because you were all reaised by ill-tempered alcoholics who didn't have the balls to either fully love you or hate you it doesn't mean everyone else should be the same
my father commands respect merely by being in the room - i can count the number of times he has raised his voice to me on one hand. I'm not sure what is more heavily indicated by a willingness to put hands to a child, whether it be poor self-control, anger, spite, confusion, or low intelligence - but it isn't necessary. Your father should love you and you should love your father.
>>74306985
I bet all these no hit fags are rude annoying motherfuckers just like when they were kids and their lazy ass parents didnt do shit to them
I guess the Isis terrorists weren't hit enough as kids
>>74290128
wat
>>74307123
yeah and i bet that your padre, or lack thereof, was far from "lazy" in the measures that he took to make sure you grew into a piece of shit
>>74304969
>spanking is child abuse
Prove it, faggot.
>>74307830
>Waaaaaah! He disagrees with me so he's a piece of shit!
Congrats, your father raised a liberal faggot.
>>74289982
> got spanked when i got in trouble
> got good at not getting in trouble
The most beautiful thing about being raised with spankings is that it doesn't teach you to be good, just not to get caught or openly step out of line.
Sometimes you still gotta break rules.
Scolding is where a sense of ethics develops though.
>>74306102
If violence doesn't work, it is because you aren't using enough of it.
A smart child only needs to be spanked once. Behind every sharp glare or low toned reprimand should be the mental image of getting that one ass beating that they wont forget.
I am not the friend of my children, I am their father. When their friends abandon them when they choose virtue over immediate reward, I will console them. When their friends cheer them for making bad decisions because it is cool, I will provide a foundation of justice and stability that will rebuke them.
Be a proud father, someone needs to raise the children that will lead the future.
>>74307909
The only liberal faggots here are the ones that say spanking is child abuse, faggot.
Go cry about it and hug a pony plushie. It will be therapeutic.
