Practiced meditators from any religion or school all harp on about one thing: letting go.
Letting go of attachment, wants, desires, fears, and pains. Their path to happiness involves avoiding the pursuit of happiness. To a Buddhist, the human want for fulfillment is what creates unfulfillment. That is very stoic, and helpful for those whose lives are ruled by the physical.
But is there something wrong with this anti-human detachment? I'd you accept all that comes to you, where does your will manifest? Is the most glorious death to a Buddhist monk simply to be swallowed by the tide?
>>74266825
I understand where they're coming from, in the sense that they oppose materialism, which many of us oppose also.
But these guys are essentially aiming for suicide, or at best for life as if we were some kind of plant.
>>74267220
That's my understanding of it as well. Controlling want is not a bad thing, but removing yourself from the world's ecosystem is. Nature takes into account (some) human action in the environment.
We are stewards of the Earth.
I just don't understand why Buddhism has become the meme religion for white girls that it is
>>74268717
They don't practice real buddhism. They practice a weird mix of buddhism, native American practices and nigger witch doctor theories. They get white girls by stupid mantras that make them feel better. its easier than practicing an actual religion. It lets liberals fill the missing gap the being godless leaves.
>>74269458
What a shame
>>74266825
Keep in mind our version of buddhism that made it to the west is hippy piss that isn't necessarily like the real deal.
My understanding of it is you should strive to remove suffering from your life, that means different things to different people.
Personally, I believe suffering builds character and makes you stronger, whilst buddhism seems to shirk life and thus you never really grow, you just sound all wise and profound in your temple in the middle of fucking nowhere.
If you think buddhism is bad though, you should read taoism, it's arguably even worse.
Taoism doesn't even tell you to let go of everything because it removes suffering, it tells you to let go of it because it's too much effort and effort disrupts harmony.
Taoist scripture discourages learning and expanding the mind because it believes there's no point in it and it disrupts peace.
It's hard to believe Taoism was the main religion in China for so long desu senpai.
you guys have no understandment of buddhist teachings and are trying to judge it somehow
get a grip
not even a buddhist btw
>>74266825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bM1STI8Hkc
you don't understand what Buddhism is about.
in Buddhism, the will you speak of is ego, and ego is the main cause of suffering in Buddhism. there is no soul. there is no "you". they aren't swallowed by the tide - they/we are the tide. you are judging something from a different mindset and thus do not understand it.
From what I understand Buddhism encourages you to assert your wants but wants not to become attached to things you "have". It doesn't advocate rolling over and dying.
>>74266825
Nothing wrong with them; buddhists seem like peaceful people. Zen seems to have a very interesting philosophy because it teaches to not believe in simple words and thoughts but to be aware of your environment and consciousness. It's about a deeper experience of the world. Some philosophical teachings in Buddhism resemble modern western views.
>>74272018
>buddhists seem like peaceful people
Until Muslims ruin it, like they do with everything.
>>74271510
Gotta get a grip gotta get a grip gotta get a grip gotta get
I don't understand the Buddhist thing with Tibet. It was here. Now it is gone. Let go of your attachments
>>74273808
TIBET BTFO!!
KEK
>>74273808
It always has to be Straya.
I actually am finding that asd I get older, I enjoy myself more the more I stop desiring things.
It's an odd way of going about things, as I can now afford all of the things that I used to want.
It's not a religious process for me, or even philosophical though. It started when I quit smoking, I am enjoying the freedom of not needing to consume every few minutes.
And this is translating itself into other aspects of my life, food for example, I no longer long for anything.
And I always had to mix pleasures, if I got to a good part in a book, I would stop and want to be eating something good while reading it ect.
Now, I prefer to not detract from one experience by in incorporating another.
This coincides with shifts in my musical tastes as well, where I am now enjoying minimalist styles, exploring the nuances of base elements that I previously never even regarded.
As the world around me bombards me with more and more information, I am finding that I enjoy the times in which I can reduce the amount of stimulation I am exposed to.
Again this is kind of ass backwards, I was born in the early 70's in a small town in a home with no television ect, and I used to be very bothered by this, I always felt like I was missing out.
Now I am starting to feel like I am missing out when I AM watching tv.
It is very hard to explain, for a long time, I was repelled by simplicity, it was almost something I was ashamed of. But now that my financial situation is vastly different and simplicity is no forced upon me by circumstance, I find myself no longer desiring what I used to covet at all.
My next step is to retire fully, and get rid of this computer. I know that there is nothing I need from this. I remember before the internet existed, and how I learned so much more from libraries. This is decay, and my compulsion to participate is eroding rapidly.
>>74266825
I think it's retarded too. I don't know why Westerners obsess over it other than because it relates to their nihilistic tendencies.
buddhism is an attempt to find the middle path between brutal asceticism and worldliness. It is a philosophy which recognizes the inherent 'correctness' of asceticism, in a broad sense, but also recognizes that a truly pure asceticism is ultimately just death, and as such prohibitive of other 'correct' goals.
>>74276160
So really it's just a bullshit filter? Filter out the degeneracy and find a pure and purposeful goal and focus on that and find meaning in your life.
So really /pol/ should just become a buddhist board. Then we really can say we're a board of peace.
>>74271801
Ew no thanks. I'll keep my soul
>>74266825
buddhism is asian
in asia insect like thinking is the norm and encouraged
and look how far it got them
>>74266825
It's not wrong by itself, it's just philosophically equivalent to a suicide. As far as I understand Buddhism, its goal is to commit the ultimate suicide and leave the circle of rebirth. For me, it's stupid.
Also, wrong board.
>>74271801
>ego death is totally enlightening, maaan
Dumb.
>>74276654
Why does he sit like that?
>>74271318
>Taoist scripture discourages learning and expanding the mind because it believes there's no point in it and it disrupts peace.
Taoism places great emphasis on studying and understanding the natural world, which is why many ancient chinese alchemists, astronomers, mathematicians, etc were Taoists.
>>74279298
Maybe his butt hurts
>>74276654
it already is, and always has been. 4chan in general. the internet in general. because the internet is wise.
>>74278360
Tbf they were the most advanced society for centuries.
>>74266825
Jesus also advocated what you call detachment.
I will admit, a lifetime of being influenced by Westernized views of Eastern religions, has corrupted any sort of drive to the future I ever had. Plus, I'm actually less empathetic. Psychedelics reinforced that view on me. If everything and everyone is infinite, yet all just one part of god viewing itself, what differences does anyone or any experience make?
>>74279321
Then why is the Tao Te Chang saying that it's all fuck all. That's the impression i'm getting reading the scripture.
Maybe if it was less flowery and just got to the point, I'd understand it better.
Fucking asians and their poetic nonsense.
The impression it's giving me is one should find fulfillment in nothing, in stillness. That learning is unnecessary and that one should fill their belly and not their head.
It just seems really idealistic and silly at the moment.
>>74266825
You should keep in mind though that actual buddhism and """""buddhism""""" that's practiced in the west (usually by dumb hipster chicks) differ by a lot
>>74275468
thank you for sharing this, I felt the same way and didn't even know it. Dem synchronicities.
>>74279298
he's a big man
>>74271318
>it tells you to let go of it because it's too much effort and effort disrupts harmony.
effort and chaos are also a part of the harmony. two sides of the same coin. the tao te ching doesn't say to not exert effort, it says to act without attachment.
>>74276654
>Religion
>Put on a costume and be a hobo
Why are there no religions that are just like "Meet once a week and find a practical problem in your local area, team up to help fix that problem, then hang out and play pool at a bar. Maybe go exercising or to the gym together on Mondays. Fuck Muslims."
If I could found a religion, that would basically be it.
>>74266825
>>74279875
>tfw 30% of American Buddhists are Jewish
The Jews are a strange people
>Buddhism
You are a little baby. Cynicism is the ultimate redpill.
>Fuck everything
>Masturbate in public
>Live in a barrel
>Never shower
>Tell Kings to fuck off out of your sun
>Get called a dog, embrace it and bite evildoers.
>Call Plato a bitch
If I was not Alexander, I would be Diogenes.
>>74280313
I think the church of Satan probably meets your criteria.
>>74266825
the thing is it really is required to be on a higher plane of awareness/intelligence/consciousness to understand what this stuff actually means. The esoteric stuff is the real deal, the mass consumed side of any religion which is the exoteric side is usually watered down generalized garbage.
I doubt you are going to have anyone successfully explain the esoteric side of Buddhism to you, Especially on /pol/. Even people who have discussed and read up on it for hours can have trouble with it.
"being detached" doesn't mean what you think it means. You can still work on things or believe in things etc. But your perspective comes from a higher plane.
Its hard to explain or understand, its almost like another dimension of thought.
>>74280858
Your reddit is showing.
>For the Cynics, the purpose of life was to live in virtue, in agreement with nature.
>>74275468
Meaningful post.
Thanks.
>>74279856
>The Tao Te Ching praises self-gained knowledge with emphasis on that knowledge being gained with humility. When what one person has experienced is put into words and transmitted to others, so doing risks giving unwarranted status to what inevitably must have had a subjective tinge.
>"The pursuit of learning is to increase day after day. The pursuit of Tao is to decrease the doing of the self day after day." (chap. 48, tr. W. T. Chan)
I've never read it, just remembering documentaries and wiki. apparently it's really hard to understand with all the literary allusion to contemporary text and intentional vagueness
anyway it seems to encourage self-gained knowledge but looks down on book-learning, so it makes sense for Taoists to natural scientists, but I'm wondering why they bothered writing down and sharing their findings.
>>74280858
lol you are a baby.
>>74280858
>Cynicism
no it's not redpilled.
>>74280951
Why would you bother giving a serious answer to a 13 year edgelord fake Nazi on /pol/?
You just got fucking rused, you fucking baited retard.
>>74266825
it is the cuck mindset, letting go's all nice and well until you need to provide for yourself or defend yourself and then suddenly you are starving to death or getting your head caved in by niggers because you le dont le want for le nothing
itt white people misunderstand buddhism because they're angry christians
>>74279298
Does squatting look more comfortable to you?
>>74281919
Why don't you educate us, o enlightened one?
>>74280951
"Zen Keys" by Thich Nhat Hanh is a good introduction to the mindset of buddhists.
>>74281551
>but I'm wondering why they bothered writing down and sharing their findings
This is what I find funny too. The scripture itself seems half assed. Which is why I guess I though Taoism seemingly doesn't really give a fuck.
The happiest people are buddhists, and the only thing that really matters is happiness
>>74279856
>Then why is the Tao Te Chang saying that it's all fuck all
It's saying that everything is *born* from nothing, not that everything is literally nothing.
The example I always like to use is this: Hold out your hands. What do you have? Two hands, of course. Now cup your hands together. What do you have? A bowl. Your hands are not the bowl, but they give shape to the bowl. So where did the bowl come from? It came from "nothing" (aka the Tao, the source of all things). Essentially, Taoism sees the universe as a zero-sum object - so everything in it has come from nothingness.
>>74279856
>The impression it's giving me is one should find fulfillment in nothing, in stillness.
Stillness is the wrong word. Harmony is a better word. A central concept of Taoism is "Wu Wei" which translates to something like "effortless action." The jist of that concept is that you should not fight against nature but rather embrace nature and find harmony within it. (Note that "nature" and "heaven" are somewhat interchangeable in some eastern religions, so think less "tree-hugging hippy" and more the "order of the universe" when you see the word nature.) One of the most often used metaphors in Taoism is water - it is both immensely strong (fluids don't compress) and able to take almost any shape (whatever its container happens to be), yet when water moves it is seen as entirely effortless and fluid. So when you read "non-action" in the TTC, think of water flowing into a container, not someone literally doing nothing.
>>74266825
I think there are many paths to being free of desire...however, I think Buddhism is best viewed as as sub-set of Hinduism.
You cannot understand Buddhism without understanding Hinduism, just like you cannot fully understand Christianity without understanding pre-christian Judaism.
Desire is what creates the universe, what creates the world...everything that exists is a product of desire. Whether it be the divine willing the universe into existence. Or a man desiring a chair so he decides to build one, or two parents who desire each other and a child coming together to procreate.
Desire is the root of creation.
Eliminating desire is what you do for spiritual liberation. If you no longer need to create, or do anything, it's basically saying you're on another level, and you no longer want or need anything.
I think this is a valid path towards greater spirituality and enlightenment. I don't doubt that.
But how good is enlightenment? Is it something to be desired? Why should I want ot reunite with the great divine instead of live a physical life?
It's just about what you want. If you want to end the cycle of reincarnation and join Brahma/God as one, then yeah follow the 8-fold path.
Or, if you like the earth, and like living, keep on doing what you're doing. Nothing wrong with being involved in the physical realm.
Everything happens completely naturally at it's own pace. Just do what you think is right, eventually you'll want to do something else anyway.
>>74283909
>you cannot fully understand Christianity without understanding pre-christian Judaism
opinion discarded
Buddhism is literally the cuck religion par excellence
>>74268717
you obviously do not understand the spiritual revolution of the 1960s. It was much deeper and more profound than any of the political, social, or artistic movements of the time period.
People were looking for new modes of thinking and for new ideas in general.
While hinduism and buddhism had been in America since at least the 1890s, when Sri Ramakrishna (I think that's who it was, I could be wrong) gave a speech on eastern religions at the Chicago World's Fair, it was still a niche thing. Yes you had yoga workshops in the US in the 20s-40s but that was mostly confined to a small niche audience.
However, these philosophies exploded in the 1960s. Why is this?
People began taking LSD and psychedelic mushrooms. Lots of people took these drugs and had profound experiences. Many of them felt that they could not reconcile their experiences with Christianity. not that Christianity was against it...just that there was nothing in Christianity that explains these experiences (there is actually, but this information is mostly confined to theological scholars and not your average churchgoer).
And so people turned to Hinduism and Buddhism, which seemed to offer explanations of these experiences.
Chief among these if the Tibetan Book of The Dead, which was "translated" or rather, explained by Timothy Leary in the 1960s and others. Essentially they correlated the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is Tibetan Buddhism's instructions and explanation of the death process, with the process that one undergoes on high doses of psychedelic drugs. It is uncanny how similar this book, thousands and thousands of years old, is to the psychedelic experience of taking LSD or mushrooms.
And so, because of this, people began to study these religions more intensely. Alan Watts became popular. The west coast, having a larger asian population even in the 60s, had buddhism schools and centers. Watts traveled the country talking about Zen Buddhism.
>>74279856
it's not about fulfillment.
absence of fulfillment is also fulfillment.
>>74273590
Do you like hurting other people?
>>74284060
are you seriously that retarded?
Jesus is the Messiah.
In order for their to be a messiah, there has to be a group of people prophesying and waiting for that Messiah.
Have you even read the book of Isaiah?
I'm not saying Judaism is right, it isn't. But you cannot properly understand Christianity and the method of Jesus and how he fulfilled the prophecies without understanding Judaism.
Jesus fulfilled the law.
>>74282663
Thanks, both those points were extremely helpful. I'd understand the scripture better if it was more literal instead of vague.
>>74268144
Buddists want a soft genocide of all life. There can be no suffering then. It's a religion for cucks , Christ is the only way.
>>74284983
You don't need a deep understanding of pre-Christian Judaism to understand that he is the messiah (Christianity includes the Old Testament).
Judaism is so different from Christianity that many early Christians (the Gnostics) believed that the Jewish god is some kind of devil.
You could also say you need a understanding of the Roman Empire - but these are just historical facts that don't describe the essence of Christianity.
>>74285692
not just gnostic christians. canaan followed the same god apparently (el), but according to them el was the name of the golden calf idol, the "bull of heaven", the same one who jews were often chastised for falling for.
old testament has been heavily corrupted during the stay in babylon, combining moses's revealed god with the calf.
I could give a fuck about the beliefs and books involved int he actual religion or its practices.
The only part I like in the mental discipline aspect. The rest is just lies.
I remember watching some brit who became a monk invited to do a talk at google, at the end some girl with a nerdy voice asks the obvious question "why do you even need all that religious stuff, why not just focus on the mental practice part?" and the britmonk went insane and told her to shut up and listen to the buddhist shit because they've been doing it forever.
You could practice bullshit for ten thousand years, in my mind its still bullshit. I don't see any value in these philosophies beyond the practice of self-hypnosis and navel gazing.
The end goal being not feeling like shit. The rest of their musing is artistically interesting to me, but I don't see its connection to reality. No different than christian bullshit.
Buddhists have texts full of crap just like christians.
>>74285564
>I'd understand the scripture better if it was more literal instead of vague.
Completely understandable. Most translations tend to keep the vague and poetic aspect of the text because it's thought that style was intended, and is actually an important aspect of the book. The TTC sort of paints itself into a corner because it basically says "lel you can't find true knowledge in a book, dummy... uhh but this isn't a book of knowledge, its just poetry that tells you truths you already knew :^)". But the real point in there is to differentiate between knowledge that you're told to be true, and knowledge that you can work out to be true yourself. Sort of a faith vs logic thing.
Also, there are some more literal translations of the TTC out there but they tend to be awkward as fuck to read. Sometimes they're useful for decyphering those horribly vague passages though. Also don't be afraid to skip shit and come back to it later... the TTC has a bad habit of saying the same damn thing a dozen different ways throughout the book.
>>74287115
i think one of the points of these flowery, hard to understand books is the drive to discover the truth in them yourself.
that is the basis of true freedom. one you discover, conquer by yourself, rather than having it handed to you on a silver platter and then squandering it with your ignorance.
have a man fight for his freedom and learn what it really means by himself, and he ends powerful like america. hand a man this freedom and he ends like most arab countries or africa, losing it to a sniveling jew or muslim because pretty words he heard, but not understood.
the reason why I baceme buddhist is because it brings piece to my soul.
You just let go of everything thant doesnt bring you froward. You let go of negative people, habbits,things- what ever.
Meditation brings you to a different level of existence. I could go on and on about the benefits of meditation, just google it for yourself. What I love about buddhist that its all about being focused, present to the moment and taking life for what it is without sugarcoating the fuck out if it. Like the american christioan who constantly ask for prayers leeching from outside, buddhism concetrates on yourself, since you shouldnt seek anything form outside to achieve inner piece and fulfillment. But thats just my take on it im sure many people will disagree with me.
This dude got me really inspired-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0wiAuOqik
ITT:
People with no idea and experience talk about buddhism.
>>74288262
> Argentina
> white
>>74287955
>You just let go of everything thant doesnt bring you froward. You let go of negative people, habbits,things- what ever.
This sounds like new-age mumbo jumbo straight from E. Tolle.
What kind of Buddhism do you practice?
Buddhism is a bullshit religion for people wealthy enough to literally be of no use to the world.
It sounds to me that Buddhists are incredibly useless. All these things that are natural to human desires are the things that push political change and creates the world around us.
>>74288955
my kind.
but like i wrote im sure that many people would disagree with me.
click on the link and see for yourself. ( not particular that vid)
>>74266825
>Buddhism
>Based on the teachings of some rich fat kid that got enlightened after taking a nap under a tree
lol no thanks, just look at all countries that got their moral values from this cuck practice. There are only 5 prosperous cities in China, literally everything else is a complete poverty hellhole. You can not create an objective moral code from a religion that has relativism attached to it's core
>>74289439
The Buddha ≠Budai.
The Buddha was an Indian prince who rejected his material wealth to seek enlightenment.
Budai was a Chinese and Japanese deity that was a symbol of good fortune and luck who later became incorporated into Buddhism as a Bodhisattva.
Also Buddhist morality isn't "relativist". There are no "sins" per se, but there is right action and right intention and straying from that path generates negative karma.
>>74280858
you're a fucking cunt for posting a tiny version of that painting and I genuinely despise you for it
>>74288955
yeah this sounds like the "hide from anything that triggers me in my safe space" type buddhism.
there is fear in your soul. in everyone's souls. you can either hide from it or confront it. if you hide from it, it will resurface and hit you over and over, denying you true peace.
if you confront and conquer it, it will no longer hold power over you, giving you the true inner peace.
>>74289719
Still far from objective and way insufficient to build high complex societies for long periods of time
>>74291120
i think you misunderstand.
Its not about hiding, its about removing.
If you have negative people in your live you will not go out and " conquer "them, will you? you cut them out and let them go. If you have bad habbits like drinking or smoking, you let those go too. Fear is something that I despise, since it holds power over you. What will happen , that will happen. Dont worry about the past or the future, stay in the now.
>>74285692
yes you do, you need to understand the Old Testament to understand the New Testament properly.
Yeah sure it can be enlightening but it makes more sense if you have studied the OT.
It's like playing Halo 2 without ever playing Halo combat evolved...like yeah it's fun but you won't fully understand the dynamic between humans and the covenant without playing Halo.
>>74289104
You're not totally wrong.
The Buddha himself was incredibly wealthy before he began his spiritual journey.
If anything, his extreme wealth afforded him a position where he had the luxury of pondering the nature of human existence, whereas most people in his time had to work all day. He could just travel around and do whatever.
>>74281919
blog tier religious info desu senpai
about as misleading as john3:16 christians
>>74291582
Well considering that China was more Taoist and Confucianist than Buddhist, I'd say that state doesn't offer much evidence to your claim. Japan was more Buddhist than China and clearly a complex and "advanced" society.
But having read Weber, I can understand how the desperate need to prove one's salvation can drive a person to accumulate signifiers of "blessing". Though I'm not sure how ideal accumulation is for building a lasting society considering every Calvinist-Capitalist Western society seems to be pushing towards collapse.
>>74285692
>Christians (the Gnostics)
These two groups are mutually exclusive and antithetical to each other.
>>74286813
More half wrong nonsense. El's son is Ba'al, and Ba'al is represented by a bull.
YHWH is not El.
>>74287955
No buddhist will ever experience the peace that passes all understanding, available to all christians.
westerner's take on Buddhism is one of taking no responsibly in favor of self growth
ironically most of these people are usually wealthy, and just use "Buddhism" as an excuse for their own degeneracy
they're not really Buddhists just degenerates fetishizing eastern spirituality to feel special
>>74292798
And Japan won't last for more 200 years, yeah, that proves my point. Accumulating signifiers of "blessing" is not the main point of western belief systems. The new and old testaments provides objective and clear moral values that are fundamental on maintaining high complex and miscegenated societies. The benefits are unmeasurable
>>74292163
your explanations kind of sound like the feminist passive aggressiveness, hiding from anything that may trigger you so you can live in temporary bliss and ignorance until some nasty reality check slams so hard at your door it breaks through.
the conquest was a metaphorical conquest. not a barbaric beatdown, but standing up to them and the subconscious fear their presence generates in you. overcoming the adversity, not hiding from it whenever it appears. also called "growing a thicker skin." only that way can you get stronger and more stable mentally, spiritually and emotionally.
fear is like a black stain on your soul.
what you're doing is painting over it. a hard enough impact will crack the paint and reveal the stain again.
what you should be doing is scrubbing it out so it can never return no matter how much you're shaken, because the stain has been fully eradicated.
as you get rid of your fears, your ego slowly dissipates. then you'll find that people who bothered you before no longer bother or matter to you. old people often reach that point.
>>74292924
the bible says he is. "you knew me as El Shaddai (el the terrible, the destroyer), but as yhwh you did not know me" or something like this.
>>74292334
The most popular parts of the Old Testament are Genesis and Exodus (10 % of the content). Most of the stuff in the Old Testament isn't even relevant to the New Testament. And as I mentionend: The Old Testament is part of modern Christianity, but has a Christian Interpretation. Christians don't need the older Jewish interpretation to understand Christianity. Both religions are way too different.
>>74292869
They saw themselves as Christians as any other Christian group at the time (there were lots of them, as Christianity was still evolving). The New testament and Jesus was central for all Christian groups and we really don't know enough about Gnosticism to call them mutually exclusive.
>>74294675
old testament is useful for context, and interpretations of the prophecy symbolism (meaning of some symbols can be gathered from ot such as in hand and in forehead = in actions and in beliefs), but not as a way of life or worship, that contract was fulfilled by christ to free the jews from under its burden.
a gift they ultimately rejected, prefering to keep living in bondage.
Buddhism is about preserving the good while battling the evil.
Killing an innocent being, from and insect to a human, is bad, but killing an evil man if it means protecting the good is encouraged.
Buddhism is a lot more complicated than western new age shit would lead you to believe.
I.E.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikk%C5%8D-ikki
>>74292163
>If you have negative people in your live you will not go out and " conquer "them, will you? you cut them out and let them go.
This is new-age disguised as Buddhism.
> Fear is something that I despise
You are using hatred against you. Fear is an integral part of yourself.
You should read some books written by actual buddhist monks.
What we call Buddhism in the west has been mutilated beyond recognition by charlatans, in order to create a shallow and easily assimilated philosophy, suited for bored people with money to waste.
>>74266825
Holding on when you need to let go can be destructive as hell. Sometimes you just have to go "yolo". The trick is balancing the 2 states of mind.
>>74295838
>Buddhism is about preserving the good while battling the evil.
What is evil?
This again isn't Buddhism, just a new-age idea.
>>74296212
>This again isn't Buddhism, just a new-age idea.
idiot
>>74296290
>ad hominem
You just convinced me.
>>74296470
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vai%C5%9Brava%E1%B9%87a
>In Japan, Bishamonten (毘沙門天), or just Bishamon (毘沙門) is thought of as an armor-clad god of war or warriors and a punisher of evildoers. Bishamon is portrayed holding a spear in one hand and a small pagoda in the other hand, the latter symbolizing the divine treasure house, whose contents he both guards and gives away. In Japanese folklore, he is one of the Seven Lucky Gods.
>Bishamon is also called Tamonten "listening to many teachings" because he is seen as the guardian of the places where the Buddha preaches. He is believed to live halfway down Mount Sumeru. He is also associated with Hachiman.
Chinese Buddhism has Guan-Yu who fulfills a similar purpose.
>>74279298
Rooting yourself to the ground so that your spine is straight with the ground helps with meditation, and centralizing your sense of touch and spacial awareness/balance, prayers beads help count breathing, incense helps concentrate your sense of smell, and things like a gong and being outside help stimulate your sense of hearing.
Essentially meditation is allowing your body and senses to react as they would and to stop trying to control them, you let your body breath as it wants, you let your nose smell what it wants, and hear all the noise you ears drink in.
You let your mind wander as much as it wants and try not to direct it at all, if you can do this right you enter a trance were you are observing yourself observing yourself.
Rapidly your mind will quiet down, almost like leaving a pool of water alone the ripples die out.
Not to sound like a huge faggot, anyway meditation is a real thing and useful tool for contemplation.
It doesn't actually reveal anything, it's not like a mystic vision or any crap, it's simply a state of self awareness were you let go of controlling yourself, and then observe that you and everything else you sense are in some fashion one single entity.
It's a profound feeling, and can really help those who write, or are philosophical because it more or less clears the mind.
Alan watts made a great audio recording that teaches how to do it, but keep in mind all this shit is full of new age crap in the west.
>>74271318
Taoism is do whatever the fuck you want and try not to be a fucking tryhard. Its great.
>>74266825
Buddhism endgame is entering nirvana or more like ultimate death. You can be sure a religion is pretty fucking retarded when all sorts of living is considered suffering.
Buddhism can be represented as slaves endlessly climbing a steep mountain to get to the top and then jumping in at the end out of despair when they realize all their effort spent climbing only got them at the mouth of a fucking volcano. Just to be reborn at the bottom none the wiser and repeating the cycle. Taoist is the guy who just leaves to do whatever he wants rather than climbing.
t.taoist
>>74297440
>Taoism is do whatever the fuck you want and try not to be a fucking tryhard. Its great.
>t.taoist
you read some shit on here
>>74296831
So what, you can't infer from the existence of one deity among many, that they main aim of the religion is: >>74295838
>Buddhism is about preserving the good while battling the evil.
>>74266825
Life is suffering if you want nothing you cannot suffer and are freed to share your inner self with the world. You use the time you spent suffering, and your new found clarity to spread compassion to all those you encounter.
>>74293906
I think the west and especially Christians ( Catholics) are addicted to fear since you have been injected with it since you were little and brought up with it. If you don´t fear then there is something wrong with you, if you don´t have a linear knight like approach to things then you are weird. But especially the Poles are drenched in fear and hatred, since you have been always abused and beaten by all the nations around you. Your never ending hate for the Russians or us Germans is a prime example for that. Your constant silly fear of being attacked by Russia ( or whomever at this point) just shows that there was no real mental development in your minds. Fear is natural and will be always part of the human psyche. You can pretend to be a polish hussar in a shiny Armour fighting off the muslim/russkie/jew/nigger hordes, or just let it all go or of course drench your fear in some good old grasovka.
>>74297846
it is not the main aim, but it is a purpose that has been enacted hundreds of thousands of time through history.
>>74298264
When someone is abused long enough the learn to expect and anticipate that abuse its common to trauma and generally leads to violence. You cannot make peace with those who have no intention towards you except violence and exploitation. If what you say is true their thoughts are understandable.
>>74297728
That's how it works nigga. There's the great dao. But the great dao is simply how the world works. The great dao is actually (you) . Because your (ego) is the center of your world and everything revolves around you. You should follow your dao and don't expend effort being a fucking tryhard for vain things because that disrupts your dao.
In /pol/ sense:
>become president and work hard to reform the place just to benefit the country or earn approval from the citizens
This is not following your dao nigga, its a waste of time
>become president and work hard to reform the place just for so you can feel like damn I made america fucking great thats awesome
Hell yeah now you're walking the DAO
>>74298264
drowning in fear is not the same as facing it and overcoming it.
facing and overcoming it is finding its root, deconstructing it, understanding it and destroying it.
not just stewing in it forever until it magically goes away. it doesn't.
what i'm saying leads to defeating fear so it no longer has any grip on you, not entering a state of permanent fear as you assume, nor hiding from it every time it reappears as your method suggests.
>>74298634
please be real dude.
Germany will never be able to act as an aggressor ever again. We have been colonized and the aggressive German mentality has been utterly destroyed.
War will only harm Russia and be everything but in its interest.
The west has painted a picture where Russia is itching to attack Europe, but its a lie since Russia( Putin and all the oligarchs) just want to lay back and keep on selling Russia natural resources. Everything else will not be profitable.
>>74298650
>ignoring the sanbao
>become president and work hard to reform the place just for so you can feel like damn I made america fucking great thats awesome
>Ignoring that Lao Tseu posed the principle that the head of a country should not interfere with the life of the people
>>74299221
Personally I could care less. Just saying their mindset is understandable if what you said is true. I would quickly learn to hate someone who abused me and spend every waking minuet trying to find a way to destroy them in any way I can.
>>74298905
So how is your " facing the Russian aggressor " fear treatment working out for you? When will you come over and defeat the Muslim hordes washing over Europe? Dont preach it if you dont practice it, brother.
>>74266825
God damn this is a stupid thread. I wish I never opened it.
>>74299519
>>74299617
i don't hate ruskies. many polish people do, yeah. i don't give a shit. where did you get the idea that every single pole hates ruskies because we're the borg and what one does, everyone does?
why would i go solve your problems? you caused your problems, you deal with them. either fight them and get cucked by your government or flee to make new germany, like when people left england to form usa, ignoring the cries of globalist shills who want you to stay cucked forever.
>>74299427
Look you don't understand. Following the dao mean for each individual to follow their own dao. That means it's inevitable that peoples dao collide.
Specifically following some other faggots teachings just because hes the great this and that is exactly straying from your dao. That's where we get into the
>>74271318
>because it's too much effort and effort disrupts harmony.
>Taoist scripture discourages learning and expanding the mind because it believes there's no point in it and it disrupts peace.
Sure, that geezer is right. If the head of country doesn't interfere with the lift of people then THAT COUNTRY is great for the dao (of the people living there). However that also means that the head of that country might be the furthest away from his personal dao, depending on where his dao should've lead him.
>>74300050
Your country's foreign policy is sucking the American cock because of the scary Russians.
>>74300229
i am not my country. i don't identify myself with politicians or a piece of land.
>>74300368
yes but you post under the flag of Poland which is the only constituent of your identity here
>>74300210
you hurt my soul because I'm a Chinaboo and your self service pseudo-taoism reminds me of that kid who ran around the courtyard with red shoes and his hands behind his back like sonic the hedgehog
>>74300576
so?
why are you trying to impose some sort of predefined identity package on me?
>you should be doing x y and z, why aren't you? that's the identity ego you're supposed to be using! no fair!
>>74300576
kek
Are you questioning your belief? I do not. My life is for filling as fuck.
>>74300872
I'm not, I am saying that on /pol/ stereotypes dominate because the only constituent of posters is their nationality, or rather the country under which they post as.
I don't think you've been here very long if you haven't realized that.
And ultimately you are irrelevant both to the perception and the actions of your country, because actions speak louder than words and Poland, as an entity, has been acting irrationally regarding Russia for a long time.
>>74266825
well op i used to medataite it all depends on your well being and shit like that, but really its painful, you fuck up with stress or even a simple anger you could end up in a mental hospital. Bassically whats its doing its comboning you with the spirit world yourself.
:tldr its bassically satanism with some back story to give your soul and mentality away if you fuck up in any simple way
don't do it anyone who tells you its good for you is a retarded idiot.
>>74266825
It is oriental nihilistic paganism. It is garbage. Buddha is burning in hell as we speak (because he denied God).
>>74301103
>implying any of us is relevant
we're all spectators. the politicians are actors. we came here to watch earth go to absolute shit hellhole, then die, re-ascend back to higher realms of existence where there's no flesh, no body, no matter, just thought and memes and shitpost about it.
Friend practices Buddhism. Real nice guy, very gentle and friendly, but identifies as a communist and is an idealist. I'm not sure which influenced which first, but both of those things seem to have similarities between them.
i actually don't like Buddhism because while the message of non-attachment is good in the sense of material goods, it takes it several steps further to no attachment to anything. If you have no attachment to anything, you don't value anything. If you don't value anything, you have nothing to protect. If you have nothing to protect you have nothing worth fighting for. If you have nothing worth fighting for, you're fucking useless in the event of a major conflict.
I try to explain the who why islam is bad thing and he just goes "well, whatever happens will happen". I can't stand that kind of defeatist attitude.
>>74301572
where does the Burmese Buddhists thing come from then?
>>74284516
tl;dr: A bunch of hippies got too high and started jerking each other off
>>74301572
>well, whatever happens will happen
That's true though.
How delusional are you exactly?
>>74266825
>letting go of... wants, desires
This isn't advocated in Buddhism. Desire is perfectly fine, and in many cases particular desires are encouraged (Mahayana Buddhism teaches that one should strive to enlighten all beings.) The misunderstanding here is that Buddhism says you should focus on eliminating all of your cravings (as in addictions,) as craving is considered a form of suffering.
>>74302933
How cucked are you, frog? It's a defeatist attitude.
Buddhism isn't 100% accurate but, of all the major religions, it's about the closest to the Truth of how things work.
The biggest thing to recommend it is that it's not heavily prescriptive like most other religions except in terms of the meditation practice and so forth. But it's not like you have hordes of Buddhists going out and murdering people into joining their religion. It's more of a self-help philosophy in a, "Hey, this stuff works for me, try it if you like." kind of way.
When I was younger, I thought the most cogent way to explain its worldview was the Life is one Big Shit Sandwich and Buddhism teaches you how to remove your taste buds so that you don't care what you're eating one way or the other. That always stuck in my craw because, to me, tasting the things in life you most desire is when you feel most alive. Or when life is tenuous and its continuation was hanging by a thread - extreme sports, driving too fast, trying crazy shit.
The notion of desire as evil has polluted most religions - luck at Islam and women, jeez - but the issue is not desire, it's frustrated desire and the shit we do when we can't get what we want. So most religions mistakenly try to suppress desire since the other completely disregarded approach is to get what you want, all the time. Which, frankly, is far less unnatural or unachievable compared to killing desire in a human being since human beings are Desire Machines.
The problem is that people who are offering these teachings are often doing so from unenlightened perspectives and are only parroting stuff that was mis-interpreted or badly communciated by people who actually knew what they were talking about but may not have had the language or emotional vocabulary to accurately describe it.
Desire, as some other fag noted, is the engine of creation. Anyone who tells you it's not is not a true conoisseur of reality. The Lack of Desire feeling is really a mis-label for a feeling of sufficiency.
>>74304237
>Buddhism isn't 100% accurate but, of all the major religions, it's about the closest to the Truth of how things work.
In order to make that claim, you must know the "Truth".
(Cont.)
Imagine that big, gaping hole you feel inside yourself was filled and you thought to yourself, "You know what? I may be a fag. But I'm a pretty cool fag. And, gosh darn it, people seem to like me." And it was so. You felt whole and... enough. Everything on top of that would be pretty much gravy. Your attitude to most stuff would be "Well, it's not like I need it, but I won't turn it down." Imagine the effect that attitude would have on grills alone. "Check out OP. He isn't trying to bang me like all these other fags. That's different. He must have something they don't. I wonder what it is. And why doesn't he want to bang me!? Am I not hot enough for him?! I'm so going to make him bang me to prove that I'm hot enough for him."
Essentially, you're free. And, when you're free, you get to do what you want. And not do what you don't want to do. Either way, freedom tastes delicious and you're having a ball.
At that point, intervening in things becomes kinda redundant. You're just like, meh, it'll work itself out one way or the other without my getting in the middle of it. And since you're outcome independent, you'll carry on perfectly content even if your wished-for outcome doesn't transpire. Because, shit, you're already whole and complete and it's not going to diminish you in any way.
And this is what Buddhism gets wrong. It's not the desire that's the problem, it's the fear that the desire will not manifest that's the issue and that growing into a feeling of core insufficiency that I cannot be complete and whole unless this thing i desire and am waiting for doesn't come true.
Being truly alive, or "enlightened" if you want is not about existing in some sterile plane of non-feeling. It's largely just feeling awesome all the time.
Also, their conception of Enlightenment as some kind of permanent, stable evolutionary endpoint is mistaken. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here talking to you fags.
>>74304827
There are different levels of Truth. But I've glimpsed enough of it to know that the basic model the Buddhists are teaching - at the Idiot's Guide To Buddhism level, at any rate - does not fully line up with what I've experienced.
"Oh, great! A sample size of 1. Colour me convinced."
Yeah. What can I tell you.
>>74266825
Your thinking is wrong on the subject.
Attachment causes suffering. There's nothing wrong with appreciating, loving, caring, or having a strong will.
But refusing to let go of anything and everything is the root cause of emotional pain, not physical pain.
You can love and admire and enjoy without becoming an addict, right?
Same application. When you're done eating your burger, you don't immediately go out and buy another. You relish the memory and appreciate the next burger, if it happens to come your way or you find yourself with another.
>wants
>desires
>happiness
Nothing wrong with these. But obsessing for any of them leads to suffering in some form.
>>74266825
Maybe try moving past a highschool level understanding of Buddhist ethic.
>>74266825
Transcendental religions all have a similar doctrinal view that this world is not quite real.
This view is not sufficient to preserve the Earth for the future, because it gives license to not care about a lot of things which are required for other beings to exist peacefully, supported by the environment.
Religion always leads to bad things.
