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Holy fuck, why are liberals so fucking entitled?
>"waaah, my girlfriend and I just graduated uni with some bullshit useless degree, I haven't worked a day in my life, the government owes me a house, its my right!!! Why won't you tax the people who have worked harder and longer so that I can have a house!! Waaah its not fair!!"
Fuck I hate these cunts.
>>74244259
>the housing market is the strongest pillar keeping it afloat
wew
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>>74244259
you are either:
>underage who hasn't had the problem of having to move out, or
>chinese
Go fuck yourself and your reddit b8
sage
>>74244737
why should other people be taxed to subsidise you? lazy entitled fuck.
go vote labour you lazy shit.
>>74244737
>screaming reddit because he doesn't have an argument
I wish you'd move out of 4chan.
Kids today think they are entitled to buying a house like in the 50's because they don't understand you have to adapt to the changing times.
Ultimately, the chinese buying houses is good because it encourages construction and expansion of residential areas. But good like trying to tell that to myopic kids.
We live in the greatest time to be alive, and you're having a shitfit because you are forced to deal with the "humiliation" or renting or not living in the centre of the city.
Grow up, kiddo
>>74244975
>tax foreigners higher than citizens
You bet your arse yes. How stupid are you
>>74244259
not even going read the pic, but here's your take, evidently
>representative gov't shouldn't attempt to address problems faced by the electorate
'conservatism' in a nutshell
OP clearly doesn't know how shit things are getting. Look at Vancouver, where foreigners (read: Chinese) are buy all of the houses and instead of renting them out of whatever, they're just sitting on them. Same things happens here in London. Now most people will never actually buy a home and are stuck renting for their entire lives. They've turned the housing business into just another investment sector, and the ones that suffer are the average citizen.
If it were domestic buyers doing this, you could argue it's not so bad, but this is foreigners artificially inflating the prices.
>>74244737
...what
being in a position where moving out is a problem and moaning that you should be given these things by people you don't know are two very different things.
>>74245016
>chinese buying houses is good
kys wangker
>live in the greatest time to be alive
yeah after you old cunts fucked the housing market blowing it up from 3-5x the median salary to 12-15x in ~15years
I shit you not m8, I'm prob in the top 3% of income for people my age and cannot afford any house for less than 50% of my net income as repayment
>shilling for the oriental jew this hard
>>74244259
>>74244975
> How entitled are those citizens to find it unfair that the local population is being thrown away by an influx of foreigners
Just move to /leftpol/ will you?
Isn't Canada's real estate market even more fucked than ours right now?
>expecting le weed man to put his own citizens first
>>74245566
Crash soon brother. The boomers plan on retiring using their speculative pricing that no one can afford. When interest rates increase the bubble will burst.
>>74245502
>>74245353
>trying to turn the argument around with 'muh yellow peril'
Alright sure, let's just throw away our free market ideals and kneecap our nations development so shithead millenials can live in the city right out of uni
whatever m80
glad you're not in charge
>advocating for citizens to have preferential treatment over foreigners
Is this not red pilled?
>>74245016
>oldfag """wisdom"""
>I wish you'd move out of 4chan
>grow up kiddo
Can't tell if pasta
It's impossible to buy a house in this shitty country unless you're a millionaire.
Quick question for invest fags. When the bubble pops, where should I invest my money? Cities and rent rooms or more rural areas? I was too young for our house crash but I'm planning on making good enough dosh on this one.
>>74246006
>2 more years of uni
>will likely go home to Calgary once I graduate
How likely is it that I'll be able to buy a house within 15 years?
>>74246149
>but I'm planning on making good enough dosh on this one.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Just like what they all said last time.
You're going to lose everything you fucking idiot.
>>74246149
>where should I invest my money
gold
Ad hominim, look it up
Lib-fag has a very good point, selling property to foreign investors leaves citizens cucked to landlords overseas
>>74245016
there has never been a time in history where one generation of people sold out future generations anywhere near as hard as the boomers have done to us
we are so fucked
>>74246158
You've got better chances winning the lottery than with honest work.
>>74246356
>there has never been a time in history where one generation of people sold out future generations anywhere near as hard as the boomers have done to us
source on this? sounds like a meme desu
>>74246006
This. Who the fuck is going to buy a shitty crack house for $1mil.
I can't wait to buy some nice, cheap land in the country to live on
>retard cuckservative boomers going "Please sell our country to foreigners because it keeps the value of my house increasing!"
treasonous views
Bet these cucks would never be anti-immigration though, which is most of the reason for these outrageous housing prices
>>74245016
Houses are a place to live, not an "investment" for foreigners & boomers to profit off of
>>74244259
> buying a house with your girlfriend
Oh god this guy is going to be posting on Sluthate in about 3 years time isn't he
>>74246158
the oil industry will be dead in calgary, housing prices are dropping like a rock
>>74246031
I don't even know how to show you how disconnected you are from reality m8.
Of course you'd be for artificially inflated economies, you happened to be the right age when it all happened. Nobody's even asking to live in the city, it's eternally out of reach for my generation. Even places that are 2hours away from work are barely affordable.
Worst part is, it's not even unreasonable to ask to curb the monopoly putting us on permanent rent status that encourages further investing, yet your only reasoning is 'muh entitlements'.
>>74246031
>our free market ideals
lol
>kneecap our nations development
Owned & controlled by foreigners is development?
>>74246586
>muh libertarian free marketism when it benefits me
>much socialism when it benefits me
You guys are fucking hypocrites
>>74246775
>Thinking there is ANYTHING approaching a free market in real estate
Are you some old fucker who bought a house when its cheap and now that its worth lots, you think its good sound policy people need to move 1 hour away from work to afford a home?
>>74246031
Just open your eyes: the wold has changed and it's easier to migrate to rich countries. As a tesult :
> Wealthy foreigners buy the nice parts of the city
> "Welp I guess locals shoudn't expect to live there right out of uni, let's move to the poorer part"
> Notsofast.zip
> Government is housing rapefugees in this part of the town, you can't rent a flat here
> Just leave the city you are born in despite being paid the median salary
> Now only foreigners and late boomers live in here
> A-at...least we respect the ideal of free market. Muh values...amirit guys?
Ho and before you speak out of your ass on this subject again : we have a law in Switzerland since 1983 to limit the influence of the foreigners regarding the real estate market. Last time I checked, we weren't a commie State.
Go lose an another war against the emus, abo.
>>74245291
>but muh globalism!
>>74246841
I don't know how many times I can say this.
FUCKING. RENT. A. HOUSE. YOU. CHEAP. BASTARD.
If you honestly think renting is beneath you or some shit, you deserve to live on the street. Get your lazy entitled unmovitated ass, find a job, work for 10 years, and then you can buy a house.
you don't need one now. Just rent a fucking house.
>>74247087
Rent is just as outrageously UN FREE MARKETEDLY overpriced as well
>I already have my house and everyone else can go to hell
fuck you too
>>74244259
He's right though. Letting foreign investors buy up all the property on the market even though they have zero plans to live there is a pretty bad idea.
>>74247087
yes, be a good goy and pay my mortgage for me, you will surely be able to afford a house in 10years without saving
Hopefully they ban him for racism.
>>74247560
>without saving
Nobody said don't save you fucktard. Maybe think twice on what you spend and don't go out for drinks every weekend and spend 50 dollars on whisky.
Stop being so entitled and thinking people who's parents worked hard ought to subsidise your lifestyle.
I bet you're voting for bill shorten, aren't you?
>>74244259
He's not wrong. I've been to your island OP. The chinks own all your nice property, half of Sydney and most of your industry. The guy you're mocking is right. 100 years, even 50 years ago what he calls for wouldn't have been seen as odd. This kinda highlights how far to the right the paradigm has shifted since the 80s.
>inb4 muh liberals
Identity politics is a stick chucked to the emotive student activist so they can feel they've achieved something while taking their eyes of serious issues.
>>74247718
This said, I do love it when liberals (like Tim from reddit) -who would have been the first to denounce you as racist for calling for 'tariffs on rich chinkies'- get a taste of reality.
>>74244259
gooks are taking over
more at 11.
>>74246775
Political ideologies exist as a framework to overcome issues, not something you blindly follow against one's own detriment.
>>74244259
I don't like Canada so this amuses me but then it happens here as well, just not nearly as large of a scale.
>>74244259
>not wanting to seize foreign assets
almost got me, then I realized you were an Australian..
>>74244259
Fuck foreigners buying up houses that they will never live in, raising the prices for locals. I know it's only legal because they never thought about it and haven't made it illegal yet, but it really isn't good for the locals.
>>74247718
>how far to the right
You mean leftist globalist ideologies
Selling out to foreigners is acceptable in a marxist viewpoint because we're all citizens of the world.
>>74247696
>fugg i worked so hard for my house i bought for 4x my salary! how dare these whiney whippersnappers complain about affordability! just work 25hrs a day!
it's almost like your last name is Chingchang
>>74244259
>husband works full time
>wife works three part time jobs
>still not enough money
That's a shame really. Maybe they should consider moving to a less expensive area.
>>74248166
Sylt, a German island, just recently heavily limited foreigner's (in this case that means everyone not living on Sylt) access to the housing market because they ran into the same problem, with lots of the property being used as holiday home.
I wonder when they'll start doing the same in other areas. Living space is not really a field that should be treated like just another stock market.
>>74248189
I mean right in terms of privitisation and neo-liberalism. This isn't poor chinks that are getting these houses but the super-rich. The same kind of people who lobby for TTIP in the name of free trade. Free trade today is pretty right wing as it means simply the freedom to exploit. Of course leftists are largely internationals. Some would say you're not really a leftists if you're not internationalist. So yes, both the left and mainstream, economic right support globalisation. Though for kinda different reasons. In a purely economic sense though we are objectively way right of where we were in the 80s.
>>74248404
>that should be treated like just another stock market.
If the bank jew makes more money selling it to foreigners than he does selling it to native citizens then he will chose the money each time.
Jews are immoral.
>mfw white landlord hasn't raised my rent in the three years I've rented from him
>>74248416
>neo-liberalism
>right
Privatization is almost always a scam, they sell government assets for pennies on the dollar to their pals
>>74248471
Yeah, I know. And for them it probably doesn't even matter if the country turns to shit because they don't live there anyway.
But it would be the politician's job to step in at that point and limit it, because it is very clearly not in the best interest of the country.
>>74248682
>politicians
>cuckservatives
>best interest of the country at heart
sadly even White politicians are all greedy chucklefucks.
>>74245016
die cuckservative
I'll sell your organs to the Chinese and make a killing and it will good for the local economy
>>74244259
The Free Market should not be applied to everything, and he's correct in that one of those things is the housing market. It's very hard to create supply with land as it is fininite, unlike say fridges or cars for example. Land owners sitting in real estate waiting for its value to go up provides nothing for the country they reside in, and actually shafts their fellow countrymen.
All the edgemasters in this thread saying "why should anyone pay for your house you lazy liberal" etc just don't get it.
Churchill wrote a great essay on this topic, he was against land hoarding and saw it as one of the greatest drains on the quality of life of the populace.
>>74246031
Confirmed for chink
>>74249085
?
There is no free market in housing
The supply is tightly controlled & regulated
>>74245291
Share the addresses of the empty houses
Break in
Squat
>>74249267
The point is, it needs to be regulated it you end up with de facto slavery for people who don't have money. People sitting on real estate (or buying it up) is bad for most people and doesn't provide anything for the state.
There's a reason Lord Sugar (our version of Donald Trump in the Apprentice Tv show) said you make money on real estate and do business for fun: it's an absolute steal and is a way to keep poor people in poverty for no reason other than they didn't have money to start with.
Housing is not a luxury but a right, anyone who says otherwise is a severe edge lord.
>>74249522
Would Trudeau give me some NEETbux too?
>>74249640
Only if you're a shitskin. Otherwise you're out of luck.
>>74249530
I wouldn't exactly call it a right, since that just leads to shit where everyone thinks existing entitles them to owning property again.
But it is definitely something that should not be speculated with. Food and a space to live are things that are mandatory and everyone who actually puts effort into it should be able to acquire it.
>>74244259
>let foreigners 'buy' property
>let them pay taxes on land they won't even see because they live in china or whatever
>make them hire home maintenance personnel
>all that foreign dosh flooding the country goes to citizens + government
>when push comes to shove, the government can just seize all that land since no one is using it
OP needs to be quiet and stop trying to ruin the plan
>>74244259
Funny how that no borders, one world mentality immediately stops existing when it arrives in their back yard, huh?
Leftists shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>>74245016
was on board until that horrific spelling of center
>>74249883
The problem with land is that it's
a) Finite,
b) in high demand,
c) neccessary to survive.
You cannot apply free market economics to something like this, the government has to intervene, or you end up with de facto slavery.
>>74250113
>You cannot apply free market economics to something like this
why not?
> the government has to intervene
why?
>or you end up with de facto slavery.
how so?
>>74249891
>"No, see, if you live a shitty life and have to waste most of your income on exorbitant rent for the next 30 years it will totally pay off in the end!"
It's a pretty shitty plan for the average citizen.
>>74244259
>be government
>making shitty housing and zoning regulations that make it very hard to make more housing
>let a bunch of chinese come over and get tax benefits for buying houses, allowing them to nationalize and get benefits, to the point the allege millionares investing in said houses are now close to a quarter of the poor of the country, with many more being still in the welfare bands
>this is good policy
Keep electing those fuckers, leaf. They clearly care about you.
>>74250155
>>You cannot apply free market economics to something like this
>why not?
It's as if you bought up all the food in a country that for some magical reason cannot import food and then raised the price by 2000% because you know they cannot refuse.
They'll just burn everything to the ground and kill you in the end.
>>74250156
>"No, see, if you live a shitty life and have to waste most of your income on exorbitant mortgage for the next 30 years it will totally pay off in the end!"
Home ownership is a meme
>>74250229
>They'll just burn everything to the ground and kill you in the end.
that's not necessarily a bad course of events and is an acceptable part of the free market system.
>>74250113
>You cannot apply free market economics to something like this
actually, yes you can. stop taxing canadians their whole life and don't use loonies and toonies use gold or bitcoin.
the chinks do not pay canada taxes their whole life and their currency is manipulated same as canada so the lower classes just get swept in the undertow
>or you end up with de facto slavery.
oh you could that irony with a fucking knife
>>74250338
>willingly pushing a country into anarchy just so that foreign investors can make a few shekels is totally acceptable
Are you baiting or retarded?
Why the fuck can't they save up a downpayment and have a house built on an empty lot? It isn't much more complicated than buying an existing house, and you only suffer from the speculators if you buy a plot without shopping around.
>>74250155
People *need* housing to live. The free market does not apply to housing like it would with say fridges and cars: in a free market for those things, foreign competition drives down the price of products and improves the lives of the citizens by driving down the cost of living and increasing the standard of living.
With housing, being finite and absolutely neccessary for a person to survive, the free market leads to obscene exploitation of people unable to get on the ladder and is detrimental to the citizens of a country, as we are seeing with Canada.
I know it's nice to want to have a one-size fits all philosophy for the world, such as the Free Market or libertarianism, but the real world is incredibly conplicated and there are going to be many exceptions and quirks. Housing is one of them. I recommend Churchills essay on the matter.
>>74250338
>that's not necessarily a bad course of events and is an acceptable part of the free market system.
Abandon thread
>>74250229
>for some magical reason cannot import food
yeah thats the free market alright. magical hypotheticals dreamed up by bootlickers
>>74244259
>All those checks and balances to "prove" they're not racist
What a faggot.
>>74250470
>The free market does not apply to housing like it would with say fridges and cars
why not? you need fridges and cars too
>>74250419
>>74250475
it's almost like the free market disincentivizes being a greedy jew
it's your shitty government letting this happen, not 'muh free market lmao feel the bern'
>>74250653
I explained in my post why not.
>>74250676
nah you made a bunch of baseless assertions
>Spent his life """contributing"""
>Can't even buy a house
These people are fucking failures.
>>74244259
>mfw canada is becoming a chinese satellite state
>>74250788
How are they baseless?
>>74244259
Its the same as the youth here, bitching and moaning over housing prices yet will
>Do europe trips that cost ~10k
>pay for music festival tickets
>buy the latest apple phone
>buy designer hipster clothes
>spend $100s on the weekend partying
>going regularly to bali as an "exotic getaway"
"A fool and his money will part quickly"
Meanwhile im 21 and ive got a deposit for my first investment property. In 2 months i should be ready enough to buy.
I did this by not being a retard and blowing my money
>>74250489
You can't import houses.
>>74245291
Fuck london. Fuck Vancouver. Move somewhere these chinks aren't buying and you won't have to worry about prices being artificially inflated. Let these slants piss away all of their money on houses here\there, its a win win for the host country. Everyone can't live in popular city centers, go elsewhere and you might be better off. Those of you who living socialist countries are lucky to even be alive much less able to buy a house. If i were dicktaster-in-chief of your shit countries you'd be lined up and shot for sedition.
>>74246775
>>74246031
It's not remotely close to libertarianism.
>>74250442
Existing properties influence new construction prices. If the 2 were not correlated then existing properties would never get this insane.
>>74244259
OP, the redditor is seeing the limits of globalization and internationalism. I've had libertarian views for a long time but understood that taxation and social cohesion must exist alongside freedom. I suppose it's called "traditional capitalism". Without society, neo-libertarian ideals cannot exist, it will simply implode. The issue that many westerners haven't had to confront in over 100 years is survival, the thing that created nations and society in the first place. Our instincts have been dulled but are reawakening because of threats to our survival and prosperity.
The redditor is pointing out that he followed "the plan" society gave him for success and now he's being shunned by that same society. Not only is he not being helped by his nation, he's actually being worked AGAINST by his homeland. Canada along with many other anglo countries have "investor citizenship plans" that allow a person to get citizenship simply by "investing" a certain amount of money into a country. Of course that money can come from anywhere whether it's money laundering, legitimate business or loans, but the main goal is citizenship. Canada's government has created an incentive to BID UP REAL ESTATE to the detriment of natives who've created the society in the first place. You can see how this is fucked up, right? This is not a case of libertarianism. If it were, citizenship wouldn't be given upon purchase nor would chinese buyers be getting loans through shady banks with no collateral at 1% interest rates.
>>74251159
This. I started working at 14 at a business owned by a friend of my dad's, jumped ship at 18, left and used that reference to get a better job.
Left and got an even better one, saved like fuck and ate on the cheap for a few years, and now I own my own house.
It's not that fucking hard if you have any sense around you.
t. 22 year old.
>>74244259
BTFO by Chinks who don't give two fucks
>>74245016
>Ultimately, the chinese buying houses is good because it encourages construction and expansion of residential areas
Right.. That's why most of Sydney are up in arms about rising house prices. It'll settle itself out eventually, but the prices are annoying as fuck for most of us.
>>74251504
At the expense of sitting in your own basement, not socializing
>>74251159
>>74251504
Congratulations on buying at the peak of the market chaps, hope you enjoy your stagnate "investment" while your slaving away paying it off for the next 20 years. Better hope the market doesn't crash either lol.
>>74251504
>>74251159
>look guys I did it by sacrificing everything, therefore the current housing situation is not a problem
>>74251816
>socialization
>impossible when actually working for what I want
I don't turn into a complete barbarian and begin flinging shit when I'm alone for more than 5 minutes, americunt.
It's entirely possible to make friends and keep them without getting blasted at a club every Friday.
>>74251873
>investment
It's not an investment. I bought it for myself to live in, and it's completely paid off. I have no intentions to sell or rent it.
>>74244259
>lifetime Canadian nationals should get privileges!
That's nationalism and discrimination. Leave the free market alone, please.
>>74251933
>sacrificing everything
Eating cheap and not blowing my money on every new gadget is sacrificing everything? The fuck have you been smoking?
>>74251961
The housing crisis is real.
I also understand you managed to do it anyway, with some real sacrifices to your social life and youth, and general experiences.
Doesn't change the former.
>>74251961
How much did you pay for your house?
>>74251935
>It's not an investment. I bought it for myself to live in, and it's completely paid off. I have no intentions to sell or rent it.
Good for you old sport.
Hosing prices are actually an easy fix desu senpai
>only allow foreign investment for new developments
>only allow negative gearing for new developments
>invest in better infrastructure connecting regional cities to capital cities
>give businesses incentives to re-locate away from Melbourne and Sydney
>increase taxes on vacant property and investors sitting on vacant land that could be used for development
BOOM problem solved niggers, what's next?
>>74244259
You're right OP, it's Chinas right to buy out our entire countries
>>74252188
Oh one more thing:
>encourage old fucking boomers to re-locate to the country instead of taking up valuable space in the city
>>74244259
A decent house costs atleast $650,000 now thanks to the Chinese.
>>74246442
Just look at the debt of western nations.
>>74252092
>social life
I have a social life mate. I drink with friends, go out with friends, and I have many hobbies that I enjoy. Working and being smart with my money doesn't mean I'm giving up a social life.
>youth
If being an immature little cunt and not planning for the future is "youth", yes I wasted my youth.
>general experiences.
What, because I'm not dumping 15k to go to the US I'm missing out?
The fact that you see having over the top "experiences" which really involve just throwing your money into a fire as beneficial shows what is wrong with this world.
>>74252130
$380,000 out in the bush, 2 bedroom 1 garage 1 bath, 900 square meters.
>>74252449
I never claimed to be interested in this ridiculous straw man of excessive travelling and gadgetry.
The bottom line is we have a housing crisis, getting a mortgage is effectively slavery (at least over here), and something needs to change.
I have no sympathy for the leaf in pic. Probably is totally left-leaning and then gets pissed off when the consequences of being cucked comes knocking. Deal with the shitty hole you put yourself in.
>>74246149
Where white people will continue to live.
>>74252551
Yes, something does need to change I agree. This ridiculous inflation of housing prices shouldn't be. BUT, the point I was making still stands. If you whine you're never going to actually get anything. If you work you will.
>>74252551
You could start by removing the government's dick from your ass and stop telling you how, where, and when you can build more housing.
>>74248586
Neo-liberalism is pretty explicitly right senpai. It was brought into being by Thatcher and Reagan but based directly on the ideas of Hayek and Friedman. At least in the UK the experiment was pushed further than thatcher dared dream by both NuLabour and the tories.
>>74252644
what do you do ?
>>74244259
Fuck you Chinee
>>74252859
>Nulabour and the Tories are pushing the far-right experiment even further
>Both endorse uncontrolled immigration, gay marriage, a monolithic national health service and an extensive welfare system
>>74244259
I just ignore liberal whiners at this point. You can safely bet that almost all of them are butthurt because they can't find a high-paying job. It's their fault for majoring in underwater basket weaving. They could have majored in anything, but they chose the most unemployable major. It's like this chick I used to work with who was going to grad school for fucking library sciences.
>If we don't let foreign investors by up all the land in our country the socialists win
Fuck all these faggot 'libertarians'.Fuck this whole political spectrum.You are allowed to have any political opinion you want as long as you aren't anti-globalist because that's the only one that matters.
>>74244259
Justin Trudeau's Facebook page is hilarious. His post about LGBT has a long line of liberals bleating about racism, open borders, tolerance, bigots, Trump, yet 99% of the angry emotes under the picture are from mudslimes and Latinos. I wish liberals would all fuck off to Somalia but god they make me laugh sometimes.
>>74244975
You get it, I miss Tony every day man.
>>74248263
>Maybe they should consider moving to a less expensive area
Sure, they can live in a fucking cornfield two hours away from their place of work.
Choke on a dick, you min/maxing neocon faggot.
>>74254245
Take an urban economics course you fuckwit. Living near the CBD will always be expensive.
>>74253506
I'm talking in terms of economics. You're thinking of nationalism as the cornerstone of the right. It's not. Today's leaders are following the theory from the 50s and 60s that arose in response to new deal. This theory calls for rolling back the state as much as possible, mass privatization and absolute subservience to market forces.
>>74254245
>waah i want to have a house in the middle of the city while also having an amazing job waaah
If you want cheap housing, move away from the city. Your wage will change, but so will your cost of living. Most of the time you'll save money.
Wow, it's almost as if.... Immigration and globalism hurt the native citizen
>>74245291
You move elsewhere, dumbass.
I live in the country. I own a lot of land and a decent house and it didn't cost me much. I don't need "muh culture xD" of the "city"
>>74251504
>I started saving when I was 14
Thanks for the advice Goldstein
the fucking gooks buying out the houses here and skyrocketing the price of a house are a fucking problem.
>>74254589
Well yeah. Why wouldn't you?
Maybe I was lucky because I had decent role-models growing up, but fuck it's not that hard to understand. Your money isn't going to go into some fuck's greedy rubbing hands unless you make it.
>>74254523
citizens shouldn`t have to be forced out of big cities because of foreign investors
>>74245291
This. I hate chink investors. Buy $500k house for Xin Chang for a mil.
this is all agitating China as their monies are flowing out of the cunt. All its gonna take is for them to hang one guy and watch all the chunks flee back like rats from a sinking ship.
>>74254438
You dumb nigger, you act as though you can just snap your fingers, relocate somewhere, and just instantaneously get hobs and immediately pick up where you left off
Sure it costs nothing to live in Cornfield, Nebraska; but there's also nothing to do there except work at gas stations and Applebys.
>>74254858
What shouldn't be and what is are two completely different things.
I shouldn't have to work for this long. I should be compensated in the form of a basic income with the option to work if I see fit. Sadly it's not that way and most likely won't be for another few decades.
>>74247087
I currently live in Melbourne and I own 13 houses, the difference is I have a fixed rent (Even though the real estate agents are pissed over it) I only charge $225/week for each property I have (12 are rented and I live in the 13th)
I still get people bitching about it even though the average rent is $450/week or higher, these houses are not even in shit tier suburbs, they are located around Glen Iris/St Kilda's beach/Hawthorne.
I honestly don't know what more you can do, I mean perhaps I should just go full money mode and raise the rents up to the average of these areas.
>>74254915
Except that not tackling the issue is retarded. The proposed solution of taxing foreign investors is good and in the interest of natives
>>74244737
This should have been fpbp but that other stupid cunt before him ruined it.
>>74254901
>Digging yourself in that badly
Let me spell it out for you just in case you're not clear:
You should NEVER fucking tie yourself into a situation you're not happy living in until retirement.
Do not buy a house in an area you don't want to live in until you're 80. Do not get an extremely high paying job that you can't leave unless you want to stay doing that job until retirement.
Don't enter a relationship with someone unless you want to stay in that relationship until you're fucking 90. Is that hard to understand?
If you're such a fuckwit you can't see the range of possibilities awaiting you outside of a fucking cubicle, you should keep paying Mr Goldstein & Silverberg their weekly reparations for the 6 gorrilion.
The only person to blame in this situation is yourself. Don't go blaming others you dumb cunt.
>>74255047
>not tackling the issue
The issue will take fucking decades at this rate to solve. I sincerely recommend anyone here considering buying a house to either get it over and done with, or just abstain from it indefinitely.
>>74244737
If you are dumb enough not to understand that free markets are more efficient and will provide more people with better housing at a lower cost, then you literally have no reason to exist. Fucking kill yourself right now.
>>74255127
It doesn't matter how long, the government should do it
>>74246612
Well once they get the house and get married she'll break up with him and it'll become her house and he'll kill himself which I don't think would be that big of a loss.
>>74255247
>T-the market will sove it
the foreign demand is too high because housing in now an investment asset. And it disadvantages the local population in favour of chinese usually.
>>74244259
He's not wrong that government should be preferential to citizens in their country being home owners. In the u.s. we offer tax breaks on interest paid for home ownership for that reason.
What mr.libcuck should be pissed at should be selfish cunts who fight tooth and nail to make their homes "investment properties " hoping that when they're ready to retire the house will be magically 80% more valuable than when they first bought it. They should be mad at governments which conspire with construction companies to raise prices by dolling out construction contracts or having shitty regulations that justify them raising the costs.
They should be mad at the idea both a woman and a man together as a couple should be working to pay the bills, avoiding their children. That we've regressed as a society to that point is worse. It's double the competition for labor which keeps wages depressed. For literally no reason than a society which sets men and women against each other all to line the pockets of employers who like paying their workers less.
But they're still entitled bitches, because they can't see any of that and just blame 'capitalism ' and 'the patriarchy '.
>>74255550
I ask you this, was it wrong of me to bust my arse out in the mines for 25 years and spend the majority of my wages both paying off houses to use as investments (Which I have stated earlier I only charge for $225/week when the average is $450/week) so I can both retire earlier and have my own property.
>>74244259
This is an effect of globalist capitalism
Nationalism is the way the will of the people gets served rather than the will of the international clique of elitists aka jews (and their puppets/useful idiots/allies)
You are not entitled to a house. The very notion that every person/couple NEEDS their own house is entitlement. In the past we've mainly had multigenerational houses, or a poor underclass that was the majority of the population which had to rent, roomshare, or do maidwork for housing. Look at Sherlock Holmes. He had a housemate and they both rented. No one in the novels commented that it was strange...because it has always been quite normal. This modern idea that you are entitled to your own house is ridiculous. A house takes, in real cost like time, labor, land, and materials, a lot of effort and money, and that shouldn't be something you can afford working as a social worker for 25k/year. The only way someone like that, in a clear and true economy where housing prices aren't subsidized (mortgage deductions and first time homebuyer benefits), would be if one of the other constituents of home price were underpaid, such as paying construction and repairmen less than the value of their labor, or the government not properly taxing the value of the real estate. It doesn't work.
The majority of the population, in a pure and free economy without government intervention, simply do not contribute enough to society to earn what it takes to maintain a separate, independent house and property. For the same reason we all can't live in mansions.
>>74247560
>ausfailian
/biz/ here. In some situations, such as a housing bubble, renting is more financially sensible than buying. After the bubble pops, sure, then buying might be the better deal. But anyone buying a house on the up, well, why would you buy high? Are you retarded? For people who move frequently or want to have a shorter commute, renting is also the better deal. Depending on local property taxes, maintenance costs, home insurance, closing costs, and other factors, that may make renting more viable as well. It isn't a case of always buy or always rent.
>>74255806
I'm a free market type so you're not wrong, but you're still a selfish cunt. Why didn't you put that money in the stock market and directly invest your money back into the economy to grow it?
Consider the word investment. What were you investing in when you kept pumping money into your house and supported policies that would raise it's price? You were investing in just yourself. Stocks go into companies which make things, which give jobs and make life better. You could have invested in a company in your community that made more houses instead of just the one that already existed.
So on one hand you have a style of investment which improves your country. And another which makes a 20 something young kid struggle to get a mortgage to make a family in. Cunt.
>>74256022
The very notion that only an elite should dream of ownership is very communist of you. You consider yourself one of the philosopher kings.
>The majority of the population, in a pure and free economy without government intervention, simply do not contribute enough to society to earn what it takes to maintain a separate, independent house and property. For the same reason we all can't live in mansions.
Jesus fuck mate this majority of plebs and thier consumerism is why you are one of the possessing class.
Just look at the figures for ownership, real wages, savings. Now contrast that with those at the top. You don't see an issue here?
>>74255491
Are you really this fucking retarded? The chinese buy the housing because they believe it is undervalued. The more they buy, the more incentive there will be to produce more housing. If in the future it turns out the chinese were right, then you will not have a major shortage in housing, and the prices will be lower than they otherwise would have been. If it turns out the chinese were wrong, they just lost shit tons of money, and you now have a surplus in housing. Don't you learn this in school in Brazil? This is basic economics.
>>74256084
That is the thing, I do invest money back into the houses, the people who rent them do not have to pay the council rates (Which I could force onto them) nor do they have to pay water on the property either. I ensure the houses are up to scratch and painted every third year as well as hiring workers to go around once a week to mow the lawns and keep the gardens neat and tidy.
I ensure that any issues that arise are fixed at the earliest possible time even if it costs extra, all these things I do to ensure the tenants in my property are happy and also puts money into various businesses who maintains said properties.
I even give 2 weeks free rent to each of my tenants who have been in my houses for 3+ years every year.
I make enough money to ensure I am comfortable and can pay for anything in case something goes wrong (Well actually I am prepared in case I have to do massive repairs on all my properties at once) and as I said I charge around half price of the average price of the properties that are around me.
>>74256311
>very communist
>defending the free market and power/wealth distance
>communist
Left is right and blue is orange.
>You don't see an issue here?
Some people are worth more than others. Most people are nearly worthless. Why should everyone deserve a house? You wouldn't say everyone deserves a six figure income or everyone deserves a luxury sportscar.
>>74256353
They're buying them as investments. The reason they do so in the west is because in the west the state exists and one of its roles is to protect property rights, for a fee. African property is much cheaper and may well grow in value multiple times over the next few decades. But its not much use if it will be looted and squatted as soon as you leave.
>>74244259
I understand the anger of having to work harder for the same shit your parents and grandparents had, because they squandered 50 years of economic growth, but damn this is some hardcore entitlement.
>>74256554
Take a closer look at what I said. The end result of what you're proposing is the end of private property for 99.9% of the people. So instead of the infallible state and its bureaucrats owning you birth to death, it's some grubby merchant.
>>74256554
>Most people are nearly worthless
Pretty edgy lad. Where does your system not end if not a two tier world with just about everything ending up in the hands of an elite? The only difference between this and idealised glorious full communism is that your system maintains the illusion of social mobility. Though you attitude to the plebs sums up nicely how you feel about em and reflects their true chance of mobility.
>>74256554
>Elitist
You're on the forum bud
>>74257821
wrong* forum. This is a nationalist board
>>74244259
It's nice to know that it's not just /pol/ that has to endure awful canadian man-babies shitposting every second of every day.
>>74257764
>for 99.9%
More like for 60% but keep trying to exaggerate in an effort to disprove me. Don't you have a bull to prep?
>Pretty edgy lad.
It's not edgy, I'm speaking in economic terms of value. Most people don't contribute much or anything of value to society, and this has ALWAYS been true. Majority of people can barely provide for themselves and their family, and with the way they mismanage funds they happen into that's for the best because they don't have what it takes to manage any level of wealth.
> just about everything ending up in the hands of an elite
White collar or skilled blue collar, rather. A skilled car mechanic could own a home. A shitty one could not. A mid manager could. A secretary should not. Unless you call above average to be elite.
>The only difference between this and idealised glorious full communism is that your system maintains the illusion of social mobility.
>communism
>everyone has equal share of assets
>me
>advocate wealth gap
>"same"
m8, you can't just call anything you don't like communism.
>chance of mobility
In a meritocracy as I advocate this is 100%. Someone smart and hardworking can rise to the top even with a low class birth. Not everyone who was born poor deserves to surpass that, though. Majority (60%-75% before you try to misquote me again) deserve to stay poor because they can never contribute anything valuable to society.
>>74245016
>Implying you old cunts didn't use Negative Gearing to fuck younger people
>"Grow up and change with the times, kiddo"
Wow, rich coming from the group of people that started countless conflicts, fucked up the economy to the point where people are living with their parents until they're close to 30.
Face it, Grandpa, you and the rest of you cunts rode off the backs of your parents fighting a World War so you could have a better life, and then got so audacious so as to screw over another group of people.
>inb4 mad
Boy oh boy am I. The housing market in this country is fucked, by the time I finish uni, I might have enough saved up to put a deposit down on a fucking cardboard box, so as long as the boomers haven't cashed in on that market by then.
>>74258376
Kek. You're completely oblivious. What was that recent one, 60 people have more wealth than the poorest 3.5bn? And this disparity is growing year on year.
>Majority of people can barely provide for themselves and their family
So the hell with the west, just sell it all off to the highest bidder?
>m8, you can't just call anything you don't like communism.
The difference isn't all that great for the 99% who'll live as the eternal renters. You could just about claim you've achieved a truly equitable society, as long as the elite can present themselves as necessary.
>In a meritocracy as I advocate this is 100%.
A hard meritocracy is hard to gauge given the differences upbringing can make.
You keep glossing over the fact that the middle class is shrinking and the odds of upwards mobility falling as the elite close ranks and realsie they are full.
>before you try to misquote me again
I'm not talking today. I am talking the direction we are heading. This is undeniable, that more and more is landing in the hands of fewer and fewer. Following your ideology (which we almost are in the west today) will only accelerate this. Hell the Saudi oil company they reckon is worth between 2 and 20 tn dollars, and they've started selling shares. How can any regular person compete with this wealth? And in what way is it reflective of a meritocracy?
>>74246704
>Owned & controlled by foreigners is development?
exactly this. this traitorous fuck needs to be roped to a tree.
>>74249739
White guy here
I get 300$/mo from Trudeau for having a kid. I pay about the same in income taxes so it ends up being a wash.
>>74244259
Yes goyim, let the Chinese buy up more real estate in your country. They deserve it, they worked hard
Wouldn't want to tax them either because of muh freedumb.
>>74244259
Hahaha you fags voted in Justine Fagdeau who is more concerned about giving mentally fucked transniggers bathroom rights while all the chinks fuck your land
>>74250788
>>74250653
Are you retarded? His post was perfect. You cannot apply a free market structure to the finite supply of housing in a nation as foreign investment does not drive prices down like it would with goods such as fridges and cars. Rather, it inflates them by squeezing what is already a finite supply with an ever growing demand in order to increase price and later sell the homes the foreign investors bought at no benefit to the host country.
But I bet being fucked in the ass by the Chinese is fine with you so long as it's done under the guise of your "free market" ideals
>>74244259
I don't understand the purpose of this thread. Are you trying to make people turn on their anti-immigration views out of blind hatred for liberals?
This is some bizarre shitposting
>>74251393
>Fuck london. Fuck Vancouver. Move somewhere these chinks aren't buying and you won't have to worry about prices being artificially inflated
>move somewhere there aren't any jobs
Clearly our country will be saved once every white person lives on the dole and muslims control the means of production
>>74246158
Both of mys siblings own houses, but that's in Plymouth and they got thirty grand each off our parents for the down payments.
You're fucked if you're from a working class background.
>have an engineering degree
>have a 200 sqm house because i choose to live outside the city
>have a car
>friends living in the city bitch about 1500 euro rent a month for 90 sqm and don't own a car
Or, you know, don't live in the city, I guess? =^)
China wants nations to deincentivize Chinese real estate speculation anyway...honestly just let them waste their money.
>in australia real estate groups just buy up entire blocks of housing and sell them off one by one for 30% higher than normal
>this is somehow acceptable
