I love whites, and I agree with identity.
But this guy wants some utopian communist Euro super-state.
Commies can die, keep alt-right on the right.
Praise Jesus
>>74148580
Feeling asspain that cuckservatives are considered moderate liberal sellouts now?
Amen & God Bless
>>74148902
No, I don't like them.
Doesn't mean every conservative ideal is wrong.
the "great thinkers" on the left are certainly no better than cuckservatives.
Richard "Pinko" Spencer wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater
>>74148580
No, he wants it to be collectivist in mindset, rather than the pathological individualism that forced on us by the Jewish Frankfurt School. Whites are very likely biologically inclined towards pathological altruism. We need to be protected from own worst instincts to treat others as equal or to blindly let them into our tribe. Something like the Hierarchy-based societies and communalism that defined much of European history. Even Soviet Russia, once it purged all the Jews, largely became an ethno-nationalist state.
Laissez faire Capitalism has become a huge problem. The globalists want us robbed of our identity, so they import more third-worlders and get us to buy more of their shit that we don't need. If Capitalism isn't helping society, then it should be abolished.
The race-realist rightwing wants to define itself by basically accepting all racially concious whites, regardless of their political thoughts.
These people normally turn to communism because of the potential community spirit it fosters, and I think they may have a point.
>>74149148
another muh opinion muh fee-fees thread
post a link or a quote so we have some minimal idea what the fuck you're even talking about.
>>74148580
That's ok. Greg Johnson has vetoed his dream.
>>74149462
I disagree.
Laissez faire capitalism hasn't been around for the last 50 years.
The enterpernurial spirit of the white man has done more good for society than anything else.
How many medical or pharmaceutical breakthroughs have the socialized healthcare societies in Europe produced?
>>74149462
>pathological individualism that forced on us by the Jewish Frankfurt School
What the shit? The Frankfurt School, do you mean the Marxists? Individualist-Marxism; okay, buddy!
>>74149589
https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/731758856632590336
Read the conversations he has here
>>74149462
Where did the frankfurt school talk about individualism at all?
Individualism =/= no morality
>>74148580
Here's the .mp3 directly: https://rdice.net/a/a/r/16/RIR-160127-altright-roundtable.mp3
and the overall red ice page:
https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/john-morgan-greg-johnson-daniel-friberg-richard-spencer-and-ramzpaul
I belieeeeeeve their little tiff comes around the 50 minute mark, but I'm probably wrong. Anyway, it's two of the most visible alt-righters discussing this. The Europeans hated the idea btw. In his defense though, Richard Spencer was just looking for some larger identity, not a new EU. He thinks it'll be induced by being invaded by muslims. Anyway, enjoy.
>>74149694
I agree to a certain point. But hardcore supporters of Laissez faire capitalism also tend to support free trade and open borders, be they lolbertarians or cuckservatives. National Socialism that Spencer wants and Hitler had simply makes sure that private ownership of business helps society first and foremost, as it has a tendency to purse its own interests. Something like Japan has with its good old boy system of government officials and zaibatsu's would be ideal.
>>74149462
No, he just wants some European white solidarity and identity - nothing commie, nothing that erases national identity. It's hard to tell what he has in mind, but there's an .mp3 linked in a reply to OP in which he lays it out, if you're prepared to skim around or listen to a whole hour. There's some alt-right leadership clashing as a bonus :)
>>74149901
Thanks anon.
I appreciate Spencer as a thinker and what he's done with creating the alt-right.
I totally do not support what he wants though. USSR was white, that didn't make it great. He totally gave up on freedom because it's an esoteric value and not a more raw emotional one.
He's wrong. Freedom really is what made America great. biggest threat I see from minorities is they are taking freedom and drive away from whites.
>>74149989
Yeah, you're right. I'm not full-on ancap, and I'm not some libertarian autist. But I'm definitely a lot more conservative and free-market
>>74149765
>>74149853
The Frankfurt School found with the "Authoritarian Personality" that the best way to eliminate the source of "fascism" and anti-semetism in society was to encourage extreme individualism (i.e. progressivism) in society. Progressvies and their ilk reject traditional social norms and institutions, like religion and family. Despite their collectivist nature, libshits believe that the individual, and their feelings, matter more than society. This in turn leads to all social institutions that hold a society afloat to break down.
Racial thinking is inherently collectivist
Individualism is a jewish ideology, as they can never be part of a white collective
>>74148580
Yeah I think he's wrong here.
Spencer wants a pan-white hegemony in Europe, but it's too abstract an idea. Cultural hegemonies are possible (as shown by US) because they're based on memes.
>>74150137
> Freedom really is what made America great. biggest threat I see from minorities is they are taking freedom and drive away from whites.
That is a really good point.
>>74150353
So, in other words, hedonism.
Not individual liberties.
>>74150523
Good point. But that's kind of how MacDonald phrases it as I recall.
Hedonism is kind of the ultimate form of individualism in a way. All you care about is your own pleasures and could care less about societies needs.
You because there is SO much cultural difference between Britain and France? Name me some things that French people do that are so wildly different from what British, Italian, Finnish people do.
I don't think all Europeans should mix together, but keep in mind that Jews are strong because they are UNITED. If we had one European movement working towards the end goal of what is good for Europeans we would be unstoppable.
>>74150701
Yeah.
Ok I'm glad I made this thread.
I feel like we've come to a bit of an understanding.
If alt-right goes mainstream we're going to have to really address schisms like this.
This thread gives me hope though
>>74150137
>freedom is what made america great
ron paul pls go
america was great because of:
A: A white population
B: protectionism and government subsidies to the railroad. also the fact that europe was made into rubble in two world wars so they couldnt catch up. Germany is already much more efficient of an economy than America is or ever was.
>>74149785
Dude's not even European, lmao
>>74150794
Not saying we shouldn't work together. Just that we can have sovereign states working together.
>>74150897
America was a larger economic powerhouse and center of innovation than anywhere else in Europe.
Prosperity of Europe also rose out of capitalism.
Yes of course it was due to a white population, but a white population that was free to innovate and grow!
>>74150842
I agree to a large extent that individual freedom is very important. Our ancestors fought like dogs to get it for us. I think the danger is applying that to others who are not of our tribe and thus either reject it, misused it, or are incapable of understanding it.
What Spencer wants reminds of the early Zionist kabbutzim ironically enough. They were these racial-based socialist communes in the desert. Eventually the Israeli's gave it all up because, as much as people have ethnic interests, they also have economic interests as well. Your average Israeli nowadays likes having Ipods and cars, and not having to share a bathroom with 30 people.
>>74151036
prosperity in the 19th and 20th century was 99% primary due to the combustion engine which was invented in Europe. entrepreneurs did play a big roll in developing and organizing the economy I agree but they were not totally free to do what ever they want like both libertarians and anti-capitalists pretend. the government subsidized many of the important developments that were made like the railroad.
germany and britain in the 1800s were economies on the scale of america. it was the world wars that lifted america into a first place. it has since fallen in efficiency to other economies. we have a much lower standard of living than many European countries.
>>74151281
Couldn't have said it better myself
>>74148580
There were leftie zionist and market fetishist zionist and zionist in every couleur, but they fought for their little jewish ethnostate and got it. Europeans don't have that, so I think ideologies should be secondary when it comes to ethnic self interest.
>>74151769
ok ok, secondary I can live with (maybe)
But they can't be discounted altogether
Richard (((Spencer))) = ANGLO BLOOD
>>74148580
You can approximate a to each according to his needs arrangement within a family unit or where many genes are shared. Going outward from there it works less well.
>>74148580
I jewgled this dude and I guess I agree with most of what he says. I'm beggining to think capitalist democracy is failing whites. It worked for a while but it's too easy for our enemies to manipulate us using it.
>>74148580
>Richard Spencer
Yeah this autist who has a faggot friend (Jack Donovan), believes in pan-Europeanism and is scared to name the Jew. Into the trash.
>>74148580
European superstate is not a bad idea, however it should not be communist. Communism can only work in post-scarcity society. Which will never ever exist.
Yeah he really needs to knock his shit off. He's been tweeting against Brexit not because UKIP are cucked civic nationalists but because he doesn't recognize it as the best way forward for global nationalism. The guys on Manifest Destiny over on TRS radio brought his leftism up recently and it's true and really pisses me off. I'm not opposed to some Swedenesque social welfare for whites in a future ethnostate, but fascism is the only way forward and out of late-capitalist consumerist hell. He's essentially just cucking to try to convince people which has been completely proven to absolutely not work, pic related.
>>74149462
>he wants it to be collectivist in mindset, rather than the pathological individualism that forced on us by the Jewish Frankfurt School
You know the truth Ameribro - don't let the Jewish capitalist puppets break you down.
>>74153789
Nice try, you commie queer, but it isn't capitalist democracy that's failing whites its communism subverting the system and bleeding it dry with special money throwing programs for all them special snowflakes.
Slit your wrists vertically. Now.
OP, which part of "national socialism" don't you understand?
Spencer simply doesn't believe that individual freedom is the absolute most important value a group should define itself with. But he has admitted on a podcast with Cantwell that on a technical level he thinks capitalism is superior to socalism. That being said, late capitalism (open borders, free trade, corporatism) are enemies of the Identitarian society. He's somewhere between Carl Schmitt and Nietzsche, he's in favor of a realistic, sovereign, organic and racially aware white society.
These theoretical discussions are only worth having in the boundaries of a white ingroup, because we can admit which system is better and go from there. But in a multiracial democracy, the worst of every system will always prevail. He's not a lefty, he's just an American who has discovered Euro-Nationalism. He deserves recognition.
>>74156395
>t it isn't capitalist democracy that's failing white
Being this retarded [current year]
>>74156395
>subverting the system is the problem
That's because democracy is easy to subvert. What do you expect when you let anybody(niggers,women,etc) vote for crooked politicians? Who in turn dole out welfare for the useless. It is an inherently weak system.
>slit your wrist vertically, now.
Are you posting from the computer lab in your middle school?
>>74149989
Open borders are only threatening because of the welfare state. The prospect they offer right now, for first world social support whether you work or not, is insanely attractive and throwing normal immigration dynamics out of whack.
Without welfare, it's not as good of a trade-off. Yeah, maybe you'll get paid 5 times more than in your own country, but everything will cost more, accommodation will weigh on you a lot, you part with friends and family, compete with people with a better upbringing/education on their home turf etc. It takes a much rarer type of person to pursue that and successfully adapt, while right now life in Germany/Sweden is within the reach of every unskilled monkey illiterate in his own language.
>>74149462
Franfurt school wasn't about individualism. It was actually opposite, read Escape from Freedom by Fromm.
>>74157230
People will still emigrate to better working and living conditions. That's total bullshit, typical superficial "argument" of Randroids and similar kind. It doesn't reflect reality.
>>74148580
>>74149148
>commie
Nice buzzword. Now provide evidence.
>>74158365
Less people, better people, who intend to work and integrate.
How is the current situation, where the borders are "closed", but the tide keeps coming and smugglers are making a killing, any better?
