Is Ancient China > Ancient Europe???
>>74148045
at some point it was but it quickly lost its lead when it decided to go for isolation (they actually burned every seaworthy ship they had and made them illegal) and didnt improve on their inventions (like gunpowder).
>>74148045
>"Ancient China"
>Posts shit built thousands of years after the Parthenon
kk.....
>>74148316
They also had paper before us. Basically everthing you need for your world domination starter pack.
>>74148045
No and even Ancient India > Ancient China
>>74148045
>>>/his/
Also, while chinese scale of things has always been superior, they always had and have the inferior mentality and philosophy that lacks individuality. All the great men they have are an effect of sheer numbers and bell curves
>>74148316
>they actually burned every seaworthy ship they had and made them illegal)
details pls
dont know much about Chinas past
>>74148045
built in the same era...
We were good in agricultural/irrigation technology. We were good at practical innovation.
But in terms of philosophy at the same standard of the Greeks or the enlightenment period we are completely lacking which contributed to our current mentality, which can be described as 'zerg like'.
>>74148045
They were never superior.
End of.
>>74148045
If it wasn't for the Greeks then maybe.
>>74148951
Well considering how many civil wars you guys have had I'm surprised you made it to the 21st century with the same government.
>>74148957
mine my ore
>>74148045
The more I think about it, China might be better in a lot fields. But the Romans overall probably produced more innovations. The Chinese had many great things, like that giant building, which could be seen as some kind of ancient clockwork astrology computer. But in terms of functional architecture (aqueducts, highways, expermental manufactures, city development), anatomy (battlefield surgery, dentists), metallurgy and law (very argueble) I tend to say rome was better. Maybe ancient China just had more difficulties making their innovations availabe to the general population. I'd love to see a joint team of western and chinese scientists doing some research on this.
>>74148957
They were though.
Why does /pol/ have such a hard time acknowledging the accomplishments of other races.
Asians also have higher IQs than whites.
Give credit where credit is due.
Ancient Egypt > All
>>74148957
>Gods
>built like a manlet
>>74149032
Thats why the Chinese government is so totalitarian. It needs to be in order to organize 1 billion + 400 million people.
If you had a democracy, it'd be total Chaos.
The first tier cities of Beijing and Shanghai is counted by itself would mean China is already a economically developed 1st world country, but we are just too large with an impossible large population.
Life is cheap in China and the government allows it, simply because some people (mainly poor iliterate peasants) need to die off so that educated urban residents can become the main body of China.
Thats just the reality, unless violent expansion or war will be the only options left.
>>74149060
China demonstrates the importance of morality and law because they never had either. All the intelligence and civilizational head start in history is wasted if you accept banditry and dishonesty as normal. Marcus Aurelius was from a rather late and decadent time and is remembered as a moral example almost on par with Jesus -- tell me, what intellectual-burying, constituent-raping, reality-dictating bandit of Cathay is his equivalent?
>>74149071
>They were though.
Prove it
>Why does /pol/ have such a hard time acknowledging the accomplishments of other races.
Like what?
>Asians also have higher IQs than whites.
Barley
>Give credit where credit is due.
Credit for what?
>INB4 muh paper, muh compass, muh gunpowder
>>74149039
>mine my ore
h
Fuck no
Only thing to beat Europeans were other Europeans
China lost to a bunch of horsefuckers who couldn't even beat Poles, the niggers of Europe
>>74149204
(You)
>>74148045
Ancient Europe (Greece/Rome) > Ancient China
Ancient China and ancient Rome have interesting parallels. China went through internal troubles with cycles, kind of like Rome, but while the latter eventually totally collapsed, China kept going in a way or the other.
>>74149204
Even Gods are supposed to be somewhat realistic, a lanklet god with muscles is a bit too much anon.
>>74148795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Te_hDj3wI
China was only innovative in terms of things that enhance the bureaucratic efficiency of the state. Agricultural systems to increase yields that increased tax from the peasants, irrigation and sewage systems to feed larger expanding cities to grow 'human farms' where tax can be collected and soldiers can be bred to defend ever expanding borders and skirmishes with nomadic horsemen.
Chinese society is heavily centered around the state being the ultimate 'father figure' that protects them by erecting walls around them. Which explains why Chinese are so introverted and so inward looking.
>>74149320
>tell me their accomplishments
>apart from all these accomplishments that I just listed, they don't count
Mate you just sound salty as fuck.
The Chinese were more civilised than Europeans.
You could also agrue that countries like Japan and South Korea are more civilised and technologically advanced than white countries today.
>>74149274
WUZ
>>74149443
ancient greeks > ancient chinks
>>74149249
Individual greed also often hindered arabia too btw. There were some really bad-ass savants among them but they couldn't fully pass their knowledge, because there sometimes were no smart enough family members to effectively reproduce and/or improve their methods. Maybe Arabia wouldn't be so backwards, if they hadn't that extreme kind of tribalism "Me against my brother. My brother and I against my Cousin. My brother, my cousin and I against the stranger."
>>74149475
Japan & SK are American states, the gooks didn't build those countries themselves, especially not the SK's
Japanese are top tier though but still needed America's help
>>74149498
Look at the Greeks now compared their their ancient counterparts.
The reason why Chinese are still around as a civilization is because of our efficiency of state power.....at the cost of having the people be lacking a moral compass.
>>74149475
>Mate you just sound salty as fuck.
Really? Rich coming from someone who couldn't answer my basic requests.
>The Chinese were more civilised than Europeans.
Prove it
>You could also agrue that countries like Japan and South Korea are more civilised and technologically advanced than white countries today.
Yeah... so? We're not talking about present day nations. Don't try and derail the conversation just because you're unable to contribute.
>>74148045
They might have had some unique things that were amazing but overall, no.
They lacked the capacity to dream for the future greatness of their people and only sought greatness for the emperors or feudal lords.
Rome for example saw the elevation of their people and civilization as a testament of their leader's glory. This philosophy in the end propelled western civilization forward faster. And I don't mean egalitarianism in a commie way. I mean leaders that saw the greatness of their economy and citizens/subjects quality of life as sign of their achievement was a winner and a distinctive divergence from eastern rulers.
>>74149544
We gave em two servings of help in ww2.
>>74149544
Your point is?
You think Australia could survive without America's protection?
Japan and South Korea have higher standards of living than Europe or the US.
>>74149475
>were more civilised
in terms of what?
>>74149219
Also China because of this is proof of why a one world government would be shit. people like to have a unicorns and rainbows view of a world democracy but think of it this way: China has only 1 and a few billion people and they're all the same race and speak the same language making it easier. Democracy is impossible to implement.
Now imagine trying to control 8 billion people all with different races languages etc. It would be like hell unless maybe you were a top government member. Life would be very cheap and in order to keep chaos from breaking out the regime would have to be very very totalitarian and very very brutal. Probably would be worse than Oceania in 1984
>>74149557
China was a shithole until the last 20 years when the West outsourced all your wealth to it
You were getting raped by Whitey 100 years ago, 60 years ago raped by Japs & need to be saved by Whitey funny enough
>>74149595
There's no point in arguing with you.
You're clearly a retarded stormfaggot whose just going to post photos of European architecture and will never accept than anyone other than white people could accomplish anything noteworthy.
>>74149624
Technology, language, philosophy, etc...
Most things really.
The Japanese actually considered westerners uncouth barbarians because they didn't bathe for days and ate with their hands.
>>74149071
Asians haven't been superior since China 5k years ago. Being q Greek citizen for instance probably left you much richer and more educated than a Chinese peasant of the same period.
>>74149476
SPHINXES
>>74149667
>needed help from whitey
Yes but I recall awhile back you guys lost a war to FUCKING EMUS
I bet even chinks could've won the emu war
>>74149475
I don't think it's fair to compare the US or Eurooe to Japan and ROK. They don't have the urban youth problems we do. Unleash 13% of their population's worth of blacks on the nations and their probably be burned to the ground.
>>74149769
your a dorable
>>74149653
>China has only 1 and a few billion people and they're all the same race and speak the same language
THIS IS WHAT DUMB FOREIGNERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
>>74149794
N SHEEEIT
>>74149769
>The Japanese actually considered westerners uncouth barbarians because they didn't bathe for days and ate with their hands.
The first visitors were sailors after all. Often enough they landed in Japan due to accident.
Weren't most of the antiquities in China destroyed during the cultural revolution?
as an architect it's amazing how both ancient europe and ancient china both designed and engineered buildings
>>74149794
AND SPHINCTERS
>>74149894
Didn't that happen in your country too Pierre?
Sorry I how rude of me I meant to call you mohamMud
>>74149871
It's 99% Han anyways
>>74149667
The past is the past, and you can't ignore the fact that China will be the leading superpower within the decade.
>>74149894
Or the Mongols
But i have a feeling they revised history to blame the British for it
>>74148928
where is this?
>>74149769
Now who is salty?
>You're clearly a retarded stormfaggot whose just going to post photos of European architecture and will never accept than anyone other than white people could accomplish anything noteworthy.
I'm open to anything. You just can't provide any citations to your claims. Run along now.
>Technology, language, philosophy, etc...
How so? Prove this statement.
>The Japanese actually considered westerners uncouth barbarians because they didn't bathe for days and ate with their hands.
Source please.
>>74149653
you are wrong, wrong and also wrong.
>>74149824
I don't think Asians would be half as tolerant of nignog behaviour as we are.
Ape niggers in China know their place.
>>74149891
That's true but the Japanese were using chopsticks before Europeans invented knives and forks.
>>74149894
Much of the physical and written heritage was indeed burned or demolished. Most of the cultural buildings and tourist sites are reproduction structures. Worse than the buildings being lost are the millions of scrolls that were burned from the libraries.
>>74149980
Only thing China will be leading in is an ageing population & pollution killing them off
>>74149653
>they're all the same race and speak the same language
There are 56 ethnic minorities and 100's of dialects in China.
>>74150012
Found the globalist
>>74149998
st. Peter church
>>74148045
Chinese had their chance to rule the world and promptly blew it by receding into isolationism.
Dumb Gooks...
>>74150026
>That's true but the Japanese were using chopsticks before Europeans invented knives and forks.
And Europeans were folding steel long before the Japanese. I fail to you the point you're trying to make here.
>>74150176
*to see. not to you
>>74150119
And none of the non-Han matter.
>>74150167
And now Trump wants to do the same to you guys but /pol/ supports him.
>>74150119
Compared to the whole world they're pretty small differences though. But another reason China can't have a democracy and needs a more totalitarian government
>>74150026
>I don't think Asians would be half as tolerant of nignog behaviour as we are.
Absolutely. Ask the Uighurs for example. China doesn't give a shit about minorities, when the feel they're associating with the government. I always love it, when turks complain about their brothers being "oppressed", but China runned out of fucks a long time ago.
However China is very generous to minorities as logn as they loyal to the realm. Way to go if you ask me.
>>74150011
Did you graduate from secondary school?
Do you also need me to provide a source to prove that earth revolves around the sun?
>>74149894
>>74150068
Not true.
A lot of ancient Chinese loot was taken by the Nationalists who fled to Taiwan before Mao could destroy them all.
Mao definitely burned a lot of scrolls and shit like clay pots, teacups, though but most of the metal and mineral treasure shit got sent to Taiwan.
So if you ever wanna look at ancient Chinese artwork and shit, you wanna go to Taiwan.
China is still demanding they be returned til this very day.
>>74150249
>t. anon who cannot source his own claims
As I said: run along now.
>>74150090
Your argument is invalid, whites won't exist long enough to see china collapse.
You are dying before them.
>>74150231
Consolidation =/= isolation.
It's a risk though, Imho.
>>74150231
It's the other way around. He wants to stop America from being ruled by globalists. There is no opportunity for America to rule the world America is to be raped by globalism
China has too many people to deal with as it is. Do you think it would be good for them to rule the world too?
>>74148045
Literally everything the east did, Europe did it better. They may have been ahead of their time with things like medicine and gun powder. Europeans borrowed these things and made them better. We took gun powder and used it to end the never ending cycle of lords using castles against each other. With Gun powder, castles were no longer a problem. Countries were able to consolidate power again and we were able to finally progress out of the medieval period.
>>74150237
*not associating
>>74150167
White people were pretty retarded to, they went out to conquer all the violent low-IQ people, threw it all away, let the violent low-IQ people into their countries to breed generations.
the west colonizing the world is the reason why the west suffers most today.
now that White people are universally hated by all brown skinned people's it just makes it easier for us to engage with them and fuck them over.
>>74150382
cao ni ma
>>74150309
China's birthrates & ageing population is really bad even when compared to Europe & the pollution is very worrying
I guess China could just colonize nice & clean Europe alongside Russia though in the future
>>74148795
China decided to become a completely isolationist nation around 1433. Exploration led them to fear foreigners to such a degree that leadership decided to not only keep out foreign people, but foreign technology and innovation. China stagnated while Europe continued to develop. Before China burnt their naval fleet in 1433, they were the preeminent explorers of the world and likely the most technologically advanced.
Depends when
When Mongols slaughtered entire cities of Chinese?
During famine?
China had some high points though.
>>74150349
Geratest perk of the white Race. When Jerusalem whas first took by the Crusaders, arab world sources expressed their surprise about how ingenious the inavaders were, e.g. rolling siege towers.
>>74149039
pls buy our milk senpai
>>74149544
If you are gonna call the Koreans gooks you should also call the japanese japs.
Unless you are one of them.
>>74150300
>prove to me that the earth isn't flat.
Shitpost harder faggot
>>74150382
True.
The white guilt that was created from colonisation will be our downfall.
>>74150497
Arabs didn't have crossbows either, hence "frankish bow".
>>74150382
>Brown people only hate Whitey
Yeah cause India loves China
>>74150382
HK posters are savage as fuck.
How is the 2017 election looking?
>>74150468
>they were the preeminent explorers of the world
I find this hard to believe if you're referring to Zheng He and the treasure fleets. Those were just trading missions to increase China's prestige in the eyes of people along the Indian Ocean trading routes. The Norse strike me as more impressive explorers.
>>74150382
Yeah no.
Our inability to centralize early did lead to chaos, but in chaos was meritocracy and progress.
And all the health and happiness enjoyed by the nonwhite world, insofar as they have any, is from colonization and white inventions.
>>74149667
Even with a failed government like Somalia, the japs still weren't able to conquer the entire China.
>>74148045
For a couple centuries, yes China was as scientifically advanced as Europe and often more stable and civil, which was easy since Europeans were constantly burning their continent down. Because it worked out so well for them for 1000+ years, they stuck to the old ways of doing things even when the west kept showing them that they were backwards morons
they fell behind because their letter system didn't allow for them to develop a printing press. The west started printing books, which fueled the reminiscence, scientific inquiry, and the industrial revolution. While China remained an agrarian society up until the 1960s
What also didn't help was most of their foreign interactions consisting of getting reamed in the ass by everyone. First by Mongols, then by the British, then by the Japs. The Chinese psyche only viewed foreigners as trouble, so they stuck to their old ways even harder
This is what lead to the hilarious comedy of errors known as the Opium wars. In which British ships would go around slaughtering the Chinese navy and armies with superior technology while taking next to no casualties. The Chinese used matchlocks and swords while the British used Flintlocks and cannons. The Chinese suffered horrible causalities not helped by their own troops exploding into flames whenever they got hit or fell on top of powder belts fastened over their chests. Moral was so poor that troops had to be locked in their forts or else would have fled. Troops from other providences regularly got lost and when they did arrive had no trouble fighting their own over cultural differences and generalised breakdown of order. The propaganda was insane. Claims of 10000 British killed in a single battle being quite common or entire fleets of hundreds sunk(Something the British did many times to the Chinese Navy) because everyone in the chain of command was only trying to save their own skin by lying to their superiors. The emperor didn't get any news as a result
>>74150468
Didn't some Jews cause that by telling them the world was filled with scary barbarians
Not sure if /pol/ bullshit but pretty funny if true
>>74150555
>>prove to me that the earth isn't flat.
>Shitpost harder faggot
>>74150468
Success ruins people.
Chinese were very successful very early and honestly decided there was nothing more to learn.
Europe did not have that option because of their lack of centralization.
Compare the Third Man speech about Switzerland Versus Renaissance Italy.
>>74150555
>>74150587
i'm not saying that Chinese are liked. But at least we dont provoke that irrational deep seated hatred I see from brown people when they just see regular white people minding their own business.
they hate us because we fuck them over economically today, right now. not because of some guy centuries ago that had the same phenotype alledgedly do to their people.
the scary part about this all is that no amount of rationalizing will cure the browns of their white hating disease.
also, Chinese can play the 'at least we're not like those white people that oppressed you, dont you remember what they did? yeahh.....sign here" card.
>>74150635
Japs could have, but USSR & USA fucked them over
White people always fucking themselves over
>>74150579
"Farankka" is still the arab word for whites
>>74149071
Asians have similar IQ to Whites.
The mean IQ of Chinese in both rural and urban areas is 103, the same as non-Hispanic White Americans. Cities like Shanghai are often extrapolated for the rest of the country, but Shanghai is the most developed country on the Mainland which would create a skewed population distribution. As well, because of the Hukou system, the Chinese government control internal rural-to-urban migration in their country that artificially inflates the IQ (the rich and educated have been fast-tracked). As well, migrant workers and their children that number in the millions in these tier-1 cities are forbidden from partaking in proxies for IQ (like scholastic testing).
Japan and Korea are mainly mono-ethnic countries and if you look at individual ethnicities in Europe and not national IQs, the Dutch and Southern Germans for instance have IQ scores in similar ranges as them (105-106).
East Asians in the West are mostly the product of relatively recent migration, where immigration standards are high bar refugees, and hence are a self-selected elite and aren't representative of their native populations.
>>74150555
hj
>>74150249
Not that guy but I actually have a history degree and mainly studied 1800-1990 Chinese domestic policy.
I'm not going to waste my time fighting over all these errors and falsehoods people are pulling out of their ass.
I summed it up in an earlier post of what caused China and Asia in general to not achieve what the West did. It came down to philosophical differences in how their leaders viewed the potential of their own subjects. The Chinese in particular did and still do view their people as pack mules while the West saw them as a well of untapped potential.
With modern globalism I'd argue we're headed to more of a Chinese model because the current heads of state conspire together to cement control of power and wealth rather than compete against each other as nation states with the success of their citizens as weapons. When you get this somewhat abstract concept you understand how our civilizations took different arcs.
>>74150555
h342d
>>74150635
because the chinese nationalists were being armed by the allies.
communist chinese were degenerates that did no fighting.
>>74150626
>And all the health and happiness enjoyed by the nonwhite world, insofar as they have any, is from colonization and white inventions.
In Hong Kong & Singapore (where high IQ people are)....maybe.
But Africa? South Asia? Don't count on it, the infrastructure you left behind has regressed to the point of obsolescence and they will blame white people and not themselves because it was originally the whites idea to put it there.
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. Thats the white mans curse in the current era.
>>74150661
>because their letter system didn't allow for them to develop a printing press
China was certainly held back by its pictograph writing system, but they developed the printing press a thousand years before Gutenberg. It just never became viable because there were far too many characters.
>>74148045
>ancient
got to be a little bit more specific, retard
Roman Empire > Han dynasty, though
>>74150819
Go on.
>>74150588
>Hong Kong Elections
its a fucking clown show. I dont get involved.
>>74150555
232fss
>>74150741
Brown people hate Whitey out of jealously, colonization is just a good excuse, don't get too comfortable, cause when Whitey is gone & you Yellow bro's rule the world, guess whos gonna be the new big bad who shitskins blame for all their problems?
Already happening in parts of Africa, blaming the Chinese for their problems
>>74150762
Yeah but the Jap success of the 20th century wouldn't have happened if it was not for western influence that brought them out of their feudal age.
Chinas tech was on par or ahead of the wests for some time but then they cut them selves off from the world and stayed in the 1500's
asians are not smarter then whites, just more dedicated to study otherwise it would not be that literally 99% of major progress of world was made in west. They lack imagination, they lack passion to destroy bounderies. Maybe average chink have higher IQ based on their race, maybe by 1 point, but what is important is geniuses. Average person doesnt make progress, average person is useless. Unless you have IQ at least 140 u wont push world forward. Whites have more geniuses on average then chinks.
>>74150176
They had different standards of decorum, the Japanese thought the whites were a bunch of loud ape-men that didn't bathe every day like they did and ate nothing but meat like savages
But they were secretly jelly of their superior technology so they spent decades importing and studying it to make it their own. It was only 8 years after the first steamship reached Japan that they built their own and sailed it back to North America
Anyway Japan fully adopted western technology, military strategy, and uniforms. They then dick-slapped around China in the Sino-Japan war of 1894. China was humiliated despite having 10 times as many men. In their own propaganda, Japan portrays themselves as being superior regimented soldiers while the Chinese are backwards asian caricatures getting plowed
>>74150779
Asians have slightly more Neanderthal DNA on average than Whites, that's why you got slightly bigger brains on average
Simple truth about it really but it NEVER EVER gets talked about because one race has no Neanderthal DNA & it kinda explains why they are so fucking dumb
>>74150858
Lithographs were pretty handy, but only for things like duplicating an imperial proclamation a gazillion times, not doing a few dozen or hundred copies of a book
>>74151017
no one gives a fuck what czech republic want
i cant hear what you say
fuck off
>>74148045
Ancient Asia = Ancient Europe
We're both beautiful, and we alone are at the top of the world. When Europe is dead and buried. America will be the remnant of it's past.
>>74151017
I'm not even sure of they are really less imaginative. Look at Japan pumping put shit for about 40 years. Whereas China makes their intellectuals "revoke" their statements. No climate for ideas to thrive.
>>74151094
oy vey white cunt gibsmedat reparations for your whitesplaining on my sovereign land that was never ceded
>>74150251
I was specifically referring to the hundreds of ancient building and thousands of religious statues and hillside reliefs dynamited and torched during the destruction of the Four Evil Olds during the Cultural revolution. The famous Temple of Heaven in Beijing for example is a reconstruction. As too are the pagodas in Suzhou, Shanghai and Hangzhou. The scrolls were burned by the Cultural Revolution cadre to destroy the "old ideas".
I spent years studying this shit and lived in China for two years. There was too much shit in China for a dozen conquering nations or departing ruling factions to loot a significant amount. Mao was much more efficient in smashing, detonating, and burning it though.
>>74151169
Europe is worse.
>>74151018
One of the moments in history the nation takes most pride in, going from an isolated backwater centuries behind into a modern superpower.
>>74151105
Eurasia best Continent.
>>74151176
>pretending to be abo for the tax incentives
i've found some smart australians for once.
>>74151199
No. Much to my suffering, literally every idea here ius considered. At least in germany.
![1447684554814[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1qHGaQr.jpg "1447684554814[2].jpg")
>Filthy swarthy latins are inferior to Germanic master race
>N-No, China wasn't superior! J-Just look at wh-what Greeks and Romans and Italians did in the same era!
Until the 1600s China was strictly superior to Northern "Europe"
>>74151255
It's more than that, if you can link yourself up to a particular tribe which has a mine on their ancestral land you could be in for a massive payout from the government/resources company, so long as you can cosy up to the chief or whoever gets appointed to divvy up the money
That's quite besides all the cushy government jobs open only to " Indigenous applicants" and every other job besides which hires them first because it makes their employment statistics look good
>>74149329
>China lost to a bunch of horsefuckers who couldn't even beat Poles, the niggers of Europe
Those horsefuckers you speak of won every battle against the poles and hungarians in their initial invasions.
>>74151334
>Until the 1600s China was strictly superior to Northern "Europe"
Prove it.
>>74151094
That admixture is almost negligible to be significant.
The most likely thing is that the selective pressures in the environment that the Neanderthals experienced that led to their relatively high intelligence are also the same ones that increased the IQ of the races that lived and bred in the same environments.
>>74151094
>Asians have slightly more Neanderthal DNA on average than Whites
Pretty sure Neanderthals admixture peaks in Tuscans worldwide.
>>74150127
No the picture shown as the pantheon. You are from Italy. How do you not know that?
>>74151375
>M-Muh vikings tho
>Muh ships tho
>>74148045
Greco-Roman civilization>Ancient Egypt> Ancient Persia > barbarian Europe > Ancient China >Ancient Japan
>>74151359
thats pretty damn smart I have to admit.
>>74151520
ancient egypt was pretty shit famalam, grain and giant piles of sand is about all they had to offer the world
>>74151206
Yes,the difference in relations to the west is what caused Japan to leap ahead while China isolated itself and remained in the middle ages.
Chinese society is still all about getting reamed by the people in power, and everyone there dreams of getting into a position of power themselves just so they can fuck over everyone below them
>>74151520
and at last place are the nordshits, right?
Comparing ancient civilizations in this way is pretty stupid, especially when the majority here lack the education to make any meaningful contribution to the discussion. It is pretty funny though how some people are able to derive some sort of nationalistic pride from it.
>>74151452
You're joking right? Pantheon is much smaller.
>>74150689
>>74150711
>>74150781
>>74150822
>>74150928
Literal autism
>>74151520
Why do you rate egypt so high? Big architectural achievements is not all that matters. Especially when we're talking about a span up to 5000 years.
>>74151206
the good old days eh tojo
>>74151566
But they were essential for the creation of Greek art
I'm copying this from someone else on /his/
>Uprising of the Five Barbarians
>An Lushan Rebellion: 13,000,000–36,000,000
>Qing Conquest of Ming: 25,000,000
>Second Sino-Japanese War: 25,000,000
>Taiping Rebellion: 20,000,000–100,000,000
>Three Kingdoms War: 36,000,000–40,000,000
>Dungan Revolt: 8,000,000–20,770,000
>Great Leap Forward: 45 million
>4 of the top 5 biggest natural disasters by death toll in history
>Wanggongchang Explosion
Those numbers are deaths.
China has some of the best and worst moments in recorded history. During their good times, they're more powerful and influential than anyone else. But during their bad times, they go through more death, suffering and humiliation than anyone else. There's no inbetween when it comes to China. They're either the best, or the absolute worst.
>>74151520
>barbarian Europe > Ancient China
On what planet?
>>74151697
Barbarians are by defintion less civilised than any one else.
>>74151094
Moron, Neanderthal DNA is not directly related to IQ. Australian Aboriginals have some Neanderthal DNA and are even dumber than blacks, and Native Americans have more Neanderthal DNA than any other group and are barely above nigger tier.
Stop repeating this retarded meme you got off some Neo-Nazi blog site.
>>74148795
They had the largest navy at the time with the largest boats
>>74151682
They haven't been the best in 600 years.
>>74151624
They were the best of times, they were the worst of times.
>>74151616
You're right. I forgot to mention Mesopotamian civilization
>>74151590
Nordshits are at the last place of European civilizations, but not worldwide
>>74151018
>>74151584
You're both ignoring the fact taht the Chinese army was destroyed after the opium wars, that China didn't have a navy anymore at the time and that the country was already in a terrible state due to the Qing dynasty being unable to govern or reform.
>>74150893
Not much else to say. There were distinctly different groups of people even in Greek days that were constantly trying to one up each other through written epic or warfare. The much marveled over Renaissance was what? It was a time when the Church, wealthy merchants, and heads of state privatized their innovation, art, city planning, and architecture through the patron system. It was final culmination of the Western philosophy I outlined earlier and accelerated innovation so quickly it named the time before a "Dark Age". Western innovation only accelerated faster by introduction of the federalism which is the same philosophy only pitting, in the US, individual states against each other in competition. This remarkable system made the most prosperous and power nation out of largely unremarkable people.
>>74151748
Aboriginals were ruined by incest & no protection from the harsh sun
Native Americas were far above Sub-Saharan Negroids
>>74151697
Because they're white.
>>74151682
It's pretty fucking comical isn't it?
When China fucks something up, 20+ Million people die.
>>74151843
>Native Americas were far above Sub-Saharan Negroids
In what way? They have no architecture, tech, or any kind of accomplishments that would elevate them above blacks. I'm talking about Native North Americans here, not Mesoamericans.
>>74151798
I think its sad what happened to japan really I mean they did over board in ww2 and went pretty nuts but you guys hardly have any culture anymore and the culture you used to have was so militaristic even before westernization then americans just poof removed ur army and shit huge culture shock obviously sorry for the run on sentence tired as shit
>>74148045
Gooks are only good at copying other shit. They lack the innovation and individuality inherent in Western culture because their government and people in general are absent of empathy.
They're equivalent to the kid with aspergers in the classroom that is booksmart but has no ideas of their own.
>>74150741
The hate is mutual, friend. Nobody likes shitskins. The yellows are basically our slant eyed cousins.
>>74151504
Green texting strawmen is not an argument. Careful, you're falling into the same trap as the Brit earlier did.
Now; again: Prove to me your subjective statement is objective.
>>74151601
How?
Europe. By a mile. Not even close.
China got cucked and dominated by caucasoid nomads for eternity.
>>74148045
Ancient chink doesn't hold a candle.
>>74151963
I think it's funny how you people can look at these societies that have produced centuries of art, culture, mathematics, and technology, and write them off as uncreative or only good at copying things. Did they produce less than the west? Sure. But saying shit like this only shows how dumb and uninformed you are.
>>74148045
I'd say yes, but the Confucian ideology stymied progress and they fell behind quickly
![MTIwNjA4NjMzODc3MTM2OTA4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/obgEaBO.jpg "MTIwNjA4NjMzODc3MTM2OTA4[1].jpg")
>>74152104
>caucasoid nomads for eternity.
Yep he looks very ... causacoid.
Nice try retard.
>>74151601
oi, we have ourselves a cucboi here. bet he sucks that man united cuc.
>>74152104
>China got cucked and dominated by caucasoid nomads for eternity.
Mostly the 19th century, which they dubbed the age of humiliation. Meanwhile the 21st century is already being labeled the Asian century, and a century in which Europe and America willingly destroy themselves through mass-migration. Meanwhile, the topic of race and racial differences is still widely discussed in the East. I forgot his name, but I remember this Japanese Prime Minister becoming a scandal in America (not his own Japan, just in America) when he stated America's relatively low IQ is the result of Mexican immigration.
The East will rise while Europe will not even exist in its current state before the century is over. This is not being humiliated by a superior outside force like what happened to China, this is willingly inviting in your own destruction. And I'm not even a Chinaboo, just calling it as it is.
>>74152104
u fucking retard
>>74151834
Forgive the completely fucked up sentences. I'm on a phone and through the magic of auto correct and rewording sentences in a tiny text box I've produced some potato grammar. The context is clear in sure though.
if jews didn't look white the west would own the world
prove me wrong - protip you can't
>>74152237
No one knows what he looked like. Any surviving depictions are considered to be artistic interpretations
>>74148045
according to one stormfag /pol/ack the ancient Chinese were "red-haired, pale Caucasoids"
>>74152104
>China got cucked and dominated by caucasoid nomads for eternity.
Ah, I see it's time for WE WUZ KANGS, Stormfag edition
>>74148045
What Ancient China are we speaking about? Zhou China? Han China? Qin? Ming? Qing?
>>74152310
Jews look a lot like Southern Italians/Greeks.
Whats up with that? I always found that quite interesting.
>>74152276
>The East will rise while Europe will not even exist in its current state before the century is over. This is not being humiliated by a superior outside force like what happened to China, this is willingly inviting in your own destruction. And I'm not even a Chinaboo, just calling it as it is.
You'd think with it's huge population, decent development, and high IQ, China would be an explosion of innovation right now, but that's far from the truth.
>>74152209
Why is the blame on the Confucian ideology?
Don't you think other factors like internal disputes and geography are more important?
>>74151963
what about all the shit they did invent though?
I agree that the West ultimately did more, but your complete dismissal seems a bit KANGZ tier
>>74148045
Knights > Samurai
Ancient europe was better, except on perhaps hygiene.
You know, black death and everything.
>>74151797
The last dynasty of China was ruled by the warlike Manchurians. The actual Chinese people suffered immensely during the past several centuries. They had multiple massive rebellions against their Manchurian masters that led to tens of millions of casualties each time, the enforcement of the queue hairstyle that was the ultate humiliation, the Opium Wars, European and Japanese colonization, etc. The last several centuries were cruel as fuck to the Chinese people.
![Qubilai_Setsen_Khaan[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/C1baTyK.jpg "Qubilai_Setsen_Khaan[1].jpg")
>>74152316
>No one knows what he looked like
There you are wrong, everyone knows how Kublai looked like since he was in constant explosure by the chinese that he ruled over. Here is a portrait drawn by a nepalese artist at his court while he was alive.
Maybe you confuse him with Genghis who didn't allow drawings of himself while he was alive.
>>74152398
>huge population,
Too big, it causes problems and shortages.
>Decent development, and high IQ
You could develop the nicest toilet ever but the person squatting down to shit on the street has a low IQ.
China was ahead of Europe for a stage, but only because they dominated trade. Interestingly, the same reason they dominated is currently the reason they're slowing down: The only exported and never imported because they had everything. Nowadays, their refusal to allow a consumer economy is causing them to slow down.
>>74152178
it's /pol/.
there are a lot of willfully stupid WN posers here that desperately want to believe asian history only goes back 100 years and that they lived in caves or didn't exist beyond that. it's the only way their WN sensibilities make any sense. that's why they do that.
>>74152276
Trump is going to build that wall though. And they all got to go back. Please pray for us because you'll need somewhere to go after Europe falls.
>>74152178
>this triggers the chink
I'm not going to respect a country whose people lack a basic sense empathy and are nothing more than robots made of flesh and blood. All other Asian countries hate the Chinese and justifiably so.
So fucking what if they discovered paper or gunpowder first. It means nothing if they didn't utilize it like every other advanced civilization did before them, which is exactly what happened.
>>74152326
WE
(i also find it hilarious that stormfags are also prone to this but will never admit it or rationalize it away)
>>74152473
>Maybe you confuse him with Genghis
I did, my mistake. I saw the beard and moustache and jumped to a conclusion.
>>74152529
>Trump is going to build that wall though.
That's implying he can win. He can't. People are not going to vote for Hillary, but against Trump. And that will only make thinks worse, considering she explicitly stated she considers Merkel's example worth following.
And even if Trump builds his wall, that's too little too late. White americans under the age of 5 are already a minority. Demographics are destiny, and China's demographics are Chinese.
>>74152490
This post is just moronic. How many subjective claims were made by the "pro-Asian" crowd that were unable to post sources or citations?
>>74152703
We might survive if trump reforms us.
>>74148635
TF is this
>>74152551
I'm not Asian.
>So fucking what if they discovered paper or gunpowder first. It means nothing if they didn't utilize it like every other advanced civilization did before them, which is exactly what happened.
If by utilize, you mean "go take over other countries, whose populations a century later would immigrate to your own and feed off the guilt of aforementioned colonialism/oppression to displace the native population", then I'm sure they're glad they didn't. Another common /pol/ doublethink
>muh nationalism
>but colonialism is good because it allows me to measure up muh white dick and feel like a superior ruling class
>>74152489
>their refusal to allow a consumer economy is causing them to slow down.
Are you silly ?
They are currently transitioning to a consumer economy, which led to their growth slowing down, because their economy is shifting.
>>74152703
>White americans under the age of 5 are already a minority
citation needed
>>74152763
except colonialism actually uplifted the countries it was applied to, the death of Europe was when England and the U.S. pushed for the end of slavery and colonialism
>>74152752
How? America will survive, nobody doubts that. It will just not remain a white country.
>>74152276
Pretty sure it was the Singaporean Prime Minister LKY who talked about the issue of immigration.
>>74152398
China as we know it hasn't even existed for more than half a century at this point, and considering the purge of the intelligentsia when Mao took over, its pretty remarkable what has happened since.
>>74152709
do you need specific citations and sources for what was said here >>74152178
do you also need me to point out the number of posts in this thread that just take into account the last 100 years of so as the sum total of chinese/asian history?
nothing i said or addressed was subjective.
>>74148928
Ancient China is a bit older than that mate. People in China could read and write before christianity even started.
The answer is obviously yes op.
>>74152763
>saying something contarian to your liberal ideology makes it doublethink
No, you're just a self-hating cuck that has fallen for the sjw tactics.
There is no "guilt" associated with colonialism. Anyone that has outgrown being a tree-hugging borderless hippie understands that civilization had completely different morals and understanding of the world at the time. To scrutinize the historical past with modern morality is a baseless argument.
>>74152753
An ancient meme.
>>74152825
For some nations yes, but to say this applied to every colonized nation is just silly.
Ancient China is a little overrated tbqh
The majority of their history has been brutal civil wars and collapse killing tens of millions with small periods of a unified China.
>>74149071
>asians have higher IQs than whites
lel, all they do is take things that white people have invented and take decades tweaking it while everyone thinks "Oh my god, asians are so smart for making this touch screen WiFi fridge!"
Don't even get me started on the Chinese, their schools literally encourage them to cheat so they can get accepted into prestigious western universities and buy their way in.
Chinks are the most stupid fuckers I have ever encountered, they lack individual thought and critical thinking skills.
>>74152992
Please name one country that wasn't better off in the 50's after colonization.
>>74152935
Thing is, I never took a side here. I only wanted the Brit to source his claims. Which he failed at and left the thread, not before making ad hominem towards me. So please, as you were; sources pl0x.
>>74149320
>muh greatest inventions of all time
>>74149769
The Chinese considered the Japanese uncouth barbarians because they were a crude version of China on some little islands. What's your point?
>>74152786
I think the entire theory of economic policy shift and consumer/producer driven economy is Keynesian drivel.
China's economy is constricted by its own corruption stemming from its political system. China's economy is slowing down because the global economy is slowing down. The global economy is slowing down because globalism had created a macrocosm of the same corrupt crony capitalistic system constricting China.
>>74153144
wat?
>>74149557
Top kek my slanty-eyed friend.
If it weren't for vultures giving you billions of worth of R&D, FOR FREE you would be still dying like the flies every winter.
>>74152825
>colonialism actually uplifted the countries it was applied to
Like which ones? Certainly nowhere in Africa, whose populations were happy in small numbers chucking spears pre colonialism, but now after being exposed to western medicine and tech have reproduced out of control and turned Africa into Hell on earth.
>>74152983
I didn't say that people should feel guilt for colonialism, but they do. And how am I a cuck, when I implied that mass immigration was a bad thing? Oh right, because you're a retard with the brain of a middleschooler who just likes repeating a new term he learned ad infinitum.
>>74153231
> Certainly nowhere in Africa, whose populations were happy in small numbers chucking spears pre colonialism, but now after being exposed to western medicine and tech have reproduced out of control and turned Africa into Hell on earth.
The problem in that is not colonialism, it's the brutal end of colonialism imposed by England, the U.S. and the U.K.
>If I can't have it then no one can
>>74152823
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-25/american-babies-are-no-longer-mostly-non-hispanic-white
>>74152763
>go take over other countries, whose populations a century later would immigrate to your own
This is why you do it the right way and exterminate them. If the chinks are smart, they'll wipe out the niggers in Africa when they take over.
I say this even as a person with injun in my blood.
>>74152964
Was Rome before or after Christianity?
>>74153324
This will change when 25 million illegals go home by choice or force. MAGA.
Also maybe the Mormans will have even more kids.
>>74153231
But Colonialism brought teachings and technology to Africa they otherwise would have never gotten. Give Empire of Dust a watch. The Chinese man working in the DRC tells his Congolese worker how the Congo had railroads in the 40s and 50s when his country didn't. They were taught proper agriculture and given all these technologies yet destroyed it all and reverted back to hunter-gatherer tribalism. They were given an opportunity and threw it away.
Chinese history is overrated. The bad shit seems to outweigh the good. If the chinks weren't getting raped by Mongolians, they were killing each other until a massive chunk of the population was dead.
>>74153134
>So please, as you were; sources pl0x
sources for.. what? where have i made any subjective claim that requires one?
>Thing is, I never took a side here.
neither have i. the only thing i offered commentary on were the actual posters in this thread or in general whenever this topic shows up on /pol/. i haven't even tried to answer the OP's question.
>>74153231
>look mom I can use big philosophical words to make myself sound smart
You're a cuck because you've accepted the idea that native guilt leads to the downfall of society. That's complete bullshit.
>>74153419
>But Colonialism brought teachings and technology to Africa they otherwise would have never gotten. Give Empire of Dust a watch. The Chinese man working in the DRC tells his Congolese worker how the Congo had railroads in the 40s and 50s when his country didn't. They were taught proper agriculture and given all these technologies yet destroyed it all and reverted back to hunter-gatherer tribalism. They were given an opportunity and threw it away.
Exactly my point. Colonialism did not have a net positive effect on Africa, so I'd hardly say they "uplifted" them. Even under colonial rule it's not like they were better off, they were still second class citizens compared with the colonists. Like I said, they were better off in small tribes chucking spears without a care in the world.
>>74153499
Where in any of my posts did I use big or unusual words in an attempt at sounding smart? If my diction comes off as "trying to sound smart" to you, you really are a retard. And pointing out cucky tendencies of other people in a negative light somehow makes me a cuck? Fuck off you stupid nigger.
throughout china china has been largely defensive and non meddling in nature. At the height of its power china could probably have brute forced mongolia and swallowed up korea. Yet we chose to build a wall and allow korea to remain intact, culture , language and all as a vassal state.
China closed its doors because it believed it didnt need anything more from the world. That was until the gwailoes came with ships and opium on their quest to ruin half the world
>>74153672
throughout history*
>>74149894
Classical China got Mao'd
Ancient China got first emperor'd
Dunno what it is with Chinese rulers and trying to obliterate their heritage but there you go.
>>74153369
China was a great empire way earlier than Rome too.
>>74153643
All those resources going unused is frankly an injustice though. Rhodesia was the breadbasket of the world in its time and there remains prime farmland, mines, and oilfields. A situation where right of conquest is a perfectly viable casus belli.
>>74153050
That isn't even a reasonable indicator of 'being better off' urbanization and development of infrastructure means nothing is there are no institutions to modernize the society.
>>74153672
the concept of 天下(tianxia) is very interesting.
>>74148045
shitskins never invented glass, thats why they loose
>>74153845
they do have those though.
>>74153643
I'd wager that the people of Zimbabwe, Liberia, Rowanda, and Sudan were all better off as 2nd class citizens under colonialism than they are today.
And you can't argue that colonialism wasn't a net positive or negative to where they currently are because we don't know their trajectory without colonialism. It's all pure speculation.
>>74153861
First glass was made by the Mesopotamians, who are brown skinned.
>>74148045
New Silk Road when?
>>74153916
>I'd wager that the people of Zimbabwe, Liberia, Rowanda, and Sudan were all better off as 2nd class citizens under colonialism than they are today.
I'm not saying they weren't better off than they are today, I agree with you on that. I'm saying they were better off before whitey ever showed up.
>>74150939
The difference is that the chinks don't give a fuck. When whites have finished cucking themselves out of existence the niggers will almost certainly start blaming all their problems on the Chinese but they'll be too scared to act up or else they will be exterminated.
White people have pretty much proven that ingenuity isn't worth shit without in group preferences to hold on to your achievements.
>>74153916
Rwanda is actually a pretty good country to live in, they have a high rate of university enrollment, good infrastructure and stable government.
Sure the genocide was shitty but shit happens.
>>74153891
Its pretty obvious they don't. As much as you want to separate the two, the ending of colonialism is still part of colonialism, you cant say that none of this has any influence in what Africa is like today.
>>74154148
have you actually, in your life, ever stepped in Africa ?
>>74154010
They had no written language and average life expectancies weren't measured and recorded by their verbal historians. We can assume they had no modern medicine, constant tribal warfare, and extremely high infant mortality rates. I'm not going to argue for or against what you're saying but I think your assertion is pure speculation based on little more than opinion or emotion and borders on "we wuz kangz" level.
>>74148045
Here are letters between King George III of Britain and Chinese Emperor Qing Long. Try to notice the nuances on how they refer to one another, that will give you an idea of the relationship between the two countries--and other European countries as well.
http://academics.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/China/208/READINGS/qianlong.html
If you want actual knowledge on the subject, I suggest you go read a book or two instead of referring to a bunch of opinionated ultra-nationalists.
"The Origins of the Modern World" by Robert B. Marks is a good quick read
>>74153859
Theres largely nothing but sand to the north and west, jungle to the south and the sea to the east. China was seen as or believed to be the centre of the world, and the chinese race the "descendants of the dragon". The emperor was the son of heaven with a divine mandate.
The huns were barbarians, as were the brown jungle people to the south. Japanese pirates regularly raided coastal villages and was seen as barbaric as well.
Ancient China was pretty based but they never took advantage of it. The chinks were dumb enough to place restrictions on British trade which you just don't do in the 19th century.
One of the many failings of the eternal chinaman. The irony is, we are now the ones at the mercy of the chinks.
Lowly times these are.
Can the Germanic cucks here please stop claiming Mediterranean culture as their own? Just because it was "White" doesn't mean you had anything to do with it. Thanks in advance.
>>74154469
>The chinks were dumb enough to place restrictions on British trade which you just don't do in the 19th century.
they put restriction because England tried to import opium into China and they knew that narcotics make a society dumb and lazy
>>74149618
Woah, of course we (Australia) could survive without US help and we'd do better than most other "western" nations, especially for being as small as we are.
