Why does /pol/ call any attempt to not conform to "traditional" values "degenerate"? Are they implying that keeping everything exactly the same and never trying anything new is somehow "progenerate" and will generate new things, as opposed to experimentation and freedom to choose your own values?
*sigh*
>>74055050
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
>>74055129
what do you consider broken and fixed? I'd say the current system is too broken to be fixed
>>74055050
Traditional values are the values which have withstood thousands of years of "trial and error" experimentation. They are basically fine tuned to ensure stability and prosperity.
Feel free to experiment, I'm pro-freedom. But don't expect my tax dollars to bail you out when you're a drug addicted degenerate with two illegitimate children to feed.
>>74055236
I don't agree with theft, why do you call it tax?
Why would I get addicted to drugs or have kids?
>>74055365
>I don't agree with theft
So you agree with me that people who take wrong decisions should suffer their consequences, right?
>Why would I get addicted to drugs or have kids?
That's usually what "experimenting" means. Experimenting with substance abuse and casual sex.
I doubt when you said "experimenting" you were talking about trying to teach yourself calculus or start your own company...
>>74055050
You are not entitled to an explanation. Nothing is owed to you. You are not special.
>>74055433
there's no need to "agree" with a law of nature, everyone has to face consequences of their and others actions. If you're asking would I demand $ from anyone if I was in a shitty situation then no.
I mean experiment with living in a society where we don't steal from each other or threaten each other instead of letting a group or armed thugs and someone who pretends to represent us rule us
>>74055630
Feel free to form your own commune. It's a free country.
All I'm asking is don't come whining when it inevitably collapses.
>>74055197
>Thinking this could ever be improved upon
JUST
>>74055851
>literally falling for advertisements
>>74055708
no it's not a free country
anywhere I go there are armed guards who will imprison or kill me if I try to do something they don't like, and will steal a portion of my wealth every year
>>74055050
new is not degenerate. degeneracy is degenerate. if you come up with a new idea to strengthen society, then that is not degenerate, but every "new" idea "progressive" liberals come up with is speciically and openly designed to destroy society, they admit this and are proud of it
>>74055050
nice projection
>>74056055
The leave maybe?
>>74055050
Ok, try this, maybe it will help you understand. Look at the things that are becoming popular... look at pop culture. Transgenderism, pornography, twerking, our youth being subject to rap music, race mixing, homosexuality. Look at everything that is called "progressive" in terms of our culture and ask yourself one question... Does it strengthen anything? Does it strengthen the family unit? Does it strengthen the aspirations and skills of young people? Does it inspire creativity? Does it make communities stronger?
The answer is overwhelmingly no in all cases, in fact not only does it not make anything stronger it makes everything I mentioned weaker. It makes us more detached. It makes us less empathetic, more narcissistic. More fractured, broken apart, stupid, and violent.
Thus, it is degenerative. It is degeneracy.
>>74056193
please define degeneracy
is it anything that weakens a society?
For instance religion is often accredited with helping keep societies together but it also has incited more wars and invasions and crusades that weakened and destroyed societies. The current religion of islam supposedly strengthens muslim societies in the middle east but threatens others in europe. What exactly is degeneracy friend?
>>74056470
religions wars destroy other societies, generally not your own
and yeah thats a pretty good definition. social behaviors and norms that are designed to weaken and destroy to prepare for some pie in the sky utopia that never comes, what comes instead is an invasion from another society that spread these degenerate ideals to weaken you
>In 1965, the people of Britain may have been poorer, smaller, shabbier, dirtier, colder, narrower, more set in their ways, ignorant of olive oil, polenta and - even - lager. But they knew what united them, they shared a complicated web of beliefs, attitudes, prejudices, loyalties and dislikes.
>In an incredibly short time, we have been turned into a nation without heroes, without pride in our past or knowledge of either our past triumphs or our past follies and disasters. We are like an amnesia patient, waking up in the hospital ward, with both past and future great blank spaces stretching behind and before us, doomed to repeat mistakes we do not even know we have already made.
But fags can fuck in the street and women can kill their babies against a backdrop of environmental and political disaster, so everything worked out for the best.
>>74056354
I very well might if I can find a prison cell where I am taxed less and can fit in to the culture well enough, unfortunately the whole world is already claimed by these guards
>>74056369
Thanks for a good answer. These things do strengthen some things like freedom of expression, making sex easier to get, etc. It doesn't strengthen the family unit but why does it matter if they don't? Porn encourages women and men to get hotter and learn how to have sex better, same with twerking. Rap encourages people to learn how to rap, be witty and tougher and stand up for themselves. They vastly inspired many artists and made the hip hop community
>>74056793
>unit but why does it matter if they don't?
The destruction of the family unit is the biggest disaster to have ever hit the west.
Kill yourself you blue pilled nigger
>>74055050
>progenerate
it's regenerative you dumb illiterate faggot.
>>74056793
Without ad hominem and without sliding too far into memery, I have to address your entire post by saying that your frame of mind is exactly what this degeneracy machine is trying to create. People who can't see the things you're defending as wrong. Now, I'm all for freedom of expression, but girls "having sex better because they do porn and can twerk" what kind of nonsense is that? How is that "better"?
There's nothing wrong with rap outside of the fact that 95% of it is about drugs and violence, and it breeds that behavior. Make no mistake the black community in the USA in large part as bad as it is because of the music industry jew. It is deliberate.
Also, the family unit is the core and pinnacle of a successful and stable nation. We need strong families with strong values and a high fertility rate to perpetuate as a people. Our family unit is being destroyed, fractured families with children being split between two parents. Low fertility rates. An influx, nay, invasion of immigrants. Most of which are Muslim and have a fertility rate that is 4x higher than Americans.
It's all degeneracy. You're defending degeneracy.
Well, according to the Fate of Empires, we are doomed to follow the same patterns as empires (first time in the history of the world, we're actually in a situation where humanity is somewhat considered a massive 'empire' on its own, and will follow all the same 'rules' that are set for empires to go through)
And little to no surprise, degeneracy was mentioned as one of the last stages how empires doom themselves to invaders. It corrupts morale and changes human behaviour and preps them to lose their grasp for the empire.
The more and more this immigrancy and loosening of morales continue, the closer we get to the final stages and heading towards a collapse.
Anyone who decides to turn a blind eye to our own repeating history, is pretty much escalating our own march to doom
>>74057298
very good post
>>74057370
Thanks Japan. Usually I just shitpost. Don't know why that's different tonight.
The US could learn a lot from your nation.
>>74057695
Kek I'm not japanese just here for work.
Japan is amazing though. I live in Tokyo, a city with 30 million people and yet it's clean and safe.
>>74057370
I love you Japan.
>>74057776
Where are you from? What do you do for a living?
>>74057298
pornstars fuck better than virgins, that's all I'm saying. It feels better on my dick so it's better.
I agree the jewluminati fucks up music to promote that kind of behavior but it's not like most poor black people wouldn't do that themselves anyway just look at Africa.
I don't care about perpetuation of my genes or the white race I'm going to be dead in a short time soon and don't want to bust my ass working to raise kids I would take no pleasure raising in this society, not to mention have an over 50% chance of getting divorced and fucked over so hard I become an indentured slave by the government
>>74057969
French, IT work
>>74058103
This post said all I need to know about you. Listen, I'm not trying to be mean and insult you for no reason but seriously go back and read your post.
>porn is ok because it makes my dick feel good
You're a hedonist
>black people fucked up Africa
I agree, but black people have been given an opportunity in America not to be niggers, and it worked for some... but very few, and that's all thanks to the Jew. They could have been better
>I don't care about perpetuation of my genes or the white race I'm going to be dead in a short time soon
No confidence. You don't feel good enough about yourself to pass on a legacy. You have nothing to offer to the world.
>not to mention have an over 50% chance of getting divorced and fucked over so hard I become an indentured slave by the government
First of all, prenup. Second of all, most of the world are a bunch of fucking normie cucks who have no idea how to pick a mate, rush into marriage out of tradition and because they're thinking with their dick and not their brains and then get fucked.
Be better than that. I've been married for 10 years and all is well.
>>74058237
Cool, what specifically? Just wondering how you get to travel for your work. I'm a web developer and I'd love to be able to do the same.
>>74058423
>Cool, what specifically
Don't really want to get into specifics if you don't mind, I work for a french company who posted me to Japan.
>>74058472
Cool man. Enjoy.
>>74057298
>>74058388
When did all this shit stopped being common knowledge?
>>74058570
The 1960s
>>74058570
It's eternal summer around here these days.
>>74058388
>hedonist
Idk if saying one activity (sex with a more skilled girl) is more pleasurable than another activity (sex with a virgin) makes me a hedonist but ok, even if that was/is what I am what is wrong with hedonism if that's someone's choice and value system?
>blaming black failure largely on another race
are we liberal now? Are rap songs really the only reason most african americans behave similar in the US to how they behave in Africa and not perhaps lower IQ and more aggression on average?
>you have no confidence, nothing to offer the world
I literally just don't want to have to work 10x harder and have way less freedom to raise a kid, and have no desire that would outweigh these costs
>2016
>thinking prenup saves people
ok
>>74055050
Progressivism is all about promoting new degenerate values.
For example, men sticking their dicks up each others' asses. Or letting people claim to be a sex they are not.
And it doesn't stop. By it's very nature, with it's rejection of traditional values, progressivism continues to promote more and more new degenerate values (and call it "progress"). Because progressivism works to implement widespread societal change in small incremental steps -- a slippery slope.
Progressives promoted gay marriage yesterday. One day it will be child marriage.
Progressives cite old laws saying those old laws really mean this now, and rely on activist judges to make radical new reinterpretations of laws, instead of letting the lawmaking process take its course. That way they don't even need lawmakers to agree with them, just a liberal progressive judge legislating from the bench. It's an end-run around lawmaking.
>>74059076
For example, this lady who arguest that "gender is more than just anatomy":
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/14/opinion/gender-is-more-than-just-anatomy.html
>In the original bill, Title VII prohibited on-the-job discrimination only on the basis of race, color, national origin and religion. But shortly before it passed the House, Representative Howard Smith of Virginia added “sex” — perhaps as a poison pill, or to protect white women as well as black women. In any case, because the amendment was made during floor debate, we have almost no record of what representatives were thinking when they voted on it.
>North Carolina’s supporters don't get that sex is about more than just anatomy. It also includes family roles, romantic desires, cultural expectations and ideas of masculinity and femininity.
Which is total fucking bullshit.
So because one guy included "sex" in a bill in 1964, suddenly gender-segregated bathrooms are newly reinterpreted as by idiots over 50 years later as "discriminatory", because nowadays people "tolerate" insane people who claim to be a sex they are not.
>Does Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which bars discrimination because of sex, also prohibit discrimination because of gender identity?
No, it doesn't. Because the concept of "gender identity" didn't even exist in 1964, every third party knew what gender a person was just by looking. In today's society of forced tolerance, now you have to ask someone what gender they feel like, and nobody can doubt it.
"Gender identity" is unfalsifiable, unscientific, bullshit.
>>74056470
Degeneracy is when a society has fallen from it's glory days and is in decline.
Degeneracy is when time-tested traditional values are attacked, and new untested values are forced on everyone for the sake of "progress." The new values may sound good on paper, but have not survived thousands of years of real world testing, and so typically disrupt society in a negative way, either due to unintended consequences, or by design, by accident, etc.
And you can't blame war on religion, because the animal kingdom has no religion, and it's still a daily brutal struggle for existence.
You seriously can't think of anything that could be called "degenerate"?
Say a king forces you to eat his shit every day. That is degenerate. Do you understand why?
>>74059472
would you rather live in the 1950s then? When do you think the glory days were?
I'm just confused why you named this phenomenon degeneracy when it literally is generating more ideas and behaviors. You could have called it debauchery or something
>>74059736
>would you rather live in the 1950s then?
Obviously.
Anyone who says no is an idiot.
>I'm just confused why you named this phenomenon degeneracy when it literally is generating more ideas and behaviors.
Not all ideas and behaviors are of the same value or merit. I know that's a hard concept for a relativist like yourself to wrap your head around.
For instance, the lifestyle of marrying a wife and having kids is superior to the lifestyle of participating in drug fuelled gay orgies.
>>74056793
>These things do strengthen some things like freedom of expression, making sex easier to get, etc. It doesn't strengthen the family unit but why does it matter if they don't? Porn encourages women and men to get hotter and learn how to have sex better, same with twerking. Rap encourages people to learn how to rap, be witty and tougher and stand up for themselves. They vastly inspired many artists and made the hip hop community
For example, valuing individualism and "freedom of expression" over the family unit is degenerate, because the nuclear family unit has existed for millions of years and is the only reason you exist right now. Attacking the nuclear family unit is like climbing to the top of a ladder then shooting the legs out from under you.
And ultimately, the main reason why "freedom of expressions" is promoted is because in late-stage capitalism, brands exist to sell "identitites" to people. That is why multinational corporations love any product or law where "freedom of expression" is valued, because it plays into advertising and companies can claim that buying their product is all about a consumer's individual freedom of expression. Corporations hope consumers will craft identities based on their products.
Porn is degenerate, twerking is degenerate, rap is degenerate. And you can see the effects of those things on black communities and female teenagers in general.
>Peggy Sue Got Sexted: The Perils of Growing Up Female Online
>http://www.newsweek.com/peggy-sue-sexted-perils-growing-female-online-459427
>there’s a sexting ring in every school. These are amateur porn sites. There’s a whole minimizing thing that goes on, like, “It’s just a prank.” But it leads to terrible cyberbullying and sometimes suicide.
So there's a clear unintended consequence of smartphones. But also, since access to smartphones is framed as "freedom of expression", the promotion of them tends to gloss over the actual human suffering that goes into making them.
>>74059841
is it because you think it was easier to find a faithful wife back in the 1950s?
Also what is your argument that marrying a wife and having kids is the most superior life stye?
What if in the future it becomes possible to clone and genetically engineer people would it then be superior to do that?
>>74059736
Large human socities are at their strongest, when duty and strong traditional morales are forged to the behaviour of the citizens.
The more we drift from these, the more corrupt we become, we slowly start abandoning what we used to deem good and strong. This is usually replaced with wealth being more desirable than being a good citizen (this shows in our popular culture, where we start abandoning our former heroes and start deeming wealthy people as our new idols etc)
And this has been repeated over and over again, never spawning anything glorious. It just marks the beginning of an end to our civilization.
Humans are doomed to never learn from past mistakes on a grander scale
>>74056793
get the fuck out of my country
>>74058103
>I don't care about perpetuation of my genes or the white race I'm going to be dead in a short time soon
That's what makes you degenerate. You have no stake in the future of humanity so you fill your life with hedonism and parasitism. But your "me first" attititude is great for multinational corporations who only view you as dollar signs and not a real human being.
You're a product of advertising. Advertising has raised you. Advertisers have replaced your parents. That is degenerate.
>>74060232
I wouldn't be surprised if the parents are already the advertisers and keep on loosening the values of their children. People raised this way have a very hard time thinking for themselves
>>74060232
>have a "me first" attitude
>am planning on not marrying or having children, so I will literally require like 5-10x less services and goods from multinational corps. and governments.
>Thinking this will benefit my slave masters more than if I was a good goy with a family so I had to work 10x harder for them to afford it.
>it's not like faschist governments throughout history never promoted child birth as a way to allow themselves to profit, no no
>>74060095
>is it because you think it was easier to find a faithful wife back in the 1950s?
No, it's because the 1950s were far less degenerate. People valued civility, hard work, and good ethics. As a result a lot of the social ills which today plague the West were underdevelopped. Crime was very low. Communities were very tight nit. There were far fewer cases of mental illness. Drug addiction was literally unheard of (aside from alcohol).
Also, the economy was booming. There was literally no better time to be a working class american/european than the 1950s.
>Also what is your argument that marrying a wife and having kids is the most superior life stye?
I really want to say "use your brain you stupid nigger" but I realize that you've been so brainwashed maybe you actually genuinely don't understand how marrying and having kids is better than going to gay orgies.
Let me explain. A society, for it to prosper and last a long time, must continually create and educate new generations of people who will take over the society when the previous generation dies. The main center of education of the new generation is the education it receives from its parents. I'm not talking about calculus here, I'm talking about what you could call "good values", what was once called virtue.
The destruction of the family unit has a disastrous effect on this "home education" of kids. A simple look at the sad state of niggers in America should suffice to convince you of that. Mere decades ago, black americans had similar rates of unemployment than white americans, and although higher than their white counterparts they had significantly lower rates of crime and illegitimacy than today's niggers. And this was at the time were blacks lived under Jim Crow, which kind of puts a nail in the coffin of the theory that "racism" is the cause of nigger underachievement.
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>>74059067
>what is wrong with hedonism if that's someone's choice and value system?
Hedonism values personal pleasure as the highest human virtue. Think of a Wall Street stockbroker drinking a latte as he walks past a starving homeless veteran. Hedonism holds that all the suffering in the world is worth it simply for my pleasure, "as long as I got mine."
Framing hedonism as just another life choice (like a consumer choosing Coke or Pepsi) is degenerate.
Hedonism is also what leads to the cult of political correctness:
>atheist liberal/hedonist behaviour: they dedicate their life to the pursuit of pleasures, but since there is no external authority which would guarantee them personal space for this pursuit, they get entangled in a thick network of self-imposed "Politically Correct" regulations, as if they are answerable to a superego far more severe than that of the traditional morality. They thus become obsessed with the concern that, in pursuing their pleasures, they may violate the space of others, and so regulate their behaviour by adopting detailed prescriptions about how to avoid "harassing" others, along with the no less complex regime of the care-of-the-self (physical fitness, health food, spiritual relaxation, and so on).
>Today, nothing is more oppressive and regulated than being a simple hedonist.
>Are rap songs really the only reason most african americans behave similar in the US to how they behave in Africa and not perhaps lower IQ and more aggression on average?
I don't know how many blacks in Africa live in father-absent homes, but in the US it's 2/3. You can believe that rap has a negative influence on black culture in America. There are all kinds of stories about Africans coming to live in America and saying they had to "learn how to be black" in America (conform to US black culture).
>>74060095
>>74060541
Study upon study shows of the disastrous effect of the destruction of the family unit on children : children from broken homes are far more likely to commit crime, act unruly in class, drop out, take drugs, etc.. At this point I'm not going to spoonfeed you, just google it.
Another important fact about the destruction of the family unit is that it causes low birth rates. A nation cannot exist without people, and if its people stop reproducing it has to import people from outside. Unfortunately, all the civilized peoples in the world (north americans, europeans and east asians) have low fertility rates. The USA and europe have chosen to solve this problem by importing third worlders, who are of inferior racial and cultural stock to the natives, which causes a lot of problems.
>What if in the future it becomes possible to clone and genetically engineer people would it then be superior to do that?
Probably not. Humans are not products in a factory line, it takes a lot more than merely food and shelter to properly raise a child. A society based on clones would probably not last a very long time.
Anyways, resorting to such hypotheticals shows the shallowness of your arguments. You're basically a low IQ blue pilled reddit nigger who has never attempted to think in your entire life.
/pol/ is the loser that tells people to never try to be winners
>>74060489
And this just shows how degenerate our society is.
Work is deemed for the wealth it brings, instead of the sense of duty, wanting to be part of traditions and wanting to benefit others in your society.
Family is deemed as a burden, it lowers the now desired wealth, instead of the values that families represent and that you might actually want your society to have a future through your children who have the same sense of citizenship as their parents.
All of this just pulls us apart, individualists can't form a strong society with achievable goals in mind.
Instead of action - we promote debating and useless talking
Instead of taking education as a ways to improve yourself and become useful - we deem education as a mean to obtain wealth
I mean, I could go on and on what's wrong with the current mindset of the whole world, but why speak about common knowledge if one is unable to comprehend it
>>74060751
fuck you piece of shit. All you're doing is describing to me how behaviors damage the current society, I am already aware of that. What I'm asking is for you to provide a MORAL argument for why the preservation of society in it's current state is objectively superior to anything else. Not state that it is.
Look at the tiny flag next to my ID.
Just 15 years ago I would have been proud of it.
We are the very definition of degeneracy and for us it's not a meme or any kind of joke. It's too late for us and I dont care about people poking fun at us but I would ask you to atleast take learning from our demise.
>>74061036
get out now while you still can
>>74059736
>would you rather live in the 1950s then? When do you think the glory days were?
Yes. The contrast between then and now is striking. Different minority groups have gained more rights since then, but has society gotten stronger or weaker? Now a family needs two incomes just to live, so who raises the children? Television, advertisers, corporations (who promote hedonism as a virtue).
Watch the film Requiem for the American Dream with Noam Chomsky. The biggest thing now is job uncertainty, and in the US only 7% of people who work for private companies are in unions. This gives corporations huge power over employees.
Corporations have given people all kinds of platforms to "let their voice be heard" (that is, let their consumer voice be heard), but society isn't better off, income inequality is greater than ever before.
So the rich can keep throwing "identity politics" wins to the masses, while keeping their wealth intact, and extracting more of it from the stupid masses.
>I'm just confused why you named this phenomenon degeneracy when it literally is generating more ideas and behaviors. You could have called it debauchery or something
Well, debauchery is a synonym for degeneracy.
>degeneracy: the state or property of being degenerate.
>synonyms: corruption, decadence, moral decay, dissipation, dissolution, profligacy, vice, immorality, sin, sinfulness, ungodliness; debauchery;
Corporations are happy to defend immorality because profit is the only virtue they value. Corporations don't care if consumers are moral or immoral, just that they have money to spend.
>>74060924
>fuck you piece of shit
Did I trigger the nigger?
>What I'm asking is for you to provide a MORAL argument for why the preservation of society in it's current state is objectively superior to anything else.
Jesus, what a nihilistic world view. I'm starting to think you're jewish, lots of jews have this urge to destruct what is good.
Why do I want to preserve my society? Because I believe that western civilization is the highest form of civilization and the one I would most want to live in.
The reason why societies exist is actually written in the US constitution: they find their moral justification in their promise to make easier "the pursuit of happiness" of its citizens. That is their sole justification for existing.
You can actually quantify how well a society enables its citizens to pursue happiness. Western countries do a pretty fine job. Not as good as a job as during the last century, but still a pretty good job.
Countries such as Iran, which is an islamic theocracy, and North Korea, which is a totalitarian communist dictatorship (or even monarchy, at this point...) do not do a very good job at ensuring its citizens the right to pursue happiness.
Do you understand or is your tiny brain overwhelmed by facts and logic?
>>74060924
>>74061233
And before you reply with another relativist question like "lol but happiness is subjective XD", not it's not you nigger kike.
>>74061318
so hedonism is bad....
but government (a group of people claiming to represent others but require the threat and use of force to get them to do their own will supposedly) is good because.... it makes it easier to pursue happiness for the citizens?
>>74061473
Yes, it's hard to pursue happiness in total anarchy. Relinquishing some freedom is necessary for social stability. The question is which freedom, to what degree, and other such considerations.
You know this was basically solved 3 centuries ago by the enlightenment philosophers, right? Probably not, I guess your knowledge is primarily derived from MTV.
Anyways, if you think that the US government is oh so oppressive feel free to move to Syria, there are many areas there without governance nowadays.
>>74061473
The current forms of government are far from what they used to be.
I doubt not a single reasonable person would like to support a single form of government that are in most big countries today.
Degeneracy is not only tied to citizens themselves, but it also affects everything higher up
>>74060095
>is it because you think it was easier to find a faithful wife back in the 1950s?
It was. But people in the 1950s also had more buying power. A man could graduate high school, get a job, buy a car, buy a house, support a wife and kids by himself, etc. And divorce wasn't just an unhappy or bored whim away. Because people recognized that 24/7 selfish personal happiness or "fulfillment" (or "finding yourself") was not the highest human virtue. They realized that life on Earth was not all about them.
But advertising has gotten much more refined over time, so it persuades people to be individualistic (while also conforming to peer pressure), to forget about traditonal values and put yourself first, you're lacking because you lack this product, and you need this product, you deserve it, it will finally make you happy (but it never does).
>What if in the future it becomes possible to clone and genetically engineer people would it then be superior to do that?
Only if females have been corrupted since the 1950s (they have) and marrying a wife and having kids becomes unfeasible (and it has).
Due to the promotion of degenerate values, suddenly something as artificial and synthetic as cloning or genetic engineering becomes palatable, and you can believe there will be scores of corporations looking to profit who don't care about the nuclear family unit, only money. They don't care about the ethics of it. They don't care if someone thinks it's morally wrong. They only care about money.
Moral relativism is degenerate. And it takes moral relativism for someone to say that genetic engineering of humans is a good idea (as if it wouldn't just lead to more inequality).
You have to separate corporations' pursuit of profit from personal values and virtues, because corporations only want consumers to have the virtues they are selling.
>>74060489
I doubt that you not having children is related to concerns you have about sustainability, or overpopulation.
It's more likely based on you not wanting to put someone's needs before your own.
And since you don't plan on having children, that means your country may be overrun by people with an entirely different culture. Since countries with low birth rates make up for it with immigration.
The new culture's values may be a lot different from your own. For example, Islam.
>>74060845
It's degenerate to sort humans beings into categories of "winner" or "loser" based on the size of their wallet.
The myth of the American dream is that everbody is born a loser who can become a winner through hard work (or taking out loans).
>>74062035
It's based on both. The muslim immigrapists are coming anyway. I'll fight them when they attack me.
>>74062274
So what exactly makes you define everything through individualist needs? Don't you have any sense of community at all?
Where have your virtues gone?
>>74061473
Law and order does make it easier for citizens to pursue happiness, because people can be free to actually pursue things that make them happy, instead of constantly worrying about dying in a violent way (like in the animal kingdom).
>>74055050
because acting like uninhibited monkeys has been tried before.
> Hence degenerate.
> Hence the " animals fuck everything and anything why shouldn't humans, its natural" excuse of degenerates.
>>74062379
virtue, being a good person, getting validated by your parents and community i.e. behavior that is positively reinforced (trained like a dog, remember how your parents called you a good boy for following their orders)
>being so cucked and subservient to others that your definition of what makes you a valuable person and gives your life meaning is based entirely on what they want from you
Where have your balls gone?
>>74062490
Order and peaceful neighbors do, I don't see why law is necessary for that. If you are that worried of a thug mugging you carry a gun, surround yourself with family and neighbors who also can shoot and will defend you to deter would be attackers. I don't see you bitching about how government thugs steal a significant fraction of your $ every year does that make you happy?
>>74055050
the funny thing is I legit do not care what other people do with their own lives, everyone other than me could be on heroin all day and I wouldn't care, but I myself have never done any drugs, drunk alcohol, smoked a cigarette, had casual sex, watch porn or even own a phone, unlike everyone on here who talks shit about degeneracy and is most likely an internet addict porn addict weed smoking alcoholic anime fan trap fapping NEET on welfare if I know my 4chan demopgrahics
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>Order and peaceful neighbors do, I don't see why law is necessary for that. If you are that worried of a thug mugging you carry a gun, surround yourself with family and neighbors who also can shoot and will defend you to deter would be attackers. I don't see you bitching about how government thugs steal a significant fraction of your $ every year does that make you happy?
Do lawless societies have the most peace? No, there's a reason that "lawless" is synonymous with "crime ridden hellhole." Look at the lawless places in Africa. Look at lawless places in America. Look at the animal kingdom, which has no laws, except the "law of the jungle." Look at under the ocean, where it's 24/7 murder and a struggle for survival. There's a reason that people in lawless human societies start to resemble savage animals, because without the law there is only violence and savagery. (Although some might argue that some human socities don't have "laws" per se, just extremely strong social norms, typically based on tradition or religion or supernatural beliefs).
If people could be trusted to behave on their own, the law would not even be necessary. But people want to murder others, so homicide is made illegal. And people want to rape others, so rape is made illegal. And people want to scam others out of money, so fraud is made illegal. Etc. And people have a desire for vengeance, so accepted forms of vengeance are coded into law.
I do think there is something much simpler about a society where disputes are quickly handled with the death of the offender, but most people don't want live in the Wild West, where anyone with a gun has the final say. However, I think the law is much too soft in many cases, and that leaves people feeling powerless, with little recourse except vigilantism and "taking the law into their own hands."
I think income taxes are bullshit. Some countries don't have them and they haven't broken out into chaos. Governments have existed without them.
