Just got yelled at by my family for saying vaccines don't cause autism. I need some good proof that they don't.
Please and thank you
>>73981054
Burden of proof is on them, considering there's literally no evidence for them causing autism.
>>73981090
They just said "they've done studies and there's actually something to it"
They arent the type to actually research things. I figured shoving actual rvidence down their throat would solve things.
>>73981054
what caused your autism then?
>>73981248
SAVAGE
>>73981054
Ask them if having Polio or Measels is fun.
Then tell them that vaccines fix that.
>>73981223
>they've done studies and there's actually something to it
Tell them to show you those studies.
>>73981401
They just change the topic and walk away acting like theyre right
>>73981223
Make sure to point them to the original study done by that one guy who actually fabricated most of hist results and was shunned from the science community because of it.
The one study that basically every anti-vaccine argument originally comes from.
Alternatively, make an appeal to the age of vaccines, dating back to the Polio vaccine, and if vaccines did cause autism, why didn't we see a sky rocket in autism back then?
Also remind them that autism rates may appear to be going up today, but that's actually autism discovery rates, not exactly more people getting autism, just more people being diagnosed because autism is now understood better and also understood to be a spectrum, from high functioning to squealing retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo
>>73981623
I told them about the faked study. They said they know somebody who it happened to and they're convinced it's true.
The FDA literally admits it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0glbc0S3sA
>>73981054
It's irrelevant whether they do or not. Even the most anti-vaccine studies there is show the risk to be minimal compared to the lives saved by vaccines.
>>73981533
Then they're retards and not worth arguing with.
>>73981910
So because the risk is minimal I should take the risk. Nice logic cuck, just like letting those refugees in huh? Risk sure was MINIMAL their and aren't you glad your country took it :^^^^^)
>>73981054
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
>>73981793
Linking SIDS to vaccInes. Jesus Christ, I hope you don't allow fluoride in your water.
>>73982046
If you haven't been vaccinated and you didn't get sick, it's because of the umbrella effect, not because you are so smart for not getting vaccinated
Unless they are trying to stop your kid from getting vaccinated in the middle of a whooping cough outbreak there is absolutely no point in having this debate. Dont get involved in pointless arguments, save your energy
the lancer retracted the ONE paper about it an apologized, there is literally NO proof and the only people preaching it are cafe mom blogs.
>>73982046
No, the benefit far outweighs (the disputed) possible side effects. If 1% of all vaccine takers get autism that irrelevant compared to tens of percent of the population that will get diseases that will kill or permanently disable the people who gets them.
>>73981054
Well seeing as the guy who made the studied had his medical license taken off him after scientists couldn't replicate the results he got in his "studies" I'd say you should be the one asking them for proof that they do
http://healthland.time.com/2010/05/24/doctor-behind-vaccine-autism-link-loses-license/
>>73981248
well, sounds like his parents are already retarded
>>73981054
> I need some good proof that they don't.
I see that logical argumentation isn't your family strength.
EVEN IF they caused autism, which they don't, a one in a hundred thousand case is totally worth it containing those illnesses from decimating the population.
>>73982046
Yeah. The risk of gun crime or accidental shootings is minimal, that's why we should ban all guns.
>>73982132
oops was supposed to be for >>73981090
>>73981054
Does it really make a difference? You know what, if they didn't vaccinate you, you should persist in arguing pointless things with old fucks just to prove that you can get autism irregardless of vaccines.
>>73982288
Yeah and if 1% of all refugees are ISIS militants that's irrelevant compared to the tens of percent of refugees that are honest good people who are looking for asylum!
>>73982400
If Vaccines do cause autism, it's due only to the preservatives used in them.
The bigger cause of Autism are aged parents and chemicals in the environment
Older parents = Aged Gametocytes = Higher mutations due to genetic instability.
>>73981793
This
And China.... before vaxx .0004% autism....after vaxx 2.6%.
http://yournewswire.com/autism-rates-explode-in-asia-after-introducing-western-vaccines/
Not sure if the government wants to poison people with vaccines and extort money from medicine, or manipulating people to stay unprotected and extort money from medicine.
>>73982415
That's like saying we should ban automobiles because the risk of getting in a fatal accident is minimal. Nice logic retard
>>73982562
Someone refute this
>>73982674
That's your logic senpai, not mine.
>We shouldn't get vaccines because we don't want to increase a minimal risk
>We shouldn't have guns because we don't want to increase a minimal risk
>>73982926
Rates of mental retardation have gone down at almost exactly the same rate autism has gone up.
You know what else we introduced with western vaccines? Western psychiatry.
>>73981054
It causes autism. Proof: Three witness rule.
>>73981223
That one study was funded by a vested interest and thrown out and discredited by basically everyone with any expertise in the topic.
Your family does not have proof that vaccines cause autism either though.
>>73982253
>the lancer retracted the ONE paper about it an apologized
Yeah man. Totally legit. Lol.
Autism is caused by mothers having children aged like 32 instead of 20 like they were 100 years ago.
>Pharmacology is infallible
>Praise science
this is how you libturds come across
>>73981054
Your family lives in the fucking middle ages lol
>>73981054
Best to avoid the issue and find a new, less tinfoil hat family.
>>73983516
>the only study linking MMR to autism was funded by a vested interest, had a sample size in the single digits and was quickly thrown out under peer review
>hurrr durr science is a libruls!!!!
>>73984245
Can you stop shitting up my thread?
>>73983837
>mfw 6k mmr and autistic
>>73984322
I haven't posted the worst ones yet.
>>73983837
>Autism is the only problem "anti-vaxxers" have with vaccination
Yea I'm sure the companies who make millions off vaccines have no vested interest
oh wait they are shielded from direct lawsuits by the government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFY5dRD4aWA
>>73981054
The only paper in a peer reviewed journal that ever made this claim was published 20-something years ago and was almost immediately exposed as a fraud.
>>73981623
Autism spectrum : high functioning, squealing retard, 4chan user, in that order
>>73984322
Just get vaccinated. Go to the doc, get another MMR, get Pneumonia, Meningitis, Tetanus, Hep A & B, and Gardasil.
Make sure you have it on video.
Show them.
so many paid shills in this thread.
>>73985085
What about this one?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
>>73985437
>vaccines given since the 1940s
>no autism increase
>Jenny McCarthy, a playboy model says vaccines cause autism, not the fact that she was in her late 30s
yeahok.bmp
Dumb cunts on facebook posting bullshit causes autism.
>>73983516
Praise science indeed. It's nice to be able to yell at each other on the internet in the comfort of our air conditioned homes, not worrying about what we'll eat or (for most of us) the quality of our water. It was hardly a century ago that most pepole even in the west didn't recieve adequate nutrition. There were (and are) many terrible diseases, and vaccines have gone a long way on that front. Anti vaxxers aren't taken seriously because they're shrill and obnoxious.
>>73985720
>Anti vaxxers aren't taken seriously because they're shrill and obnoxious.
But they create small communities where they grow feed each other, rendering vaccines effects over population less effective. Antivax are worse than cancer.
>>73985452
Bollocks.
99% of children receiving vaccinations and 0.1% of them showing signs of autism is not a fucking correlation.
Like ADD before it, Autism is just the latest "trend" in psychiatry - overdiagnosed and overtreated. And you can already see "transgenderism" poising itself as the next big trend.
I guarantee within the next five years you'll see some bullshit papers claiming gluten causes gender dysphoria or some horseshit.
![piratesarecool4[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/1ARGZce.gif "piratesarecool4[1].gif")
You can't really prove a negative. And people who want to believe this dumb shit can never be talked out of it.
There's a strong correlation between vaccinations and autism diagnosis. The same way the lack of pirates correlates to global warming.
>>73985994
Hmmm, yes, I will regard your personal non scientific anecdote in higher regard than peer reviewed studies.
>>73982520
Weak bait, buddy.
>>73986230
Enjoy Mohammad's cock.
ITT a group of shills from reddit try to create a general group consensus regarding vaccines.
>>73981054
read or listen to the book Panic Virus.
It's the best book on the history of the invention of this meme. it also slams you over the head with so much evidence that you can convince any new age plebe.
>>73985720
yes, praise science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
bow to the alter of the state!
>>73986366
this
i feel like i woke up one morning and every man and his dog was an expert on vaccines
>>73986366
Says the guy who gets his science news from kikebook
>>73986366
Consensus was reached 50 years ago, you delusional twat.
>>73986484
1) That was ethically wrong
2) The state isn't responsible for science
3) Niggers aren't actually people
>>73983247
sexy leopard babe
>>73986173
NCBI has information on 285 books and 1706 peer-reviewed papers discussing autism and vaccination.
You found one paper. One paper that doesn't describe a causal relationship between them. Doesn't show evidence of a strong correlation. One paper that argues 'a possible correlation that warrants further study'.
THAT is why nobody takes this shit seriously.
>>73986646
Maybe we should just pay attention to you know, the people who are actually experts in vaccines.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html
>>73986790
Warrants further study but according to yall the science is settled
>>73985720
This post on politically INcorrect. Fucking reddit..
>muh air-conditioning.
>Implying I care about that
>implying less people die because le science
>implying global corporate hegemony is a fair price to pay for porn and quadcopters
>>73987191
nice deflection schlomo
>>73986843
>>73987014
There are still people in my field who publish shit on "the electric universe" model or "modified Newtonian dynamics" as alternatives to General Relativity. For every one of these papers you can find a thousand publishing conclusive evidence in support of GR. That doesn't mean GR is on shaky ground.
You found one paper that claims there's a weak correlation that warrants further study. There's another ~1700 or so that disagree.
That's what we generally call "settled" in peer-reviewed research.
>>73981054
Check out the package inserts provided by the very manufacturer. It's not like the government has paid millions of dollars to settle autism cases!
>>73981054
look for
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>>73987530
>"we"
oh so you're a scientist? please tell me your qualification
>>73987425
Dumping Vaccine Info:
GlaxoSmithKline saw profits rise to £2.2bn in first quarter thanks to swine flu vaccine
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/apr/28/glaxo-pharmaceuticals-sales-figures
CSL Projects Profit Drop as Swine Flu Pandemic Ends, Cutting Vaccine Sales
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-17/csl-s-annual-profit-falls-8-percent-as-currency-losses-undercut-drug-sales.html
CIA organised fake vaccination drive to get Osama bin Laden's family DNA
Senior Pakistani doctor who organised vaccine programme in Abbottabad arrested by ISI for working with US agents
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna
CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THGbJnpywyw
CDC Epidemiologist Whistleblower Confirms New Review Showing Vaccine Autism Link
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-epidemiologist-whistleblower-confirms-new-review-showing-vaccine-autism-link-2014-09-11
Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Their MMR Vaccine Claims
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html
Narcolepsy link to Glaxo vaccine poses challenge for FDA
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/07/us-glaxo-narcolepsy-fda-idUSBRE9261D520130307
England too finds narcolepsy link with pandemic flu vaccine
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2013/02/england-too-finds-narcolepsy-link-with-pandemic-flu-vaccine.html
>>73987907
The Link Between an H1N1 Vaccine and Narcolepsy
http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/10/the-link-between-an-h1n1-vaccine-and-narcolepsy/
Swine flu shot linked to narcolepsy, study finds
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/26/17106380-swine-flu-shot-linked-to-narcolepsy-study-finds?lite
Why flu vaccine may cause narcolepsy
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkup/2011/02/why_flu_vaccine_may_cause_narc.html
Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html
CDC Report Stirs Controversy For Merck's Gardasil Vaccine
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717
Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html
CDC Report Stirs Controversy For Merck's Gardasil Vaccine
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717
Mystery illness hits girls in small South American town
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mystery-illness-hits-girls-in-small-south-american-town/
Controversial vaccine studies: Why is Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation under fire from critics in India?
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-08-31/news/53413161_1_hpv-vaccine-cervarix-human-papilloma-virus
>>73987740
I would assume a postgrad student in Physics, given the context of his post.
>>73987949
HPV vaccine Gardasil recalled over glass shards in vials
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hpv-vaccine-gardasil-voluntarily-recalled-due-to-glass-shards-in-some-vials/
Generic Lipitor lots recalled due to glass particles; Ranbaxy yanks 40 lots of the cholesterol drug
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/generic-lipitor-yanked-due-glass-particles-article-1.1208239
Israel to pay $6 million compensation to anthrax vaccine trial subjects
http://rt.com/news/anthrax-israel-idf-vaccine-compensation-536/
Baxter admits flu product contained live bird flu virus
http://www.ctvnews.ca/baxter-admits-flu-product-contained-live-bird-flu-virus-1.374503
Uptick in Whooping Cough Linked to Subpar Vaccines
http://news.sciencemag.org/2013/05/uptick-whooping-cough-linked-subpar-vaccines
When polio vaccine backfired / Tainted batches killed 10 and paralyzed 164
http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/When-polio-vaccine-backfired-Tainted-batches-2677525.php
Polio vaccine suspected in death of girl aged 3
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2000/05/18/national/polio-vaccine-suspected-in-death-of-girl-aged-3/#.UumghPuCnn4
Some Oral Poliovirus Vaccines Were Contaminated with Infectious SV40 after 1961
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/65/22/10273.long
Rise in paralysis cases after polio vaccine
https://web.archive.org/web/20120416101114/http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/thiruvananthapuram/rise-paralysis-cases-after-polio-vaccine-234
https://youtu.be/oVnuFY20st0?t=1m39s
>>73988004
>linking to Cuckox
Don't do that.
>>73987907
There are thousands of articles which say the opposite of your silly nonsense and it's just an excuse by you to not make a real argument. That's fine. Dumb people will be convinced I'm sure.
>>73987989
Best leaf
>>73985994
people already claim gluten causes autism
>>73987989
Thousands of children in Irish care homes at centre of 'baby graves scandal' were used in secret vaccine trials in the 1930s
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2650475/More-mass-baby-graves-Ireland-Prime-Minister-Enda-Kenny-orders-investigation-memorial-800-dead-babies-planned.html
Syrian children's deaths 'caused by vaccine mix-up'
Medics carrying out a vaccination programme in rebel-held northern Syria accidentally administered a muscle relaxant to up to 75 children, killing 15 of them, the opposition says.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29251329
Vaccine Mix-Up In Syria Not Uncommon In US, Canada
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/09/18/syrian-infant-deaths-vaccine-mixups-with-atracurium-not-uncommon/
>>73988310
The swine flu fraud of 1976, on 60 Minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8elE7Ct1jWw&t=6m37s
Government to get special swine flu vaccine
http://www.thelocal.de/20091018/22649
Second-Class Medicine: Germans Unhappy with Alternative Swine Flu Vaccine for Politicians
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/second-class-medicine-germans-unhappy-with-alternative-swine-flu-vaccine-for-politicians-a-656028.html
In Germany, a Better Vaccine for Politicians?
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1932366,00.html
>>73981248
We don't really know. Most likely genetics. Some kinds of trauma can cause it to surface, but it won't happen, unless you already had it in your genes. My parents, who are both doctors, once told me that there is one vaccine application when child is in the age when the autism is most likely to be diagnosed ( both in non vaccined and vaccined kids so there's no causation). The myth might be caused by retard deduction
>>73988257
Thanks, Sven. I woke up to this bullshit today (pic related), so the issue has been on my mind.
If I am forced to attend this course I will be bringing so much redpilling material with me... All "skeptical" people who attend with me will leave even more certain of their position.
>>73988141
It's not the number of articles you goddamn illiterate! It's the fact that vaccines are pushed through the state apparatus by financial interests under the guise of being some goodwill project to protect us against some invisible threat.
Fact is vaccines fuck up all the time and their benefit is often questionable, as in h1n1 for example.
>>73981323
>>73981054
Basically this. Really the argument should be, is being scared of what vaccines might do more important than say dying of what its proven to protect against?
Besides I read that autism is more to do with what women are taking during pregnancy like antidepressants and what not
Correlation isn't causation.
The only decent hypothesis regarding something causing autism is antibiotics. I'm on my phone so I can't explain it, but just Google it.
I'm actually with my cousin who has the spergs so AMA.
>>73981054
>American Education
How can anyone come with the idea that vaccines cause autism?
Kek
>>73988141
Okay. The point is that I trust neither big pharma nor government to have my best interests at heart.
Have you been under a fucking rock man? Why would you give them a mandate to inject you with god-knows-what whenever they feel like adding a new vaccine to their list?!?
Honestly.. the "science" of vaccines may be good... but it DOES NOT prove that the organizations and governments pushing them are doing so with our health in mind!
>>73989042
If your kids don't get the vaccine, the effects over the population get lowered. In fact, you get a free ride thanks to the big majority of the population using the vaccine. If it was just about you then nobody would care if only your children die, but you put in danger the rest.
>>73987740
ABD physics, specializing in fusion and laboratory plasmas. My dissertation defense is scheduled for this Fall, looking at how time-dependent, state-changing processes like ionization, recombination, charging, etc effect the behavior of a complex plasma.
>>73989442
interesting. hope it goes well.
>>73989435
As I said, I do not care about the "benefits" touted by "science" when I do not trust the organizations that produce these results.
>>73989435
https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/zika-virus-outbreak-and-the-vaccine-industry
Our three returning guests join us for a discussion on the dangerous affair of vaccines and the misleading propaganda being peddled by infectious disease agencies. We begin with an in-depth look into the latest “outbreak” hysteria centered on Zika, where the main controversy of the mosquito born virus cropping up in Brazil is being linked to microcephaly in newborn babies by the World Health Organization. Jon gives the generalities of the fraudulent science backing the WHO’s claims and he explains how this scare is being used as a psyop to cover up another serious problem. Sherri talks about the recent MMR vaccine campaign that led to the re-vaccination of around 39,000 women of child bearing age in Brazil, and she lays out how the Zika virus being labeled as an international emergency could allow an epic opportunity for the big-pharma-funded FDA to roll out a mass utilization of untested vaccinations. In addition, we get into the incestuous affairs of the “virus hunter” branch of the CDC, along with their ties to the mainstream press and the giant pesticide corporations that are making big bucks in Brazil.
>>73990007
https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/vaccine-wars-disneyland-measles-outbreak-and-the-synthetic-population
Jon Rappoport is an investigative journalist, author and publisher of the website nomorefakenews.com. He has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health. He returns to give a continuation on the unfolding vaccine scandal. This time we look at the claim that Disneyland was at the center of a recent measles outbreak. Jon details the fraud of so called "herd immunity." We also discuss the attack on parents who choose to not vaccinate their children as the Center for Disease Control (CDC) and the media have joined forced to begin the push for mandatory vaccination. We'll talk about the key studies, the efficacy of vaccinations and real statistics when it comes to vaccine damage in the United States. The MMR vaccine and autism has been known by the CDC for many years, but continues to be denied. Jon tells us more about what he calls the advent of the "synthetic population." In the second hour, we discuss what you can do to opt-out of vaccinations and what options are available to parents who don't want to jeopardize the health of their children. We continue on the incentives for the vaccine lobby and the political revolving-door between government and the pharmaceutical industry. Further, we speak on the pathology of ABC news anchor Brian Williams, who recently was caught lying and exaggerating his involvement in certain stories. This brings us to the issue of the crumbling US health care system and how Obama Care will be the final nail in the coffin of health care choices. We end on the control of the media and how many stories that should be major exclusives are simply avoided and omitted.
>>73990108
https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/technocratic-takeover-pc-universities-mandatory-vaccines-and-erasing-instinct
Darrell Y. Hamamoto is a professor of Asian American Studies at the University of California, Davis. He is the author of a handbook directed to college and university-age youth disillusioned with academic orthdoxy and political correctness titled “New World Order Theory For Students.” Darrell describes the politically oppressive environment at UC Davis where, like most institutions of education, cultural Marxism in all of its politically correct forms is relentlessly promoted to students. He talks about how a particular Asian American servitor of empire achieved the ushering through of California’s senate bill 277, removing personal exemptions for vaccine requirements of children. Darrell relates how this type of policy making extends to immigration concepts and rulings that are designed as means for the NWO to gain technocratic control of US citizens by blending out sovereignty. Then, we discuss issues related to Japan’s shifting demographics, including the feminization of men and the affinity for artificial intelligence and robotics that came as a response to the country’s lack in reproduction. In the members’ segment, we bounce back to the subject California’s mandatory vaccination bill and the rising opposition that is exposing the mad vaccine regime and faulty science, resulting in a major threat to the tyrannical medical system. Then, we get into artificial intelligence and robotics technologies that are being used for social control experimentation on children via seemingly innocuous toys called ‘relational artifacts.’ Later, we take a look at the inundation of pornography and oversexualized propaganda currently flooding the internet, including the newly popular ‘Hijab porn.’
>>73988399
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8elE7Ct1jWw&t=6m37s
wow. thanks for posting this.
>>73984447
>tfw 2.9k mmr and smoke weed every game
old sperm and/or old eggs mean higher rates of autism. people are holding off babymaking to pursue their meaningless and mediocre careers.
>>73981054
Test
>I made an argument to someone without any evidence and they called me out
>I need the evidence now
Fuck you you fucking cunt you teenage bastards are the ones ruining this board and making it look like fucking Tumblr.
Kill yourself you retarded faggot.
>>73988786
Sweden knows what's up.
