Hey /pol/, what % of "New Atheists" do you estimate to be anti-SJW, anti-regressive, non-cucks?
I'm an atheist myself and I absolutely loathe the smugness and ignorance of my former fellow travellers.
Any way to bring more of them out of degeneracy?
>>73866966
Not many.
>>73866966
I'm one of them. It's probably common on /pol/.
>>73866966
Conservative atheist here.
I think it's strange that there aren't more conservative atheists because wouldn't that be the pinnacle of libertarianism. Leads me to believe the progressives are only becoming atheists to seem smarter or hate the traditional values of society.
>>73866966
I'm one. And not many. Most atheists are Bernie-loving feminist numale cucks.
>>73867478
It's literally replacing belief in god with belief in the state. The religiosity is still there.
Nationalist athiest here.
Conservativsm is too weak to stop degeneracy.
>>73867540
I have gone through this "atheist-libertarian / conservative phase". You will grow out of it, everyone eventually does.
What about someone like Sam Harris. He's certainly anti-Islam and calls out the regressive left frequently, I don't know if he hates black people enough for /pol/ though
>>73866966
> Lack belief in the supernatural.
> Let me tell you why i'm your intellectual superior, untermenchen.
Fuck off.
>cuckservatives
>>73867623
tfw at least it wasn't a communist phase.
>>73866966
I'm an atheist and I'm anti-SJW etc. Not because I'm conservative though, but because I jewishly enjoy social turmoil and because I want to be able to say nigger.
>>73867623
What comes after "conservative atheism"? Many atheists I know are already culturally Christian, but they still don't actually believe in a supernatural mind. They just act like it's obvious God is not actually an actual being that performs miracles.
You're still an atheist even if you're culturally Christian. You don't suddenly believe that weeping statues actually weep.
all hail thunderf00t
>>73867728
Good for you. Many youths go through a communist phase. I never really did, al though I love Russian communist music and admire the progress of China (although communist in name, China has a fascist economy.).
>>73867774
are you me
>>73867871
I'm probably a lot of people here, at least those of you who have been around for a decade like I have. 4chan is in a conservative phase because it's the current counterculture. I'm just in it for the lulz.
>>73867794
One day you will realize that it all comes down to two things in life. Are you willing to be defeated, or are you willing to win.
>>73867623
I already grew out of the "le edgy atheist" phase in high school. I'm cool with spirituality, and acknowledge that a Christian society is better for all. But I still don't believe in any god.
>>73867621
lol i laughed at that for some reason
To make a statement that there is no god, while the universe, life and death is still a mystery, makes no sense.
To make a statement that there is a god when there is no real proof other than questions not being answered, also makes no sense.
Being open to both possibilities but never picking a side is truly the only answer to the question of whether or not there is an existence of god.
But what do I know? I'm just a lousy wishy-washy no good fence sitting cunt.
>>73868017
>>73866966
I've never really gotten this degenerate atheism, all the atheists I know of (and myself) are pretty conservative, anti-SJW, anti-multiculti. Maybe it's just different in Finland?
>>73868040
You're thinking about it too hard. Just pick what makes the most sense and roll with it. Nobody in real life cares about how rigorous your reasoning is.
>>73867965
I neither believe in a god. In fact, I should left the ''atheist'' part away. You'll grow out of the ''libertarian / conservative phase'' once your head falls out of the philosophical clouds of mind, back down to pragmatist earth, and the matters of real life smacks you right in the face. You'll see it's a completely useless ideology, that is naturally doomed to fail and to be conquered by those whom nature favours, the strong.
>>73866966
Stop LARPing! "Atheist" is just another meme to be edgy. Reject all labels!
>>73868040
Intellectually, agnosticism is the best position. But from a pragmatic point of view, you either act as if a personal God exists, or as if one doesn't.
I don't believe a God exists, but I'm starting to see how thinking in terms of God is a useful intuition pump to make people take better decisions.
Christianity and especially organized Christianity is really cool, but really badly explained.
>>73866966
Did you ever attacked the church anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1mKVYtJMf4
Lel go screech somewhere else
>>73868341
And how long did it take you to find that out? For Christ sake, Europe was built upon Christianity. Suddenly getting rid of all cultural and moral foundations it provided in a mere generations could lead to disastrous results for the continent.
But that's again a result of free press and freedom of speech. It's weak. Both of those ''freedoms'' merely means giving your enemy the opportunity to infiltrate your country, indoctrinate your people and make it collapse.
Most ex-communist states that didn't convert to any religion are mostly both atheist and conservative/nationalist
>>73868190
I agree with you. Following ideologies and philosophies is not how real life works.
I mean "atheist" and "conservatives" as loose labels, not as personal identities. If you don't expect miracles to happen and don't believe they ever have, you're an atheist as far as I'm concerned.
If you don't live with your head in the clouds, and deal with real life issues, then you're a "conservative" (in the sense that you accept the world is as it is and run with it). Might as well use "pragmatist" to avoid confusion.
I think most are. Nearly every new age right-wing individual isn't devout(I realize it's an autistic extreme but the stuff people write on here isn't in accordance with christian teachings). You have a good bit of LARPers that don't know much about the faith past crusader memes or cultural christians that like to bring up faith in order to juxtapose islam, but I'd say only ~20% are decent Christians or theists in general. Genuine Christians tend to be of the neocon or Ted Cruz brand.
>>73866966
somewhere between conservative and libertarian
>>73868040
Atheism means not having faith that there is a god. Most agnostics by colloquial definitions are actually atheists.
>>73868473
I did attack the Church while I was religious. This "Christianity against organized religion". As is "spiritual but not religious".
When I stopped believing in miracles, I became more focused on knowing and understanding the world. Now I'm Church-friendly.
>>73868816
This "Christianity against organized religion" thing is CANCER. I missed the most important part.
>>73868687
Or to put it another way, Atheism/Theism relates to belief. Agnosticism/Gnosticism relates to knowledge. In other words:
Gnostic Theist - Knows there is a God
Gnostic Atheist - Knows there is no God
I realize that Agnosticism has colloquially come to be a middle ground between Gnostic versions of Atheism and Theism, but in reality both sides can be agnostic.
>>73866966
The only thing the world knows your country for is the awesome devout christian Vlad the Impaler.
He defeated and impaled Ottoman hordes who would otherwise murder rape and enslave the entirety of Europe.
Top kek no atheists who stand against evil lmao. Atheism the religion of just cuck my shit up senpai.
>>73866966
ATHIEST, CONSERVATIVE AND PROUD
>>73868520
>For Christ sake, Europe was built upon Christianity. Suddenly getting rid of all cultural and moral foundations it provided in a mere generations could lead to disastrous results for the continent.
I agree with that now. But I live in a part of Europe where Christianity was submissive to the Ottoman turks, later simply submitted to Communism and didn't do what Catholicism did. It just didn't make sense to speak of "Christianity" in general.
My Christianity was not your Christianity.
>>73867682
> Possess belief in the supernatural.
> Let me tell you why i'm your moral superior, sinner.
Is this really any better?
I am an atheist right-winger (not sure about conservative).
Firstly, you can't just chose to have faith. I wasn't raised religious, I've never had faith, and I can't just start having faith.
Secondly, Christianity lost. It lost. It's not the way forward. What do Christians say to neo-Pagans? They say that the pagans lost, that the Christians won, so why do they cling to a losing religion? Well the same applies to Christianity. Christianity has lost the West—it's a proven loser. No point clinging to the past.
>>73868578
>>73868578
>I agree with you. Following ideologies and philosophies is not how real life works.
I never said that. I just said that libertarianism is not how real life works.
Ideology can be a powerful tool to organize a collective group to overthrow your enemies. But libertarianism is inherently weak because it rests on the individual for protection and not on a group. The group will always conquer the individual. There's nothing preventing people in a real life-libertarian society (not an utopia) from collectively organizing and arming themselves to force upon others whatever system they favour, be it communism, fascism or even national socialism. The will of the individual will always be subjugated to the will of the majority. That is just how nature works and how humanity came this far. The world wasn't built upon individuals voluntarily working together to create a better world, the world was built on the dead bodies of soldiers who died fighting each other, from tribes to states and nations trying to conquer each other, upon the tremble of boots, force and labour and upon men who strive for great power. It's not nice, but that's how it is. Nature is inherently cruel, and so is man. That is why I am a strong proponent of ethical Eugenic programs. Only that way we can chance the genetic make up of human beings to be more perfect and less natural (and thus less violent, less destructive, more cooperative, more intelligent.) Plus with science we can get rid of genetic disease and all failures of nature. Scientists in Communist China, National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy got/get most state-funding for undertaking such scientific programs.
>>73869128
To prove his claims, Dracula sent several bags of Turkish heads, ears and noses to Budapest. The Hungarian king was not overly impressed but for a time people did begin to wonder if a new Hunyadi was in their midst? Despite his terrible reputation, he was a good warrior in an area that needed Christian warlords. They even held hope that he would prove as good a military warlord as Hunyadi had proven to be against the Turks, but they offered no aid. The French told him they were too busy in a war with England; the German Emperor said he could not depend on his princes; the Poles were fighting the Teutonic Order and the Italians asked for more money than Dracula could not afford to pay. He stood alone against the might of the Ottoman Empire.
>>73868880
Yup it is.
Did you sign the church petition regarding the constitution?
Also do you know what happened to it?
>>73869128
>The only thing the world knows your country for is the awesome devout christian Vlad the Impaler.
Yeah, imagine that: one guy in 1000 years of history. And he was put on the throne repeatedly by the Hungarian king, Matthias Corvinus, who removed lots of kebab himself.
>>73866966
I'm a libertarian atheist. Most people who call themselves atheist... aren't. A lot of them just worship something else as a God, but don't see it as such but it's not common to consider it as such. In the USSR, people worshiped the government as a God. They relied on it to provide and protect them, etc.
>>73868040
>But what do I know? I'm just a lousy wishy-washy no good fence sitting cunt.
No you're a retarded fucking coward who's too scared to just say they're an atheist and too stupid to realize all this "I don't have a position at all XD" shit doesn't fool anybody. Do you believe in god or not? It's a yes or no question, not having a position isn't an answer unless you're a fucking vegetable who is completely unaware of the world around them.
Hey /pol/ why is atheism associated with the left wing in the first place?
>>73869339
I don't know what happened to that petition. It sucks that basically all Romanian politicians who are anti-SJW / anti-degeneration are actually shilling for Putin and would gladly have us all suck Russian cock.
>>73867871
*fucking kidding
>>73866966
to find something is atheist, politically minded, white, and doesn't loath themselves is more rare than fucking diamonds.
TFW white atheist gf
>supports migrants
>supports Bernie
>gets mad at me when I bring up the cancer ideas that propagated at Universities
>gets mad when I condemn rioters that are linked to BLM and other things of that nature
feelsbadman
>>73869554
Because of communism. In the Soviet Union and older communist China religion was officially banned and atheism was the norm.
>>73869554
>Hey /pol/ why is atheism associated with the left wing in the first place?
Because those fedora retards are retards in general and you kinda have to be to fall for all the leftist lies. They're also pretty vocal which helped creating that image.
I think it's an American issue mostly, I haven't met one of those here.
>>73869647
Yup.
Either suck US cock or Rus cock. I just want a decent diplomat.
You could say I'm a conservative atheist, though that is only a product of our times.
>>73869728
I've met plenty here in aus, they were really common at uni.
>hurr durr religious people are dumb
>hurr durr religions brain wash people
>>73869780
I don't know where in the hell people from the small countries got this idea they somehow have sovereignty from, it sure as hell wasn't reality.
>>73869868
Nice to opinion Chinese Colony.
>>73869554
because both were seen as progressive ideas,
trying to undo the old order.
If you take white supremacy, fascism, militarism, eugenics, spartanism, and social Darwinism, toss in a bit of Nordic mythology combined with Christian & European elements, and blend it all together, you'll get a general idea of what Nazism is.
>>73869948
Where did I imply my country was any different Dracula?
yep. checking in brother. i don't believe in god, but was raised lutheran. I still think religion is good for most of society tho and don't get all the hate just because they repress gays and trannys. people need hope...im sure as an atheist you have found its hard to find a replacement for the shared ethos religion brings a person...being a white atheist conservative can be lonely.
>>73869554
Traditionally, atheism has been associated with the Left in Europe since before the French Revolution. Even then, "social progress" was associated with anti-clericalism. The Catholic Church represented "the old", that needed to be replaced with "the new" in a glorious revolution. Anarchists, nihilists, socialists, marxists etc. were all against Christianity and they instead worshiped Human Reason. Basically, they believed that if you could educate people out of religion, central planning would be within grasp.
In the US (New Atheism movement), atheism is left-wing because Republicans insist on saying stupid things that are then blown out of proportion by the liberal media.
For the mainstream, even before the epidemic of buzzwords (racism sexim homophobic bigot etc.) Republicans were "those crazy people who believe gays cause earthquakes and that the world was created 6000 years ago".
I remember that back in 2005 when the whole New Atheism thing started, Republicans trying to push Creationism in schools was the main topic. The whole New Atheism movement (that then enabled SJW to mainstream) is at least in part a result of "Teach the controversy".
Here were people who were claiming to represent the source of all civilization, and they kept focusing on teaching people that humanity came from a rib. I'm sorry to say it, but they are to blame for how it turned out. And all for a bunch of extra votes from the Bible Belt.
>>73870091
It would be a lot simpler if sand people religions weren't so dominant. Some of the christian churches are well removed from from them but when they still have the bible there's always a risk followers might devolve back into degenerates like American evangelicals.
>>73866966
>"New Atheists"
What is the fuck is a "new atheist"? I assume you're referring to the "giant faggot" variety. People can be giant faggots regardless which god they may or may not pray to. I loathe this erroneous association between the lack of belief in the absence of evidence and "I LOVE SUCKING COCKS #BLM OPEN ALL BORDERS #FEELTHEBERN #HEFORSHE #PROUDKEK" shit. I'd be willing to bet that a significant percentage of those giant faggots would identify as religious in some way. I don't care how many fedora pictures you guys toss out, this is one thing I will never agree with.
>>73870644
"New atheist" is a term originally meant to designate anyone who participated in this cultural trend started by Hitchens, Dawkins, Sam Harris and others a decade ago.
In the meanwhile, the "movement" separated in two. Atheism+ (atheism plus) became pro-social justice, while Hitchens (anti-Islam) died, and Sam Harris and Dawkins (anti-Islam) were denounced as white males.
I'm not sure the Atheism+ cucks have gained monopoly of the term. It would be sad if they did.
There are many people who side with Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens.
>>73870481
Christianity is weak because it is not united. Notice how Protestant countries are the ones where Islam and degeneracy have setttled best, and Orthodox countries are the ones where Communism thrived.
All of Christianity should unite under the next Pope, who will be a traditionalist, with any luck.
>>73869128
Vlad was defeated at the end of the day(I think he was beheaded and his head presented to mehmed II preserved in honey iirc) and his pro ottoman brother Radu was placed into power.
Thats kinda swept under the rug though the same way people overexacurate stefan the great but tend to be silent about the years between 1600 and 1878.
Romanians-Bulgarians etc should be gratefull to russia for freeing them from the ottoman yoke. Yet communism strained their relationship a bit.
>>73871102
>being a popefag
You don't fight globalism with globalism.
>>73866966
I'm atheist with a good amount of conservative leanings. I'm mostly libertarian though. Though, I'm wondering if I should even bother with labeling myself atheist anymore seeing as I follow a branch of philosophy almost like a religion nowadays. Just you know, without the worship or belief in a god.
Why hasn't there been an atheist revolution already? It's about time the ignorant religionists were toppled from power so we can finally ground our lives on something real like science instead of magic
>>73866966
Nationalist here. Atheist as well.
I guess I don't need faith, unlike my ancestors... because all I have to look up to are my ancestors.
>>73866966
im one
>>73866966
reporting in
>>73866966
So close to quints, but oh, so far.....
Nice dubs anyway
>>73871467
Religion and theism aren't the same thing. Ancestor worship is one of the oldest religions. We should bring it back.
>>73866966
Me. I want people to remain Christian/Catholic, however. Not everyone can be as enlightened by my own intelligence as I am. *tips fedora*
lel in all seriousness atheists can't do shit about Islam, only Christianity can. Will join Christianity in purging the Islamic filth. DEUS VULT
>>73871405
>blaspheming and disrespecting the loo
haram
>>73871788
Christianity lost against a bunch of fucking degenerates, how the fuck is it going to survive against people willing to fight? The West was once 99% Christian and look where we are now. Christianity already failed. Even if every Westerner was magically converted back to Christianity, why would it not just end up failing again?
If the pope called a crusade, I'd convert in an instant. But we both know he's not going to call a crusade, don't we?
We need something new that can capture the hearts of the people. Fascism is the only movement that managed that in the last millennium. Too bad it took over the wrong countries.
>>73871278
Catholicism was never about political union. In fact, Catholicism favoured the political fragmentation in Europe that prevented degeneracy of the kind they had in China.
Catholicism is about identity, while widely allowing for diversity in nationality and local traditions.
All schisms and reformations ultimately turned out to created isolated islands of Christianity that were easy prey.
The Middle East used to be far more Christian than it is now. Lebanon, Syria, others, all had Christians. But disconnected from Christendom, they couldn't stand up to Islam.
>>73871788
Atheists don't need large numbers, it is through our shared intellect that we will be capable of overcoming religious hegemony. For instance by the use of autonomous drones we can exterminate all theistic power from this world
>>73871158
Your Empire was dead by the time Russia freed us. We proved that when we kicked your ass out of Europe in the coming wars.
>>73872074
Fascism failed as well. And it only lasted for a decade. Christianity meanwhile lasted for far longer than that and isn't gone yet, not by far.
Western Europe degenerated because they faced no external enemies so they had to invent internal ones.
>>73872109
Except Catholicism is purely political. It was formed using forgery and latin rite was created without the Catholics ever attending a council and speaking.
>>73872255
Fascism failed militarily not culturally. If America and Russia had been fascist and Germany liberal or communist, would things be different? But one could argue that fascism will only catch on in countries that are in dire straits to start with, like Germany and Italy, and therefore not capable of winning world wars, or that had there not been war, once Germany had recovered economically, fascism would have fallen out of favour and not lasted two millennia like Christianity. But then, do we need a two-thousand-year ideology right now? They did after all manage a genocide before they lost, and the West will be in dire straits soon.
>>73872109
Catholics are freaking evil man, imagine how much farther science would have come had it not been for set backs like the Inquisition and the Dark Ages where scientists were constantly harassed and even murdered
>>73867631
>anti Islam
>pro gun
>pro torture
>presents the most plausible case of biological determinism vs. "free will" yet
>thinks spiritual experiences are real at a brain-level and that is precisely why he stands against religion
>regularly berates the New Atheists movement and called for a name change
>researches theories about the holographic universe, the simulation argument, AI uprising etc.
And this is just what he does publicly. I think it's fair to say that he is redpilled but hides his real powerlevel, much like Hitchens.
>>73870951
The degenerates were largely purged from the mainstream of movement atheism. Mostly by their own actions: they moved into their own heavily moderated Safe Spaces and there policed each other's ideological purity until all was silence.
Occasionally there's an outbreak of activity, when a leader figure falls from grace; last I heard they'd turned on Ophelia Benson for insufficient orthodoxy in her views about gender. Rarely does any of this trouble the rest of us the way it used to.
>>73866966
Most people on /pol/ fit that description. I have a tough time believing any serious Christian would ever go near 4chan, too.
>>73872563
>imagine no Christianity
>imagine 1683 without Christianity
We'd all literally write in Arabic right now... if computers would even be created, let alone the Net.
>>73872074
The last conservative pope went full retard and tried to ban children's books because muh sorcery. Then he got jewed by a cuck pope.
For now there's nationalism on the rise to inspire people. Straya can't into religion but will import terrorists, so the least we can do is spread nationalist anti-islamic values.
>tfw SEA shitskin wanting political parties that might remove me
I'm agnostic, gay, but hold mostly conservative/libertarian viewpoints (anti-SJW, anti-illegal immigration, pro-2A, would prefer a nuclear family, etc)
Current bf is pro-Trump and our first date was a gun range.
There's a few of us, but we're not very vocal. SJWs are the most vocal types, and they seem to speak for everyone nowadays.
>>73872128
m8 you have bigger problems than religion.
sanitation and hygiene, for example
>>73866966
you dont have to be conservative to be anti-sjw
>>73866966
Aethiest racist here. Social conservative anti free market.
>>73873119
The whole history is the story of the struggle between ignorant theists and oppressed atheists, so I doubt the dirty people who think germs = demons are atheists
>>73872260
>Except Catholicism is purely political. It was formed using forgery and latin rite was created without the Catholics ever attending a council and speaking.
On the "Catholicism is purely political" part I recommend that you read the Catechism and other Catholic literature.
The whole point of political Catholicism is that politics are explicitly seen as a means to an end, never an end in itself. There is a Papal Encyclical against socialism that criticizes socialism exactly for being "only political".
Please read this stuff, it's important.
Catholicism has proven itself by not succumbing to Islam or Communism. Other variants of Christianity did one of those or both.
>>73867631
Sam Harris is a fucking Jew. He's pushing a Jew agenda and pretending to be an atheist. Sam Harris should gas himself.
>>73866966
>>73867478
Molyneux made a great video about this, he described it as a bunch of pillars, pillars representing irrationality.
We all love it when people are able to knock down other peoples pillars (in arheists case it's religion) but we go super aggresive and defensive when people try and knock down our own pillars (in (most)atheists case the state)
>>73866966
This, friend. I also ride bikes a lot which means I spend about 90% of my time being in the closet because atheists and cyclists both tend to be massive faggots.
>>73867623
>Mfw I went through a commie phase
Mfw I have no face
>>73872714
That's assuming Islam would have developed without Christianity existing first.
>>73876771
its likely it would have. Islam wasn't very dependent on Christianity, and Muhamed was a master military strategist, it was in his blood.
>>73872563
imagine how far your plumbing could have gone if you would just fucking poo in loo
I think most people on /pol/ would fall under that title.
>>73866966
yes i'm here
>>73866966
I dont worship or subjugate myself to any form of god, but I don't deny the possibility of there being one.
Does this make me an atheist?
Anyway, yes I'm anti sjw, anti degeneracy and so on, as are most of my friends, none of wich are religious btw.
The religious ones seem to tolerate them more tbqh.
I don't identify as an atheist because of all the lefties and unnecessary "hatred" towards Christianity.
I believe in a greater force, but i don't think it is a god, rather just nature.
I think that the bible is greatly misinterpreted.
>>73870020
Its always been that way. We've just been passed from Britain, to America, and then to China. Unless you have gargantuan influence or leverage over a majority, then you have to suck the cock of some greater entity.
>>73869128
>Top kek no atheists who stand against evil lmao. Atheism the religion of just cuck my shit up senpai
>Atheism the religion of just cuck my shit up senpai
>Atheism the religion
>Atheism.
>Religion.
You don't get the point of atheism do you?
You got to be retarded to believe in religion
>>73866966
Ah you'd actually be surprised, where I live most people are actually atheist, they just don't spout on about it. Being atheist is the norm of our generation and had the same split of libtards, sjws and conservatives. This is just for my age group though of early to mid 20s, older generations probably have the more conservative Christians
>>73881356
I myself was never raised to follow any religion so i naturally ended up atheist and have never once met a fedora tier atheist. When discussing religion we just don't understand how someone can be religious but we don't criticise them. We just mostly my find it funny if it doesn't directly harm us which it nearly never does
>>73868523
What about the Central Asian/Caucasus republics? The Baltic states are pretty Westernised so the lack of religion doesn't surprise me.
>>73869554
Goes all the way back to the Enlightenment and French Revolution. The Cult of Reason, secularism etc.
Personally I'm agnostic. I can recognise the value of Christianity though and think most people in the modern era are degenerate.
I am right wing, anti-socialist, antiSJW. Is most called "common sense".
When you become sceptical of everything you stop believing in religion and everything that is not factual or well arguments, in other words you start to see the world as is.
