The more I work shit paying jobs, the more I am starting to believe he was right.
please elaborate, what kind of jobs?
>>73834853
You're probably the definition of the entitled loser asshole at work who expects to get more than he works for.
What work have you done OP and for how long?
>>73834853
You don't think the Soviet Union wasn't full of shit jobs?
>>73834853
stop working shit paying jobs and get a better paying one, then
>The more I work shit paying jobs
There. There's the problem.
>>73834959
>>73835017
call centre
hello internet servings providings
>be underqualified NEET britcuck
>muh bennies
>>73834853
>/pol/ supports the working class!
>national socialists!
>globalists hate working class folks!
>Trump is the revenge of blue collar folks!
(...)
>FUCKING LOSER! JUST GET A BETTER JOB OR A RICH UNCLE LIKE MYSELF!
>>73835017
yeah, but you actually got stuff in exchange for shit jobs there besides credit card debt and buying some plutocrat another senator
learn a trade cuck
>>73835171
Call center employee?
In America we call them "Motherfuckers".
>>73835171
Wow, you get to sit on your ass in an office and talk to people all day. Maybe if you were in sanitation or a goddam manual laborer lifting half your body weight for 14 hours a day and getting paid shit, you'd have a reason to complain.
>>73834853
He certainly was not right.
He was only to the right of California politicians LOL.
Interesting IDs in this thread
>>73835100
THIS IS SOMEONES DAUGHTER YOU SICK FUCK GO BACK TO 4CHAN
>>73834853
stop working shit jobs then, unless you have no skills...in which case you are as good as trash
>>73835248
>i love my job but i wish it paid better
ITS YOUR FAULT YOU SHOULD HAVE A STEM DEGREE
>i make good money but i hate my job
IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING YOU ENJOY
there's just no winning
There were shit jobs in the USSR, too. You just didn't complain otherwise your body was dumped into a ditch.
>>73835394
I'm thinking of moving into manual labor next.
>>73835531
I want to get good skills becausxe I'm capable of so much more but I cannot see a route out of my current predicament. Everything requires financial investment and I am in debt, therefore I have little spending or saving money.
>>73835255
No you didn't get stuff. You had to wait in lines and had no variety of shit. Here you can run up credit card debit buying shit you can't even afford. It's your own stupidity you can't count how much money you have.
>>73835526
O-okay
>>73835609
we do the same thing here, just slower
Do a trade I dropped out of high school because I was an idiot and have no motivation but society still needs plumbers, electricians and will always need those jobs and they pay good as well.
>>73835086
>stop working shit paying jobs and get a better paying one, then
I need a job that pays me well. the problem is why the circlfuck logic the company's believe is this: You need experience to get a job.
like everyone want this when they will hire someone. and when there is no place for us to have jobs when they require experience i will never have experience because there are no jobs.
>>73835719
>I'm thinking of moving into manual labor next.
Yeah, you'll probably regret your decision once you start feeling chronic pain
>>73835867
No, we don't.
>>73835609
>You just didn't complain otherwise your body was dumped into a ditch.
No, people in Soviet Union complained a lot. Ditches were for nomenkaltura and uncooperative intelligentsia. Soviet people just had lousy jobs in backward countries, but were mostly left alone by the police. Why do you think the black markets worked so well? The party did not care.
>>73834853
i feel you man. i work in a place where people work less gets more money than what they are supposed to get and people who work hard get less than what it is supposed for them to get.
>>73835728
>didn't get stuff
>what is free higher education, medical care, childrens daycare, summer camps for your kids, etc etc
I'm not commie but you'd have to be ignorant of history to not know that the USSR really did provide some great free services to its people
>>73834853
Ice T?
>>73835305
I worked at a shithole like that too, its not necessarily the employees' fault that they're useless. Their hands are tied by the company. There were many times where I'd suggest just paying a small fee the customer was upset about but the bosses always preferred sending them to the cancellation department (probably because it was a different center.) These places breed apathy, I could see shitty agents all around me and it was clear why.
The company doesn't give a fuck about you, they hire hundreds of cheap workers who usually last under a year. There's a constant flow of workers which just heightens the alienation.
You are rarely able to provided for the customer and there's such a disconnect in the first place since its over the phone. There's no way to find joy in your work because you produce something intangible and most of your work is just damage control.
>>73836276
You forgot "shallow grave in the Ukraine."
In regards to everyone suggesting I learn a trade: I am in my last twenties. Nobody is going to hire me as an apprentice and I cannot survive on apprentice pay. How does one learn a trade and compete with 16/18 year olds?
>>73836061
structural unemployment, underemployment, prison, death by violence/od/suicide. entire sections of the american population are the human equivalent of a landfill. how is this not punishing the jobless?
>>73836276
Yeah, mostly that way they were so good at releasing people from their dreary and miserable lives. People really loved that most wonderful of government services, mass murder of citizens.
>>73836215
It is the same everyplace. More work, less money; less work, more money. Even in a single shop or factory, if you work harder you are only getting the same as other guys for more effort. Work slower than everyone else and you get the same money for less effort, as long as you do not get fired. That is why no one in capitalist countries works harder than the minimum average. It only means more work and not more pay.
>>73836439
>death by violence/od/suicide
These things surely didn't occur in commieland.
>>73834853
The only difference under communism is that the shit jobs don't pay any money and you can be shot for complaining about them.
>>73836428
>shallow grave in the Ukraine
The USSR certainly did go through some growing pains from the 20's-40's, but the 50's on was pretty comfy.
Besides, the people the USSR executed were in general the very same people /pol/ would want executed anyway: whiny progressives, corrupt beaurucrats/politicians, fags, and traitors.
>>73835100
>all that lint and shit on her ass
Jesus Christ you sloppy bitch get it together
>>73836590
actually, they didn't. why do you think the average life expectancy for russians cratered after 92?
>>73836430
a willingness to learn is what you actually need to become a apprentice, you are killing yourself with your attitude. there are trade schools that are incredibly cheap, you just gotta be determined.
>>73835591
You could try suicide.
Or just maybe idk use your local temp agency. Piece of shit. Just go with the first option instead
You know what pisses me off most of all about you stupid fuckers. You act like you're speaking for the working class as if we're all entitled fucks like you.
We're not. I don't have the best job in the world but I know how to climb up the ladder, get a raise and even a promotion.
So fuck you. Scum.
It's not /pol/ that's saying these things, it's the realistic working class that aren't fucking commies saying these things.
You're fucking pathetic.
>>73836547
Again, the USSR didn't exist entirely in the 1930's, you know. The violence of the first half of the 20th century was mostly nonexistent by the second half.
>>73834853
why dont you get a skill then you fucking arab faggot
>>73835978
Either get an education from a college or university program that you are interested in persuing as a career, or shut the fuck up with your entitled whinning and work that shitty job while letting your boss know that you are interested in advancing in the company you fucking work at, ask for opportunities to learn things, and one day you will have the experience to get that high paying cushy job you think you deserve because your father filled your mother with cum that resulted in you.
To stupid to understand? Stop being lazy and expecting a fucking hand out.
Don't forget: the USSR practically eradicated Islam within its borders.
How could you argue with that?
>>73836557
i wonder if the absolute laziest workers who are just there to collect a check were literally paid to stay out of those jobs the efficiency gain would even out the cost?
kind of like how the government pays farmers not to grow corn
>>73836728
>We're not. I don't have the best job in the world but I know how to climb up the ladder, get a raise and even a promotion.
Well I don't, I'm low IQ and want to learn how to progress. No need to be rude.
>>73835100
is this supposed to be attractive?
>>73836590
Less drugs and violence in the Soviet days. Less suicide, too, but that was still common. In China today, suicide is rampant, but they have problems not even Soviet Union did. Also, less immigration. Peoples could stay in their native lands and work. Now, open markets have caused old member countries to lose their industry and become just agricultural backwater and source of cheap labour for Russian Federation. Some peoples were oppressed, but things were getting better since Khrushchev.
>>73834853
>putting one hand in your pant pocket and the other in your coat pocket
>>73836557
in here you will be absolutely fired if you did not work hard and smart while your boss smokes a cigar.
my first job was working 12 hours daily no day free in a cafe. the only thing made me leave that shit is the high effort i do which is required for me to do without any extra and overtime. yet if i did a small mistake it will be accounted to me. now i work in a university. and i discovered a deep dark unwanted world in a corrupted organization that burns the economy to the ground while they dont care. even my boss complains about this shit but no one can do anything since the big man want it like that.
>>73836832
im working on my Microsoft certificate for windows server and windows 8.1/10. after that i will be getting compTIA A+
but still. getting a university degree wont help you and they will still not hire you for lacking experience which means this infinite loop have no stop as long it is being used.
The more I work shit paying jobs, the more I am starting to believe he was right.
>>73836640
underrated post
>>73836932
>Kazakhstan
>USSR eradicated Islam
>>73836690
>they didn't
Thank you for drinking the kommie kool-aid, komrade.
>>73837266
It did. You weren't even ALLOWED to be a Muslim, and could go to jail if you openly practiced it.
The commies would literally go door to door and force you to unveil your wife.
Islam only made a comeback after the Soviet days ended.
>>73835591
Work isn't fun. That why you're getting paid to do it
>>73837102
It must be a lot worse over where you are, my friend. Not so bad here, but the attitude is the same. I do not know if change can come from poor countries or the Emirates. Maybe Western peoples have to taste some of the struggle to learn to fight big money again. Hang in there, keep telling your story, and we will do what we can over here.
>>73834853
no luck in finding some kind of education leading to money eh. huh poor you nothing is ever your fault snowflake
>>73835100
>>73835763
>Literrally no ass
slavic """"""women"""""""
>>73836728
the irony of what you just said is that you actually believe in communist ideology, specifically the importance of labor. working hard to get ahead? you're a good stakhanovite and you don't even know it.
i bet you think workers should get a bonus if they beat their production quotas, too
>>73836736
Right, once life got a bit better, the government didn't need to release as many from their dreary existence. Hilarious how you excuse the murders of 100 million of their own people because they tapered off from 5 million a year in the 20s, 30s and 40s down to a piddly 500,000 or so per year in the 50s.
>>73834853
Does suck.
A de-restricted market with lower welfare and higher wages and lower immigration would be a better solution, since I could strike out on my own much easier or at least get more bang for my buck.
Fuck gommunism, it's just a different kind of slavery for a different kind of overlord.
>>73835086
Someone has to do the shit jobs anon, they are the foundation after all
>>73835100
>>73835763
more
>>73837461
Kuwait is nice tho (for working and getting money only alongside safety and the unimagineable nice people who will help when you are in a real in need). economy is fine. 1KWD = 3.2USD. it has strongest currency on earth for now. tax free for people. but if you bring stuff from outside you will be taxed. and if you are a company, corporation, etc... you will be taxed.
IF you want shitty country like how you described then it is our neighbors KSA. having shitty culture from shitty development to shitty humans rights and shitty economy that makes 1KWD = 12.44SAR
Also, we are slowly going back to our orthodox tradition and abandoning these shitty sectarian laws. we need time tho. lot of it.
>>73837675
Are you actually a communist, or are you just playing retarded on the internet?
>>73837723
>5 million a year
>500,000 a year
lmao
you really believe this?
>>73837558
Somebody will always have to do the worst jobs, so why should they have to do it for such bad pay? You can not tell every worker to go become a professional. Then a lot of professionals would just be working the same bad jobs with a lot of student debt too. People just want enough to have a dignified living and take care of family, maybe retire and spend time with grandchildren. How else are we supposed to pass on our legacy?
>>73837855
The USSR killed several hundred million of its own citizens.
>>73837196
Honestly this. Nazi economy was vastly better than the USSR economy ever was. But Hitler fucked it up by over extending his resources via invasions.
Had he stopped before Poland Nazi Germany would still be around and the USSR would have fallen 30 years earlier.
I've never understood why some workers were more inclined towards communism over national socialism aside from the fact that they were faggot liberals.
>>73837761
>>73837660
I like athletic pancake ass
>>73837855
There was an old Marxist called Lenin,
Who did two or three million men in.
That's a lot to have done in,
But where he did one in,
A Marxist called Stalin did ten in
Sure are a lot of temporarily embarrassed millionaires in here
HUR JUS GET A STEM DEGREE
>>73837946
>The USSR killed several hundred million of its own citizens
You seriously believe this? Fucking lmao.
The USSR never had more than 300 million in its total population at its peak, and you think they were killing 66% of their population?
Jesus fuck you're stupid
>>73837732
The eastern bloc restricted immigration for good reason. I'm not a communist but it's clear immigration is used as a ploy to hold down wages.
But the strange thing is, most modern communists love mass immigration and desperately try to play up the economic "benefits". Not only are these flimsy at best, but they prioritise economic growth before the needs of the people and the nation.
>>73834853
agree
>>73837805
I meant more the general area in which you live. Kuwait is pretty wealthy, I know, but surrounded by a lot of poverty. Also, I do not think even Kuwait has most of the labour protections United States does. For things to improve in West Asia, something has to change in the way this region relates to the West. I think that can only happen if the oligarchs here are checked by Western peoples. Peoples' struggles in poor countries can only do so much on their own.
>>73838122
>a bloo bloo bloo being successful is hard please papa gov't gibs me dat
This is why nobody will join your cause. Not just because it's illogical and asinine but, because you can't argue for shit. You could say a million things about our crony capitalist corporate oligarchy if you weren't a lemming whose only skill was complaining.
>>73838190
if Stalin was only alive to see this. he would not send them to the gulag. he would feed their parents with their children flesh.
>>73838051
Probably because we can see it from this side of the argument.
I understand fully why workers wanted communism back then, what I can't understand is why people still want it, after we've seen it in action and understand it.
>>73837819
if you work for wages to survive and you're not a communist i've got a bridge to sell you (with financing, naturally)
>>73838137
>The USSR never had more than 300 million in its total population at its peak
Right, because the other 200 million were murdered and not included in official documents.
inb4
>omg I cant believe u don't believe official USSR census lmao!
>>73836557
You do know that a lot of factories and such are not Union, Where I work if you are useless you get paid shit. If you are good at what you do you max out your pay except for cost of living raises which is a very decent wage.
>>73838516
I work for wages, and I'm not a communist.
>>73838603
I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or just legit retarded.
>>73834853
The more I meet whiny faggots like you, the more I am starting to believe he was right.
>>73838326
The facts lay bare and are observable to anybody who has actually done a days work before in their life.
The people in this thread roleplaying le epic cigar chomping fatcat industrialist in pinstripe suit and monacle, are children or college kids who recently discovered rand.
That ethos if "work hard and you'll progress" hasnt been true since the late 1970s. Wages have stagnated whilst the cost of living has skyrocketed and the richest have their taxes cut whilst the majority lose their welfare entitlement.
And yes, entitlement as in your parents have worked for 40 years paying into a system that can also support you when you fall on hard times. But keep up le gibsmedat may may you fat fuck
>>73838758
>I have all these facts but I can't summarily present the important ones
Didn't read past the first line, lemming.
>>73838709
I'm being 100% serious. Are you honestly fucking with me?
>Look, the USSR didn't do anything -- just look at the documents published by the USSR!
Circular logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
>>73838709
Ever considered that maybe you are the retarded one?
>>73838877
You'll learn when you leave your mothers basement and actually have to support yourself.
>>73838347
sjw's are the fifth column. they might as well be paid police agents for all the damage they do to the cause
first against the wall when the revolution comes. the college professors come next
>>73838887
You think Soviet citizens wouldn't have noticed 200 million people missing?
Like, if every other person in your town dissapearred, you don't think you'd fucking notice? Lmao fuck you're a dumbass
I don't want to work at all. I just want free shit. I'll even get a vasectomy.
>>73834853
>implying you wouldn't be working a shit 'paying' job in Communist Russia
>>73838982
Read the stickied image and tell me what you did wrong.
>>73838758
>roleplaying le epic cigar chomping fatcat industrialist in pinstripe suit and monacle, are children or college kids who recently discovered rand.
Fact: You can afford cigars and a pinstripe suit on a modern laborer's wage.
What the moguls of yesteryear considered lush living, we consider destitution.
For fuck's sake, people think having an internet connection paid for by the gov't is a human right, now.
>>73838758
Wouldn't be that hard to solve though. Just bring back Keynesian measures that the West and Japan had from 1945 to the 1980s.
Communism lost its appeal when it was clear Keynesian Capitalism and social democracy was a fairer and more prosperous path than Stalininsm.
>>73839042
Of course they noticed it. That's why so many of the survivors talked about the purges and gulags.
>>73838386
Talk to the old folks that remember the Soviet days. It was simple living, but things weren't so bad. Your image of things comes from cold war propaganda, and focuses on the problems of the nomenklatura and intelligentsia anyway. Things weren't perfect, some peoples had it a lot worse than others, but things were improving for working people overall. You could go to hospital without bills putting you on the street, always find work and not worry about starving. Everything is so uncertain now, crime is worse than ever, immigrant labour is causing cultural division and New Russians are keeping all the wealth of natural resources for themselves. I am not saying communism in the Soviet sense needs to come back, but things are worse in a lot of ways for working people.
>>73838975
Nope, because I'm not the moron who thinks the Soviet Union could have somehow killed 200 million of its own citizens in a country that never had more than 300 million citizens.
>>73835591
Strawmen, Strawmen everywhere.
>>73837894
I didn't go to college and I make over 6k a month playin in an excavator. You don't need a degree to make money. And I'm in BFE WV, what's your excuse?
>>73839180
>Everything is so uncertain now, crime is worse than ever
t. American Propagandist
>>73839165
>Of course they noticed it
I have family who lived in the ex-Soviet Union. They don't remember half the fucking people they knew being taken away.
Guess why? Because it didn't happen.
Like lmao. You guys think the holocaust (12 million people killed) was a hoax, but somehow the USSR could kill 200 mil and get away with it with no one noticing?
>>73837946
>>73837723
kek Burgers sure are brainwashed.
>>73838657
you should be, comrade. us workers need to cast off the capitalist parasite. we do the work and they skim the cream.
>>73837946
The USSR lost at the very most 20 million people in WWII and about 10 million during the famine. No massive loss of life happened post-stalin.
>not filching supplies from the office
>not intercepting messages from the higher up
>not using it to further your career
its like you fucks WANT to be poor
>>73839312
>I have family who lived in the ex-Soviet Union.
You're forgetting that there were class divisions even in the Soviet Union. Your family were probably part of the bougie upper class. That's why they survived. Most of the people who weren't have had their voices silenced.
Then you dumb cunts read some Marx, think it's a "bloody good idea" and come and spread communist propaganda for free.
Utterly moronic.
>>73839131
well, the architecture of the internet was developed with public money
>>73838644
I know there are some places where raises are determined by performance and are actually decent, but that isn't how it is for most. If hard work got a decent wage, who wouldn't work hard? Most places in the United States don't have a union, either, so wages are at the discretion of the bosses and are the lowest they can afford to pay. If you want more, too bad, there is always someone more desperate than you.
>>73839473
Are you implying that the losses the USSR suffered were specifically war and famine related?
>>73834853
The more work shit jobs in general the more I realize he was right. Here's a hint: Communism and straight ideological socialism never fixed anything.
Let's ask eastern Europe what they thought of communism
>>73839586
*I work hit jobs
Wew
>>73839569
Yes
>>73839541
>a kid who doesn't know jackshit
Yes Papa government made the internet as we know it
At the barest level it's the government who made
Praise Obama
>>73839665
I reiterate: you are suggesting that political dissidents were never slaughtered and that purges were manufactured western propaganda?
>>73839382
What good is it replacing the capitalist parasite with a bureaucratic-statist one? In the USSR the bureaucrats just replaced the business owners and ending up making even more of a mess.
Yes I'm aware there are different branches of communism, but the only one that ever exercised significant power was Leninism/Stalinism, which demands a powerful state.
>>73839670
All internet infrastructure worldwide is publicly owned by state telecom companies. Are you a retard?
>>73839507
>Get proven wrong
>B-BUT Y-YOUR FAMILY WAS P-PROBABLY blahblahblah
Nigger just stop talking.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and are just bullshitting whatever first comes out of your ass.
Again, I'm no commie but the amount of dumb nonsensical shit spewing out of your fingertips is hilarious. There was plenty wrong with the USSR, but your numbers are so off it's painful to read.
Like seriously you faggot, just read a book,
>>73839670
>arpanet
18+
>>73839165
Sure totally.
Preach it, comrade.
>>73839199
By that logic you can't believe more people have been killed than those that exist right now.
It took place over several years you fucking stooge.
>>73839735
Purges accounted for a negligible percentage of the total number. The vast majority of deaths came from the war and the devastating collectivist attempt at farming.
And it was never "hundreds of millions " you spastic
>>73839266
You are missing the point, friend. So you've got a nice job that pays well and didn't require professional training, and what? Most people still have to work bad jobs for bad pay, and most people will always have to work those bad jobs. Someone has got to. Why does that mean they have to get paid less than a decent living? You don't think folks with shit jobs try to get better ones? Most can't, some can, you did. If I clean toilets and my children will probably clean toilets, why shouldn't I get payed enough to at least give my children a life worth living, with some happiness and a family of their own to look forward to?
>>73839777
Yes and?
>>73839821
>ARPANET
I repeat Papa government made the internet as we know it
There was no thought of the internet before Papa government came up with it
Praise Obama
>>73839809
>Like seriously you faggot, just read a book,
I do, and that's how I know you're so full of shit. Learn about the past from people who WEREN'T party socialites.
Seriously, LEARN from the past so you don't repeat it, you complete cockhead.
>>73838603
you are A FUCKING RETARD mate the germans killed 27-29 million russians and stalin killed 30 million, mostly ukranians. that is 60 million dead russians last century, tops, and half of them were killed by the krauts. you are trolling right?
>>73835394
You are literally talking about bankers and high finance jews.
>>73839911
>Purges accounted for a negligible percentage of the total number.
How many?
>know a guy who works in a tech company in QA as a manager
>busts his ass every day, being the first one at work, and one of the last to leave
>has to deal with a lot of shit from higher-ups, gets work piled on his desk every day
>he's the only person at the company who can do all this, so if he decided to quit, the company would shit themselves trying to find a replacement
>found out that the ENTRY-LEVEL sales guys have a higher BASE salary than him
Remember, kids, you always get paid what you're worth. If you don't believe it, then you're a communist. :^)
>>73839902
>The USSR was killing over half its total population
>Somehow it still had positive population growth
Your sense of logic is really terrible m8
>>73839973
The point is your point is moot. You can spout braise obama :DDD but the fact is you're wrong and you got told.
>>73834853
Have fun with your famines and political executions.
>>73840021
>stalin killed 30 million
That's exactly what he'd have you believe. I'm amazed that the fucker has been dead for so long and he still has people believing his state-sponsored propaganda.
>>73839507
It was nomenklatura that got taken off by the police, not working people. These were party fraction games.
>>73840073
>>Somehow it still had positive population growth
t. Official USSR Census
>>73840034
Possibly a million or so.
But the point is, it's nowhere near 200 million.
>>73834853
Marx is right. Lenin was a psycholpath
>>73840052
>he thinks that's a direct quote
http://hellyesjohnsteinbeck.tumblr.com/post/23486952183/commonly-misquoted-socialism-never-took-root-in
WEW
>>73840099
stalin killing 30 million people was in no way public knowledge during his reign, it is only during Krushchev's destalinization that the soviets began admitting to some of this, the true depth of the holdomor wasn't revealed until the fall of communism. that being said, it wasn't 200 million people you are full of shit. source or shut the fuck up.
>>73840164
How many also died in the gulags?
>>73836728
there is was an expression how "every American thinks he is the next millionaire", and you post sums it up perfectly.
>>73839934
You think I started out here? I've worked fast food, I've worked sweeping factory floors, I've packed fucking shingles in the dead heat of summer... Yea some one has to do the shit work, but they're stepping stones, my friend. If you are content working for shit pay, stay there, if not, move the fuck on and work your way up. Very few people start out on top.
>>73840073
You must believe everything the government tells you.
Especially one under the pure corruption and hatred that was Stalin.
Your sense of critical thinking is really terrible m8
>>73840174
The necessities of revolution manifest themselves differently in every country. Given that Russia was a reactionary backwater Lenin's ideas are perfectly understandable.
>>73836428
>oy blyat It's like anudda hoholodomor
>>73840198
>implying I give a shit about who said it
>>73839772
it's no good at all, the state bureaucracy needs to be fought too. the corporate one is the far greater evil because it replicates all the failures the state bureaucracy with none of its benefits, and charges you rent to boot.
the difference is that the organized working class has recourse to the state where it doesn't to the capitalist
>>73840221
Destalinization was a contingency plan, and the gov't only admitted to a small percentage of their crimes.
>>73840246
Gulags were just prison camps. They weren't churning out mass murder on an industrial scale.
Why don't you just accept you got it wrong, and saying 200 million was a fucking retarded statement and literally impossible to even achieve.
>>73839911
> The first purge of the Joseph Stalin era took place in 1929–1930 in accordance with a resolution of the XVI Party Conference. More than 10 percent of the party members were purged.
>>73835100
she cannot have children. She is not fertile.
Please don't encourage infertility among white women.
>>73840221
>destalinization
Worst thing that happend to USSR. Besides Gorbachev, obviously.
>there are people who think a communist revolution is still viable
Let me remind you that living standards are completely different than they were even a hundred years ago but yes the worker is oppressed and will revolt
Please you people are sad
At least enter the pit of despair with the rest of us that revolt isn't gonna happen in the West
Ask yourself this
Is your neighbor willing to give up toilet paper? Kill a man?
No? Well congrats no revolution will occur
You can thank the 60s and the civil rights movement as well
That shifted thought from armed protests that often turned into fights to peaceful protests
>>73840457
>Peaceful protests have ever accomplished anything, ever, in all of history.
>>73837660
Nigger detected
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/63-of-americans-cant-afford-500-car-repair-or-1000-emergency-room-visit-300200097.html
>>73837035
Sorry to hear it OP, how low are we talking about? There is some good advice in this thread, ignore the hostile tones and take what you can.
Step 1: do a 168 hour breakdown of your average week
Step 2: dedicate x hours per day/week to looking for agencies/sites/people/ads that can help. Don't have time? Make it. You can find 5 hours a week, possibly easily.
Step 3: write everything down and I mean fucking everything. A question about a field? Write it down and the answer when you find it.
A useful site? Write it down with a note on what you learnt.
Step 4: start dedicating x hours a week to practicing some skill that is useful for a job you would rather have.
Step 5: start spending more tine with people that are like what you want to be and less with people who you don't want to be like.
Don't know anyone? Go to church, volunteer at a soup kitchen, look for and make opportunities to meet people.
I hope this helps OP. You can get there.
>>73834853
so you want everyone to work shitty jobs so you can feel better?
>>73840554
That's my point
>>73840412
>Gulags were just prison camps.
And I'm the ruddy Queen, God save her.
>Why don't you just accept you got it wrong
Absolutely not. I will not give in to Soviet state propaganda.
Also, I am blown away how many honest communists there are on /pol/. Idealistic children.
Fuck this "Marxism is for college students" meme.
I have worked 12 hours night shift in a factory for idiot supervisors and idiot owners, getting paid shit. Do you expect me to love capitalism after that.
The idea that capitalism is an ideal.efficient system can only be repeated by shills or people who have never seen a workplace in operation.
The idea that communism is the government owning the means of production is also a huge strawman.
Communism is the community owning the means of production. which is more effective, it gives incentive to automate and create a system which is effectively humans living off of automated labor. which is better than oligarchs living off the labor of other humans and forcing them to compete for stagnant wages while public infrastructure remains neglected and future environmental catastrophes remain unplanned for.
>>73840430
Remember the 600 million
>>73840272
You are repeating the same point. Most people don't get to move on from shit jobs. Most people are lucky to keep the shit jobs they have. I'm glad you don't have to work them anymore. I really am. Just don't try to pretend that the majority of working people get to wait a decade or two and then get a better job. Can you understand that? If the shit jobs don't pay enough for a dignified living and honourable retirement, then most people just don't get those things.
>>73840619
The thing is society hasn't really moved towards peaceful protests, riots still happen.
People are very aware that holding hands and singing kumbaya is a crock of shit now more than ever.
>>73840668
Was Russia communist?
I wish that everyone who yearns for communism experiences it
I truly do
>>73840037
just wait until one of the executive's friend's kid needs a job and they make your buddy train his own replacement
T A T A S
A
T
A
S
>>73840721
>If the shit jobs don't pay enough for a dignified living and honourable retirement, then most people just don't get those things.
If you don't work hard, why do you deserve the fruits of others labor? Being a doctor is considerably harder work than stocking shelves. Why should the compensation be equivalent?
>>73840246
how many people are in prison in the united states these days?
>>73840634
this must be b8
>>73840668
Go and live in China and tell me they are more efficient.
>>73840787
These people don't understand, Croatia. They are all western dummies that got sucked into it at University/College.
Please tell them.
>>73840634
You need to look at the facts, and another poster has already brought this to your attention.
The Russian population actually increased by 40 million people from 1939 to 1959 to 200 million people.
So when did this supposed 200 million disappear?
>>73840935
Nope, it's just the truth.
>>73840882
2.4 million people
>>73839568
Are you retarded? Employees, who always need productive workers, will never give workers incentive, but unions that don't benefit from increased productivity will? WTF is wrong with you?
>>73840593
One more tip:
Write a budget. Account for every fucking cent you spend. Then start cutting what you don't need and saving.
If you are willing to do those things you will get better and it will become habit and it will be easier.
If you aren't willing to do those things you are a parasite and you deserve your poverty you pleb.
Also read Scott Adams' book on success, there are some decent ideas.
Cunt.
>>73837946
>>73834961
>CEO in the American automobile industry
>gives himself several millions dollars in bonus every years
>Despite the fact his company couldn't keep functioning without corporate welfare
I guess you're right, OP who's probably flipping burgers nonstop 40 hours a week for less than 15k a year sure sounds entitled in comparison to that guy
>>73840668
ha yeah i envy people who think capitalism produces efficiency because they've never encountered middle management
>>73840668
>Communism is the community owning the means of production. which is more effective, it gives incentive to automate and create a system which is effectively humans living off of automated labor. which is better than oligarchs living off the labor of other humans and forcing them to compete for stagnant wages while public infrastructure remains neglected and future environmental catastrophes remain unplanned for.
Then why have all communist societies descended into genocide, stagnation and political oligarchies.
>>73841003
>The Russian population actually increased by 40 million people from 1939 to 1959 to 200 million people.
PER THE USSR CENSUS. NO STATE DOCUMENTS FROM THE PERIOD CAN BE TRUSTED.
Must I get Stefan Molyneux in here to direct you to "not an argument" before you realize that you can't use compromised documents as proof for your claim?
>Guys, smoking is fine. This study by Philip Morris says it's all dandy!
That's about the same.
>>73838758
We got rid of those when Stagflation hit. The Phillips curve was a correlation, not an economic fact.
>>73840634
m8 the only one who's given into propaganda is you
Again, I'm not a commie, but I've read the history and listened to first-hand accounts of people livening in the USSR. It wasn't the death-filled hellhole you so want to make it out to be.
Was it more comfy than living the west? In some ways yes, in most ways no. Was it a fucking meatgrinder of death and misery of epic proportions? Nah.
>>73840772
Not according to Marx's definition. It was a capitalist country with communist party rule. The party didn't claim Soviet Union was communist, anyway. They didn't even call it socialist, as something different from communism, until fairly late in Stalin's rule. Commodities were produced, State controlled means of production, and workers were paid a wage for their ability to work (labour power). That's capitalism, and only State control of capital made is distinct from the Western model.
>>73841189
So what documents are you using then, buddy?
The documents you found in your ass?
>responding to obvious and quite poor b8
>Lol, you're just brainwashed by Soviet propaganda.
>But I believe everything the US government and media says about the USSR is true.
Do anti-commies not see the irony in this?
>>73840867
Nothing in my post said professional and worker should be paid the same.
>>73840867
"Hard work" has nothing to do with it. A person who digs ditches works harder in one day than an office worker in his entire life.
deng xiaoping
>kids gets his first job
>complains that its hard and soul-sucking and generally a shitty experience he forces himself to go through
>waaahhh communism was right! waaaahhh fuck capitalism
Every time.
fyi I make 70k a year now and I'm 26 and I've had to go through more than 8 jobs varying from door to door salesman, cold caller, warehouse worker, garbage processor at recycling plant, data entry operator, and tourist guide.
I've done all of those jobs and went through the pain of it and interviewed multiple times at banks and failed multiple times and on my last try I actually got the job and now I have a cushy job with cushy benefits working at a bank.
My savings have grown, and I could probably do a down payment on a mortgage now, although I'm still debating buying a house.
Long story short, quit your complaining. A man works for a living. A woman complains.
>>73841220
>Not according to Marx's definition.
I guess it can't be counted as a success of communism, then. :^)
>>73841266
>So what documents are you using then, buddy?
The ones prepared by the US and GB during and slightly after the war, gathered through reconnaissance.
>>73841302
You're right, they left behind a wonderful legacy of a socialist utopian society.
>>73836547
[Citation needed]
>>73838051
>why some workers were more inclined towards communism over national socialism aside from the fact that they were faggot liberals.
Because they held resentment for their host countries Also a lot of the first commies/socialists and even anarchists in every movement were Jews and other almost nomadic groups. Their home was with their own kind and they held no love for their nation. Thats why Hitler had to get rid of them (initially just by deportation) because they were a wild card that had to be dealt with, same with gypsies and a few other groups.
>>73839042
In fairness there's ~65m people in this country and if ~22m went missing (assuming the Russian population was 300m and 100m disappeared) I very much doubt I would notice. Fuck, if the only people who didn't disappear were the people from your town and the people you see on tv you probably wouldn't even notice if billions of people went missing. I mean what the fuck are you, a census taker? The only reason you know how many people are even in a country is because the government tells you so, you don't know for sure. Stop being a fucking retard.
>>73841453
They did, it's better than when capitalism came to Russia and left 3.5% of the population homeless.
>25 years old
>only make $18/h
>have been making $18/h since graduating highschool
>went to trade school but couldn't find an apprenticeship afterwards, went back to being a labourer at $18/h
I should just kill myself, I keep trying to find better jobs but can never seem to get above fucking $18/h my life is a joke
>>73840941
Want a joke? It's rather abstract
What's the greatest sound in the world you can hear?
....
The footsteps of the secret police officer not stopping on your floor but going up the stairs.
The people in this thread don't understand that they are to intelligent for communism and that communism means the dumbest, smelliest, retard peasant is going to come bursting through your door, murdering your family and making moonshine in your bathtub because he has never bathed in his life.
>>73841390
Plenty of older people working for not much more than min wage. Your anecdote is meaningless, and doesn't reflect the situation of most of humanity.
>>73841338
Hard work isn't purely physical. That's why Marx's model was utter trash (not to mention he was a complete retard who didn't work a day in his life). It was focused on material goods as a result of manufacturing economies.
>>73841565
>USSR eliminated homelessness
STATE DOCUMENTS
NOT
ARGUMENT
LORD
HAVE
MERCY
>>73841044
I never said unions increase productivity. I said unions tend to increase wages. Please read more carefully. Employers need productive workers, but the unemployment line is enough incentive for the tastes of most of them. As long as capitalism exists, so will unemployment. As long as unemployment exists, desperation will force most workers to accept bad pay. As long as the only reason to work is just to hold onto a job, there's no reason to work harder than one has to. So, you work just hard enough to not be slower than the slowest guy.
>>73838729
BASED FUCKING PINOCHET
>>73839507
>the political elites got away scot free
That's exactly wrong. The political elites are the only ones who get cycled through. There is no reason to kill the poor, but plenty of reason to kill off the opposition. Learn how politics works, dumbass.
>>73841442
>I guess it can't be counted as a success of communism, then. :^)
It wasn't. Who said it was?
>>73841687
They probably did.
When you execute millions of people, it has a miraculous effect on the housing market.
>>73841630
Just because your old doesn't mean you are exempt from laziness and nihilism. There are people who grow old who have never pushed themselves beyond their comfort bubbles. They've never made themselves struggle beyond their everyday struggles to get to a destination they thought was not possible.
I pity those people. Every one of us is like me. I am not special. I just tried hard, and tried A LOT.
Get over yourself. There's no secret to better life that you're not privy to. It's just pure motivation and willpower. That's all it takes.
>>73841687
>What? Empirical data? Get this commie KGB subversion shit outta my face.
Fact: You can tell how legit a communist country is by whether or not the homeless population is above 0.
>>73841687
>>USSR eliminated homelessness
Actually, yes.
>>73841220
>union of soviet socialist republics
are you sure?
>mfw people are still being duped into communism in the current year
>>73841565
Yeah, that generally happens when empires fall. Look at the homelessness figures after the Russian revolution, they aren't pretty.
>>73841539
>In fairness there's ~65m people in this country and if ~22m went missing I very much doubt I would notice.
So you think you'd notice millions of immigrants entering a country, but somehow you wouldn't notice millions of people disappearing in a country?
You're the fucking retard m8.
>>73841442
>>73841442
>The ones prepared by the US and GB during and slightly after the war, gathered through reconnaissance.
Not even mentioning the irony of you doubting everything the USSR gov says, but believing everything the US/GB gov says, but go ahead, find me these documents you speak of.
So, where are these documents you speak of?
>>73841390
>sorry anon, we've got to let you go
>thanks for your years of service
>btw would you mind training your replacement? thanks
>>73841810
I guess that's true. I hadn't considered that. Good work USSR.
>>73841818
>Empirical data?
The only thing "empirical" about it is that it was published by the home of the communist empire. Other than that? Absolutely fucking not.
>>73841863
Referring to economic models.
>>73841957
No, that's an inherent function of capitalism.
Here in the UK we've been going strong for centuries now, yet we still have homelessness.
>>73841626
Marx explicitly said that secret polices and mass murders are utterly necessary for communism to take place
I'm no commie though
>>73841972
>So, where are these documents you speak of?
Pretty much any history book that isn't published in the modern Russian Federation.
>>73842018
Do you trust the census data of the USA?
>>73838051
Correct.
>>73840363
The "organised working class" has never had much a say in the socialist states. The council system was a party front and trade unions became part of the apparatus of the state. The centralised command system actually wasn't even that far from corporatist economics by the end. Just two sides of the same authoritarian coin. Even when the nascent state bureaucracy was resisted, like in Kronstadt, it miserably failed, so to me how communists intend to get the problems of either way is beyond me.
>>73840569
Basically correlates with the Hajnal Line. The West is individualist and the East is collectivist. This was the case before communism and after it, no surprise communism never gained ground in the West, although the mass immigration project is doing its best to change that
>>73841972
>So you think you'd notice millions of immigrants entering a country, but somehow you wouldn't notice millions of people disappearing in a country?
Immigrants are boisterous and rapey. Disappearances are quiet.
You are a fucking moron, btw.
>>73842041
We even have free shelters, dole, state funded rehab and shiet
still homelessness.
Housing prices rising to crippling levels probably have a lot to do with it though.
>>73842014
>implying I don't get a big fat severance package if I'm let go that's like 5 years worth of my salaries
I'll be fine
>>73841127
learn basic economics fag
whats stopping a burger flipper from becoming a CEO?
>>73842131
No, the US government has shown itself not to be trustworthy in recent years. The NSA has become immensely powerful.
>>73842220
Not to mention I've been fired twice before in my life. I can bounce back. Defeatism is a disease.
>>73841220
United
Soviet
Socialist
Republics
>>73842116
Oh ok, go ahead. Find me these documents. Surely there must be an online version out there somewhere.
>>73842067
It's not even about organised murder, people have this false idea that communism means the middle class rises up while in reality it's the bottom feeders, the dredges of society, that rip everything to shreds and kill you because you own a mirror
>>73842041
If you asked a concensus of people whether they would all love to live in tiny little drab apartments, which can barely support a family. Or whether they would choose to work based on their abilities, in order to have the opportunity to purchase a functional home, I don't think it would be a diffcult choice.
>>73834853
Enjoy your leftist government flooding your nation with muds.
I challenge you to find a better national anthem than this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CyPjQQTAM
>>73842349
I'll fetch them for you. May take a little while.
They are quite lengthy, though -- well into the thousands of pages.
You might find it enlightening. Perhaps striking enough to give up your infantile fantasies.
>>73842371
The USSR was pretty anti-immigration tho m8
i DJ at local restauraunts for rich white people playing tech house
i get about 300 a week from this and i live with my mom,
i love to do it is it degenerate
>>73842379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Va6gZCyN8
>>73842243
>whats stopping a burger flipper from becoming a CEO?
I don't know, do you mean beside the fact that a vast majority of CEOs were born into rich families or were already friend with powerful influential people before they became CEOs?
>>73842326
Again; >>73842020
There is a difference between calling a polity a Socialist Republic and saying that you have achieved a new form of economy called socialism. As long as socialism is just a political term, there is not contradiction.
>>73842470
>May take a little while
Well hurry the fuck up then. Surely these groundbreaking documents can't be too hard to find.
>Perhaps striking enough to give up your infantile fantasies.
Again, I'm not a commie or anything close.
At best you might prove yourself to not be completely retarded/brainwashed, but I highly doubt it.
>people like the USSR
t.Trotskyite
>tfw quit okay paying corporate job ($22.50/hr) to work at golf course for $9/hr because working in offices with fake ass faggots for 10 years made me think of suicide daily.
Probably a bad decision. Pure autism tbqh. Sometimes I'm mowing grass and wondering where it all went wrong and why I'm so fucked up. I don't even care anymore. Burn it down and walk away.
>>73834961
>that ID
SHEKEL DEPOT