>According to the results, 51 percent of young adults aged 18-29 oppose capitalism in its current form. By contrast, only 42 percent of people drawn from a pool of 3,183 individuals—selected by KnowledgePanel, a probability-based database designed to be representative of the U.S. population—opted in favor of the global economic order.
JUST
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http://universepolitics.com/2016/05/12/the-sanders-revolution-is-coming-more-than-half-of-young-americans-now-oppose-capitalism/
Kids that think like this should go on a field trip to Venezuela or Cuba desu
>>73818422
>in its current form
Implying we live in the same real capitalism based systen as what we started with and this is not a reaction of the jewish meddling
>>73818422
They're idiots. That's why.
>>73818422
>Millennials and minority's
>not completely retarded
Pick one
I'm 24 and love capitalism.
>>73818422
There will be a reckoning.
>>73818816
These champagne socialists think everything needs to be "fair".
In real life instead of their hippy fantasy land that means everyone is equally starving.
>>73818422
>In its current form
No shit, how could anyone support the corporate state?
Time 4 naginal sochalidm
I agree wholeheartedly.
Let's start by redistributing their wealth to the rest of the world. It's absolutely not fair that they can have iPhones and attend college while people in Africa do not even have access to clean water.
Millennials need to make some sacrifices and pay their fair share.
>>73818422
>capitalism in its current form
Now it is fucking neoliberalism and corporatocracy. Capitalism without extremely rich is the capitalism we need.
>>73820154
Bingo! Someone on /pol/ who actually went to college lol. I'm a more of a democratic socialist myself....
>>73818422
United Socialist States of America when?
>>73818422
>American Capitalism
>Capitalism
>>73820293
>I'm a more of a democratic socialist myself...
You, to the oven
>>73820358
I don't get it...
>>73818798
How about Sweden?
>>73820412
Fuck off wop, go join the mafia and extort me some Lasagna ya oily italian fuck.
>>73818422
>18 trillion in debt to an international banking system
>capitalism is totally working
Yah
>>73820527
MAMMA MIA, THE KEK IS A TALKING!
>>73820438
>>73818798
22 year old communist here. My dad and I have gone on 3 vacations to Cuba. Great place. Only problem are all the shitskins.
>>73820683
What are you talking about? What international banking system? You mean the us treasury? Lol. Democratic socialism ala President Sanders is by far the most forward thinking economic philosophy
>>73820438
What we have in this country is hardly capitalism. Anyone answering this question could be against what we have currently. Instead OP and /pol/ like to see it as HURR 1 IN 2 IS A SOCIALIST
Notice the wording "Oppose Capitalism in its current form"
>people who have never been in the real world don't like capitalism
surprise!!!
Daily reminder.
White middle class millenials that wear Che tshirts and try to suscribe to every "noble" cause they see.
The little shits hate America yet won't ever get the fuck out of there cause they know therr they're allowed to be the entitled loud obnoxious faggots they are.
>>73820795
>Vacations
Yeah, that's a great way to gauge how a society functions.
>>73820943
If I was asked this question, I would know it was loaded for commie benefit & said I was for it's current form of Capitalism.
Fuck soundbite headline judge-a-book-by-its-cover culture.
>>73818422
i never get asked these questions.
who the fuck do they interview?
i swear to shit, they interview people in order to get the answers they want
>>73818422
Half of the young Americans do not even know what capitalism is.
>>73821127
>I would know it was loaded
No you would assume that. How could you possibly "know" the intent of the study? Half the time you participate in a study the researches don't let you know the reasons until the end due to control purposes
>>73818422
Loaded question.
>in its current form
That's so fucking vague, it's easy for anyone to find a reason that it could improve.
>>73820795
>vacations
>great place
Sure it is fag.
>>73820795
>Che Guvera
>Revolutionary
Yes revolutionized a new way to enslave Cubans then to become Fidel's top man in executing prisoners :^)
>>73821168
the local communist anarcho facist group obviously
>>73821048
I love the NatSocs tears at this quote
>>73821313
10/10 times they ask questions that are loaded to the left the studies are used by the Liberal Media. please.
>>73820842
>Democratic socialism ala President Sanders is by far the most forward thinking economic philosophy
Here is something you are not going to like
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_gap_in_the_United_States
Basically, the success and the wealth of a nation is a function of IQ (largely genetic). Government intervention via redistribution is likely to support low IQ couples, who in turn will breed more low IQ children.
Meanwhile high IQ couples will have their wealth "redistributed", which in turn gives them no incentive to settle down and breed (since they are smart enough to understand the importance of a correct upbringing). Not to talk about the creation of a "gibs me dat" culture
In other words, we deliberately encourage idiots to breed and prosper
>>73821048
Ewwww I thought Hitler was a national capitlast like Drumpf
>>73818422
Can we please just gas my generation?
t. Millennial shit posting from work
>>73821597
I don't read 4chan posts from smelly hairy Italians like you. Italy is the new Australia....lol...
>>73820293
>I'm a more of a democratic socialist myself....
I am too, actually.
Also like Chomsky ideas and criticisms.
Only one thing should be rich - government that was elected by citizens. And it should care about the citizens.
They probably asked something like
"How would you like to change capitalism" and giving a slightly varied answer technically counts as not being true capatilist.
>>73818422
capitalism or death baby
>>73818422
The American Dream is dead. If Trump loses think about moving to the UK, Ameribro's, and earn a living here while there is still a living left to earn. Renouncing US citizenship for UK citizenship isn't that bad. There's GB pound's instead of the dollar and there's not as many guns & the weather can be miserable to the point of constantly moaning about it. But we still dream.
>>73818422
Yes goy! Let us run the economy and control the People's Bank!
>>73818422
RIP america.
I swear to god it should be a law to kill commies on sight.
The world would be a better place.
>>73821700
Don't talk to me ever again cuck
>>73819640
>>73821536
>/pol/ Paranoia
>>73819640
explain this americans
>>73818422
I wonder how many of them own an Iphone and drink Starbucks coffee?
>>73822117
Our retards have British tier teeth, because they have no concept of pride in appearance, either.
t.California
>>73820795
how do you reconcile being a communist and a racist?
>>73818422
Who is actually in favor of the current global economic order besides, you know, globalists? The people we hate and that I personally would not care at all if they were eaten alive by starving African tribesmen?
>>73818422
>send young kid to school which is owned by the government which is ruled by liberal
>wonder why young kids have a liberal mentality
This liberal mindset is literally of the Devil himself to have 1 people 1 nation and with no God do as they please, where the women are the rulers.
>>73822359
I don't see why my views on economics would have anything to do with my views on social issues
Protip: Ayn Rand had tried to avoid this outcome since the 50s but her book Atlas Shrugged was the target of continuous slander so now most of these retards never read it and bought the "capitalism is bad" meme of the globalist moochers.
Save the world. Read Atlas Shrugged. Wake up and see the value of your labour and money. It saddens me to have read Atlas Shrugged and to have seen its predictions and warnings come true while also being told that I'm stupid for having read the book and believing in it. The cucks have been lying to you!
>>73820487
oh you mean white countries? find a successful socialist country that isn't white please.
>>73820487
Sweden is capitalist
Though their "social democracy" policies objectively left the nation worse off than it would have been if they never adopted them
>>73822566
Atlas Shrugged is a shit tier book quite memeing
>>73822117
It's called a mongoloid anon. You don't have those in your country?
>>73822653
Forgot link
http://www.iea.org.uk/publications/research/scandinavian-unexceptionalism-culture-markets-and-the-failure-of-third-way-soc
>>73822584
See link
>>73822549
Aren't all peoples, regardless of race or ethnicity, bound by their class?
>>73822549
Well at least you are one of the more realistic Commies. But how exactly do you plan on making it through the transitional phases of revolution in a world where whites and shitskins are all under the same governance?
>>73822717
not to defend communism, but history has shown that communist countries had incredibly harsh and bloody race divides.
>>73822566
>>73822687
read anthem first. it does a better job of debunking the whole "greater good" meme of patronizing governance
>all these nu-males protesting capitalism on Facebook from their iPhones while sitting in a Starbucks
do they even understand what they oppose?
>>73821756
not even a matter of capitalism, just don't want my rights trampled
>>73821786
kek I mean I'm considering expatriating but the UK isn't any better
>>73818798
>US overthrows government, invades, blockades, etc
>HURR DURR THE COUNTRY IS BAD B/C SOCIALISM
>>73822902
Obviously. We have terrible race division in capitalist societies. What did these fuckers think would happen when they combine that with the message of class warfare?
>>73821338
I've visited Washington DC it was a nice place :^)
Well yeah, the current model has brought a solid decade of economic crises
I don't see how anyone could look around at the Western world and say "Yes, this is working".
True capitalism doesn't even exist. Those born into rich families push the government to create anti-competitive business laws that make sure they can't lose the competition against young and enthusiastic entrepreneurs who would easily destroy the old money and build their own empires.
Whether you like the current system or not, it is not competitive capitalism. Rich people are fucking terrified of competition.
>>73822717
Well, a communist economic model could theoretically work if all people were hard-working, efficient, selfless and rule-abiding. There's a much higher chance you'd get such a country if it were filled with only whites.
>>73823061
This.
>>73822861
Communism or even socialism is impossible in America because of all the niggers, spics, and other minorities who leech off of the welfare system. Socialism works in countries like Denmark because it is over 90% white and its citizens actually contribute to society.
Since America is a multicultural shithole I don't expect communism to work here, so I'm not looking for a communist revolution here.
Trumps revolution, while different, will at least strip the establishment and the wealthy elites of their political power, and I hate Bernie when it comes to social issues and immigration so much, I'd prefer Trump to be president over him.
Bernie seems like a good guy, but I hate CULTURAL Marxism.
>>73823259
>Well, a communist economic model could theoretically work if all people were hard-working, efficient, selfless and rule-abiding
This is false
Even if all actors in a communistic society were morally perfect it would still fall apart thanks to the calculation problem.
Which Mises pointed out in the 1920s and commies have yet been able to address
>>73818422
Meh I'm not suprised. I bet if you asked them to define it you would get back somethinh along the lines of "muh ebil corporations"
Until Victory Sanders Bros
24 also here.
>pro capitalist
>hate bernie and Killary
>Hate niggers and liberals
>don't remember ever being asked by this poll
>>73823407
Communism is impossible everywhere
>>73823465
Can you give me a tl;dr? I'm a bit too tired right now to read detailed explanations on such complicated issues.
>>73820347
over my dead body
>>73822717
See >>73823259
>>73822902
I wouldn't have a problem with blacks or other races in particular, I just have a problem with the blacks who act like niggers, and the Hispanics who act like spics.
>>73822549
Because economics has everything to do about social interactions
>>73823407
>Communism or even socialism is impossible
Fixed
> Socialism works in countries like Denmark because it is over 90% white and its citizens actually contribute to society.
1 they're not Socialist even Denmark's prime minister directly called Sanders out for his rhetoric Calling them such
2 Their policies have made these nations significantly poorer than they otherwise would be
The idea thag " Scandinavian social democracy" is a meme and a lie repeating when counter information is easily available on the internet is irresponsible
See
>>73822712
>>73818798
>venezuela
they will survive without toiler paper?
>>73823190
This is a better post than you realize, though probably not for the reason that you have in mind.
I assume that you are in favor not only of your true capitalism, but of competition more generally. Quite the opposite, per the above plus your avowed moves by the powerful to quash competition to begin with (which make total sense if you're in their shoes), then it could instead be observed that a very large group of people from disparate backgrounds hate competition in general. The question then becomes how to bring these groups together, since they have very different reasons for what is fundamentally the same attitude?
I am very happy to live right in the middle of the USA, for instance. Do I want "fair" competition with other nations? Of course not. Fairness is for suckers. The best way of winning is not by competing "fairly", but by managing to rig the system in such a way that you always come out on top. Or, per Peter Thiel, by maintaining monopoly power on whatever sector of the economy it is that you work in.
Peter Thiel's good article on this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/peter-thiel-competition-is-for-losers-1410535536
>>73821700
kill yourself.
>>73818422
>>According to the results, 51 percent of young adults aged 18-29 oppose capitalism in its current form.
>its current form
Oh what's that? People don't like their jobs being outsourced to Pajeet who will do it for pennies?
Color me fucking surprised. Society needs to reap what it sows.
>>73823590
>>73823687
Look at the Soviet Union. Under Stalin it was a world super power equal to America at its peak.
The only reason the Spviet Union fell was because every leader after Stalin was an incompetent moron.
If Stalin had successors as competent has him the Soviet Union would probably be stronger than America is today.
>>73823680
Please elaborate.
>people still think the west won the cold war
Even America is falling for this bullshit. What happened? Did they get into our education systems?
>>73823600
Without a price system it will cause huge misallocation of resources and massive waste and various other problems due to a lack of information.
People fail to grasp that the pricing system is the single most decentralized and mind blowing system of relying information the human race has ever conceived of.
I recommend opening a tab with this link and read later.
https://mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited
Good
Just makes it that much easier to wipe the slate clean
Wipe out half of them and then remind the other half why they're gone
>>73822710
Bongistan has plenty of Russian immigrants so I would assume so
>>73818422
Wait till they have to start paying taxes
>hate capitalism
>use Youtube/Facebook/Snapchat/Google/etc
>9 times out of 10 own the newest Iphone
>wear name-brand clothes and shoes
Kids are fucking dumb, what else is new?
>>73818422
The issues they have with capitalism are a result of mass immigration of non-whites plus shoehorning of niggers.
You get rid of that and magically their issues with capitalism will disappear
>>73819640
why pay to fix your disabled kid's teeth when they probably won't be breeding anyway? same reason as most brits
>>73824058
>Look at the Soviet Union. Under Stalin it was a world super power equal to America at its peak.
Yeah if you kill of large swaths of the poor population and have massive investment from Western banks it kind of leads to less poor people in your nation and industrialization.
Without the west providing the capital investment that they did the Soviet Union would have collapsed during WWII if not before.
>>73818422
Fuck capitalism and fuck Jewish usurers.
Fuck usury.
How do we make capitalism great again /pol/?
>>73820347
Sounds familiar.
>>73818422
Bum ass kids, what do you expect?
The irony is they are being fed this by their teachers who will argue for higher wages every summer.
>muh unions say I need higher wages but nobody should have to pay them!!
Fucking come on, people. Make some damn sense already.
>>73823664
what about the whites who act like niggers and the asians who act like spics?
>>73824086
>Did they get into our education systems?
That was a key program of the KGBs subversion program.
Which one can follow the money thanks to declassified documents from the old Soviets Union
>>73823407
But according to Marx Communism cannot work without world revolution. And I agree with him. You can't decentralize like that without the whole world being on board otherwise you are going to get BTFO
>>73824418
>>73819830
Nice find. Fucking Jews and fucking Hillary.
>https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
>The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad.
A true free market with less big daddy government regulation leads to innovation. That is why we have companies like SpaceX, Tesla, Google, etc...
Nope my generation of millenials instead wants to work at Mcdonald's making fucking fries all day at $15 rather than pioneering new tech or go further with their career. My generation is a bunch of lazy entitled infants who want big daddy gubbermint to take care of their feewings and needs.
Do you like or oppose the current globalist world economy?
Of course people would say they oppose it. What a biased """study""".
>>73822359
Communism is materialist, so there's no reason that genetic differences in populations can't fit into a Communist world view.
>>73824463
I guess this is where the "right wingers are uneducated" meme comes from, since the left is born in the classrooms.
>implying Americans will ever see past 50's 60's capitalistic propaganda
it will never happen, they will remain blind forever and thus forever their jews suck them dry and remain prosperous as white Americans never began thinking for themselves.
Americans are with capitalism like middle-easterns are with Islam
>>73818422
We need a drive in the whole Western world for high taxes on the rich, trickle down is bullshit.
But our politicians call the present system cpitalism and of course young people oppose it when they have to live in a shared flat with less space than the commies had in the USSR because they cannot afford better with the worl they can find.
We also need some hefty regulations on the housing market, a glat or a house should follow inflation more or less, at present it has been about double the inflation. This is insane + foreign speculators and shit like that fucks it up.
>>73823762
Conservatives are the useful idiots these days though.
>>73824086
>Did they get into our education systems?
Yes
Haha so stupud teenagerzz im i rite? Capitalism is da best system ever!!!! xDDDD
Technology has made (will make) capitalism obsolete. Its time we came up with something better. Capitalism was great before robots, not anymore. The only reason we have jobs now is for the purpose of jobs, to keep everything from collapsing. This is stupid if you consider we have the tech to become post scarcity. Capitalism is LITERALLY holding technology back at this point.
Pic so very related. If you're still for capitalism its time to get with the times gramps.
>>73824720
lol you will never find a communist that admits to this. Half of them openly despite whites (Maoists and Leninists generally), all about muh liberation in Africa and a good deal support bullshit concepts like Aztlan. Equality of opportunity will always degrade into equality of outcome. So it has been ever since the French Revolution, which spawned communism (egalite).
>>73820095
Reminds me of that gumball video comparing America's population to the world.
We could never make a single dent in world poverty through redistributing wealth. It has to be earned from within.
The radical left is too stupid to realize this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
>>73822335
can someone explain this
>"t. etc etc "
meme that keeps getting more popular?
>>73824461
Yeah, protesting is awful. MLK and Rosa Parks were babies who just couldn't work hard.
>>73819830
Someone spread this shit around. Get it to Trump.
>>73824296
Well not entirely. The effects of globalization are still a problem but removing inferior peoples would certainly help a bit. There were some things Marx was right about. He just had a shit solution on how to fix the problem.
>>73818422
Opposing capitalism != socialist or communist
>>73824823
It is more complicated than just Soviet subversion but add in that and a combination of the way higer education works leads to pic related
>>73824253
Source???
>>73820795
>communist
>taking vacations
Sounds pretty bourgeoisie desu
>>73825070
Adorno was an elitist who hated popular culture and especially jazz.
>>73825093
That whole second paragraph you wrote is something said around 150 years ago when mechanicalization of agriculture began.
It is like it was Luddite scare mongering
>>73818422
>mfw the majority of my generation actually thinks we have a capitalist economy
>>73818422
>opposed capitalism in it's current form
Translation:
>We don't have any jobs what the fuck get your shit together.
>>73825339
This. But try to make these conservatards understand. As soon as you claim to not like capitalism its all "OMG YU SO STUPID COMMUNIST GO TO CHINA" blah blah blah.
The more I say in /pol/ the more I realize that the right is just as bat shit insane and cynical as the left.
>>73818422
IT'S TINE TO STOP!
>>73818422
They're not entirely wrong in their opposition. They're just wrong in their belief that we currently have capitalism.
>>73821464
I don't think any European NatSocs have a problem with the quote. It's only Americans, who have been brainwashed for a century by bussiness Jews, who have a problem with it.
It was necesary for Americans to blindly support capitalism in order to prevent Russia from taking over America and all the cold war propaganda is still present in the American mind set of today.
>>73825588
This IS capitalism you stupid fucking nigger. What most people don't get is that THIS is the end result of capitalism. Its the only way it CAN be. Sure its great at first but give it a few hundred years and money corrupts, and once it does its all downhill from there. What we live in today is the only ever possible outcome of a society that works on capitalism.
>>73818422
So should I move to Hong Kong or Singapore? Any Asians want to weigh in on this for me?
About me:
* Ivy League economics degree
* Indian American
* Skills include programming in C, Python, Java, R, and OCaml
* 5'11
>>73825846
Why would you ever move to Singapore? You get executed for trivial shit there.
>>73825220
It comes from Finnish memeboards.
Basically, "t." is short for "terveisin" or "terkkuja" which translates to "greetings" or "yours truly".
So "t. California", basically means "regards, California"
>>73821597
"IQ and the Wealth of Nations" comes to the same findings. Leftcucks can't handle the truth.
>The authors argue that differences in national income (in the form of per capita gross domestic product) are correlated with differences in the average national intelligence quotient (IQ).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
>>73823061
if their system is so superior why can't they defend themselves?
>>73821597
And that is why Hitler was ultimately right.
Capitalism gets all the wealth accumulated at the top in the end game while egalitarian socialism has the problems you mentioned along with a few others.
Nationalism in a state that encourages strong breeding practices and does what it can to help all its citizens thrive both for themselves and the greater strength/stability of the state is the best system.
>>73818422
Let me guess, they only polled liberal faggots in the big cities.
>>73823687
>1 they're not Socialist even Denmark's prime minister directly called Sanders out for his rhetoric Calling them such
Nordic model combines capitalism with socialism. Most things are left for the private sector where as some things are provided by the government.
>>73823687
>2 Their policies have made these nations significantly poorer than they otherwise would be
You have literally no idea what you are talking about, the poverty in Nordic countries is not even remotely comparable to poverty in the states.
>>73825932
What's wrong with no crime?
>>73822117
I feel sick
>>73818422
>3,183 individuals
I wonder if mayhaps this was conducted at a university or similar setting?
They oppose liberal capitalism and they wanna replace it with liberal socialism. Simply eric. You're fucked. Your future is fucked and your present is fucked.
>>73825932
I don't really commit any crimes, and they're very capitalistic. I'd definitely take it over an America that's going to turn into Venezuela.
>>73818422
your source is pure cancer some fagggot copied a text from someone who copied it and this guy found it on " http://www.alternet.org/ " this should be a serious source?
http://universepolitics.com/2016/05/12/the-sanders-revolution-is-coming-more-than-half-of-young-americans-now-oppose-capitalism/
http://cosmo-politics.com/2016/05/09/the-sanders-revolution-is-coming-more-than-half-of-young-americans-now-oppose-capitalism-2/
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/03/the_sanders_revolution_is_coming_more_than_half_of_young_americans_now_oppose_capitalism_partner/
http://www.alternet.org/
>>73818422
He tried to warn us.
Then he made a deal with the Rothschilds' so his advice is weak. What was true then is true now.
>>73826216
There's very little crime in America as long as you don't live around a ton of blacks.
>>73818422
Why would anyone want to support capitalism!?
Fucking classcucks...
>>73826243
Which is better for American expats? HK or Singapore?
>>73825566
Interesting but
>Adorno delivered scathing critiques of contemporary Western culture. Adorno's posthumously published Aesthetic Theory, which he planned to dedicate to Samuel Beckett, is the culmination of a lifelong commitment to modern art which attempts to revoke the "fatal separation" of feeling and understanding long demanded by the history of philosophy and explode the privilege aesthetics accords to content over form and contemplation over immersion.
From the wiki
>>73822953
No, all they're doing is virtue signalling and doing what's trendy. It's "cool" to be a socialist Bernie fag right now without actually understanding how good they have it because of capitalism.
>>73826321
This. Too many people think all socialists and "anti-capitalists" support liberal degeneracy. Yet Capitalism is what created this liberal degeneracy to begin with. The feminists and SJWs would be sent to the gulag in a REAL socialist country.
>>73824908
Sadly this is very true. It is part of our national identity to a large extent.
>>73826355
Both are shit. Both are tiny entities that only exist because they exploit the system and system needs them.
On their own, they're nothing.
Only country I see having some future is Russia. But they'll probably fuck up.
>>73825191
By this logic, we should actually be forcing people to leave our countries and go live in the 3rd world and build something out of it.
Seems like the only way to improve the situation is building actual civilized societies over there, and over generations subverting them, instead of letting them slowly subvert us.
Also here's a red pill documentary about capitalism and innovation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_hwmapWFFw
>anti-capitalism
>pro global economic order
in what world do they live in?
>>73818422
You got some issues Bernie man, I think you need some counseling
to help your a** from bouncing off the walls when you get down some
And what's this sh** about us havin to say "praise Mao" when we greet eachother?
That type of sh**'ll make me not want us to meet each other
I really think you and the Democratic Party need each other
or maybe you just need to treat it better
I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time
before you hurt yourself, I think that you'll be doing just fine
if you relax a little, I'm glad this revolution inspires you but Bernie man
why are you so mad? Try to understand, that I do want you in politics man
I just don't want you to do some crazy sh**
I seen this one sh** on the news a couple weeks ago that made me sick
Some dude was drunk and drove his campaign over a bridge
and had 3 million in illegal donations in the trunk, even some from little kids
and in the passenger seat they found a manifesto, but they didn't say who it was to
Come to think about it, his name was... it was you
Damn!
>>73818422
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times. Nobody hates capitalism; there are just those who hate their position in it
>>73824923
Well you have to balance re-distributive policies with the ability to create growth and as a result keep your nation a strong global player. You also have to consider that redistribution will give the government a whole lot more power to fuck with us. It's a tricky game to play all around.
>>73826521
Exactly.
Also, mass immigration to drive down wages are a capitalist thing. The "NeverTrump" crowd is RIGHT when they accuse Trump of flirting with anti-Capitalism for his views on import tariffs for instance. And that's a good thing.
So I guess /pol/ just likes to ignore the "in its current form" part, right?
Nobody should defend the lobbyist ridden corrupt shithole system we have right now in the western world.
>>73824908
>implying it's better for the government to make decisions about enterprise
Shut the fuck up, faggot. Jews run Ivy League colleges, and thus many of the institutions that put people on the track to become senators, presidents, etc. You're talking about Jews like socialism isn't the grandest Jew idea of them all. It's much easier to corrupt a federal government than it is to corrupt the minds of every American. Capitalism allows us to take control and fight back. Just because this generation is too pussy to use capitalism correctly doesn't mean the ideology is wrong. The fact of the matter is that you need to corrupt capitalism to control the masses.
>inb4 some retarded post implying that things that work for your tiny, mostly white population could work in this country
We have dozens of states larger than your entire country.
>>73826131
>
You have literally no idea what you are talking about, the poverty in Nordic countries is not even remotely comparable to poverty in the states.
Nobody said it wasn't. But is it the lack of social welfare programs that made us poorer or niggers? And in turn do you think your social programs actually made you richer or are they just a luxury that you can afford because your nation is rich?
>>73826521
>>73826868
Good to see there are some truly red-pilled people on this board.
GEE
THANKS FOR THE "INSPIRATION" IN AMERICA'S YOUTH BERNIE
>>73818422
so either the soviet indoctrination is working, or 51% of people polled either don't understand economic principles or are lazy NEETS
>a little over 3k polled
wowzers. bound to be 30000000% accurate.
>>73824923
The rich already pay for everything you cuck, only the untouchables in the top 0.0001% get away with not paying because they literally run the global monetary system.
>>73826922
shhh they are good goys
21 years old and I love capitalism, its whats going to give me an opportunity to become successful in life.
Corporatism on the other hand...
>>73827433
I always chuckle when I see Western ''communists'' wave Red Banner.
In USSR, faggots and such things were all denounced as bourgeois decadence and Jews were styled as ''rootless cosmopolitans''.
>>73826572
It's almost like you did that and it worked until you got cucked and gave all the clay back!
Muh colonialism is bad!
>>73826563
Russia is a crony capitalist state where only ex-KGB Putin cronies have any money. I'm looking for the most laissez-faire state I can find, and it seems like Singapore and Hong Kong have some of the most economic freedom, as long as the younger generations don't want to fuck it up.
>>73827675
Yeah, see ya when you're 35 and still working at 7 eleven
>>73826521
>>73826868
You can oppose capitalism with turning to Marxist socialism. Look up Distributism.
I would be attracted to Marxism, although despite being working class it seems critical theory and bullshit notions of gender privilege have seeped into the brains of most modern Marxists. Let's not forget Marx and Engels were heavily critical of social traditions, so it's always been around. It's great being told that a rich woman is more oppressed than poor men.
Frankly I don't give a shit about social issues and progressivism. But I refuse to be lectured to by bitter third worlders and roasties on notions of privilege and power. Wealth is what matters.
>According to the results, 51 percent of young adults aged 18-29 oppose capitalism in its current form.
Yeah, because its current form is crony fucking capitalism with corporations going off the rails and pushing this diversity shit you little rejects hate so much for PROFIT
Capitalism needs to be used for the greater good, it's a means to an end, and anyone who actually likes the current form of capitalism in the states is a god damned moron. Probably dumber than the fucking commies to be completely honest with you senpai, and those guys are as thick as it gets aside from yourselves.
The funniest part about your socialist retards is that capitalism in a federal republic permits you to create socialist communities/states. Or at least, the true representation of what our government was intended to be would, if we had the freedom to establish alternative currencies. You are completely allowed to buy some land along with a bunch of your dumb-as-fuck commie friends and remove yourself from the capitalist system (or at least you should be allowed to, and it's the capitalists who would fight for your right to do this). Don't make me join your shitty system, that's all I ask. You're fighting not to remove the ability to do what you want...you're fighting for the right to enslave those who disagree with you.
Basically, socialists can go fuck themselves. Cunts.
>>73827858
They also love Muslims and Islam despite communism being totally anti religious.
>>73827902
>is a crony capitalist state
There are abuses of system, yes.
But I'm talking in cultural aspect. Russia is experiencing a (clumsy) national revival.
Singapore and Hong Kong are literally nothing, tiny entities that survive thanks to their position. When liberal capitalism dies, they'll die too.
>>73828066
>capitalism
Only idiots are entirely opposed to capitalism. Some of us are simply opposed to liberal capitalism. Learn the difference.
>>73820293
>communist and mommy professor's wife's son strike up an unlikely friendship
Like benedict arnold and the british
>>73818422
>absolutelysubversive.png
>>73827975
>current form is crony fucking capitalism
Exactly and that's the difference. Corporations are aligning with the government--through bullshit trade deals, military contracting (trillions of dollars), the Fed rigging interest rates to benefit banks, etc.--to enforce a system that is decidedly anti-capitalist. Everyone is getting mad at the same shit, but these SJW nu-male commie shitheads are directing their anger at the wrong institutions. They fall hook, line, and sinker for garbage rhetoric from morons like Bernie Sanders, who only looks thinks from a shallow perspective. Blame the billionaires without focusing on how the actual mechanics of the economy operate. Fucking brilliant.
>>73818422
That's called phrasing the question to get the answer you want. The only thing shocking is that ANYONE at all didnt say they were against 'capitalism in its current form.' Capitalism in its current form is of course not capitalism at all. It's third way fascism.
>>73827102
>implying its impossible to run states like we run our country
Lack of ability vs lack of possibility
>You're talking about Jews like socialism isn't the grandest Jew idea of them all
Hitler was national socialist, incredible backfire, if so. But how can the jew prosper if it has to share? Jews are not built so, they want for themselves not for their fellow man.
Also the whole "Use capitalism correctly" can be said for communism aswell. I believe an important principle is that people are not to be trusted, they are dumb, greedy, selfish, evil. And thus in need of control and guidance, not freedom. Inb4 Trump gets elected and I'm proven right
>>73818422
They're just naive and spoiled. They grew up in a time where they couldn't really feed their lust for rebellion, so they're getting it out of their system now.
I bet you most of them will grow out of it in 1-2 years time. This is just a stupid fad. (at least I hope so, and i could very well be wrong)
>>73827925
Nah dude, I've been working since I was 14 years old.
My dad could've gotten on welfare and gotten government assistance but he's big on his principle and refused to get on it. Thanks to his hard work we never went hungry but if I wanted nice things I knew I had to get it myself.
Worked small jobs here and there and eventually got in with a landscaping company where I worked for a year and a half before I enlisted.
Yea I know how cucks on /pol/ feel about the military but if theres one thig I've learned is to know an opportunity when I see one, these last 3 and a half years were rough and I ended up going to middle east and other south east asian countries but I kept my nose clean and I worked hard.
Now I get out in 5 months and Im going to see the fruits of my efforts, going to learn a trade with my GIBux and using the the prestige, if thats the right word, of being military among normies to get ahead.
Do what you have to fucking do get ahead, no one is gonna do it for you
>>73828758
>people are not to be trusted, they are dumb, greedy, selfish, evil
And yet you want a government, run by people, to have more power than a system that puts less power into the hands of people. Good job.
>And thus in need of control and guidance, not freedom.
If everyone is in need of guidance, who will guide those with the most control? What is to stop someone from manipulating your system and the outrageous power that it gives to the ruling class? How do those people even get to those places of power? Who decides all of this? Is it you? The will of the same people you just called "dumb, greedy, selfish, evil"? If people are all of those things, why use a system that allows for their input at all? Wouldn't capitalism, along with a small federal government, remove rather than create sources of power that can be corrupted?
>>73828541
>liberal capitalism
I'm not even sure what you're saying, but I'm pretty sure what you're thinking isn't capitalism at all.
>>73822117
>spending money to fix a tard's teeth
shiggy diggy
>>73819640
>>73827196
>Nobody said it wasn't. But is it the lack of social welfare programs that made us poorer or niggers? And in turn do you think your social programs actually made you richer or are they just a luxury that you can afford because your nation is rich?
The thing is that it's not about me myself and I.
I am grateful for such programs as without them I wouldn't have a BSC degree on my belt with zero debt on my shoulders. Even got my current job and some extra education through government funded employment program and now I am more than happy to pay back through taxes the help I gained from said systems if it can help others to do the same.
Sure system like this always has free loaders, but the fact is that the money you get from government when you are unemployed isn't much and most of those people would work if there work available. Most nations today got rich thanks to the economic boom after WWII Finland is no different really.
>>73818422
>According to the results, 51 percent of young adults aged 18-29 are fucking retarded and don't even know what capitalism stands for.
Fuck I hate my generation.
>these are the people who will be voting/running the country in a few years once boomers and gen x all dies
>>73825236
fuck off, fighting for the vote isnt the same as asking people who are way more successful than you to share their moeny
>>73830115
Good thing you got all that shit because you're going to be paying for it through suppressed wages for the rest of your life. I hope you especially enjoy paying for migrants to get their college education, and for people to study shit like feminism.
Oh, by the way, I had my college paid for entirely as well. It's called working while in school and earning a scholarship. I still would have made more over my lifetime if I had debt, though. That's the shit you Europeans don't get and it's why Americans make more money.
>>73829444
Whats needed is a government who controls the markets somewhat, while the government is also controlled by the people. A capitalism/Socialism hybrid, a market controlled by the government but not to the extent that competitiveness is abolished by controlled.
Its important to find a middle ground, where ideas are rewarded and competitiveness is protected.
I believe that humans need to control humans in a big strong circle where everyone keeps one another in check as to keep the greedy human nature in control. Unlike USA today were greed is worshiped and the success of greed is the only quality one can possess
>>73830712
Okay, so your plan is to create a system begging to get buttfucked and just to hope for the best?
>>73830712
And the politicians and public servants are the greediest of all.
>>73825070
Adorno is a traditionalists friend
>>73830115
Oh for sure I absolutely agree that social programs are often a good idea if you can afford them and if they also help people improve themselves rather than just keeping them dependent.
Problem is you need the birthrates to maintain the programs long term or you are fucked. Half the reason so many countries are importing masses of shitskins is in a desperate attempt to keep up enough money fo dem programs.
>>73831510
What makes you think that?
>>73830984
That is your system today, yes. Removing your current campaign finance system would be a step in the right direction
>>73830857
I'm obviously not getting my point across. I guess a people is open to buttfucking if they do not understand what their government is pulling off IE trade agreements
>>73825606
Then don't "oppose capitalism", that is a shit position and is just there to make you feel more edgy. Instead, propose something new.
Hell, us capitalists know there are problems with capitalism, but the people who do all this "oppose capitalism" bullshit tend to just be communists.
Tell us your good idea. I want to know, for sure.
>t, a capitalist who supports Nationalist Alliance Capitalism and Mincome Arcologies.
>>73830984
all those lousy post office workers with their offshore bank accounts sapping the wealth of the nation
it's estimated that dmv employees alone control up to 40% of the gdp
>>73822549
I can already tell you have read nothing on communism.
>>73830650
Our taxes provide us many other benefits which you have to pay way more in other countries. Health care, pension, unemployment services, emergency services and law enforcement, Preschools etc.
>That's the shit you Europeans don't get and it's why Americans make more money.
You also pay more for stuff like rents, medicine, education and insurances.
>>73831987
The problem with our governments and unions is that they severely lack when it comes to transparency.
Combine transparent goverment with open press and you'll remove large portion of the corruption found in todays poltics.
If we need people like Snowden and Assange to tell us what the hell our officials are doing or Green peace to tell us about dangerous trade agreements like TTP and TTIP etc then there's something very wrong with our politics, capitalism and democracy.
>>73822923
>>73822566
There's still a pretty good difference between "Communism is bad" and "Rand-esque Capitalism is good"
Rand was a cunt who was literally only for the very, very top of the wealthiest people. She didn't take the middle-class into account either. You were either rich and deserved everything, or you weren't and deserved nothing.
>>73818422
I'm 35 and fuck capitalism tbqhwy familia.
>>73820791
>ECONMICS
>>73818422
>sample size of 3,183
wow its nothing everybody go home
>>73823061
This leaf just fucking nailed it. 10/10 post.
>>73818798
When did all of them advocate Cuban/Venezuelan policies?
(hint: most of them don't)
>>73818422
>MORE THAN HALF OF YOUNG AMERICANS NOW OPPOSE CAPITALISM
lol fucken libtards
Fuck, 200 posts, wish I got here earlier.
But ask yourselves. whos fucking fault is it that society, not just millennials, are now leaning towards socialism? I'm blaming it partially on defacto capitalism, I mean, if you guys weren't so fucking greedy and allowed people to have a fair share, maybe they wouldnt latch onto socialism, ever thought of that shit? Not to mention what the future will bring, with driverless cars, AI, those tentacles go deep anon and Im guessing it will expand more than just services like shipping, or uber, or taxis, truck drivers. If all these jobs are going to be replaced by machines one day you better fucking believe socialism is coming, whether you like it or not and it's our own fault. Couldn't live with just a house, no, you had to have 50 of them, well those days will soon be gone, there will be a time where we have moved on from people having all this money, avoiding taxes.
I don't like it anymore than you do anon, I would have rather sticked with capitalism, bought my stupid fucking toys and lived happily ever after, but no, you got too greedy, more people have less and they will eventually revolt.
>>73819842
>In real life instead of their hippy fantasy land that means everyone is equally starving.
Nice meme. That's a strawman thrown around, but there's little basis for it. How many people are starving in social democracies like Sweden?
(hint: not many)
How many people are starving in Cuba right now?
(surprisingly low numbers considering the variables)
How many people starved in the Soviet Union after 1947?
(hint: negligible numbers)
>>73820791
Not only do you have a ridiculously inadequate knowledge of basic economics, but you're terrible at spelling.
>>73818422
Capitalism is fucking garbage
Our generation will shit on the last remaining vestiges of your precious capitalist system.
Capitalism will die in your lifetime and all you cucks can do is cry about it.
>>73818422
>in its current form
No shit, so do I. Banker Jews should not be running the world like they currently do, crashing the economy when they fuck everything up and then have the goyim foot the bill. It's time to cleanse the temple.
>>73835750
>if you guys weren't so fucking greedy and allowed people to have a fair share
What happens when the ruling class who redistributes wealth decide on a "fair share" amount that seems greedy to the rest of the people of that country? What even IS a "fair share"? Seems like a broad stroke for "however much I want".
>>73820992
>le real world meme
>>73820154
>>73820293
good posts
>>73821597
IQ isn't necessarily tied to wealth, nor to intelligence. Intelligence and wealth are two issues that are infinitely more complex than that. Not to mention that even high tax rates generally don't stop the formation of some wealth stratification, which in turn allows wealthier couples to sustain more children.
>>73821701
Good post.
>>73831510
>>73825566
Lol
>>73825844
Why is socialised healthcare an end result of capitalism?
>>73821851
Hello Suharto.
>>73823061
Shhhh no actual knowledge of history allowed. Only circle jerking.
>>73823762
*tips tinfoil*
>>73835379
Jews love communism (a central bank and monopoly power).
>>73837019
>Shhhh no actual knowledge of history allowed.
This is the most reddit thing. Don't do this.
>>73835750
Greedy corporations aren't bad when they compete.
They are greedy for your dollars, and have to compete by offering a better product.
Now when they don't compete (oligopoly or monopoly), they suck. But a lot of that comes from government regulation making it harder to compete.
>>73837081
Yep. The Bolsheviks were funded by Wall Street. It's a false dilemma to pit Financial Capitalism against Communism as our only options. In both cases, the international banking cartel wins.
>>73821786
Trump will win the presidency. He is already virtually tied with Hillary and the General Election is about 6 months out.
>>73835975
the thing is, right now, it's really hard to live and save money, that's the key here, to actually save money. Like it's bullshit some of these prices for rent in some of these states, 900 dollars for a fucking single, no on site laundry, no bedroom, the bare minimum, and that's in the hood, if you want a neighborhood that is even slightly okay, it's like 1200 and higher.
I'm not saying it's not possible, people do it everyday here, but what do you have to put in for it? Working 70+ hours a week to live and have like nothing left for saving money or buying stupid trinkets is not fair. 100 dollar bill is like 20 bucks now.
Take a look at los angeles atm, there are tents everywhere now and they are from all walks of life, not all druggies. Huge increase in females homelessness too and it's going to get worse and worse, starting in California, once California takes a hit and I think it will, the system here is setup for cheap wages and a lot of work, they make a lot of money like that, once that $15 hr wage comes, it's going to close out a lot of businesses and I say GOOD, fuck those businesses, i fthey cannot float giving a livable wage, they deserve to fall.
So what can they do now? My suggestion which has also been brought up before is either REAL rent control, because lets be honest, that's the largest payment people make with their paycheck, that or either a basic income.
You say "who cares about california", believe me I hate this state too, but whatever happens here spreads across the rest of the country.
/rant
>>73820154
>Capitalism without extremely rich
No such thing. Read Piketty.
>>73818422
i would just like to say, as a 25yo, i was not asked my opinion for the poll in op
>>73823061
>country becomes a shit hole due to retarded communist policies
>"This is truly the result of the capitalists and Fascists ruining this country!"
>"Let me tell you about your country!"
You are literally the reason why I left Venezuela
http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-capitalism-bad
see how far you can scroll down before killing yourself
>>73820487
Sweden has a stock market, it's way more capitalist than socialist. Obviously, without their socialist tendencies, everyone would be immensely more wealthy.
>>73818422
Maybe if they gave these people a decent fucking living and a job they'd enjoy it.
Until then? Fuck it all. Let it burn.
>>73837910
>if they cannot float giving a livable wage, they deserve to fall
From what I've seen, only expensive restaurants stick around, so only rich people can afford them.
The employees working there are better off, but the customer has to be rich.
>>73832320
>le there are only two positions meme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
>>73824168
One of the main legitimate arguments against central planning that doesn't hinge on slippery slopes.
Good post.
>>73838923
This.
Capitalism "in its current form" is shit indeed. It's hardly laissez-faire, and it precipitates inequalities with monetary expansion policy and bailouts for big failures.
Capitalism itself isn't the issue, though, and this important difference is lost on the downtrodden masses.
