Is there systematic discrimination, /pol/?
>a conference for women-identified students
>women-identified
jesus fucking christ alive just let this world end
>>73806524
>identified
I've started identifying as black on my govt apps and I get wayyyyyyy more interviews, they never bring it up either. Probably afraid I'll cry self identification discrimination
>were not excluding men, just accepting only women.
nice double think.
>>73806524
>women aren't interested in something (as much as men)
>therefore we see unbalanced participation percentages
>this is somehow the fault of men and the institute/media/whatever in question
can someone seriously explain this twisted logic to me?
update
>>73806847
I started out my career by lying on just one job application. I put "Native American" as my race instead of White. It was the one interview I got, and the one job I was hired for. Absolutely nothing happened to me, except at one point a couple months in I got an automatic invitation to a seminar for "minority engineers" - my supervisor saw it and approached me, saying "you're not... a minority, are you? This must just be a mistake". I didn't want to get caught, so I just agreed with him. But yeah, other than that, it never came up.
Every job I've had since then came as a result of that first job, so... I often wonder if I'd be as successful today if I'd checked the correct box.
you suck at processing data points, i fire you
youre good at it, i give you good reports
i couldnt care less what your junk looks like, im too busy running a meritocracy
>>73808130
>But it seems to reflect a belief that women are just not as innately equipped as men are to perform well in STEM
>Whether or not this is true is irrelevant
what a fucking retard.
>>73808194
how hard is it to white lie and say, "one-quarter Iriquois" and never talk more about your heritage? Might as well, if it opens some doors.
The time is upon us where as a straight white male, it's to your advantage to show up to an interview in a business dress and wearing makeup.
>>73807860
Don't ever mansplain to me ever again.
>>73807860
>lack of male nurses
>dudes that want to go into the medical field either want to be pharmacy techs or outright doctors
>male nurses are a rarity and desired
>male nurses are paid more then female nurses to encourage them to stay in the field and wipe senior's butts
It's pretty simple cause and effect to me
>>73808130
None of that is systematic nor discriminatory, if the fact that women achieving lower scores is discouraging it shows the lack of motivation women have, it should be the exact encouragement that they need to get out thee and prove the perception wrong by competing directly with men
Instead they want special help because they can't compete with men on equal ground
Yes, white privilege
https://www.verywell.com/what-is-the-halo-effect-2795906
>>73806524
There's systemic discrimination against whites and Asians (affirmative action).
OP here, I told her this
>>73807191
Well there are other things than man and woman you bigot
>>73809452
>things
kek'd
>>73809404
Keep us posted
>>73808822
the difference is that no one blames women for the shortcoming of male nurses and expects the medical field to change fundamentaly to cater to dem poor discriminated men
>>73809404
Well, OP?
>>73810738
nothing yet. I don't know if she's having an identity crysis or what
>>73810841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4iQvJo24U
>Crysis :^)
Seriously can't wait to hear her response though
If you truly believe women should participate in STEM, then there is nothing wrong with giving them an easier time. If we want women to go into STEM, then we need female rolemodels already participating in STEM courses.
Personally, I think women should stay in the kitchen and give birth to many children in order to save the white race.
But since you cucks have decided that women should join the work place, you might as well do more to get women into stem. Women are half the population. If a few women getting easily into stem is what is needed for the rest to get in fairly in the future, then that is an easy sacrifice.
>>73811799
OP delivers. She literally didn't even read the fucking article
>>73812012
Nice. The proof that we need the events is the fact that you doubt we need such events.
Math is already the most meritocratic of any discipline, this isnt needed.
There are lots of women working at the highest levels of it, maybe 10%, and they are there because they are smart and qualified, not special privilege.
A women just won the last fields medal.
>>73812012
Ask her what she studied.
To be quite honest, if I was an employer and the top 500 candidates for my 500 places in my company were male, I would let in all 500.
If the top 500 were all women, I'd be running a 500:1 ratio of female to male workers and I'd not give a damn what their genitals were.
Is this not the normal thought? Why do they want 50/50 if the women (or men) are literally shit at the career.
>>73808130
If it discourages women from participating then they are just weaker willed humans. Everything worth wanting is worth working for. Men have to work hard and are rewarded on merit. Women don't want to work hard and are rewarded for being born women. Toughen up ladies. It will make you better people.
READ THIS (OC):
I was a masters student at UCL - civil engineering. I was doing my final paper on the use of 3d cameras and photogrammetry for robotics for factory safety. A woman was writing a paper on 'social networks and sex' for a degree in civil engineering. I said, "is this a joke? if not, i quit". I was forced to quit when some lecturer who gave me one lecture gave me some bullshit feminist propaganda. Also, it is impossible to get less that 50% at UCL.
Higher education is fucked up.
>>73812692
Why would they though? It's become clear enough that they don't have to, they can simply get what they want by bitching constantly.
Fuck, we need WW3 to start already, this is getting stupid.
>>73812012
Ask her if being treated equally to men is what discourages women to participate in STEM.
>>73812012
Ask her how if STEM fields discourage women from participating, explain why women excel in biology and veterinary science compared to men.
Who cares about what some irrelevant play-conference is doing.
>>73812406
>so of i just ignored you, & everybody ignored you, the whole thing would evaporate?
OP she set this up so hard
>>73812012
I like the part where she accusses others of jumping to conclusions, just after admiting she didn't even read the article.
>>73812005
>If you truly believe women should participate in STEM, then there is nothing wrong with giving them an easier time.
You are an idiot. Fuck you and your low tier country.
Every woman I know in STEM was interested in it nor curious about it. Based on experience, the truth is nearly every woman who gets into STEM did so because they were doing what was expected of them during a time when they had little idea what they really wanted. (Modern coercive schooling agenda, generally)
Nearly every woman in STEM eventually realizes she fucking hates STEM. It's the truth and had nothing to do with role models.
To the extent schooling destroys creativity and curiosity, I agree more girls might become interested in STEM, but as of now it's more a cold calculation about finances and lifestyle, work and employment goals, in relation to what a bunch of immature kids with no real experience imagine themselves being happy with.
Predictably what they imagine is not reality and what you get is a co worker who is either a carrierist or miserable who will bitch and moan until she gets a job "working with people" or has a baby. But more likely this bitch will just continue in the STEM position and be just another unhappy employee turning into a fat cow with zero love or enthusiasm for the work.
Let's not use deceptive adult persuasion to convince impressionable children to choose occupational paths to conform to our own prejudicial worldviews. Leave kids alone to let them find out what they want. Anything else is just sick abuse.
>>73806524
Asian students will have their sat scores reduced by 50points as soon as they check asian under their race.
I guess it's only fair, right?
>we want a giant piece of the cake without doing something
>make it happen cis-scum pigs REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>73808130
It's time to masquerade as women and declare that such special treatment is insulting to our intelligence. Do we have the wo-manpower?
hey OP, has anbody responded yet?
>>73808194
>>73806847
Isn't it great that white men are "systematically discriminated" against today? Yet somehow these stupid fucks think it's the other way around, even though workplace diversity quotas and affirmative action are blatantly discriminatory.
>>73816235
nope. I think they got scared by the patriarchy or something :P
>>73809404
You are doing great. :)
>>73806524
Hi OP. I just archived your posts on Social Autopsy. Now all of your future employers will have access to your little facebook tirade.
Have fun never getting a job, sexist pig.
>>73817280
> make facebook post about women engineers and how to get more
> see a man reply
> open up online dictionary and tumblr simultaneously to get better chances at winning internet fight
> construct an ouroboro type argument similar to the ones you see on tumblr
> man who replies has an actually decent argument that isn't self contradicting
> protest patriarchy by blocking man
> close dictionary and facebook
> cry on tumblr about how triggered you are
> open up facebook again and delete all of your comments
> hold grudge for rest of life
>>73806524
>Is there systematic discrimination, /pol/?
I work in chemistry, and they are so desperate to get women into the field - if you have a vagina and look like you aren't completely demented you will get awards and research grants out of the ass, no questions asked.
Why are you trying to discuss with a fucking woman? That's like trying to discuss philosophy with a 6 year old kid. Their brain isn't made for logical discussions.
>>73818054
(You)
>>73818821
I've had this happen on many occasions. To be fair, I always kick the hornets nest, but when the hornets respond so predictably, it's tough not to see if maybe one of them manages to come out of the nest not entirely pissed off and with their finger on the block button.
>>73808194
There be some sort of system whereby white people looking for jobs should tick the box marked 'black', and then at interview say that they identify as black. A savvy employer would then take on the 'black' person, filling their quota of minorities with a good, honest, white folks.
>>73808130
>women are just as good as men at STEM
>women need special women only conferences to help them in STEM
>>73809404
Game
Set
Match
Keep up the good work, OP.
>>73813556
Way to hit below the waterline. Love it.
>>73818054
kek
he lives in serbia
most people are full on /pol/
>>73808454
apparently, inclusion is more important than truth or good science.
>>73806524
This "representation" shit has gotten out of hand. Just because there happens to be a larger number of one set of individuals present whom all possess some of the same physical traits does not mean that there is a some sort of exclusionary conspiracy at work to keep out those who do not share these physical traits. Further feelings of "exclusion" based on the fact that one is present in a room filled with people possessing different traits does not mean those feelings are justified. Indeed, it is a form of neurosis, because not only have these folks been programmed to see only the physical, but they have been so brainwashed to cling to such a thing, that they based their feelings of safety and self worth on whether or not their are enough people present who have been "born right."
1. Perception is not reality.
2. Feelings of inferiority or injury are not justifiable just because they are felt.
3. People are individuals, because none exist as a collective consciousness.
4. The smallest minority in existence is the individual, which is why it is an atrocity to judge anyone or to treat them differently because of stereotypes or generalizations.
>>73813556
This is gold OP. Keep it coming if you can
>>73813556
Literally fucked her sideways OP, expect her not to reply or to argue in bad faith and be all "yeah i would be fine with that, i'm sure feminists would be fully for it"
I don't know if anyone is still following this thread, but she replied
>>73825497
jesus christ
>>73806524
>women identified
OP here, what should I reply?
>>73808587
In Australia you need an aboriginal to vouch for you...and absolutely nothing more. They have run fairly complex welfare scams for decades with this system. One tribe was even selling "membership" to guys looking to get some extra guilt bux
>>73825497
Ask her who is discouraging girls from entering STEM fields. Their overwhelmingly female school teachers? Their society that holds female only conferences to FORCE more female participation in STEM?
>>73812005
Women are half the population yet less than 10% of the garbage men.
We should work on this issue first, since it is easier to solve and even more imbalanced than STEM.
>>73812619
You already know the answer, Nigel.
Women want mandated equal representation because they are unable to compete based on merit.
>>73808587
I do this
I say african
they actually legally can't ask any further
>>73825497
>the visual imagery I get from reading her replies.
>>73825497
women get a ton of support if they do show any interest at all in STEM, far more then men ever do.
why are these idiots so obsessed with equal representation.
cant they just accept women are less likely to be interested in it then men are.
>>73826156
Maybe something like this. >>73826743
Try to turn the tables and just politely say, obviously sarcastically, that you understand and you'd like to see a women's conference to wedge their way into the garbage management industry. Idk can't think up much else right now
>>73826426
barbie dolls bro
and easy bake ovens
you fuckin shitlord don't you know anything
>>73812522
This
>>73825497
What did she study?
>>73827139
Do the what did you study? trap
>>73828275
oh you fuckin know what she studied
OP here. Did I do well?
>>73828375
Then why didn't she choose STEM?
>>73828427
way to prove rape culture dumbass by brutally raping her with that post
>>73828496
cause it's easier to study feminism then try to ride the litigation train of feminists going after business owners and get your job as an affirmative action higher instead?
>>73828427
Prepare for
>[TRIGGERED]
>someone isnt as good as someone else on a certain field
>lower that field's standards is the sollution
this is the world we live in right now..let that sink in for a second
pretty soon things as the olympics are gonna be considered racist sexist and "promoting unhealthy competitiveness"
>>73810414
Maybe we should start initiatives to do just that?
>>73828427
My asshole is gushing out bloody deluge from the amount of rape you just inflicted on me.
>>73829274
I know, it's horrible, but emotions speak louder than reason these days
>>73828427
Too aggressive, inb4 euphemistic "sexist shitlord" and rehash of her previous posts
>>73829869
I know, but I'm just over it, desu. I'm just trying to get her to explode
>>73829274
I'm honestly surprised that the games haven't come under fire yet, for the reasons you listed and promoting nationalism.
>>73830271
this will happen in the next 5 or 10 at most, years
>>73830054
Keep us posted, OP.
This is an exercise in futility, OP. A woman who spent who-knows how much money and three years of her life getting that gender study degree will never, ever be able to accept the truth that what they dedicated all that time and those resources is complete and utter bullshit. No matter how long your spend with that one particular individual, you'll never make her usher the words "you are right".
Just give up man. Arguing with feminists does not achieve a single thing. You're either brain-washed or you're not. Once you are, there's no going back.
>>73808822
>tfw have high grades and am a dude but couldn't get into nursing this round
Feels bad, man. I must have come across as either a sperg in the useless questionnaires or something
>>73825497
what a fucking dodge, tell her to answer the damn question.
>>73830572
>Couldn't get into nursing
I doubt your grades were very good m8. Unless nursing is 1000000x more competitive than in Australia.
Didn't read the image but yes, though it's not set in stone who gets the shit end of the stick, in America at times it has been the Irish.
I studied physics and astrophysics at a Russell Group uni and had several female lecturers. A woman ran one of the departments. Since I left, two of my previous lecturers, both female, have been promoted to full professorships.
None of this is down to sexism. None of this is down to filling quotas - every single one of these women was fucking dedicated and excellent at what they did (especially the woman who was head of her particular group - she's arguably the most intimidatingly intelligent person I've ever met). The basic fucking truth is this: in STEM, you're judged by your ability and your output - you can't waffle your way into a position. You're either competent or you're not. And if you're competent, you will rise to the top because your sex is fucking irrelevant.
The problem with the whole "women in STEM" movement is the women involved all want the juice without the squeeze. They all want to be regarded as the new Bill Gates and on the cover of magazines without fucking doing anything. STEM is full of women; it's just that they're too busy actually doing STEM to be bothered with this fucking bullshit.
>>73812721
the saddest part is that it doesn't even surprise me anymore ...
>>73830423
maybe someone will read the comments and reconsider, who knows, just keep applying logic and hope that more people will see the light, i know it's probably hopeless but idk giving up is kind of a bitch move
>>73830677
I literally had straight As through high school and college
"Systematic discrimination", fucking christ. I'm a Math major and I would love more fucking women in those classes, especially at higher levels. It's a fucking sausage sperg fest in higher division courses. But don't throw in women who are just going to drop out or ask stupid fucking questions because they got in by "affirmative action".
>>73830738
This, the women who are at that level through their own skill alone are genius tier and usually pretty cool.
Do you think there will ever be a point where modern universities will become such blatantly shit to the sane population for their liberal agenda, safe space culture, gender study programs and the likes, that one day, new universities will start opening, offering none of that bullshit? In my mind, I'd like to imagine that if such an university would be to open their doors tomorrow, there'll be plenty of professors all around the world who are disillusioned with the current state of western universities and would gladly want to move and work there instead. And I can imagine that there would be a market for it, I'm sure there's a ton of students who'd pay a premium for the chance not to endure the stupidity of modern colleges.
>>73830916
That's odd. Nursing is like a fall back career in Australia. People see it as a career that pays decently and is easy to get into.
Then they realize they'll spend their lives working brutal shiftwork and being assaulted by patients.
My sister who has done pretty much nothing since graduating highschool like 6 years ago just got into nursing.
>>73827023
Are you kidding me? That girl is a badass. She is willingly suffering third-degree burns to have more precise soldering control.
>Statistical discrepancies = systematic discrimination
The NBA must be discriminatory is fuck considering how many black guys play in their teams.
>>73831207
kek
>>73831312
You can't be discriminatory against white people because discrimination comes from a position of power, and black people have none. exx dee.
>>73830738
the women who complain that there aren't enough women in stem fields, are never interested in stem fields, these women of all people should realize that some people are just into different things
i do not understand how they will ever be happy, there will never be a point where there are certain percentages of women in these fields, unless women are forced to go into these fields or the standards are lowered and in that case then what's the point?
>>73826743
had I discussion with my liberal mom about this.
>rambles about men not wanting to do shitty jobs like nurse or housecleaner and instead just aim for the "nice" jobs
>ask her why women don't work as plumber or garbage men in exchange
>"that's something completely different! women can't do these jobs because we're physically unsuited for them"
>"oh, so men should do ALL the shitty jobs, while women should be thrown into all the nice ones?"
>"w-well, yeah!...because like I said, women can't do mens work!"
that's how these people think about this crap
>>73831471
Equality in the workplace extends to air-conditioned offices only m8.
>>73831009
>This, the women who are at that level through their own skill alone are genius tier and usually pretty cool.
They're not genius tier (apart from maybe one) - few people are. They're just good physicists. The problem is if you want to be a good professional physicist, you've got to work really fucking hard at it - something gender studies types just don't understand.
>Women are discouraged from STEM fields
Here in Britain, there are scholarships EXCLUSIVELY for women studying STEM subjects at University. FREE MONEY for being female, around £1000 a year. When my accommodation costs £5000 a year, that can make a huge difference.
Also, ask her what course she's studying.
>>73831683
My sister got 1.8k just in grants for doing engineering, it might be more because we're NI though
>>73813556
The MADMAN
>>73806847
I grew a beard and when people question me on it at work, I tell them I'm Jewish and ask if they are anti-semitic and have a problem with my beard. Of course they say they don't.
>>73828427
>WOW HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT LIKE REALLY WOW
>>73828427
Love it
>>73808130
>whether or not this is true is irrelevant
The left in a nutshell.
>>73830054
No updates yet?
OP here. I'm gonna sleep now, if anyone interested keep bumping the post when it gets down on catalog and I'll update you in the morning
>>73827120
>women get a ton of support if they do show any interest at all in STEM
yeah because of things like this, thats her point
>>73806524
no...its the same reason most mechanics and rubbishmen are male...you cant force women to do jobs they dont want to do lol
http://www.sheknows.com/living/articles/1120821/drafting-women
Guys, this is worthy of a cringe rage anal explosion, especially the comments of the few feminists.
Canadian/American/English bros (because SJW mainly exist in your countries, at least for the whole feminism crap) is in your opinion feminism going to die in terms of popularity among the population, especially the female one?
>>73827023
please make the horrors stop
>>73806654
FPBP
>>73828427
woah OP chiilll there with the first degree murder bro
>>73833022
why would they change their minds? These ideas are very popular among young people. Normies love this shit. You're kidding yourself if you think it'll fade. Ideological integrity doesn't mean a lot to virtue signalers.
>graduate student in mathematics
>no dating pool whatsoever
>don't really mind the department bringing in more women
>>73833022
Sorry, another idea just came to me: don't ignore how profitable this stuff is. The media loves the racket, social media types love it, it's all part of a larger game. And it's efficient: they know exactly how to blacklist someone if they get out of line. Leftists perceive their struggle as part of "the good fight" and will use any means to justify what they do, even if completely innocent people are slandered through it (think about UVA, Duke, etc.) Again, they do not care about the truth of the matter. It's about power, namely removing power from their perceived enemies (rich white men) and putting in the hands of the "oppressed", a designation now heartily fought for. Could you have ever imagined a time when one would actually desperately clamor to be called a victim? That's the racket, that's the game at work.
I, for one, have stopped giving a shit. I'm comfortable, have a good job, and will hopefully die or move away before the true end.
>>73834105
Then I'm happy to be Italian where this shit is still unthinkable luckily.
They're being held to the same standards which is discrimination.
>>73806654
just end my life senpai
>>73806524
Math grad here. Math in college is now a feminine major due to how the classes are structured. Be a good goy (like all women are) and copy the professor's notes over and over and you ace the test. They still suck and mooch off the guys for answers but it's a very easy major for women now.
>>73834803
>lowering standards for women
if standards need lowered for them doesn't that just prove their inferiority?
>>73834803
Not trying to attack you here mate but the whole American university system is a fucking joke. It's more like enjoying young life and party than studying. Also lmao at your fields like Feminism and useless shit like that.
math is sexist so women need special accommodations to feel included in stem fields
>>73806524
>Is there systematic discrimination, /pol/?
Yes, it's called 'affirmative action'
>>73825497
Wait what? Is biology not considered STEM?
Ask her for an example of this "solid documentation" of exclusion in STEM.
>>73835024
Ummm no????? Do you not want equality where women are also able be a math persons or something...??? You sound like a sexist pig, women are the primary victims of war also shitlord.
>>73836489
It's not STEM because the narrative is that STEM only includes degrees where men are in the majority. Therefore, any degree with a female majority is not considered STEM.
>>73832497
this
>>73836868
war triggers me you fucking shitlord i cant even think rifht now because you triggered me so hard. APOLIGIZE
