Shitposting and memes aside, do you actually want Trump to win?
"The System" hates him. Top to bottom. Back to front. It doesn't matter what side of the hypothetical political divide anyone is on; They all want him to lose. They didn't even want to let him be the nominee and have been playing the game on both sides to try and, even if they are setting themselves up to lose the whole game, prevent him from being nominated. Some even say he'll crash the world economy or cause World War 3,000. Simply be being president, he'll bring about the end of the world*!
Sounds like my kind of president.
*system
People always vote for the underdog
Lol no, Trump is dangerous fuck that. Ignorant foreign policy ideas, reckless authoritarian personality and tendencies. It's just a bad idea.
>>73781880
Reagan pls
>>73781910
I'm a liberal actually.
>>73781958
>librul
Kys
Politics should be fun.
>>73781880
>Ignorant foreign policy ideas, reckless authoritarian personality and tendencies.
He's American as fuaark
>>73782000
Nah man I'm pretty happy with my life.
>shitposting and memes aside
You may be on the wrong board
>>73782036
All the bad American stereotypes.
SJW's, do you really want SOME OF TRUMP?
I don't think so. WATCH.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dGXeQM-tg
>>73781634
Yes. The asspain from liberals will be epic. Like the Zimmerman verdict, only 100-times better.
>>73782087
You mean website. 4chan is a joke and reddit is where it's at.
Let's realistically look at what the worst case scenario is.
Trump is elected. He talks about building his wall. Congress flatly refuses to fund it.
He talks about banning all muslims. Turns out this is unconstitutional and the supreme court shuts him down.
He wants to defeat ISIS.
He sends the marines over to shoot at more muslims.
He gets us bogged down in another ground war in the middle est against an indefinable enemy with no real territory, supply lines, or bases to bomb. We end up nation building in Syria for 30 years while the sauds and jews rub their hands together for getting rid of their annoying neighbors.
None of his domestic policies will pass congress. The only thing he has unilateral control over is the military and I don't give a fuck about ISIS. They are not a threat to us. Let them carve up syria and Iraq, I don't give a fuck.
Also his trade policy is going to make things worse.
Also he doesn't believe in climate change. Which, even for pol, is stretching it.
>>73781782
This. Also the fact that everyone is do sure he can't win makes me want to see him in office. His presidency would cause asshurt of biblical proportions, I want to see that happen.
>>73782099
It's still miles better than having a woman or a jew as your president.
>>73782257
>This. Also the fact that everyone is do sure he can't win makes me want to see him in office. His presidency would cause asshurt of biblical proportions, I want to see that happen.
Like many Trump voters, this is entirely and emotional appeal and literally nothing you said was addressing his policy proposals. Thanks for further proving that Trumplets are unfit to vote.
>>73782289
Is there something inherently wrong with jews and women?
Either Trump and Putin will become best buddies, or there will be WW3. Works for me in both ways.
>>73781782
Well said. I'm not even the standard /pol/ alt-right, I'm sort of... a left-leaning centrist with a libertarian streak. But I want to see Trump win for this exact reason. MAGA
>>73781634
He's like Caesar
>A narcissistic prick who is somewhat successful in what he does, and due to his popularity is on a quest to usurp power from the establish (and ever degenerating) self serving elite.
The point is not who he is, but what it means for the system. You bring an established system which is already in a spiralling death of decay (aka self serving politicians who are propped by agenda chasing media who also sponsor self serving celebrities) and put this man in a position where he dismember this oligarchical construct.
Amidst the impending turmoil, powers will shift and decentralize, allegiances will change, and overall as the power struggle settles, often times you will find a more egalitarian environment (until people forget and become complacent and people of power begin to centralize power again for their own selfish reasons).
>>73781634
Yes.
>>73782172
To be fair, if a guy who have been alive for 70 years haven't noticed any increase in temperature, I will probably believe him more than some guy who gets paid depending if its real or not
>>73781634
If a libertarian can't win, then Trump is the best alternative, unfortunately.
>>73781782
Good post
>>73781634
Trump is such a bizarre looking person. Like actually so strange looking. He looks like he was drawn by Dr. Seuss or something.
![8YkblL[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PJpFepj.jpg "8YkblL[1].jpg")
>>73781880
>waaah, Danger Don: The Chaos Candidate wants to tear down all the global power we worked so hard for, waaaahhh
My favorite are Neo-cons trying to find "contradictions" in his foreign policy speech.
>woah woah woah, you want to invade a country and NOT install a new US-controlled puppet
>didn't he go to regime-change 101?!
>>73782489
I'm 24 and the climate of New England has noticeably changed since I was a kid. We've had 3 or 4 winters where it was 60 degrees in January starting in 2009 and that never happened before.
>>73781634
yeah, i am a stone mason, and it is hard to under bid a 14 man group of mexicans who live in a 2 bedroom house working for 50$ a day each who basically pay 60$ each a month for bills and send the rest back to mexico to their family, bleeding the nation dry and creating untaxed income every year they are here.
>>73781634
He is supported by uneducated americsns who want to "win" and foreigners who want to "lol".
>>73781634
It doesn't matter whether we want him to win; he will be president come January.
>>73781634
Yes.I will support anything that stops a vagina from having codes for the doomsday machine.
>>73782616
>it didn't happen in those 24 years of my life
FTFY
>>73782609
What is the alternative?
>>73782722
You can ask older people or look at the records and they'll tell you the same.
Our weather has been fucked for the past few years.
>>73781634
No, he might nuke Europe.
>>73782056
So you have to go and ruin everyone else's lives by supporting shitcunt politicians?
Die in a fire.
I may actually vote this time...
>>73782633
explain to me how it's the government's fault that you chose a shitty career?
In the libertarian world you would be priced out of the market. Sorry.
Building a wall is big government protectionism. Stifling trade is big government protectionism.
How is he a republican candidate? He openly opposes free trade.
Yes I want Him or bernie, because they'd the most interesting presidents to see. I really don't care about the effects I just want to be entertained
>>73782364
Yes.
>>73782798
Satellite data show that the average global temperature has been stable for the last 20 years, some regions having colder or warmer weather than normal happens all the bloody time, but is no indication of any global warming or "change" because change is the default state of weather.
He wants to give nukes to Japan
If you don't understand why this is a bad thing, you need to read a book before commenting on politics
>>73781782
> Everyone can see he's a dangerous fool who does not deserve the presidency
> *puts on shades*
> ...sounds like my kind of president
WEW LAD
>>73782884
>Having borders is big gov protectionisim
JUST
>>73782798
My grandfathers 88 he hasnt noticed shit
>>73782664
Typical
>>73781634
I do, I think he'll be the only candidate who will stop the slime invading Europe right now. It will be hilarious to see all our pathetic leaders having to kiss his arse.
>>73782056
Are you happy with those singles while he got dem sick az trips?
>>73783059
learn how to interpret trends.
There is a clear warming trend. It's obvious to anyone who isn't paid off by oil companies. /Pol/ is supposed to be all about uncovering conspiracy theories and shit, but you trust the guys who are on the oil companies payroll more than every other scientist out there?
Where does all this Co2 go? Co2 is a greenhouse gas. We burn fuels which give off Co2. Where is that Co2 going?
We're removing forests, oceans are warming and releasing stored Co2. Permafrost is melting and releasing frozen methane. Cows are producing methane.
Where is all this gas going?
Don't believe global warming if you don't want to, but first tell me how all this gas is just magically transported out of our atmosphere and is having no effect whatsoever.
This denial is fucking retarded. It's up there with body positivity fat acceptance in blatant disregard for facts.
>>73782798
There's 1000 alternatives to regime-change retard, but none give the same amount of direct power to the US. Trump is the biggest dove when it comes to foreign policy, and would much rather have nation-states with sovereignty as allies, than tyrannical monarchies that we've installed for control, but have grown so powerful, they're controlling us.
Also, his foreign policy team has absolutely no one from the neo-conservative or liberal-interventionist think-tanks found all over capital hill. You know he's doing something right if he has everyone on the Council on Foreign Relations sperging out, and actually has George Soros trying one of his "Springs" over here in the States.
>>73782798
Came across a vid on youtube yesterday. Snowden purportedly said that global warming is a hoax. That's on my list of shit to look into today. Might owe my dad an apology. He hasn't noticed shit either and has thought from the start it reeked of bullshit.
trump doesn't seem intellectual enough to know how to really disassemble the problems/loopholes while there are many, scratches the surface.
ron paul/trump 2016
>>73782172
>he doesn't know that the wall has been approved since 2006
>he doesn't know that the president can stop any one entering for any (or no) reason constitutionally
>>73783538
Even if we assume this is true, what the fuck does snowden know about global warming?
He was a fucking contractor for the CIA not a NOAA scientist. He doesn't know shit.
>>73783128
and I bet you're 14
>>73781634
With every bit of my soul I want him to win. It's our last chance.
>>73783538
>Snowden purportedly said that global warming is a hoax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tebTD6yWOX0
>>73783538
I'm looking it up right now, and can't find any credible sources for that.
>>73783597
And what amendment to the constitution would that be?
And that "wall" you're referring to? You mean the fence that was funded 1.2 billion and then abandoned because Congress realized it wasn't worth investing in?
>>73782884
How can you shit on a fellow American who is trying to make an honest living? You sound like a fucking cunt. How about you get a job and move out over your parents house then let us know how it feels to compete in the real world son. Fucking child.
>>73782172
>He talks about banning all muslims. Turns out this is unconstitutional and the supreme court shuts him down.
the president is commander in chief. he gets to control the entire army and secure the borders. it has nothing to do with any of the other branches of gov't except his office.
>>73782172
>Also his trade policy is going to make things worse.
no, it's going to make things better
>>73783128
I'm 25 and the weather in my area is certainly getting more and more sporadic and unpredictable than it previously was.
We had 70-80 degree weather in Winter and are experiencing days in the 30s to 40s in fucking May. Shit's backwards bro. I live in a coastal city on the Coastal Mid-east. We'll just say Virginia.
Not a man or women on earth I'd choose over the Don.
Absolutely, I will have completely lost faith in the U.S if he is not elected.
>>73782884
>skilled trade
>shitty career
I'd be interested to see how many weeks it would take you to sloppily accomplish what that guy can power through in a day. Trump openly opposes free trade as it's currently being carried out because we're getting screwed by it. He's said he's all for free trade when it's conducted well. Pls explain how wanting to look out for your own people is a bad quality to be had in the leader of a nation.
>>73782158
Good, go back there now
I'd primarily be affected by Trump's foreign policy, which suits me absolutely fine. Apart from that, his more subtle impact on the current sociopolitical narrative is superb, and I will always be in his debt even for what he's achieved so far, merely in his primaries campaign.
>>73783979
>this child like understanding of politics
WEW LAD
>>73783965
muh jerbs.
Libertarian economics doesn't give a fuck about your job or your feelings.
Republicans are all anti-minimum wage, anti-welfare, anti-taxes, anti guberment interfering with the free market.
But then when we want to spend money building a giant wall to protect the shittiest jobs in the economy that someone who cant speak english will do, oh they're suddenly all for it.
When we want to put tariffs on our trade so that consumers eat the difference in jacked up prices, they're all for it.
>>73784150
This magical solution to trade isn't as simple as saying "fuck you china" or "fuck you mexico"
The corporations do not give a fuck what trump says. If he wants to tax them then so be it. They will pass the cost on to the consumer, aka you and me and all the other shortsighted voters.
>>73783456
Again with this libshit faggot authoritarian asshole. Please go back to reading your UN scientific studies designed to force a one world gov't. Tell your mommy all about it while she warms you up a hot pocket.
>>73784326
good argument.
you almost had to explain your logic but then you just implied I live at home and am a neet.
>>73782158
>>73781958
>I'm a liberal
>Reddit is where it's at
Should have seen that coming. Fuck off faggot.
I would prefer John Kasich, any Democratic candidate, any Libertarian candidate, Jill Stein of the Green Party, and probably anyone the Socialist Party could come up with, to Donald Trump.
Trump's only redeeming quality is that at least he isn't Ted Cruz.
>>73782412
What does that say?
>>73782172
>He talks about banning all muslims. Turns out this is unconstitutional and the supreme court shuts him down
Turns out this nigger doesn't know anything about the Constitution
>>73783142
Funny that it's the same voter base that backs Sanders as well.
>>73784432
Guinea .....
breh move out of the the forth most undeveloped country on the planet ... then you can discuss american politics.
>>73784326
Not an argument, faggot.
>>73784550
Literally says on the front fucking page of the board not to do what you just did, nigger.
>>73783456
Plants eat Co2, the more there is the faster they grow the faster it is consumed.
Young tress grow faster and thus consume more Co2 than older trees so the lumbering industry help, many of parts in the world have never had so much forest as they have now.
>clear warming trend
Yeah no, we have some freakishly cold and long winters here the last 10 years, sure some were barely cold but thats common enough.
yes
>>73784634
marijuana growers put CO2 in the grow room to increase yields. Photosynthesis is:
6CO2 + 6H2O ------> C6H12O6 + 6O2
so for every 6mol of CO2, 6 mol of Oxygen is created.
climate change, or global warming - whichever buzzword you want to use - is a mass propaganda lie to implement carbon taxes. Once you have the power to tax the globe, you have the power to police the globe.
>>73784150
He can't explain. He is a prostitute and sucks dicks for a living. Millennial scum that thinks everyone owes him something because he was born. Never had to bust ass. Never had to compete in the real world. He is just on here regurgitating talking points he heard from his teacher or favorite media pundit. No real solution just a semi educated gibsmedat at best
>>73783680
That's part of why I gotta look into it further. The video didn't go into detail on that, it focused on the guy's credibility.
>>73783837
>>73783923
Ah. Thank you both.
>>73784634
Friendly reminder that cyanobacteria are the major source of photosynthetic reactions on Earth.
>>73784388
Because you are faggot. No one listens to your shit in real life. So you come in here and take it on everyone else. In real life you'd get your shit pushed in.
>>73781880
Basically this. Hillary bows Trump out of the water on foreign policy
>>73782364
>being this new
>>73784586
People with real governments are talking nigger.
>>73784928
Yeah that too
>b-but muh warming will kill them all!
As if they won't adapt to higher temperatures if it was actually real
Yes I want a 14% flat tax rate to go through
>>73781634
Even if he fucks up literally everything else, as long as he tightens the border and upturns the current political status quo, he will be the best American president in decades.
>>73783953
It would be Article II, the bit about the executive departments. Since the state department handles refugees and immigration applications, the president can tell them to stop processing requests from certain countries. For example, Obama ordered a six month freeze on refugees from Iraq in 2011
>implying democrats didn't refuse to finish the fence because dats rayciss
Shout out to all the scrublords trying to push their anecdotal experiences as proof against global warming
>but muh grandpappy
unless your grand-dad is secretely a published research paper, science doesn't care
>>73781634
A hundred percent YES!
>>73782811
> he's the president Europe needs
I fail to see how your reasoning would result in you saying 'no'.
>>73782056
He got trips you have to do it
>>73784634
>young tress grow faster and thus consume more Co2
indisputable logic of the highest degree.
The US is the only significant nation adding trees.
address the science and stop being such a fucking retard. Don't come in here spraying bullshit out your idiot hole like you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>73784804
in what way shape or form does this disprove anything anyone has ever said about global warming? that's a 1-1 relation. It's not 10 oxygen for every 2 co2.
also, co2 is not the only greenhouse gas! Methane, water vapor, cfcs, there are a bunch of them!
>>73781634
of course not, you are only asking this because all the Hillary threads on this site keep getting archived or simply ignored.
Liberals outnumber conservatives in this country.
Remember how mad the left got at Mitt Romneys private speech at that dinner in 2012? It was fucking nothing and yet the left went crazy.
Now take that reaction, and multiply it by 100 for trump.
All those people who voted Obama are still here you know.
>>73785165
>implying it wasn't because muh frogs
>>73781634
>do you actually want Trump to win?
YES
However do i think he's gonna win? Nope. I'm 90% sure Hillary is gonna win on November, unless there is a very large Trump supporters silent majority.
>inb4 shill
>>73785355
>2016
>not being racist against frogs
>>73782633
>being so shit at life that your job can be done by a spic
You deserve it
>>73785339
Then come with some fucking science
Science as in observable and unmanipulated data which automatically excludes all "research" on global warming.
Enjoy paying tax and losing your job because of this bullshit
>>73782330
I'm sure free shit is a more reasonable campaign narrative
>>73781634
>not wanting 8 years of meme magic
>>73784289
...and? What's the takeaway here other than you confirming you're a shortsighted voter?
>>73785077
>LOOK MUM I DID IT AGAIN
At least our government can get a bill through Parliament.
>>73781634
What kind of question is that? Of course I want him to win. He's the best option for world peace, and the alternatives will accelerate the fall of civilization.
>>73784445
it's in ukrainian
>FREEDOM
>
>DEMOCRAT FRIENDS
>IVAN AND UNCLE SAM
>the handshake of allies: America greets Russia
>>73785701
When has that ever been true?
>>73784445
Freedom
Comrades-Democrats
Ivan and Uncle Sam
Fraternization of allies: America greets Russia
>>73785763
russian civil war in 1917-1922
the white movement
>>73785701
RARE
>>73785855
Fair enough.
>>73785820
Thanks.
>>73785701
>it's in ukrainian
>>73785924
Not really. Anyone got the town rapist meme?
>>73785498
>Science as in observable and unmanipulated data which automatically excludes all "research" on global warming.
>BRING ME THE MOON ON A STICK
Do you say this kind of bullshit whenever anyone discusses anything empirical?
> Did you hear about this new histone research, here's the Nature pap--
> I DON'T WANT PUBLISHED RESEARCH, IT'S NOT OBJECTIVE ENOUGH FOR MY HIGH STANDARDS
get a grip you pleb
>>73785961
what language is it then
belarussian?
>Trump wins
>you can shitpost about how Americans vote a reality tv show star without any experience or knowledge in politics into the highest political office
>you can shitpost about the wall that's never going to happen since Mexico won't pay for it
>Trump loses
>all the Trumpfags will be butthurt
>you can laugh at their anger and shitpost
Either way, America loses.
>>73781782
>proper use of semi-colon
>tasteful thickness
>my god... It even has a watermark
I am against weather stations on retarded places, data from them going through algorithms to bring the data in line with shitty older ways of collecting because the new data is obviously "wrong".
Meanwhile, satellite data is the devil because it doesn't show any increase in temperature in decades.
>>73786265
Meant for >>73785999
>>73786025
It's Russian. The old one. Like from over a century ago.
>>73785339
its a 1 to one relation, but in an equillibrium, when you increase the reactant, the product also increases by the same amt
>>73784989
>Killing Gaddafi for daring to challenge the USD with the Gold Dinar only destabilized Libya and allowed ISIS to grow larger; they even charged their name to ISIL because of how large they grew
>trying to usurp Ukraine to challenge Putin (yay, Georgia all over again, but worse) with NGOs was a total disaster, and only destabilized the country; while Putin still found a way to bypass sanctions through the Black Sea (Crimea lol)
>trying regime-change in Syria because their ELECTED president didn't want to install the Qatar oil-pipe only lead to another destabilized country, and the US stretched so far, it basically had to admit it was funding """""""moderate""""""" terrorist groups openly
>this of course was all known openly to BRICS since Hillary's unencrypted e-mail server telegraphed every move the US made on the globe
>now, Hillary still manages to out-hawk even the neo-cons by wanting to openly stand against all the evil Hamas and Hezbollah that make up 110% of the population of Palestine, and to give more land to glorious Israel (courtesy of Goldman Sachs)
Yea, Hillary has been a real star on the global stage. I'll take the man that actually got Zionists to clap for peace in the Middle East.
>>73784866
Kinda funny too that he just got done telling someone else to learn how to interpret trends. I wasn't a Trump supporter initially. Watched a few of the debates and thought he seemed like a pompous ass. When my mind changed about who I'd be voting for, I still didn't think all that highly of him. Noticing the trend you're talking about among those who were militantly against him is what finally drove the consideration all the way home. Imagine my delight when I started lurking this board (which I really should've done sooner, this place is fucking hilarious and pretty decently informative in its own uniquely /pol/ way) and actually looked at Trump's policies as *he's* outlined them. Talk about pleasant surprises.
>>73786964
thanks
assumed it was ukrainian/belarusian because of the i and ъ
Yup. America can use a little testosterone. Sick of these empty suits and bleeding vaginas crying about nothing... at least he'll give them something to cry about.
>>73782609
THIS.
>all these people upset about his "horrible foreign policy"
L O L
Fuck off warmongers. We're not playing world police anymore, deal with it.
>>73787011
>not using the updated gif
>>73787011
>>73787257
What are these from anyway?
>>73784989
How so? What makes you say that?
>>73786044
>Mexico won't pay for it
>Swiss in charge of money
Trump will dock the Mexican aid which is not their right, the yanks give it on the condition that their southern neighbor gets its act together. Since it is clear it won't and the billions of dollars worth of drugs and shipped back money has made illegal immigration a life blood of Mexico, Trump is cutting their aid a few billion. Will they be mad? Yes but fuck em. Why are they entitled to American Tax Payer money?
>>73784261
>thinking you know more about the american constitution
The President decides who does and does not get to come into the country.
If a group is designated a security risk, he can shut them out by himself.
If Trump wins I get to see SJW's and tumblerinas throw an absolute shitfit and have tears for years. If Hillary wins I get to watch /pol/ break down like little bitches and throw mad tantrum.
Either way I get a great show and lots of laughs. Nothing will change regardless of who wins. This country is firmly in the hands of the Jews and our path is already set. Presidents are just actors.
>>73787078
No problem, senpai. I too am getting confused by this from time to time.
>>73781634
A little part of my wants to see the world burn, so yes. Still, if I were a burger bro, I would vote for Hillary. She is going to "Make America 2012 Again"
>>73787298
the first castlevania, IIRC
>>73782811
Why do you think that Wilders is getting on Trump's good side already?
It's simple: We get on his good side, and we get front row tickets as he removes kebab.
>>73787673
No, these GIFS in their current form.
>>73781634
Of course not
>>73781634
I'd rather we just didn't have a president for four years because they managed to put together a full group of terrible fucking choices, but Trump is the most likely to kill the TPP so he's the least evil choice.
>>73781634
Honestly, I think he's both too retarded and reckless to be president. The people he picks suck too.
>>73787321
0.01$ that got deposited in his account by hillary for america(tm)
Exactly why is a non-intervention foreign policy a bad thing? Ron paul said this for years. Atm you are bankrupting your own country and still lose all your wars.
>>73781634
I think he says a lot of stupid shit. But the stupid shit he says is mostly harmless. I also don't idolize him or think he's a particular great man.
However, I would vote for him because of the political situation in the western world today and because the established politicians on either side of the political spectrum are just going to keep going down the road of self-destruction, political correctness and self-loathing.
Trump's strong points aren't based on political insight or brilliance. It's based on his willingness to defy political correctness and to be man enough to stand up in defiance and say whatever he wants. He also seems to know how powerful America's position is in the world, and appears to be willing to use this as leverage to get other countries to do his bidding, which is something no American president has done in a very long time. The techniques he uses in debates might seem crude, but he still dominates the people around him and comes out on top because people simply can't handle him, and they end up looking confused, weak and flustered. He could say the moon is made of cheese, and he would still come out on top in a presidental debate.
America needs a bulldozer who's full of confidence and who'll never apologize, which makes Trump the best presidential candidate because he represents the opposite of the weak, pathetic, apologetic culture of self-loathing that the west has adopted over the past few decades. Maybe he can bring back some of the strength and confidence that the US used to be known for.
>>73781634
No, he's an international-capitalist cock-sucker. Capitalism has no moral compass, no principals. It will turn the people living under it into animals that act solely on impulse, not a shred of dignity. The so-called "social gains" of the 20th century occurred solely because they happened to benefit and profit the international-capitalists.
>>73787011
>Fucking based
>>73781634
Yeah I think it'd be fucking hilarious. Imagine the shitstorm. I hope to god he wins.
God wills it OP
>>73788215
> He could say the moon is made of cheese, and he would still come out on top in a presidental debate.
> I judge someone's aptitude to be president not on rationality, but on saying stupid shit
God bless fampai, burgerland gr8 again 2k17
>>73788217
Of course, all of the candidates are internationalists, so I don't want them to win. Not just Trump.
>>73782602
>Trump is such a bizarre looking person.
What are you talking about?
>>73781634
Yes. I'm actually ironically voting for him. I would've wanted Cruz, but this can't end better.
>>73783125
>nukes are so baaaaad, we should get rid of all our nukes while our enemies keep theirs
Nukes for Japan (and an actual military instead of the JGSDF) is a GOOD thing. Nukes are sovereignty, might is right, they give your country a lot more political clout if you have the same arms as everyone else. Let's break down end-game theory:
>Japan has no nukes, they're only part of our nuclear umbrella
>China one day decides Hiroshima wasn't enough, and sends another nuke on Tokyo
>Joint Chiefs decide to sacrifice Japan as a pawn to avoid any bombs hitting home, and also to use the event to isolate China from its allies
>no one will criticize the US for not sending nukes towards Shanghai in accordance to their nuclear umbrella agreement, they'll just focus on China instead
Japan right now is a pawn and puppet in the Pacific when it comes to US foreign policy, giving them nukes and a military actually gives them sovereignty.
Next you're gonna tell me being the US president is the same as being president of the """"""""free world"""""""".
I also found my Trump Quest gif I was looking for.
>>73788389
Are you really that retarded? I was pointing out that he's good at debating and arguing his case, which is an extremely important part of being a politician. I didn't say his points were actually bad, just that he could argue bad points and actually get out on top if he wanted to.
>>73786025
LoL, it's the old pre-Revolution orthography! Obrazovanie is this bad in Kishinyov?!
yes.
current leftism is a malignant, damaging force and must be resisted.
>>73781634
If Putin wants, then we all want.
Trump could say #NotAllMuslims reverse his immigration plan, deport all infidels and non-mexicans and beat me with a sock filled with quarters and I would still vote for him even if he told me to convert and jihad my own family in an honor killing ceremony as long as he let them vote for him first.
We are going
To
MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN
>>73782172
>He talks about banning all muslims. Turns out this is unconstitutional and the supreme court shuts him down.
THIS
FUCKING
MEME.
>Under U.S. Code, the president does have the statutory authority to keep anyone out of the country, for any reason he thinks best. Per 8 USC §1182
>“Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
>>73788112
See that's what I mean. The most substantive answer I've gotten when asking that question has been "She's got so much experience and knows how it all works already" and that's it. They might go on to rattle off a few of the same specific bad points about Trump that they heard from The Daily Show, but never any specifics (or god forbid original thoughts/opinions) about her or why they're supporting her. Whichever approach they take, whether it's a shill or not, it's all just endless bullshit. It's kind of astounding really.
>>73788702
Here's why Trumps foreign policy on east asia is a poopy bad thing:
- East Asia is an inherently unstable region, China doesn't like Japan and vice versa, both Koreas are not down to clown with one another
- Stability is afforded by American support
- Trump proposes to withdraw such support, and encourages both parties to get their own nuclear weapons
Not to be a dick, but this is plainly insane.
>>73789245
Canada knows the constitution better than Burgerlanders do. Sad.
>>73781634
Trump is the only hope for Western civilization.
Yes please
>>73789385
>Not to be a dick, but this is plainly insane.
If you ever think anyone is ever going to nuke anyone else you're insane.
Nukes exist purely for MAD. Unless worst case scenario happens some terrorists/fanatics get a hold of one - nothing will ever occur.
If a country ever nukes another - it'll get sanctioned and reviled by the rest of the known world. Every missile system in existence will point in that countries direction.
Their nukes will never make it out of their nation before they get shot down.
>>73782172
>Turns out this is unconstitutional and the supreme court shuts him down.
You really don't know a fucking thing about the Constitution, do you?
>>73781634
>Shitposting and memes aside
Is this even allowed?
>>73789544
I suppose I am more cynical than you are. Humanity is a tinderbox, it only takes one jackass to fuck something up for everyone, and nuclear weapons are the matchstick.
Bainbridge was right
>>73781958
Imagine that
A filthy nigger loving liberal
I hate you and will fight you
>>73781634
I'm conflicted.
A Trump victory creates the possibility for white interests to be advanced via a peaceful political process.
A Trump loss would keep us on course for a race war whites would win, and there by secure white interests more reliably but at greater cost.
>>73781782
>every corrupt piece of shit running the usa hates him
>he makes solid points
Of course we want him.
>>73789385
>implying that the US isn't destabilizing the Pacific by trying to create trade-deals that exclusively cut out BRICS
>implying China isn't trying to create FOBs to avoid what happened to Russia with Georgia and Ukraine because of their involvement with the SCO
>implying the petrodollar brings any """"""support"""""" to anyone in the world but the US or the IMF
>implying anyone at Langley has the interests of Japan or Korean in mind, instead of thinking of them as expendable pawns
It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, or you only watch propagan-- I mean mainstream media. I'd expect an Irishman to actually understand national sovereignty, but I guess the EU really has cucked everyone west of Poland.
>>73789385
Yeah, great fucking idea: make US's taxpayers involuntarily pay for keeping good relationships between other sovereign countries.
>we are world's bolice avder all :DDDDDD
I would rather Trump win and Hillary be retired into a federal prison.
>>73781782
Everything you just said is also what people say about Sanders. If you just want to knock shit down and have no plan for afterwards, or worse yet, don't care about what happens after you knock shit down, why should I care about your opinion? You're not even really being edgy, because communists are way edgier than you. You're just being lazy.
>>73790139
Alright, I'm seeing what you're laying down on me fampai. I'm digging your groove. What do you think of the following quote:
"You have a Trump presidency ... and he decides to pull out troops from Japan and South Korea, you have Japan and South Korea potentially racing to develop nuclear weapons without the benefit of US troops being there," Miller says. "That provides a lot of incentive for countries in the region like China or North Korea to try to stop that process.""
What are your thoughts on such a scenario?
>>73781634
Just so I can go up to everyone I know who said
> im moving if trump gets elected
and just smugly say well? GTFO
>>73790368
Why is it our responsibility?
>>73790368
Having troops in France didnt stop the French from having nuclear warheads nor did it prevent them from having 1/3 of their power grid be completely supplied by nuclear energy.
>>73790668
>>73790520
God bless IDs for preventing a clusterfuck of a conversation thread.
I'm interested in what the guy I'm talking to has to say, because he has a well-developed system of thought. I don't really give a shit about what you have to say (e.g. implying France is the same thing as East Asia)
>>73785585
A truly original strawman.
>>73783035
What's wrong with jews and women?
>>73785076
Been here since /pol/ was created, back when there was a roody-poo word filter
As long as Trump doesn't accept any refugees, I'll be happy.
>>73787562
And congress gets to define immigration law.
There's no constitutional provision protecting any form of immigration, except birthright citizenship. We aren't constitutionally required to let anyone in, not restricted from keeping anyone out for any reason.
We totally could pass a law that said "No more nuggets can enter", constitutionally. We couldn't kick the current ones out, though.
>>73790368
>a fucking Vox article
You don't understand, it's not that China doesn't want Japan or South Korean to have a military, it's that WE don't want them to have a military. When Japan started fucking around with their Abenomics, we clamped down on them hard, and they couldn't do a thing to stop it (both militarily and in the markets). When China starts to devalue and bypass the USD, Shanghai gets another skyscraper, and the US can't do a thing to stop them (though we're trying with TPP and continued aggression). The keypoint here is SOVEREIGNTY.
China would love to see more countries competing against the petrodollar, and maybe even joining BRICS (would screw up an already good acronym though) so that the economy isn't completely and absolutely dependent on the USD (because 2007 sure was great). Going against the IMF is another thing entirely, but the idea of a Cold War scenario wouldn't happen if Japan and Korean were actually sovereign as opposed to American forward operating bases.
>>73781782
edgy
>>73791263
If you thinks so. But that is down to you. Trump still has my vote.
>>73790825
>>73790230
tfw feeling shadowbanned
>>73783979
lol leaf being retarded once again
>>73781634
Sure if he is the only thing standing between Hillary and her presidency. Although with the shitposting and memes, I kinda want Hillary just to spite the Trump cultists
People who are anti trump have nothing.
They say he is going to start a racial war.
Like every other president ever?
They say he is going to build a wall.
The wall already exists, its just so shit it costs billions to monitor every year? Where were these people when the first fence was built. Where are these people every day saying to tear down the wall?
He will be an embarrassment for america?
America is already an embarrassment and anything he does on the world stage would at worst be equal to what has already gone on.
I dont live in the usa but I seriously dont get the hate. Its just one of those modern fad cool to hate things but noone actually knows why they hate him.
Hes a rich white guy in a suit, public enemy number 1.
>>73781634
No.
Because I like him.
If he actually wins, the elites will pull a Milosevic on him. Meaning they'll forge a Yugoslavia-style conflict across the USA and pin it all on him, as well as his white people. It would be the end of the United States, the beginning of another dark age in Europe (excluding Germany) and another golden age for Islam.
With Hillary, things will proceed less predictably and thus possibly to our advantage. This is why I've always told 'Mericans to maintain the status quo as long as they can.
>>73781634
Yes
>>73781634
Yes.
Effects on the Republican party:
>definitive proof to the Republican elites that the sheep will no longer be silent
>push them back towards a protectionist trade policy
>maybe, just maybe, lead to a reversal of use of US military force overseas
>maybe, just maybe, lead to some actual fiscal responsibility
Effects on the Democrats:
>irrefutable proof that the silent majority REALLY FUCKING HATES social justice liberalism
>kicks the legs out from under them on immigration policy
>maybe, just maybe, lead them towards some fiscal responsibility
>>73781634
it seems two things could happen. he'll make america great again, or he'll destroy it. either is better than what everyone else is selling.
>>73782330
>I will do as my mind tells, and with my 50 year experience carry the country.
>I will give free everything even if economically impossible and citizenship for any immigrants
>I am a woman thus deserve dem whitey housey
You totally bring people together with your hot opinions and sick arguments senpai
>>73791452
I'm sure a lot of it has to do with him being very wealthy, since a lot of attention has been paid to the ever villainous "1%" over the last few years.
>>73791452
The majority of humanity wants the USA and Europe to step back and let other powers emerge. Trump is strictly against fulfilling that wish; The global political class and economic elites believe we have no chance to prevent it and should give in.
I want him to win but I believe he'll end up murdered in a JFK kind of event
>>73791452
Shill-bots mainly.
They are desperately trying to get Shillary in. Everyone despises her. She is a corrupt, slimy little crook. She is worse than Ted, and Ted is the kinda person whose god would have probably tossed into hell personally.
I will not vote for Hillary. So long as she has a chance, Trump has my vote. People can whine and dispute it all they want to. I will celebrate that fucking gas-bag Trump, getting elected if it keeps Hillary out of office.
All of our other choices are shit as well. Trump resonates with me though. He seems more genuine than the cardboard-oligarchs that we have been getting lately. SJW's also piss me off. The insanity that has been going on for the past couple of years grinds my gears.
On top of Hillary being a vastly corrupt piece of shit, sleazeball, she is the SJW candidate as well. That is unacceptable.
In the end, Shill-bots will still spam and whine on 4chan. They are stopping us from meme-ing for Trump. In fact they are actually encouraging many of us to meme even harder.
As usual, praise kek and make America great again.
>>73791229
>it's that WE don't want them to have a military.
So, if you don't want them to have a military, why support Trump's threat of withdrawing support for Japan and S.Korea? That only incentivises the development of a personal military. I don't understand how sovereignty is a positive thing in controlling economics from an American perspective.
China and N.Korea would still have incentive to interrupt Japanese and S.Korean nuclear developments in that case too
>>73791372
Sorry fampai, I'd just forgotten to link you in my glib dismissal of all other contributors
You still hold a place in my heart
>>73782172
JesusFucknut I hate liberal high school students.
I get that it's summer vacation, but let's get down to brass tax for a moment here.
You were literally wrong on every account.
-Wall already has been funded and approved.
-Jimmy Carter
-Defeat ISIS who are invading Europe and degrading and weakening American allies.
-As if we would send ground troops when a drone campaign is not only possible, but more cost effective.
-Congress is run by people who like being elected. Congress is already at 6% approval rating.
If Congress refuses to work with the president, 6% can't go much lower before people start wanting more investigations after clinton.
-His trade policies are genius.
-Climate change is still being debated for very good reasons. One is fraud.
>>73792060
They aren't stopping us*
>>73781634
I sure do, Trump would be a godsend for us.
>>73781634
I will literally be a globalist from now on if he doesn't win. It's our last shot at nationalism.
>>73783125
Japan is based and we need to ally with Asians since Europe is completely cucked.
>>73788769
>Are you really that retarded?
Might be. Depends how instinctive the formulaic response has become and how aware he is of that. Either way it's still their preferred tactic.
>ignore any and all valid points, no matter how numerous
>zero in on whatever can be passed off as sound logic to the other idiots
>strawman the fuck out of that
>proclaim victory by way of snarky parting comment
>>73791930
How could you get that so wrong? What propaganda does Merkel hook you up to?
>We will no longer surrender this country, or its people, to the false song of globalism.
>The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony. I am skeptical of international unions that tie us up and bring America down, and will never enter America into any agreement that reduces our ability to control our own affairs.
Trump wants to allow other nations to grow, that's why he's against so many trade deals like TPP that fucks BRICS over and cements the USD without a single regard to any citizen in any country. The global political class and economic elites are doing EVERYTHING in their power to stop him from getting power and undoing a shit ton of work they've put into the world. Elites see nationalism as the death of the global matrix they've plugged all their union citizens into. And when the US sneezes, the rest of the world gets a cold.
>>73792607
That's not the way the situation works. By "give Japan nukes", I mean incentivize Japan to develop their own nuclear arsenal because the Americans won't be around to support them any longer.
You won't be allying with the Asians, you'll be doing it even less, and doing an about-face on a strategy America has been committed to for longer than a shitload of other strats: the prevention of nuclear proliferation.
>>73792393
Nationalism is unfeasible and inconsequential. Germany is living proof. We vowed to become the entire world's best trade partner after 1945. A sort of deliberate turboglobalism that even puts Britain and the USA to shame. Every European country still worth its salt is following our example. Every European nation with nationalist intentions has a massive trade deficit and is shit broke now. Nationalism is frankly too weak to protect a nation.
Yes, I want Trump to win.
(Because I hate America and I want it to lose its superpower status. :^)
>>73792692
You're gullible.
>>73781634
Yes of course wtf
>>73781634
actually, yeah, sounds like he'll bring world peace, by force
>>73781634
Yes.
/thread
>>73782616
>Anecdotal evidence is greater than scientific consistency
FTFY
>>73781634
Yes. Trump will bring peace by allowing every country to have nukes.
>>73792104
You're getting the current globalist president and Trump mixed up. The US now wants Japan to be under control of the US as another form of political clout towards China, Russia, and Japan itself. Trump wants Japan to have its own military so we save money and stop trying to rule the world. And sovereignty is the absolute bane of the IMF which wants to control all countries on a global scale through the USD (and eventually a single global government). Of course if you actually believe in the sovereignty of your own country and people, that ends up translating into the sovereignty of other countries through policy (Trump doesn't want to be an emperor no matter how much the shills will tell you). Like I said earlier to you, it might be hard for someone in the EU to understand sovereignty, but the US is founded upon it, and Trump is one of those believers in freedom (living through the Cold War does that to people (and countries)).
And China wouldn't care about other countries getting nukes, unless they think we're trying to pull a Japanese Missle Crisis (which is pointless considering the range of ICBMs nowadays). China is worried about the US and its allies, if it suspected that Japan was truly trying to become sovereign (laughable considering Jap politics today), you'd see a different China trying to help or at least include Japan. Do you see China giving a single shit about the DPRK?
>>73792128
>wall has been funded and approved
Trumpfags can't into GED, read a book or two BillyBob
>>73793599
>Bender converts to Islam.png
>>73781634
yes opkors
>>73787663
You'll cry like a little faggot the second your cellphone can't operate
I do, even as a Canadian. I think that, especially if he does a good job, his presence will embolden the right.
For a long time, it seems the right has been almost exclusively reactionary, following behind the actions of the left. Trump has started taking initiative and now the left is forced to respond to him. While a lot of people are skeptical of him, saying that he's just crypto-establishment or that he doesn't have any real strategies for the things he says (which may be true), I think the things he has said up to this point has at least laid groundwork for a new direction in the right.
When I say that, I think it's because of the Nationalist sentiments. For a long time, the right seems to have focused more or less entirely on economics ie: corporatism ie: globalism. Trump is the only guy on the right who seems to want to reign them in and bring work back to the US, which I think personally is outstanding.
I can only hope that the populace of the US might be able to move back to the work ethic that made you guys great in the first place, but that's a long shot imo.
>>73787078
there is no ъ in ukrainian
only ь
>>73781634
He's an entertaining buffoon but I'd take him over Bernie, Hillary or 90% of the other Conservatives any day.
>>73787673
Erm nope, It's from Ironsword
>>73791823
What confuses me is how people hate the 1% but the 1% is practically all jewish
>>73783125
We gave japan 2 nukes before and they're doing just fine.
>>73783456
Ive done some of my own research into climate change so ill help explain why there is ample evidence to be skeptical of global warming. From 1880-2013 co2 in the atmosphere has doubled. You are correct in that it is staying up there in the atmosphere because creation outdoes consumption. However despite the doubling of co2 in this time period the the average global tempreture has only incresed by about 2 degrees fahrenheit. This is data from the ipcc reports btw which composes the climate change alarmists. Not the corp funded oil guys.
>>73781634
seeing trump become president is the thing i look forward most in 2016. even more than terrorist attacks in germany.
>>73781634
His ideas are great. Reading his book right now, the chapter on education is flawless.
>>73781634
Of course not, are you dumb? This is the joke meme forum, we only pretent to be racists and trump-lovers here.
>>73798851
>we support trump ironically XD LEL
Kill yourself
>>73781782
FPBP
Only the most blue-pilled of people don't realize that the world is being run by a small handful of elites.
And when all the elites and their organs hate Trump and have been trying so hard to put him down, it just goes to show that he really will be different to all the others, simply because he's not one of them.
>>73781782
This is what people said about Obama, and like someone else mentioned this is what they say about Sanders. He was part of the boogeyman system for the majority of his life and somehow that's magically gone in the past three years as he became a Republican and tried to distance himself from Shillary.
The fact he's not even funding his general nomination campaign when he has the best ability to do so is just the nail in the coffin is was all a ruse to trick gullible morons like you into getting swayed by unorthodox words and 4th grade rhetoric. This fucking happened with Obama twice, it happened with the Democrats regarding Sanders. I do not know why people keep falling for this over and over and over. Both candidates on either side of the playing field are pieces of shit, with Shillary having an abysmal track record in terms of ethics, and Donald flipping his views when its most convenient.
Right now the best candidate in the field with a chance is most likely Gary Johnson who will most likely be funded by Super PACs if a miracle was bestowed upon him, but at least his platform is more rooted in his policies instead of LE UNORTHODOX WORDS!!1!!1!!11!1!!!1!1
>>73800095
>This is what people said about Obama
What? Obama only got shit flinged at him by the right. The left loved him though.
>>73781634
As long as Hillary isn't president, I'm happy. She's mired in scandal and her loyalty is to her paycheck, which comes from banks and corporations.
Anything
But
Hillary
maybe, sometimes. I just don't like how they try and throw him under the bus.
>>73800448
Regardless, it was another example of a candidate who had a different form of rhetoric, swayed a bunch of gullible imbeciles into voting for him then buying into the system. It happened with Obama, it's definitely going to happen Trump (to an extent already has).
>>73801391
Someone like Trump becoming the nominee is an anomaly that hasn't happened since Eisenhower. Your comparison to Obama is completely disingenuous and unfounded and misses the point of the post you originally responded to.
>>73798851
SATIRE
A
T
I
R
E
Despite how much /pol/ hates everyone who isn't a straight white male, having a literal racist running a country as powerful as the US is extremely dangerous.
>B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but he never said he HATES Muslims.
Openly admitting you want to ban an entire group of people from being in your country is a pretty good indication you don't really like that group of people. I'm all for vigorous background checks on Muslims entering the country, but straight up not allowing them access, nah man.
>>73782428
>Well said. I'm not even the standard /pol/ alt-right, I'm sort of... a faggot
>>73803077
How do you think the Bataclan feels about Muslims?
>>73781634
Why would I trust a true aryan, alpha personality wise, strong man as for my president?
>>73781634
no. murrica will be regarded as global joke if he win.
>>73803077
no one gave a shit when barack banned iraqi refugees from entering the us for 6 months in 2011. when there is a security threat you take different precautions. face it, you love wars and state control....when it is the left in charge.
>>73803077
Better than cuckdeau
>>73781634
>do you actually want Trump to win?
NO because shitposting aside it would be a fucking disaster worse than Bush Jr.
>>73785430
Yeah, I fucking hate French people.
