Why is communism so popular among today's 20-somethings?
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>>73778314
fuck smiley
>>73778314
it always was. "if you are no leftist in your 20s, you have no heart. if you are still a leftist after 30, you have no brain."
>>73778314
Autism.
Because they have no assets to lose yet.
>>73778544
Surely they have cars and apartments?
>>73779115
Kek m8 nobody can afford that shit.
>>73778314
>stein
Gommieism is the final result of people saying we could redistribute wealth. The 1% an such.
>>73778314
60 years of Marcuse, Freud, Foucault and Frankfurt School.
>>73778314
Been given free shit by boomers all their childhood. Its only normal to keep that mentality going.
ITT: no one who knows what communism is.
Because liberal teachers pushing retarded shit. They are incapable of thinking critically of what they get peddled in the humanities.
>>73779586
Neither do the young whites who use it to identify wealth redistribution.
People leaning left seem to think more short term and not in a stable career
When people get into their career, start having families and looking more long term, they start leaning to the right
When you don't earn any money and have no possessions, of course you'd advocate a system that will give you all that for free.
When you start earning money, you want to keep it.
also with age comes experience and wiseness.
>>73778314
Because Americans aren't in their homeland. They have no connection to the land. Haven't no historical connection to its ancestors. You can't look at your neighbor and know you are fairly recently related, share the same customs, culture and traditions. To know that this person has lived on this land for thousands of years.
Americans don't have that and American culture is popular right now and young people like what is popular.
>>73779115
>apartments
>assets
Buddy...
>>73779115
>Apartments
>In Australia
Most of us aren't Chinese billionaires m8.
>>73779914
It's also ignorance.
For all their screeching about sheeple and the uneducated, unwashed masses, most young leftists are almost comically devoid of understanding about history. Or write it off "Evil White Patriarchy Constructs!".
Anyone who looks at the history of the systems they advocate and how they've been implemented can see the pro's and con's.
They just never look beyond a youtube video or a wiki entry on Marx.
>>73778314
>Why is communism so popular among today's 20-somethings?
because people older than that actually saw communism in action
>>73779586
Enlighten us then, chink
Because more kids are going to college and being exposed to actual history and the original works of Communist/Socialist thinkers. What happens is that rather than absorbing the propoganda bullshit that was force fed to the previous generations, they are able to critically think for themselves and come to their own conclusions about those ideologies. What they usually find is that Socialism and Communism are grossly misrepresented in mainstream culture leading them to completely disregard the fear mongering anti communists and anti socialists. Like how people realized that reefer madness was bullshit and now people are questioning the legitimacy of State authority to control substances which leads to general disregard for anti-drug propoganda.
I will say that most "communists" and "Socialists" have no clue what the fuck they are talking about, but neither do most "capitalists" and bastardized classical Liberals aka "conservatives" or "Libertatians".
>>73778314
Because they have not experienced it first hand by themselves and it sounds good in theory. They know nothing about it.
>>73778314
Cus they just graduated with their studies degree
>>73778314
They think that good intentions will turn every person into a great being and society into an Utopia.
>>73778314
Because young people are easily manipulated useful idiots?
>>73778314
>Wintersun
Why did this cuck had to ruin a great band shirt
>>73778314
capitalism is part of the problem that /pol/ is unwilling to recognize. the profit motive destroys community sentiment and allows for such things as immigrants because i need muh cheap labor.
>>73780864
Correct. However, Communism would do the very same thing.
Nationalism is the answer.
>>73778314
Because it's time for USA to stop being the world's hegemon, and transform itself into another Brazil.
Communism is not an ideology, it's an instrument to destroy nations. From my point of view i see that the commie trend in the US is leading the country into a massacre like we had 100 years ago.
>>73778314
I don't but it's honestly fucking disgusting.
These fucking middle class Socialist brats go around preaching Marx and all those bullshit ideologies, and yet they refuse to look at when they were tried.
They ignore the failure of Soviet Russia, Communist China, and even Socialist India. They ignore that once those countries opened their market they raised millions out of poverty and destitute.
It's sick and disgusting these kids are so deluded and removed from reality that they'll fight against the only viable market ever produced.
>>73780864
the problem is that the state is being used for interests of capital instead of capital being used for the interests of the state.
>>73781011
well in a capitalist system wealth tends to accumulate instead of being reinvested. they end up using this wealth to influence the political system. with the profit motive they will never be able to stop this unless you use some type of "socialist" redistribution of wealth which is inefficient and bad for the economy, destroying incentive in the profit motive.
>>73780940
agreed, nationalism is the answer but there is a reason it was called national socialism
>>73778314
Because its taught to be a good thing in college
Also atleast here in sweden it has to do with socialism is so big here
t. 19 yearold
>>73780864
Capitalism is a social/economic system, it has nothing to do with immigration. Capitalism under a globalist goverment is what's the problem.
Also, the regular population betray theirselves. They buy from big retailers like Walmart or foreign shops with low price and quality of products and they help sutain the big fishes.
>>73780961
The interesting part is how the same reasoning is not applied to capitalism. There are plenty states who have liberalized markets structured under capitalism that are deperately poor. Rather than analyze the institutions and policies, I could take the lazy route and blame Capitalism for the failures. If we were to be consistent with your reasoning, then capitalism is no better. I don't follow that reasoning so I don't blame Capitalism as the failures on many states. Take Suharto and Pinochet which ran brutal dictatorships but installed capitalism. By your reasoning, their brutal dictatorships were caused by capitalism. This repeats itself around the world. I mean this goes back, Western civilization had slavery under capitalism, is that an inherent trait of capitalism? What about native genocide and the mutual destruction of European countries?
Its normal to impose seperate standards and logic to ideas we don't agree with. Furthermore, I am neither a socialist or a communist but the complete intellectual dishonesty constantly regurgitated by people of your kind is unbearable.
here is the other problem with muh capitalism, it has become economically unviable to have children, the free market has decided they are expensive and people understand this. the poorer countries who rely on agriculture and manual labor they are still an asset. in order to have more children you need a system which incentivizes this behavior because it won't occur in the current profit motive.
>>73781011
Britain is probably the only country left still standing that understands this. But barely.
Japan died in the 90's.
>>73781509
yep. this guy gets it. Nationalism is the key to fix everything.
This is why free market fags are cancer.
>>73781423
see silly arguments like this one for more reasons why
>>73781444
Suharto and Pinochet in a sense were the result of capitalism. In as much as the capitalist system had to oppose communism.
But /pol/ now usually gets pretty fired up when the An-Caps and Libertarians chirp in, since it's pretty clear unbridled capitalism comes at the expense of heritage/culture and nationalism.
>>73781423
the cheapest hence if you are looking to maximize your profits you will buy from there. they will try to form a monopoly etc...
and it has everything to do with immigration, companies need constant growth to fuel profits. they don't chose "sustainability" or loss of profits. they need an ever growing population and they also require cheap labor. capitalism and the profit motive encourage this thinking absolutely yes
>>73781169
Not necessarily, supply and demand applies unless the State manipulates it. Also, the structure of how the population influences the State is not rigid and defined for capitalism. This is a problem but there is no perfect system, there will have to be mechanisms set in place to rei force democracy and limit certain tendencies
>stein
>>73781444
>>73781646
I also find it strange that people adhere to any one system as a do-or-die scenario.
Open, bare capitalism is fucking fantastic at building nations.
It's not good at keeping them glued together. You can change and revert as needs be. In fact - Most successful countries do this. Australia, the U.S....fucking Singapore...None of them are truly free market, none of them are truly socialist. They operate mixed economies based on national interests.
>>73781679
This is why the right is fractured between the hard Libertarians who are economically far right and the nationalists, who are culturally far right.
Libertarians often sternly support open borders. The government should maintain the law within the lands it holds and provide very basic defense and social services and little more.
I dislike this personally.
idealist gonna ideal
>>73778314
They have so much in common
>edgy
>don't want to work
>cucks to poor people
>have no idea what the real world is like
>often autistic
>think it's cool
>>73778314
People can't learn on their mistakes, obviously
>>73781509
Well it's all the cheap labor from immigration/"free trade". As well as the States manipulation of the value of labor and its organization. It is not unthinkable that a population could reduce work hours as the population grows rather than import cheaper labor to fuel profits under capitalism. Most of the powers given to companies are granted by the state. This is why I hate corporations, they are facsist in nature and corrupt markets.
>>73778314
cause they never witnessed communism. they only read about it
>>73781692
the natural evolution of capitalism is towards wealth accumulation and monopoly ie the robber baron period of history (19th Century) when the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Carneige all formed large conglomerates and monopolies to control industry both vertically and horizontally. muh capitalism and muh free market leads to that period, which was plagued by all sorts of problems depressions, unemployment etc etc no one of those men cared at all about society or muh nationalism
>>73778314
They were never told the story that I was about how the commies exicuted my great great grandfather's brothers after they found a Bible and books in their house and how he was conscripted and death marched halfway to Siberia before he escaped.
>>73779586
This desu
>>73779586
Communism: a stateless or single party state government run by the working class which believes in the abolishment of private property and the control of production to be in the hands of the working class. It usually devolves into a small elite taking control of everything, as a single party starts out as trying to make sure no one becomes a dissident and ends up murdering any dissidents to keep the single party in power.
Same thing happens in anarchism, except anarchism is way edgier.
>>73781828
I've come to the conclusion, that the only way to actually promote "nationalism" and stop immigration would be to stop worrying about profit margins, it would also increase birthrate again ie communism.
>>73782057
Yeah what is communist? It's apparently never been tried before.
>>73778314
I've found a lot of slutty women identify as communists, attributing their low status in society to muh evil capitalist patriarchy, believing they can achieve liberation. Sluts have always been outcasts for good measure. On the economic side, LTV has been consistently disproved. They all constantly bicker over what constitutes true socialism/communism too, so they'll never achieve anything.
Stalin would've thrown 90% of modern communists in the gulag. Degenerates.
And yes capitalism is degenerate too. Nations and tradition are ruined for profit.
>>73782139
I don't believe communism works trust me, however many are describing socialism and I'm tired of this
Socialism=Communism meme
>>73782139
very nice stormfags, muh no one has tried communism meme, no one said that in this thread. judging by the last attempt in soviet or the chineese I would say if you are a "nationalist" it looks much better than multicultural europa, and not all their problems are solely based on the system. there are shit capitalist countries like india
>>73778314
Free shit that everyobe else pays for while you do nothing appeals to college kids raised in an era of participation trophies, having their snowflake delusions reinforced and safe spaces.
>>73781744
People tend to understand the conclusions but never the conditions set for the systems. Limiting state power and weakening it is not a principle in and of itself but is depending on the conditions being set for free markets/socialism. Strengthening state power is not a principle either, unless there is a chaotic anarchy and property right don't exist.
Most people don't bother with the drtails and just repeat what they are told. Most conclusions, like from Marx or Freidman hinge on certain conditions and it is a mistake to assume that the conclusions are universal. Most important are the reasons they give and the criticisms they give.
>>73779115
>20something owning an apartment
they rent
>cars
either a $1000 shitheap or still paying it off
Neither of those are assets. Cars are not assets, they are expenses.
>>73778314
the only hear the "good" side of communism or ignore its been the cause of death and suffering for billions of people
They want free shit.
>>73782126
Nah.
I mean - Certain Americans would call what we do in Australia "socialism" but even when we were run by actual socialists, they understood the value of mostly free markets. But they also manipulated them in manners to benefit Australians - Chief being the White Australia Policy (enacted by fucking socialists...amazing to think in the current climate) which limited non white migration and thus labor, driving up wages.
Now, in Australia, we have all sorts of schemes to encourage locals to breed (like a baby bonus - which was literally thousands in cash for having a kid) and purchase and own properties (like negative gearing - which is making leftists go insane).
Yes, these systems get abused - but the alternative? Just throwing up the borders? Diluting your nation to little more than a market place? Fook that.
>>73778314
Most of the young ones will grow up, just like the hippies from the 80s did
>>73782139
Next you're gonna say "it could work under the right leader"
Keep goyiming roach
>>73782139
The meme is about communism never being tried before is as old as the meme about it not being able to work because of human nature.
And they're both honestly kind of true.
The military and political elite nearly always feather their own beds at the expense of the workers, and the workers tend to be unproductive without an incentive.
It's seriously very hard to make a system like that function without removing the human element.
Ironically this is a similar criticism leveled at Taylorism, the holy corner stone of modern globalist capitalism - A system that reduces humans to cogs. Unfortunately people seem to react badly to that.
Hell, both Marx and Taylor even outlined and warned about this in their proposals - But every time it's tried, we tend to revert to animal instincts.
>>73779747
Thosr are USA socialists, you never lived off labour so you would never know
>>73782327
the other thing to consider is moving society forward towards goals, the free market doesn't always concern itself with benefits to society or society's long term goals. such as developing technology that might not be profitable or investing in research.
>>73782139
Here is an example right on time
>>73782319
>>73782275
Also if you think huge tax hikes are free you are a fucking retard
>>73779115
You're joking lad?
Generation Y is a total write off.
>>73780334
Nobody uses tito as an example, oh wait its cause he was actually good
>>73782299
>Cars are not assets
Fuck you Bus Industrial Complex.
>tfw you buy your first car and are really happy until you find out first hand that they truly are one of the biggest expenses you ever have to deal with
>>73782530
Libertarians tell me the free market would have beaten NASA to the moon.
>>73779656
I never got this liberal teacher meme. All my way through high school all my teachers, especially my gov teacher, were all very conservative. Is it because im in the south?
>>73780961
And what about socialist yugoslavia with tito, and sssr with lenin
>>73781962
I think we can both agree that 19th century America was not a free market, though it certainly was capitalism. The robber Barons were not the result of a free market but where aided by a central government. Free markets do not have to exist without a State, but the State should exist to enforce the conditions necessary for a freer market, which would mean limiting the excercise of private power and providing due returns to taxpayers.
If the conditions for Socialism met the conditions set by acutal socialists, and the conditions for communism as described by marx were set, I would agree that Socialism and Communism would be superior organizations for society. But, I don't have faith in people to be informed and organized enough to meet those conditions and for now, hierarchal (Capitalism) control is preferable since real Socialism/Communism would require a less apathetic and more involved/informed/democratic society.
>>73778411
I'd rather have a brain than a heart.
>>73779747
i have a family,l and a career, but don't think that making sheckles for someone else all day long is truly helping society, no matter how many sheckles they pay me. i know it's never going to help society to have more children or fix immigration issues so my children can grow up in a non fucked country
instead of religon, i turn to material conditions which bring about problems ie people's genetics such as iq
>>73782637
How Tito managed to keep you animals on a leash for that long I'll never know.
(I actually don't know - Did he operate Death Squads and shit?)
>>73782709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LP9TtHxuw
>>73782327
>Yes, these systems get abused - but the alternative? Just throwing up the borders? Diluting your nation to little more than a market place? Fook that.
Damn right
Marx himself supported free trade and open borders because he knew it would destroy nations.
>>73780470
Cuck
>>73781444
You have a point but generally, at least on /pol, very few people will defend the ultra-capitalism and financial tyranny that the world is becoming, quite the contrary honestly.
I guess that the most infuriating things about those people embracing communism is that they are doing it without any true knowledge of it, they do it because "they feel it's right", "because it's 2016" etc.
I can respect a well-learnt communist, I even know one (well, he is a Leninist) and he is far from stupid.
What then is even more enraging is how these people (the same protesting capitalism with iphones and clothes produced by slaves) are becoming a sort of authority in college where free thinking technically should be the norm.
>>73782750
>yugoslavia
Where the people pretended to work and the government pretended to pay them.
Where toilet roll shortages were as normal as the wind.
>>73782752
The problem I think that makes communism essentially unworkable is the question of incentive.
Hence Dengy Deng in China having to twist the parties arm to allow capitalist systems to be introduced to stop people literally starving to death.
I just don't know how you're meant to overcome that hurdle.
>>73782637
Tito wasn't good, he was mediocre.
>>73782872
Dude we had the largest economic growth till 1980 when tito died
>>73782931
You could only judge that if you lived there
>>73782752
>but where aided by a central government.
Because they were corrupted by the robber barons
> But, I don't have faith in people to be informed and organized enough to meet those conditions and for now
And you think a libertarian society would be better? Poor naive child
>>73782752
i don't agree to that because the central government wasn't doing anything like giving them aid or loans not like they did bailing out people today. in fact JP Morgan was loaning the government money. there were no rules to enforce at the time, non of them existed, and almost didn't get made because of the obscene lobbying power the barons held.
yes, that's true for a communist society I am not sure either that we have reached the ability to facilitate one, that is the only major flaw.
>>73778314
Because they are too dumb to even realize every mammal is genetically capitalistic. We are
no exclusions, only if you force people with guns it may go well for a short while.
>>73778314
>>73783179
right because we had muh free market capitalism for the millions of years prior to the late 18th century? we genetically didn't live in a capitalist society you developed for millions and millions of years in a tribal communism.
>>73782988
Well if you want to live in a world where security guards are paid more than engineers and you only get sub-standard products which are only available part of the time, that's okay.
The problem is that all incentive to innovate goes away and personal freedom goes away. The problems you will face are long term ones, ones that occur once you have a generation that's been parented by a generation that grew up under socialism.
Also the term "economic growth" doesn't actually mean anything. The UK is experiencing "economic growth".
>>73783106
>>73782752
communism works perfect in heaven.... to bad we live in hell.
>>73778314
They never lived in a period where it was a bit part of the world was it
heres why:
>previous generation disenfranchises future generations by exploiting resources for themselves
>deviants (or the jews) use this opprotunity to subvert the disenfranchised youths by infiltrating college campuses (further doing damage by making college loans so crippling) and other educational institutions
>push "New-Left" ideas everywhere until it creates a cult of personality and becomes mob rule
You now have a generation of anarcho-commies brainwashed into believing communism without labeling themselves as such.
>>73783263
>a powerful state uses armies to tax people
>therefore humans aren't capitalists
>>73778314
>dont bother with these leftists prostitutes
>>73783179
>Because they are too dumb to even realize every mammal is genetically capitalistic.
No, by the contrary. We are socialistic by nature. If you take a look at primitive tribes left, they take care of their weakest, share what they capture and generally help themselves. Sure, the fittest always reach to the top and the weakest usually die soon, but to think our natural way of acting is capitalistic is nonsense. Every man for itself is a american invention
>>73778314
ENSIFERUM >>>>> WINTERSUN
>>73783350
You didn't even have civilized states until a few thousand years ago, human evolution goes back millions of years
>>73778314
FREE
SHIT
LMAO
>>73781639
You call people silly when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Finish school first or read some books. There's national capitalism. Capitalism can be regulated and limited by the state, it's not the other way around.
>>73781679
Capitalism obeys the demand. If people keep asking for cheap crappy shit that's what they'll get.
Now when the whole world is globalized how do you compete? Or sustain? With a nationalistic economy you'd be force into autarchism and that has a bad history of going wrong.
>>73783277
>i want a world where pakis come to work cheaply and cuck my wife, rape my daughters and take political power. so that my company can make profit
>oh and i don't want to be able to afford children because le free market doesn't will it
>>73783406
>Strong survive, weak perish
>Socialistic by nature
Choose one.
>>73783350
When was the last time a soldier knocked on your door? When was the lst time you saw a soldier on duty on your street?(hope you are not from Northern Ireland)
>>73783331
There never was a communism society. And most of the self named socialistic nations weren't, they only called themselves to get dem juicy shekels from SU
>>73782915
Its all about what you define as "work". In Capitalism, work has basically meant "profitable production", in which the desired profits were determined by a central manager. People are perfectly willing to work in a community other than for self interest. Just look at indigenous societies we have been led to believe are primitive. Many Native American societies were structured to maximize free time and creative endeavours, something much more achievable with advanced technologies. Capitalism essentially demands productivity. Both have downsides, most notably, the downside for the Natives was that while they were a much freer and humane society than the Western one, their mode of production was not competitive across the world. In other words, under capitalism, we sacrifice freedom and humanity for world survival. That is obviously the more advantageous way of organizing society for now, since freer societies tend to be less capable for waging war. This is something that would have to change imo to make socialism and communism (as originally envisioned) viable. The world is too fucked up to let truly free societies exist since hierarchal control is more effficient at fueling the tools of war.
>>73783071
You lefty fags are as bad as the alt-right/ancaps/libtards
>2016
>not being centrist
>>73783277
Everyone had some land to live of, we were happy with the little things and that is what matters basicly. Crotia now is americas little bitch but back then we were our own https://youtu.be/6t4k3n2abRA
>>73783535
k then stop calling for pussy socialism and allow women to get all the big black cock they can get in their holes.
that's what the free market demands is moar black cock, better start importing that shit it's an important commodity.
one woman for every man? each according to their needs? fuck that socialist shit shill
>>73783535
>Strong survive, weak perish
>Socialistic by nature
It's Darwinism. The fittest is the tribal chief, and the wekest (bad vision, bad health, very short and so on) usually perish due to nature pressure. But the captures (hunting, fruit...) is shared by the tribe. House building is a communal work in some tribes.
But if you are trying to equate capitalism with Darwinism, wich is wrong, then you are right, because that is the way nature works.
>Strong survive, weak perish
Like the banks in '08?
>>73783659
>I want to have free time like the natives!
>with my aircon, ipad, cell phone, laptop and organic GMO free vegan diet
Why is capitalism so unfair! :(((((((
>>73783406
>>73783263
An ape collects/gains as much as possible to obtain as many women as possible. It is that simple.
We lived in ages of collectors and hunters, it describes exactly what we still do every day.
Yes, there is a layer of civilization, which is never wrong, in fact: it seperates us from the other mammals... BUT don't take it too far or
you go straight against nature. This is why communism only works by killing people to maintain the system.. It's endotherm.
>>73783263
>Tribal communism
That's a pretty rose tinted view of it. It was essentially jungle capitalism in most cases.
>>73783659
>People are perfectly willing to work in a community other than for self interest.
We know, at least from the Chinese experience, that this isn't true. The incentive to produce disappeared when they lost the ability to put self interest first.
Indigenous societies ARE shit and primitive. They're not a good example of anything other than a failure to progress.
Communism also demands productivity, but offers less incentive.
But this is sort of moot, as all successful countries use mixed economies anyway.
>>73783729
>play EU4
>extended timeline mod
>year 2017
>Africa is superpower
>trade income is over 400 ducats
>95% of BBC exports
>Sweden actually declared war for a foot hold on africa because it couldnt get enough
>>73778314
>have nothing
>ideology that promises to give you everything and more
Socialism has always preyed on the young and gullible. Why do you think it's the socialists who are always parading out the youngest politicians of the country, and trying to lower the legal voting age?
>>73782757
Tell that to the tin man anon
>>73783906
I want to live in that village. Looks comfy
>>73778314
>>73778411
Pfft. I was indoctrinated to hate communists. They wanted to "bury us", as Chairman Kruchev said. They kept millions of people enslaved and in poverty while building what was arguably the greatest war machine on the planet, which they used to threaten their neighbors and expand their empire.
So.. fuck communism. 20-somethings don't know shit.
>>73778314
Possibly because capitalism has failed/reverted to creeping fascism in the West.
>>73782123
>the control of production to be in the hands of the working class
I never understood WTF this was supposed to mean. Can the workers just decide to not produce, since they own the means? Also, under capitalism, you can buy your own production machines, so how is this a benefit unique to communism?
>>73782275
That's weird, because people getting free shit while doing nothing is a staple of those most-benefiting from capitalism i.e. the ultra-rich heir.
>>73782872
>Where the people pretended to work and the government pretended to pay them.
Isn't that the EU, tho?
>Where toilet roll shortages were as normal as the wind
(citation needed)
Face it, m80, Yugoslavia worked because it blended the best of both worlds. Communist production model, and capitalist trade model.
Honestly, no wonder you guys begged your jewish overlords to rek us, I'd do the same if I had the chance.
Anyway, how's your morning prayer going? Not too loud I hope.
>>73784057
>trade income is over 400 ducats
>>73784204
That was always just an excuse to consolidate the power into the hands of the Govt.
>>73783918
Depends on whose perspective. Industrial capitalism was inferior to some Native societies that didn't exploit their labor. Progress is the word used to justify the exploitation of slaves, servants, peasants etc under capitalism. This exploitation is the reason why societies "progressed" into violent imperial States capable of destroying other freer societies that didnt exploit labor as much. If you assume civilization is defined by the shiniesy gadgets and biggest guns, then yeah, the West was more civilized. If we use human values and freedom, then no, the exploitative systems set in place by the west was not more civilized and benefitted a tiny fraction. The upside being that the west was able to dominate the world through its perfection if war, aka "progress".
>>73778314
Nearly all of them don't realize they've been indoctrinated into the communism belief. It's been passed off as something totally different. Bored white kids, and angry black kids, get sold this idea they're fighting for justice and doing this great deed that will change the world into a utopia when in fact they've been sold communism lite.
>>73784057
>wow you are some good sorcerer did you have 999 bird manna? i always run out of paper manna i suck at that game
you fucking degenerate,
Communism isnt for america, they are lazy futfacks who never tried working in fields or factories
>>73784204
It's sort of an impossible concept to implement.
Since the state needs to take and distribute the resources produced. Of course the state is a democratic body comprised of the working people. But invariably a political class maintains control of the state to implement this distribution.
And then the working class end up producing to provide for the state, and the incentive to produce excess or utilize innovation dries up. You then also have a political over class which has to be trusted to distribute the proceeds of the labor correctly and fairly - which is open to mismanagement, cronyism, favourtism etc. Which is what led to the mass starvation in China.
The Chinese rectified this by allowing farmers to produce the quota and then produce excess to retail for private income and self supply.
Rebelling against their boomer parents as the boomers will typically be strongly against communism due to the Cold War.
>>73783698
Alt-right pretty much is centrist, bro. The only reason "right" is even in the name is that it's to the right of the left, which isn't saying much.
>>73783918
you need money for capitalism, you can't really accumulate wealth in that society, no one can really own or inherit land in that society, and the land can be used by the tribe which it defended the land. we know this from contact with tribal islands and theamazon encountering Stone Age people.
>>73784610
If you measure progress by any metric it's higher in western capitalist systems than any aboriginal tribal system.
>>73784825
Marx actually covers this... You need greater autonomy in the economy by using technology.
>>73783869
Im comparing capitalism before most of the wage slavery was shipped over seas. For us, we are the exploiters by benefiting from the exploitation of workers overseas. The iphone is a good example of this. Capitalism is fair for us at this point, not for others. I enjoy my cozy lifestyle, but the vietnamese wage slave would definitely find many Native societies preferable than their current misery. Actually this was a real problem in the colonial times, when colonists would prefer to live with the Natives, so they had to be convinced to hate them as well as forced to stay via legislation. This went on for hundress of years where native populations had to be forced to participate in capitalist institutions or be destroyed. Although, none of this is an inherent trait of capitalism, but has been used quite often.
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FREE SHIT
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>>73784919
>You need money for capitalism
Well, you need currency. Which existed in different forms.
>No one can really own or inherit land in that society
But that's exactly how land was managed in most tribal societies.
Tribal chieftans and clans claimed ownership of a geographical area and it's resources and plundered and attacked those who were weaker to take theirs.
>>73784996
>You need greater autonomy in the economy by using technology.
Do you have an example?
>>73785079
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>>73785048
There are far more Vietnamese who prefer the capitalist system to any form of tribal system. True throughout Southeast Asia.
Hell, here in Australia a minute fraction of Aboriginals take up the opportunity to return to their roots, preferring the comfortable and easy life in urban "misery".
>>73785048
just because you find a few anecdotes of people "preferring" a lower standard of living does not mean the vast majority do
>>73783906
>An ape collects/gains as much as possible to obtain as many women as possible.
lol. Hunters and gatherers share everything they find with the tribe. It's not who hunts more that gets more women. It's the best looking male, usually the strongest, tallest, just like today.
>We lived in ages of collectors and hunters, it describes exactly what we still do every day.
No, every man for itself is a very recent concept. People back then were much more comunnal.
>>73784654
>Nearly all of them don't realize they've been indoctrinated into the communism belief.
I find it kind of funny, i find it kind of sad when people talk about communism as indoctrination, and then they go defend capitalism
>>73785079
You're my favorite flag, Albania.
>stein
OP you are a fucking genius for not omitting that.
>>73780098
My family could've lived on this land for 10k or 30 years, I wouldn't know the difference, it's where I was born and raised.
I feel far more connected with it than any other place in the world, regardless of whether my white ancestors came from germany, ireland, or Italy.
This "we have no culture or traditions" bullshit is akin to white apologists.
We're not a nation of immigrants, and saying the bumble fuck pilgrims were immigrants or believed in religious freedom is a piss poor arguement for open borders.
>>73785375
> It's not who hunts more that gets more women.
Yes! Yes, it is! This is how the species are capable of staying alive. Why do you think sex is the best feeling besides drugs? (Harddrug
users will die, natural selection they are lost by seduction of the wrong)
Everything we do, every die leads to
mainainance of our species. You wear brands to keep yourself up to others, you work to earn
money to gain the right women to reproduce. You even went to college for the base of the
right income which leads to what I just said above. Everything you do, everything you live
for leads to maintenance of your species. Capitalism is the engine.
IF no human has no reason to do effort to out stand to others, our species are doomed. This is
why robots may be the end of our species, gone by our own succes.
>>73785093
>Well, you need currency.
And tribal societies don't have it. Most of them use barter system, and teh rest use crude forms of money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency
>But that's exactly how land was managed in most tribal societies.
No, the land was owned by the tribe. There wasn't really private property because it was useless.
>Tribal chieftans and clans claimed ownership of a geographical area and it's resources and plundered and attacked those who were weaker to take theirs.
This is darwinism, not capitalism. Again, stop trying to equate capitalism with darwinism
>>73785862
* every thing you do leads to ...
Goddamn autocorrect
>>73785678
Stein is a common german name.
Von Manstein was jewish? You fucking retards
>>73785853
>We're not a nation of immigrants
Yes you are you fucking retard. You don't even have a language of your own
>>73785590
I find it funny when people have the mentality that if you are against X you're automatically support Y. Despite Y not being anywhere in the argument or discussion.
>>73785678
>implying I was Implying it was Jewish
I congratulated OP for implying it was Jewish by Not omitting that, What else was he trying to Imply?
>>73785862
>Yes! Yes, it is! This is how the species are capable of staying alive.
No. Best hunter is probably a desirable trait for tribal women, but if the best hunter is a clubfoot short ugly man, then he is not the most desirable man. Again, in most tribes the hunting is shared amoung the tribe.
>Why do you think sex is the best feeling besides drugs?
Why else would we do it if not for the feeling?
>IF no human has no reason to do effort to out stand to others, our species are doomed.
No, you retard. People get hungry. People get thirsty. It's not some magical competing euphoria that drives humans forward. It's always the desire to stay alive that drives the human species forward.
>>73778314
Because they never actually had to work a single day in their lives, and think absolute "equality" is somehow fair or a good thing.
>>73786068
I shouldn't have linked you. My bad.
I wanted to be a statement made to some of those fuckers here, not only you
>>73786352
>and think absolute "equality" is somehow fair or a good thing.
Name me a single post, comment, anything that defends it seriously. This is THE strawman when adressing Socialism.
Most of them want more equality, wich i think is a very reasonable thing to desire this days
>>73781444
The right wing dictatorships in Chile, South Korea, Philippines, Spain etc never caused economic damage of the magnitude that socialist nations inflicted on themselves.
The political suppression, purges, government corruption all took their toll, same as in socialist states, but economic growth was good, sustainable and got quickly better after democratization.
Compare this to the economic fallout socialist states uniformly leave - hyperinflation, mass unemployment, drained social services, because all the state enterprises the country's GDP was funneled in, turn out to be worth jack shit.
Socialist regimes are not just worse than democratic ones, they're the worst out of the totalitarian ones too.
>>73786021
>have our own language
No shit.
Also, morse code.
>>73786522
They fucking starved you idiot, thats why revolutions took place
>>73778314
>Pic related, a friend
*Pic related, used to be a friend.
That's what you ment to say, right?
>>73778314
Entitlement
>>73784910
Centrist economically perhaps. Fascism tends to take the third way between capitalism and communism.
>>73786522
>The right wing dictatorships in Chile, South Korea, Philippines, Spain etc never caused economic damage of the magnitude that socialist nations inflicted on themselves.
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Because they weren't blockaded by virtually the whole world
>Compare this to the economic fallout socialist states uniformly leave´
Like in Sweden, Norway, Denmark?
And what about the very good Capitalistic African societies?
>>73786711
>He is not my friend because he holds diferent political views
How is it being 17 Hans?
>>73786682
Care to be more specific?
>>73785143
>"Technology discloses man’s mode of dealing with Nature, the process of production by which he sustains his life, and thereby also lays bare the mode of formation of his social relations, and of the mental conceptions that flow from them"
That was from capital chapter 15 technological determinism, tethnology determines the structure of society. I remember other sources which go into more detail on autonomy in German ideologies for example, but I am at work and will need to dig them out, it's not bullshit he felt technology had to progress and autonomy to have communism in order to have the least possible effort to sustain ourselves and remove material needs
>>73778411
Spoiler alert:
>they had brains, hearts, and courage all along
>>73786853
The poor rot, starved and had 0 power
>>73779547
Don't forget the KGB-APN indoctrination
>Captcha: CURRENT YEAR
>>73786814
>Because they weren't blockaded by virtually the whole world
Ah yes, blaming the evil capitalist states for the fuck ups and criminal mismanagement of communist states.
>Sweden, Norway, Denmark
>socialist countries
Jesus Christ, you sure you're not American?
>And what about the very good Capitalistic African societies?
Are you actually going to blame capitalism for the things black incompetence caused?
>>73786814
Virtually the whole world? The socialist sphere of influence was massive at its height. Any resource was within their reach, if they actually provided incentives for its efficient production and distribution.
>Like in Sweden, Norway, Denmark?
Only utilize a socialist mode of distribution, rather than production, and they still suffer drawbacks. They amped up government spending only after they were already in the Top 15 of richest countries per capita in the world. What got them up there, from feudalism and poverty, was classic liberalism.
>And what about the very good Capitalistic African societies?
Right next to the very good socialist african societies. Niggers make everything worse.
>>73785862
>>73785375
And the reason today's 20'ers do not want to accept that life is just that are those who live
somekind of Disney-life in which everything must be more magical than the primitive mammals we actually still are. They
But it is that, no more. So just enjoy life as you can.. Reproduce yourself and remain productive to others and die. Make sure you've had fun.
>>73787441
> blaming the evil capitalist states for the fuck ups and criminal mismanagement of communist states.
Those were not exclusive to socialistic countries. And a country without international trade cannot prosper.
>communist states.
Oxymoron. Take it easy on the brainwash rethoric
>Sweden, Norway, Denmark
>socialist countries
They are mixed economies that were much more socialistic then the rest of the western world. And they obtained the best livin conditions in the world. No, tehy are not Marxist, but that is not important.
>Are you actually going to blame capitalism for the things black incompetence caused?
Are you actually going to blame socialism for the fuck ups of slav imcompetence causes?
>>73787241
Sounds like Romania in 1985.
>>73787730
or you can stop playing a depressing nigger game where you "get what's yours" game on earth, and actually try to accomplish some type of societal goal. wtf r you here to do? eat and shit like an animal or do we have to intelligence to move beyond that?
people like you need to be in the gas chamber with the niggers because it's the same mentality people in Afrika use as to justify their lifestyle choices.
Degenerates. They should be gassed.
>>73778314
Americans have thought more about humanity than any culture in Earth's history.
>>73787632
>Virtually the whole world? The socialist sphere of influence was massive at its height. Any resource was within their reach, if they actually provided incentives for its efficient production and distribution.
desu the warwsaw pact was composed of Eastern europe, wich was always a undeveloped part. iirc serfdom was abolished in 1860's in Russia, and i think it wasn't very deifferent in the resy of estern europe.
>They amped up government spending
gov spending != socialism
>Right next to the very good socialist african societies. Niggers make everything worse.
Exactly, and slavs make everything worse.
>>73787730
>And the reason today's 20'ers do not want to accept that life is just that are those who live
>somekind of Disney-life in which everything must be more magical than the primitive mammals we actually still are.
The product of a very low understanding of biology.
>>73788169
I'm sure that's what the sandniggers will say when the EU forces you to take those immigrants desu
Because it is a radical ideology that is politically correct. Also America lost the Cold War and stuff...
>>73778314
Widespread mental retardation
>>73786522
>Compare this to the economic fallout socialist states uniformly leave - hyperinflation, mass unemployment, drained social services, because all the state enterprises the country's GDP was funneled in
Funny, that's exactly what we got after the Condor neoliberal experiment.
Might have to do with having your industry take its pants off and spread its asshole to china.
Then, as your industry cannot compete you take loans to mobilize the economy until you can't take loans anymore and everything collapses unto itself.
And then you're in deep fucking debt forever.
It's no coincidence that the greatest advocates for the free market live in countries that have never experienced one, same as with communism.
>>73779115
The only cars that can be considered assets are the classics that are valued in the millions. Not litres of Starcucks, actual currency.
20-year old lefties don't buy their house, they rent a place. Banks won't give them mortgages since they're in college/uni and can't foot the bill.
And once they're done, they move in with mum and dad again. Saves alot of money that's better invested in obliterating the West, eh...
Theyre disgusting.
>>73778314
They think Sanders will forgive their student loan debts and it makes them feel good to fight for singlepayer. They're just useful idiots at the end of the day.
>>73789143
> it makes them feel good to fight for singlepayer.
Single payer Healthcare system is superior then the american form
>>73788202
Warsaw pact is just a small piece of it. There were socialist republics aligned with the USSR all throughout the Middle East, Africa and South America.
It's not the fault of capitalists that the Indian, Chinese and Russian commies couldn't see eye-to-eye all the time and generate decent trade.
>gov spending != socialism
A socialist willing to restrict public spending to 15% of the country's GDP is a socialist I would gladly vote for. Haven't see one of those yet though.
>>73789577
>There were socialist republics aligned with the USSR all throughout the Middle East, Africa and South America.
Such as? Cuba?
>It's not the fault of capitalists
Arguable, but ok.
> Indian, Chinese and Russian commies couldn't see eye-to-eye all the time and generate decent trade.
Massive underdeveloped areas
>>73788403
The government taking out loans to bail out businesses is not very free market, it's the very opposite.
>>73790201
And endgame scenario achieved by the free market. Or would you rather become a chinese colony in the name of milton friedman?
>>73778314
Because they didn't pay attention in history class
>>73782327
Don't forget that Keaton essentially rose us above a nation of sheep farmers to having us have major trade with the US, attacked unemployment and essentially single handedly saved our economy. I'm generally right leaning but Keating under labor (our "left" leaning government) literally made Australia great
>>73789957
Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Benin, Angola and more.
>b-but it's underdeveloped!
Well, what good is a system if it can't turn underdeveloped areas into developed ones?
When capitalists trade with underdeveloped countries, they make profits, and the poorer countries become better off too.
When socialists go in, they stop trade, whine the place is underdeveloped for half a century, and then blame it for making them poorer by association.
My english teacher at school was an open communist
>>73790544
Protections and regulations cause the existence of businesses that wouldn't survive otherwise. Liberalizing the market means being ready to allow those businesses to be pruned, or there's no point in removing the protections in the first place.
Basically
Smart thing:
Shock therapy, businesses live and die by their global competitiveness
Stupid:
Maintaining the subsidy and the protections to provide jobs
Holy shit nigger, what the fuck are you doing:
Opening up the market and funneling billions of taxpayer money into businesses no one in their rind mind would ever invest in
>>73792024
>Well, what good is a system if it can't turn underdeveloped areas into developed ones?
It did. It turned SU into one.
>When capitalists trade with underdeveloped countries, they make profits, and the poorer countries become better off too.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
>Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Benin, Angola and more.
Most of those were friendly, but not much more. On the other hand you have the whole American continent, western europe, most of africa, japan, Oceania.
Frankfurt school settles in Colombia University -> Spread to all colleges -> students become SJW gommies
>>73779115
theyre too poor and lazy to fix it
and dont call me shirley
>>73778314
because communism is the best form of government but has incredibly high chance of not working. Its wishful thinking what a lot of young people have.
>>73778314
Because our grandfather's fucked Europe up by not supporting the right side.
My English side should have ducking realized an English Empire allied with the Reich would have made Europe 100 times better than a dragged out war which ended up with communism owning half of the continent and the rest subjected to liberalism.
My American grandfather died for Felony Douchebag Roosevelt and his banker backed agenda.
Our forefathers fucked Europe and the world over, let us reap the rewards!
