yay or nay
Nay
>>73775512
Global governance?
>>73775512
Yay
if niggers and single moms can get it then so should productive citizens
>>73775512
>>73775601
>>73775620
>>73775649
>>73775675
>paying niggers and other trash to breed with impunity
Great way to destroy humanity, dummies.
Basic income is ONLY acceptable with incentivized eugenics accompanying it.
>>73775512
It will be what the EU will use to bribe us into a full political and military union.
NAY even though im a ancient NEET
Nay. It's just wealth redistribution under a different name.
Not in our technology, society or the globe as they currently are.
When we're at the point of cheap robot butlers and gengineering and shit then yeah sure.
>>73775805
If it were up to me everyone but euros, slavs and east asians would be exterminated
>>73775805
They do it anyway though.
The kind of people you don't want to have kids are also the ones who aren't rational actors. They're gonna have 12 kids and pray to Jesus for food while robbing people and spending 99% of the loot money on drugs.
With UBI, rational poor people would have more kids.
> silly goy, rational people aren't poor
Well-behaved poor people, then.
Maybe, but it should be very low and apply to rich people too.
If everyone is guaranteed to have some credits, they can at least be ensured to survive unless they have a dopamine problem, etc.
It can minimize the administration needed to deal with economic classes of all kinds.
>>73775512
just another zionist agenda to control us, rule us and destroy us.
If the government give you everything, you are DEPENDENT on them, thats exactly what they want.
Basic income comes from SOMEWHERE. What if the government decides for a few months that no one will get their income, the have the power to create a crisis when the fuck ever they want.
Its like stupid people saying that some countries have free education or health care. Its not fucking free u stupid idiots, its funded by taxes. around 35-40% of all taxes payed in Sweden goes to health care. Thats billions of billions of dollars, what the fuck.
We need to decentralise everything and limit governemnt. As a matter of fact, government isnt even needed. Its just a centralisation of power, and if history have thought us anything, ALL centralisation of power leads to corruption.
>>73776111
Exactly, eugenics is REQUIRED for humanity to survive and prosper.
>>73776261
Eugenics benefits satanic zionists, no one else, and kike shill posters on 4chan.
The rest should be against it.
>>73775620
I mean if the government wants to sacrifice animals in the woods to some ancient owl god, why should I care? It's not really any different from other religious practices out there. Freedom of religion bro, let them do what they want.
>alright muhammet, du get 1000€ for doing nothing, +200€ für every child
>germany population surpasses india and china combined
>>73776138
But it is we who are the "zionists", lennart. Unless you happen to be brown and live in Malmö and actually is an abdul, then i guess there could be some alienation on your side.
>we should literally subsidize people for doing nothing
never go full fucking retard
if you want a thriving economy the last thing you ought to do is take money from productive people and give it to the fiscally or mentally inept
>>73775965
>slavs
Not all slavs are the same. Just look at the Poles.
They hate almost every other slav.
I have a better idea: welfare loans.
All welfare you get from the government becomes a loan. You do not have to make repayments until you start earning an income over a certain threshold.
Here's the best part: you do not get to vote unless you have no outstanding welfare debt.
>>73775512
yay
>>73776436
The difference is that their insignificant practice fucking leads to destruction of the world
>>73776587
Are poles slavs? The are not even Orthodox Christians.
>>73776493
But just think of how easy it would be to trick them out of their money!
It'd be a micropayment paradise.
>>73775512
>paying more tax to slimes
No
>>73775512
Yay
>>73775512
Nay
>>73776391
...no, paying stupids to not have kids helps everyone, actually.
>>73776817
The muslim case of "brother-religion tithe" is a pathological case though. And a post-hoc justification for religious brownie NEETs.
>>73775512
Yes, because I'm a paranoid anxious NEET and this would make my life much less stressful.
I consider myself right wing but I see no harm in socialistic economic policies for a countrys natives, it works in Scandinavia (though they should have prevented such high levels of immigration) and it worked in National Socialist Germany.
>>73775512
not until we reach an unemployment rate of over 10% and it doesn't seem that there's going to be any solution to the crisis through the private sector, IE this is technological unemployment
Obviously first they have automated cashiers and fast food workers.
You might say "unskilled labor, they can get educated and get a new job" okay so they're supposed to put themselves in staggering debt to retrain.. Okay let's say they do that..
Next we have driverless trucks and pilotless planes, and conductorless trains that have better safety records than any human controlled transportation, that'll be entire sectors of jobs wiped out with no real replacement.
You say again, "well, those are skilled labor jobs, but they can be retrained" So we'll ignore the staggering cost of education and say they do that.
But then other industries start getting replaced by automation. Technician jobs like laboratory technicians, radiology technicians and the like. These are jobs that require degrees that are now being replaced by automation.
At some point, the cost of re-educating people especially in their 40's and 50's already becomes too high, they can't get financial aid or something along those lines and too many people are in college debt they can't pay off, and no there's not going to be enough jobs in building or maintaining automation to replace the lost jobs. The whole point of automation is to reduce the need for human labor, not replace one form of human labor with another on a 1:1 ratio.
Eventually... you'll find enough skilled and educated fields being replaced by automation and enough older people who aren't quite ready for social security but are too old to get re-educated and hired on a new job.. that our entire economic system will have to change.
>>73775919
>When we're at the point of cheap robot butlers and gengineering and shit then yeah sure.
The point you're describing is 20 years off at the most. That's already not enough time to implement the kind of huge shifts in economic organization that this will require. We needed to begin the process of preparing for a post-labor economy 10 years ago.
>>73775512
We have a referendum about this in June.
Should I vote Yes or No?
Only if there is no social security. Maybe...
>>73776607
>rich people vote to remove welfare loans
>poor people with welfare debt who are disenfranchised have no option but to turn to crime or starve
>>73775512
>literally the reason of europes refugee "crisis", and islamic radicalism
Yay
>>73776988
The problem is that some people are not stupid and quite conscientious but can't quite "grasp capitalism", like my mom.
We, her kids, are successful because we where supported by welfare, including "free" university and healthcare. Granted, I have several multimillionaire relatives so I would never have starved or died from preventable disease regardless but that is beside the point. Why should they be required to support me directly and I be directly dependent on them?
Hell no, if anything lower the cost of rent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_around_the_world#Iran
Iran has basic income since 2010.
>>73775512
>Filename
>1 7nwwtn
Do you know what i'm gonna say?
>>73777327
Vote no if you have standards and want this country to succeed
vote yes if you want a lifetime of money at the cost of ruining the country
I'm quite unsure myself being a neet and all
>>73776707
Poles, Croats, Czechs, Slovaks and Slovenes are Catholic. Still slavs.
The rest are Orthodox. Except for the Bosniaks and some ethnic groups in Bulgaria who went full retard for Allah
>>73775512
Yes. Society would woek through a major portion of its problems at double the rate, and we'd flourish. Neets become pretty knowledgable about certain things - so literally making a form of a NEET out of millions would catapult civilization.
Make-work work is fucking retardation left over from Baby Boomers.
>>73777395
So you prefer take money from the average tax payer instead of your "multimillionaire" relatives?
>>73777534
Only if it also accompanied a cultural shift of regarding education as a thing for personal development and not "get educated for prestige and job competence".
Most people in todays society are wired to be anti-academic even though they're taught to pay lip service to it.
>>73776587
Pole here. We do not hate other slavs. We are angry at Russians for communism, but rest of the Slavs are seen at the same level as rest of Europe. Stop spreading this bs. I always hear about how slavs hate each other, but never seen any actual slav on slav hate.
>>73777460
Maybe if we vote Yes, our economic crashes and we get overrun by """refugees""", people will wake up?
>>73777441
>lower the cost of rent
>>73777725
Now that I think about it, voting yes would most certainly give the state a heavy incentive to stop immigration
>>73777584
Not multimillionaire in quotes, they actually are multimillionaires.
But that is beside the point, most people who are poor don't have rich relatives, obviously. I was only pointing it out to prove the fact that I'm not one of those truly toxic cases of inherited, structural poverty in disguise but still grew up in a household supported by welfare.
>>73777454
That's got to be the strangest tanscribing of Hebrew I've ever seen.
שקל חדש.
>>73777454
I just assumed it was "1 super-shekel" or something. No idea about Israeli denominations.
>>73776607
I want to say I like the idea partially but I think it creates a lot of new issues and I'm too tired to get into it.
But interesting idea. Maybe look into what issues could arise and iron them out more and Its kind of a cool idea.
Why should money ever just be handed out with no reciprocal terms. Its fucking madness.
Even if only a small fraction could actually pay it back then that small fraction is better then none.
Not a shit post at all. Not bad.
>>73775512
Yay, but not yet. In the 30's when we have solid automation handling most of the jobs it'll be a viable solution to the inevitable unemployment.
For example, truckers should be the test group for this, since their entire industry is about to get overhauled by self-driving systems.
>>73775601
Soon, but not now.
Automation will make it necessary.
>>73777327
Nein
Non
No
I believe Basic Income will be the future once we get to a point where too many jobs are automated and our unemployment rate rises over 10% or so, but doing it prematurelly would run the country to the ground.
And this comming from someone who'd currently benefit from Basic Income
>>73777801
Wouldn't it do the oposite?
BI would only go to people of swiss nationality. Ergo it would make it more beneficial to increase out % of working immigrant population for their taxes to contribute to BI.
>>73775512
Why not universal basic tax exemptions? If you're paying my bills and I can sit on my ass I'm not going to work.
>>73779895
You're going to work on _something_.
If we removed the goddamn weirdness around academia and people just studied whatever, like rich people currently do, you'd eventually make yourself useful, probably.
>>73779879
>BI would only go to people of swiss nationality.
I wasn't aware of this bit, I planned to read up on it sometime before voting tho
>>73775512
We have something like this already, except you have to work to get it. EITC gives a shit ton of money back to lower income families below a certain threshold with children.
>>73779879
Actually, now that I think of the Automation thing; wouldn't you still need people to clean, transport, design, fix, maintaining, etc... the machine? Thus meaning that more Automation would lead to new jobs being created in the long run after a short run increase in unemployment
>>73777801
>>73777725
Don't you fucking vote yes. This cannot be financed for one, and I wouldn't be too sure about the immigration part either. Do you really think all these bleeding heart SP-cucks and Grüne (and the center parties too) will let our borders be closed?
>muh Bilaterale
>muh human rights for criminals
>muh "decade long culture of tolerance and openness"
If you even think about voting yes, renounce your citizenship and move to canada you parasites.
Large-scale welfare is the last warning sign of an empire about to collapse.
Free shekles is how the jews plan to get rid of us.
>>73775512
not until islam has been dealt with
>>73780238
I'm probably going to vote no even though I'd benefit on the short term
I just like to think about the implications
>>73777441
>thinks rent control works
read some thomas sowelll
>>73777442
and it's still an islamic shithole
I am not a fan of the bread and circus proposal. Fucking lefties always with their anti-initiative, anti-self-improvement and anti-excellence pushes. That being said, I do support something like a flat basic income - basic but conditional. I.e. if you are productive, studying, etc. you can get this basic income. For example, if you are a Uni student, you'd get one no question asked. It's currently hell to study in country. It's exceedingly expensive, the prices in the main cities are like from another planet, and to boot we have college fees whereas the rest of Europe fucking does not. If you don't have solidly middle class parents you have to work like an animal, hope for a scholarship (we have no standardized national system, just by cantons and private), or do it like me, emigrate to Germany.
So yes, basic income for students (except maybe if your parents are getting confirmed (< important) support from filthy rich parents.)
Another productive member of society who'd profit would be a full-time small NGO or charity worker, or artists, people looking to start a business, etc.
Basically, a right-wing version of unemployment benefits, but the other way around. You don't show you are trying to do something; instead what you are actually doing gets you paid.
>>73780546
The problem is that the oversight would probably cost more than the income itself.
You don't seem to realize how much resources exist in our society vs. how much you're actually getting. This is a problem in general i've noticed. People have no sense of proportion.
>globalism
Nay
I've been very curious about the concept for a while now but I would like to see how it works out in something like a small town first. I'm not convinced its something you can implement on the large scale. Especially with all these third-worlders flocking to western nations.
>>73779879
> BI only for people of Swiss nationality
Bullshit.
Our left cucks want it for everyone, including freshly immigrated EU and third world scum. That's why I'll vote no. Otherwise I'd voted Yes if it was only for Swiss people.
The constitutional change would not specify whether its only for swiss or for immigrants too, hence our left cucks in Bern would apply it for all the EU subhumans likes poles, portuguese, germans etc.
>>73780649
>You don't seem to realize how much resources exist in our society vs. how much you're actually getting.
Why is this relevant?
>>73775512
seems pointless
>everyone gets money
>nobody needs to work
>everybody gets to eat
>everyone gets to breed indefinitely, it'll be paid for
>food prices rise
>wage goes up
>workers wages come down
rinse and repeat until food prices are higher than the world average wage in record time
>>73783086
Because it's completely disproportionate. It's not just a little disproportionate.
People imagine it as being like handing breadcrumbs to a beggar when it's more like deigning the beggar to root through the local garbage dump before the trash is burnt.
>>73783262
When nobody "gets more from working" then we're already at the level of no-one needing to work.
The economy will be less stratified in the sense that everyone will be raised to the level of "working poor+" - the lifestyle of a somewhat well off college student. Because that is what our current system of mass production surplus can support.
We simply have so much _stuff_ we can simply almost give it away and still make a profit. The only exception is housing and luxury goods that are priced solely on demand.
