>This triggers the libertarian.
I would just like to let you know that you are one of my favorite posters UK guy who hates libertarians, and I'm a fan of your work.
>>73773417
not an argument
No it doesn't. Safety, defense and infrastructure are all okay roles of government
>This confuses and frightens the socialist
>>73773417
As an anarcho-capitalist, I'll just start a company that fixes roads and the companies that rely on roads will pay me to fix them.
>>73773417
theres been a pothole outside my house for years and you know what the council did? sent down a crew to raise the curb by 2mm so that it would fit regulations, thanks government
>>73773571
Or is also not a raccoon. And not a plate of spaghetti.
OP never claimed it was any of those things, either.
There's a pothole at the entrance to my neighborhood you have to violently swerve around every time if you want to avoid it, it's been there for months.
Libertarians what do you do when someone uses MUH FREE MARKET to form a private military and go dictator on your asses?
>>73774027
Kill them
>>73773417
What? we live in state right now, and we're not the only thing in a state, our roads are too.
>>73774082
What if they are a better capitalist and are able to use MUH FREE MARKET better and more effectively than you?
>>73774027
That would threaten the liberty and the free market and therefore the wealth of just about everybody else, so it would be in their interest to stop it.
Regardless, your argument only makes sense in Anarcho-capitalism which is only one strand. Most Libertarians accept that a reduced state is worth the benefits it brings.
>>73773417
how the fuck do those things ever create?
>>73773841
not an argument
Hypothetically libertarians: What if someone used MUH FREE MARKET to buy up every single last bit of a compound on the planet that was needed to make a life saving drug... Then proceeded to destroy it because MUH FREEDOMS.
What do?
>>73774189
>That would threaten the liberty and the free market and therefore the wealth of just about everybody else
You will need proofs with that. In such a scenario a lot of people could actually increase their wealth exponentially. A private military would have a numerous group to back it up, and the resources invested into the money and organization would be aimed at improving the initial sum of money, even from a libertarian point of view.
>>73774159
Then I and my compatriots have been outplayed. But it's such a falacious example that it is downright cringe worthy. Having a huge bloated corpse of a government does not better your chances in a war with a hostile dictatorship with superior force
>>73774331
*into the equipment
>>73774249
>>73773417
Libertarians don't mind state taxes, which is what pays for roads. It's the endless federal taxes and the government sitting around thing of new things to buy with the money they haven't taken yet they have a problem with. Seems reasonable to me.
the roads here are already an absurdly broken mess
t. Quebec
>>73774315
In a hyperbolic example of such an extreme. A freeman would only be able so hold his possessions as far as his force would allow
>>73774331
>Other PMCs would be threatened by the potential of a monopoly
>There is always some other dick who will want the same amount of power, => constant coups
Again though, this is an anarcho-cap fantasy in an isolated vacuum. Most Libertarian societies are about rolling back the influence of the state, not removing it. Using anarcho-cap is like using the Soviet union to describe social liberals.
>>73774027
Make my own PMC
War, has changed
>>73773840
Report the pothole
>>73773840
You should do what some guy did and spray paint a big penis just around the pothole, a few complaints about that and the council will fix that I bet.
>>73773417
A whole in the street actually shows that the state is not working in maintaining the roads.
Somehow people think it is difficult to build roads.
Compared to the use it is very cheap, but government fucks it up.
Our government spends as much money on rails as on roads, while only 7% of the population use them.
Government is inherently inefficient in allocating ressources.
>>73774027
Military is one of the only institution that a state should provide.
It shields a country from outside threats, secures trade routes outside of the country.
This is needed for a free market to work.
One other institution is a quick and just judical system.
But guess what all governments at least in Europe fail at.
Military was outsourced to the US. I don't think they will forever sacrifice their sons for our social security system to work a little longer.
Germany is down to one Panzer division and only a handful of our planes are operational, while still using around 200000 people in the military and at least as much employed as civilian support.
German military even uses private security to guard their military installations, because it is cheaper than using the stationed soldiers.
The roads are shit.
For example it took 50 years to connect Munich and Stuttgart, two of the biggest industrial centers of Germany to get connected by a Autobahn.
And what did they do? Only a 2 times 3 lanes one that won't be enough to handle the traffic, while building an even more expensive high speed railway next to it, that no one will use.
Our judical system is slow as fuck and you don't know anymore what is right or wrong to do because of an unlimted amount of ambigous laws and regulations.
Any lawsuit can fuck a business over.
>>73774451
I'm not driving I'm travelling.
>>73773417
This triggers anyone who gives a fuck about their car
>Potholes in Somalia
This double triggers the libertarian
>>73773417
Holes in a government road triggers a libertarian?
okay
>>73773417
Can someone once and for all explain to me what the fuck a libertarian is?
Liberals are degenerate tards -right?
What is Libertarian?
>>73774789
>Cu0ause damage to property, i jury, and death
S'ok
>Resemble a genital that 50% of people have
Fixed next day, cant have that in view of children
Fuck.
>>73776167
Niggers don't count as examples
>>73773788
Free to be used. Free to use. Man is still a wolf to man, whatever the system.
>tfw trump made libertarians and traditional cuckservatives irrelevent for the foreseeable future
Get out of my political system you money worshipping kikes
>>73776262
Understanding that economic freedom is the most important freedom there is.
And not free government shit.
You can only argue what polcies and laws economic freedom actually secures and which do harm it or even destroy it in certain markets.
But figures that a Swede would not understand that.
>>73776262
Edgy manchildren that never grown out of their "lol, fuck authority" phase
>>73775810
Lolbertardians absolutely BTFO to never recover!
>>73773788
Anyone who isn't already a 1% will be nothing more than an indentured slave in that system. Enjoy feudalism.
>>73777037
>implying is any different from now
The advantage is that is more efficient, less middlemen
>>73773730
Leftists don't accept opposing views not to be extreme dumb asses. Even if you tell them that, they'll correct you to say you don't believe there is a role for the government.
>>73777037
You actually believe that? 1%? There are so many small businesses that make money to sustain their families, why to you fall for such interactue lefty memes? Are you a child?
>>73777103
Hahaha fuck off man you'll have warlords lining up to fuck your ass and rentseekers to scoop up all the crumbs.
>>73776766
So who's gonna fix the goddamn hole?
>>73777223
Have you ever read a history book?
>>73777291
Me, for $50. Just as soon as I'm finished digging all these other potholes...
>>73777291
The owner?
>>73776262
was posted in another thread
>>73777223
Gods speed to those businesses. But what happens when Walmart or McDonalds takes over their market? These corporations have do many more resources to snuff out their competition. That's not how a truly free market should operate.
>>73777283
This makes me moist
>>73773417
I am no longer a lolbertarian. This post made me realize we need an extensive government or potholes will never be fixed. Please take 50% of my income so I never see a pothole again.
>>73777477
I remember when they were called centrists. In fact they ARE still called centrists, and libretardian parasites are latching onto that demographic just as they once latched on to the republicunt demographic.
>>73776594
Well said Chaim.
>>73774159
Be better at capitalism. Seriously, no matter what system is best, the best people using the best system will always have a strong military advantage over everyone else. That system is very clearly capitalism (unless you have no idea how the USA became the richest nation to ever exist), so be the best at it, or hope the best doesn't destroy you.
>>73777324
The very principles you're refuting refute your point, if someone makes a monopoly (highly unlikely without the help of a government), and effectively becomes a dictator, people lose the freedom to any of the things in that post, and they would riot.
>>73777501
The reason a mcdonnalds might win is because it was chosen by the public to win, monopolies are bad because they hurt people, I put it to you, that mcdonnalds wouldn't last long, if it started being an asshole to the people, very quickly, competition would arise.
>>73773417
>implying private city owners wouldn't just hire road repair and charge you a subscription
What a fag
>>73773417
>posts a picture of the current ruling system
>t-this triggers the liberarian!
protipp: in a libertarian society such holes would be fixed asap
>>73777501
Always the fear mongering of the evil big corporate monopolies by people who don't understand economic freedom.
If someone can establish a monopoly in a free market it is because they are the best, working the most efficient.
If they stop to do that, they will no longer be the best and others will replace them again quickly.
>>73773417
I am curious - what mechanisms do libertarians believe would ensure people still enjoy their basic human rights under this system? Who determines the laws, punishments, and regulations, and who has the authority to punish the "wrongdoers"?
>>73777501
Walmart and McDonalds, due to scale, become inefficient because of unions, small companies could compete with them if they weren't forced by the government to play by the same rules as the unionized big corporations.
People need to realize that the government regulations are nothing more than the expansion of union rules equally to all existing business, which represents a handicap for those who are just starting now and decreases competition.
>>73777444
How exactly does a single person or company own a road? Especially if it's the only one that cars can use to get from A to B? What happens when this "owner" doesn't fix his road that others rely on? They can't go anywhere else. That's why governments are help reasonable for shit like this (ie water, infrastructure, postal service).
>>73773417
Ok then, clearly, we need healthcare and social security, because a hole.
>>73777712
Well it's clear you've never read a history book. Why don't you study the "golden age" robber barons and great depression.
why do they need to be fixed?
>my dear car will break ;_;
use a bike lmao
>>73777501
>That's not how a truly free market should operate.
In your opinion.
>>73777659
>Libertarians
>Parasites
>Not the greedy tax gobblers of the left and right (Statists)
Roads on the most economically libertarian country in the world.
>>73776262
Tax as low as possible, government as small as possible, regulations as lax as possible
>>73777928
Roads on the most communist country in the world
>>73777928
>empty as fuck
seems about right
>>73777812
The government, elected by the people.
>>73777863
People who use their power to control the people unfairly always show up, most governments are proof of that. All I'm saying is that it's always up to the people to dismantle unfair powers.
>>73777777
test
>>73777709
>never s
Sorry but Mansa Musa was richer than the entire US
>>73777812
Libertarians (like the founding fathers of America) believe in "small government" so a small government funded with tariffs on imported goods, would punish murderers and thieves.
But a small government would never tell people what kind of food, drink or drugs they can use, a small government would never plunder one portion of society, to indulge another sector, like bloated governments do now.
Libertarian = small government (Colonial America, Monaco)
Anarchist = no government (Somalia)
>>73773417
Statists on suicide watch.
>>73777811
>they is just hard workin! The cooperation dindu nuffin!
I'm so tired of this meme. Once business get large enough and if it decides to toss morals to the side, they can do shit no other company can regardless of how hard working that small company is. McDonalds/Walmart can influence politics, treat their employees like shit, cut corners on production that others can't, while still maintaining a advertising campaign or propaganda that claims their helping the world and providing jobs. Free markets don't protect against shit like this and that's when regulation becomes inevitable.
>>73777820
Why does every post from a paid government-promoting shill look like it was typed by an illiterate Bangladeshi?
>>73777812
Police and courts, unless you're talking retard anarchists, then I guess the holy spirit or something
>>73777991
>>73778045
I have often heard libertarians mention the "non-violence principle". How can the government craft the laws, enforce them, and protect its citizens without the use of violence?
>>73777608
>>73777820
>only one road exists
>>73776486
RAREST
>>73778039
400 billion? We have 400 people worth a billion a piece at least.
>>73777863
>blaming capitalism for the Hoover tarrifs
>>73777820
Just look up the history how the Golden Gate bridge was built as an example.
If you don't fulfill a contract you are punished and replaced.
If the government just sets the standards for a road, as in laws, but does not own the road it can punish and ultimately disown the owner of said road and find a new contractor when it does not fulfill its part of the deal.
Most streets are required by the businesses so they will build the road together and contract someone to maintain it.
So many possibilities. Not that complicated.
>>73777991
They did dismanle the oligarchs, with a democratically elected government. FDR's New Deal reset the balance leading to the middle-class utopia of post-war USA. Ever since then the oligarchs have been clawing back, from the overt coup they tried to organize with Smedley Butler through to the boiling frog rollback of govt regulation.
>>73778045
Common shittalk, Somalia has a government, but not one recognized by the world.
Or perhaps more accurately, they are a bunch of warlords that own the place like kings, not anarchist, at all.
>>73778259
>american ignorant of own history
Stop the presses!
>>73777811
That's literally not how it works at all in the real world you stupid nigger
If someone has a monopoly they will pay off suppliers to set up barriers to entry and buy up shop fronts to prevent competitors from even starting up competing businesses. This legitimately happened in Australia in the grocery sector until the Government told Woolworths and Coles they can't set up new shops near other shops because they were literally buying up shops in Shopping centres and sometimes having two outlets in the same centre just so other competitors couldn't set up shop.
The world doesn't work how you think It fucking does. Your random Joe off the street can't fucking start up his own business competing with a major global corporation just because he's sick of their shit, no matter how much government red tape you get rid of. Dealing with suppliers and establishing distribution networks takes a lot of resources and If one company is large enough, they can completely block out competitors by preventing others from using them.
>>73778136
>Retarded jargon
>Absolute stupidity
McDonalds and Walmart are bound by the same market forces which exist for all corporations (except for any "companies" which receive unfair protection from the government, like Obama insider scams like solyndra etc)_
Walmart has closed multiple stores, Target Canada went completely bust and closed. The free market is a fickle mistress (unless they have corrupt government officials on speed dial like Solyndra, GM, Dianne Feinstein husbands corrupt company etc)
>>73777659
This.
Centralism makes sense and is respectable; libertarianism is just communism wearing a shitty hat.
>>73778346
> they can't set up new shops near other shops
They can't set up new shops near their own* existing shops rather, they can set up shops near competitors.
>>73778136
>influence politics
So libertarian
If anything you said was true, where are all the corporate giants from the 1900's? Or any time before that really. They all die, they all get too bloated and outdated.
>>73778156
Yes, a government rule is violent by nature, what libertarians say, as opposed to anarchists, is that some violent rule is necessary to make sure people have the other rights.
By the way, by rights, I mean what you would be able to do if there was no one else in the world. Would you have the right to sustain yourself? Yes
Would you have the right to a free car? No, because that means a duty on others to provide you with the free car.
Would you have the right to security? Yes, because there would be nobody else to be a security issue. That means, your existance threatens other people, so you have the duty to pay for the security of others, because if you didn't exist, the other would be safe.
Now, does it mean the government may take money from you to pay for others' health? No, they would be as sick if you didn't exist, it's not your fault, and if you want to help, it should be your choice.
>>73778156
Personally, I'm fine with state violence on a limited scale, honestly without threat of violence you can't have a state at all. Using violence against murderers, theives, rapists, nothing wrong with that to me.
>>73778156
>If someone has a monopoly they will pay off suppliers to set up barriers to entry and buy up shop fronts to prevent competitors from even starting up competing businesses.
So they will spend a hefty sum of money to block companies from entering the market, but what happens when the one entering the market is someone who has built their capital in some totally different market and can outmanouver you because your fixed costs are huge due to those pay offs?
>>73778270
Ah, good ol FDR. I love how he is revered and yet his entire reign is known as The Great Depression
>>73778500
Technology today allows even larger corporations to pivot relatively quickly as well as detect tends earlier. I, of course, can't know for sure but I don't think large companies of today are going anywhere anytime soon.
>>73778270
I'm not against a government, and if it were to be proven that monopolies could arise in a completely free market, and that it would be a problem to the people, then it would be the responsibility of the government to defend the rights of the people. What it would never be a legitimate role of the government is healthcare, education, social seciruty, etc...
>>73778500
Coca Cola, Pepsi, McDonalds, Tricon, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Intel, Blackwater?
>>73778136
Today you are right.
This is why you have to limit government power, so a corporation can not use it to put its competitors out of business.
We also have abolished slavery. No one is forcing anyone to work, except our government.
Somehow you are against monopolies and rightfully understand that a lot of power corrupts.
But to fight that you want a entity that can do the same. Have a monopoly at useing weapons to attack, cage people to comply if they don't pay it.
No one forces you to go eat at McDonalds or go to Walmart. This is economic freedom.
People go there because they are good at what they do, otherwise they would not exist.
I don't know Walmart, but I doubt it is the only super market or source of food around in the US. And most other products you could just order online today.
But the government will imprison you and if you resist kill you if you don't pay your taxes.
>>73778156
With a small government, you have to choose what roles you want the government to play.
Defend the nations borders
Protect the citizens against violent crime and fraud
Shut down any corrupt corporations that do harm (Like someone starts a toxic waste dump and lets foreign companies dump toxic waste in our country and pollute and destroy our nations environment for their corrupt profit)
Yeah they will use force to carry this protection out.
But they will never bust down your door for what you choose to smoke.
And they will never use force to plunder one section of society, to indulge another portion (welfare)
Libertarians want small government (like we had in the founding era of America, no income tax for example, no restriction whatsoever what you can eat and drink and smoke_)
Only anarchists want 'no government' (like wonderful Somalia__)
>>73778307
>ausi shitposts
What a surprise!
>>73778500
>>73778701
Sorry, I misread that as 1990. 1900 was a vastly different environment, and obviously changes like the ones between then and now may happen again in the span of 100 years.
>>73778500
Are you fucking kidding? No wonder america has gone to the dogs if this is an indicative level of ignorance.
>>73778346
All that wasteful spending leads to a very unsustainable business model
>>73778681
Those are all good for the consumer, the question was more what will stop companies once they become bad for the consumer, which is just death, like always
>>73778664
>blaming FDR for the great depression
He was the chemo. The corporatists and bankers have gotten so bold now as to eradicate Jackson from the $20 bill; the man who kicked their asses. They're slowly erasing the memory of the great men who put the corporate scum in their place and judging by bullshit posts like yours, it's working.
>>73778845
Your inefficiencies don't matter if your the only person in the game idiot
As long as you can still turn a profit and have control over the price (Which you would as a monopoly), your disgusting inefficient anti-competitive monopoly can continue to shit up the place and braindead libertarians "muh invisible hand" niggers will support its existence
>>73778797
Exactly. No company is immortal, especially if they get stupid
>>73778777
>americunt ad-hominems in lieu of challenging their cognitive dissonance
>>73773788
>Free to compete
>Patent rights
>IP rights
>"We patented a rectangle with round corners as a shape for a smartphone"
>>73778304
>True anarchy has never been tried!!
yeah whatever you say buddy. Somalia is a no-government anarchist paradise. What they devolves into, combined with the fact that the population is savage niggers? Well you're seeing it. I recommend Mogodishu for your next deluxe vacation.
Somalia (anarchy) is still better than statism at its worst-- Cambodia, genocide.
>>73778346
I live in a small town in Germany, 14k people.
We have 5 different independent brands of super markets 5-10 minutes walks next to each other.
If I drive 10 minutes to the east there is a big shopping center with 2 more super markets.
If I drive 20 minutes to the west I am in a big city where you cannot count the amount of competing shops any more.
Not counting the numerous bakeries and butcher shops and surrounding farms that directly sell their stuff.
Sorry I just can't understand the problem. Somehow it works here.
>>73778968
Ty ausi bro, would you mind naming at least three pieces of the New Deal that weren't pants-on-head retarded?
>>73779015
>rockefeller
>>73779109
>>73778500
>>73779015
Okay, now for my reason answer:
US Steel, General Electric, Standard Oil (Exxon, Chevron), Macy's, Ford, Boeing, CIGNA, Dixon, Chase, Citicorp, Hartford, Palmolive, Remington
>>73776262
>What is Libertarian?
Anarchist-lite. Instead of having no tax and no state, you have a very, very small tax and a very, very small state.
>>73775810
>>73777004
Modern Libertarianism =/= Anarcho - Capitalism
>at least in the U.S.
>>73774292
Observation isn't argument. And that's ok.
(This is a definition followed by an opinion - but not an argument).
"Not an argument" is just a lazy way to avoid engaging in discussion over a question, observation, news story, image, concept or hypothesis.(None of which are arguments)
"Not an argument" implies all posts must be in the form of an argument to be valid. (This is a claim that can be argued but is not an argument).
Reserve "not an argument" for the person who attempts or claims to present an argument and fails to do so. (This is a recommendation, not an argument).
>>73779086
>Switzerland is pro-gun so it's a libertarian country
>wtfamireading.jpg
What planet are these imbeciles on?
>>73779276
But still no one forces you to buy from them.
It is not like the products you list there have no small business alternatives or that they are somehow bad, just because the corporation behind it generates a lot of revenue.
>>73779390
still not an argument
>>73779439
"not an argument" is not an argument
If you continue this further I am forced to ask, do you want me to get shot?
>>73779015
>>73779349
I almost forgot Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson.
>>73779072
>Patent rights
>IP rights
>"We patented a rectangle with round corners as a shape for a smartphone"
>Things strictly regulated by government agencies
>Free market
>>73779495
Not an argument.
>>73779420
As soon as a competitor gains market share, it is either acquired or stamped out. That's how those brand portfolios are built.
>>73779603
literally no company ever is against those things tho, they only support the free market where it makes them big sheckels
also, if you zero government influence, how do you deal with monopolies and intentionally fucking over competition so you keep all the power? price dumping for example.
>>73779405
>Switzerland
>Gun rights for all citizens
>Economic freedom
>Every man a soldier
>No foreign wars for the jews like USA/UK have
>Government so modest you don't even know the president's name
>Not libertarian
If you want to see an imbecile you should consult your mirror.
Switzerland, Monaco, and the America of the founding era are the real life examples of small government libertarianism. (maybe also england for one brief period of time 500 years ago)
>britcuck obsessed with black holes
Can't say I'm surprised
>>73779780
>price dumping for example.
"Price dumping" is some kind of government scam which I don't believe happens in real life.
Could you please export Mercedes cars and maybe East European prostitutes on us and "dump" them on us so we can buy them for $500 each for a new one?
>OH GOD THEY ARE SELLING US THIS STUFF AND THE PRICE IS TOO LOW!!
>>73779780
Monopolies:
>>73778747
And if you start price dumping to put someone out of business, I could just as a competitor borrow money, buy your stuff cheap, and wait until you have to raise the prices again.
Then sell your undervalued products with a profit and put you out of business for good for thinking short term.
>>73773417
Look at that road, what a disgrace. Pretty sure a private company would have fixed it long before that happened. You're right, that is triggering.
>>73778136
>the gooberment did nuthing wrong
>>73777887
>Libertarians
>not parasites
Wanting to get all the infrastructure and benefit of living in a developed country with the option to opt out for paying for it is being a parasite.
>>73776430
niggers are the only ones dumb enough to try it
>>73780205
You are a disgrace to your flag anon.
A libertarian would not be a parasite as he would prefer to live in a system where you can't be one.
>>73776167
>double digit IQ is relevant to the conversation
Not even libertarian but this shit is
>Not an argument
there is also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali%E2%80%93silica_reaction
>>73780280
The irony of people stupid enough to drink the libretardian koolaid is they'd be the ones who would lose everything in such a society, where the 1% would just take everything you had and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it. Enjoy feudalism.
>>73773417
In my area there is graft and corruption. A section of state highway has been under "construction" for more than 5 years.
A company wins the bid, then they fart around and make it look like they are working.
All of the sudden the project is up for bid again. The last company went out of business and the work is not completed.
Then it all repeats. The highway is still unfinished. Months will go by with nobody working on it. Then 3 or 4 workers show up for a few days then weeks go by with no one working.
Spending dat gubmint money.
>>73777477
>tolerance of others' personal choices
dropped tbqh
>>73773829
This.
>but replace ancap with minarchist
>>73780551
You have obviously not bothered to read my other posts.
I agree that ABOLISHING the government is obviously a shitty idea - but a decrease is in my opinion not. It's unrealistic to say that
>muh free market
would solve every problem becuase it would be exploited by the people who are already in charge.
>>73773730
You aren't a libertarian, then, bub.
>>73780551
>implying small government = feudalism
>>73773730
>>73780820
Yeah this is more accurately described as neoliberalism
>>73780205
It is exactly the opposite.
I want to pay for the services I use and not for the services other people need.
For example in Germany our government spends as much money on roads as on the railway system, but only 7% of distance traveled by people is by train.
Am I a parasite not wanting to pay for this shit?
But I have no choice. Every time I need fuel for my car I have to pay not only for the road, but also for the train I don't use.
>>73776262
They are liberals.
Americans misuse the word liberal, so they have to make up a new word for what the rest of the world calls liberals.
>>73780840
You don't get a much smaller government than a king.
>>73779603
So are you actually saying that a "true" free market would abolish copyright and trade mark laws? Interesting
>>73780956
w0t
>>73780811
Are you talking about Sweden's gov't, or ours? Because yours is much bigger is it not?
I agree with the Aussie btw >>73780956
>>73779378
So they're just liberals, not libertarian
>>73781004
We have more politicians per capita than any other comparable country.
>>73773417
>>73775810
>the government doesnt actually produce shit but you really need it to sign off on all this shit you like to have :^)
fuck OFF stupid frog poster
>>73779495
That is not a argument
>1983
>report giant pot hole in my street to the council
>they say they'll get it sorted and paint a yellow line around it
>2012
>labour councillor comes waking to my door when I'm in the front garden
>he sees me and says "you're going to have a go at me aren't you?"
>"how do you know?"
>"I can tell by the look on your face"
>tell him the council painted around the pothole 29 years ago and they've done nothing since
>he says he'll get it sorted back at the office
>3 months ago
>people come round and paint yellow lines around all other potholes in the street and leave
>this morning
>wake up and can't get car out of driveway because they're taking up the whole road to relay it
>late for work
>>73778039
USA gdp is 20 trillion
>>73781046
Yes - but obviously the labels are mixed up as liberals in America are the left wing propagating for an increase in government.
I mean one of the front runners for the democrat party which have been labeled as liberal for a long time defines himself as a social democrat.
>>73781071
>implying leftists would acknowledge the need for hard work.
>>73775635
lmao we meta now boys
>>73773829
If only life was a pretty sim city game
>>73780025
>I don't understand basic economic theory
>>73773829
As we have a truly free (tm) market, I, Road Repair International Inc., will temporarily take a hit by undercutting your price while providing superior service.
My goal is that your shitty tiny business fails and you starve.
>>73773417
I still don't know what a libertarian is.
>>73781552
naive.
>>73781615
It's just a word I see on /pol/ and nowhere else
>>73773417
>>73781693
that's probably because this is a politics board
>>73782048
I thought this was a dank meme board?
>>73773788
This picture is missing a few things.
Free to Pollute the environment.
Free to over consume natural resources.
Free to privatize Food, Water, Air and land.
Free to enslave people with the said privatized assets.
Free to form a Corporate republic and establish monopoly on everything within national boundaries
>>73782183
And, apparantly, free from the limitations of costs and the need to make a profit and satisfy customers.
>>73780907
I don't know if its fair to lump libertarianism with anarchism or anarcho-capitalism.
Neoliberalism is an economic framework, while libertarianism is a political framework.
You can't really say "You're not libertarian - you're a neoliberal"
The idea that a civil society can organize a government that serves a limited purpose, especially to enforce freely-entered contracts and the mutual protection is well within the libertarian framework.
>>73782183
fucking this. Lolbertarians can't seem to understand that most gov't regulations on the market are in place because, at some point in history, a flaw was revealed in the Free Market (tm)
>>73782183
>Over-consume
Haha, look at Finland telling us how much we should be "allowed" to consume.
Mommy - how many cookies can I have? May I have another cookie?
>>73777807
by whom
an altruistic millionaire who would have cursed a society that forced him to adhere to child labor practices, safety regulations, paying his employees, and not practicing slavery?
>>73773840
Just buy some cold patch and fix it yourself at night so nobody knows
>>73782607
hello corporate shill
>>73773417
>tfw ordinary citizen could sufficiently fill the pothole in 20 minutes with a shovel and some stuff to fill the hole with.
>same thing done by the government costs thousands of dollars for a single pothole and doesn't even feel better when you drive over it
>>73780609
private corporations have already proven that they will do this even with appropriate funding
you can be damned sure that every road in the country will look like this if the matter is left to purely altruistic corporate activity
>>73782742
>same thing done by the government costs thousands of dollars
proof?
>>73781126
How old are you?
>>73773417
>See pothole
>Fill it up with cement you have in your shed because you directly benefit from the road in front of your house or call call a roadlaying company to do it for you and pay it with money collected from. you and your neighbours because you can actually take initiative and care for your community because you're not an autistic child that needs daddy government for every fucking small trifle.
>>73782679
>>73782679
You don't even know what a corporate shill is. Someone taught you to say that when you get confused?
If you need a mommy to tell you what kind of lightbulb to use, how much you are allowed to earn, what you are allowed to say, how you are allowed to protect yourself, which hand you can jerk off with, and what kind of grain you are allowed to consume, fuck off and go to Finland.
>>73781473
And, due to your malicious intent behind your undercutting your price, I will continue to support the small business and refuse to comission you for any job.
/pol/, why do you hate libertarians? We're brothers, we're supposed to love each other!
>If it involves a cost without benefit, state it's ok
>But I still don't want to pay taxes because I'm so libertarian shit
>State have no power, no money, no nothing, but still has to spend money in basic services
>The world is a fucking wasteland
>Feelsgoodtobelibertarian.jpg
>>73782896
>filling pothole with cement
You're a liability you arent helping
>>73781473
>when people are supposed to look at a business being better and cheaper and see there is something wrong with it.
>>73782634
>Clandestinely help your community in the dead of night, because the government might find out that you're doing something good illegally
I guess it is this sad.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782873/We-speed-bumps-road-wasn-t-repaired-council-wants-dug-Officials-warn-tries-stop-workmen-arrested.html
>>73782896
Except the vast majority of people would never do this.
And how would you maintain highways? Do you live next to a highway and go out to maintain it? Don't be ridiculous.
>>73782933
shill confirmed.
>implying I said any of that
>>73778039
WE WUZ RICH ASS NIGGAS N SHIET
>>73783054
>Lay cement until 1.5in from level
>Fill the rest with sealer a la pic related
>>73783054
This is done all the time on lower quality roads. Some cold asphalt filler isn't really expensive either. It's literally a 10 minute job, if not less. The fact that some potholes exist for years, if not decades, is evidence enough of weak-willed people with no sense of community. The government has demanded this be replaced with the government itself, but continues to fail in delivering.
>>73783129
you missed phase two: once competition is eliminated, jack up prices for huge profits.
If more competition arises, I will simply use the same strategy (undercut with equal or better service) until the problem goes away. Effectively stealing from everyone, and no one can do anything about it because
>what gov't? XD
>>73782607
Well we are not exactly running out of water any time soon.
Nestle will be happy to sell you a bottle or two within decade or two, as long as the price is right.
http://www.exposingtruth.com/new-un-report-finds-almost-no-industry-profitable-if-environmental-costs-were-included/
>>73783222
>Except (...) people would never do this
That was my point. People have become complacent because of the government
>maintain highways
OP's pic is obviously not a highway. Highways can be maintained through toll, this is not a new concept. Or by taxes, I'm not really that much of a libertarian. Essential infrastructure on a national level can very well be a government task. Filling every pothole doesn't have to be.
>>73782495
>This
There's different schools of libertarianism.
There's "free market" libertarians, who are concerned more about muh money than individual liberty.
Then there's social libertarians, who focus mainly on individual liberty - sort of like AnCom, but with less handouts and forced equality.
Under a free market libertarian government, the government's only role is legislating against harmful criminal acts, and has no role in regards to infrastructure, policing and welfare.
Under a social libertarian giver, the government's only responsibility is infrastructure, policing and basic forms of welfare - but it does not operate exclusively in these matters.
Under an AnCom government, the government's only responsibilities are infrastructure, policing and welfare - but it operates exclusively in these areas.
>>73783358
It would assume your competition is behind you so much, that it can't compete, such competition should fail. But in a market where there is so few competition, great investment arises, because the fewer the companies in the market, the more valuable each becomes.
>>73775810
I like how you just naturally associate ignorance with public education.
8/8
>>73779716
>>73781118
Astute observation my good gentlesirs! I tip my fedora to you.
>>73782183
>Free to Pollute the environment.
>Free to over consume natural resources.
Both are tragedy of commons
>Free to privatize Food, Water, Air and land.
Food is already privatized. So is land. Water already is to a certian extent. It is impossible to privatize all air, there would always be a free alternative. All this is happening, and not only that, it's happening in the most prosperous, advanced and successful nations in the entirety of human history
>Free to enslave people with the said privatized assets.
So slavery to the goverment is better? At least with the buisness I have a choice.
>Free to form a Corporate republic and establish monopoly on everything within national boundaries
Sustained monoplies only occur with the help of the government. So not an arguement,
>>73778447
>libertarianism is just communism wearing a shitty hat.
how that even make sense?
Communism is a strong gov and uniformity for equality
Libertarian is a weak gov and disparity from freedom
>>73778049
>>73774513
Indeed.
>>73773417
I still don't understand this meme
mostly because it isn't true
>>73782183
>>Free to Pollute the environment.
>If my neighborhoods pollution fucks up my lawn I will sue his ass
Strong property laws
>>73773417
>pic of government funded road
>>73778049
oh shit, they're a real state now
>>73777928
>>73777958
What countries are these
>>73773417
Yeah it does, you want to know why?
I live in one of the most poorly road-maintained cities on the planet with one of the highest City/county tax rates in existence.
After an intense storm there was a pot hole on the road connecting to my home street - after two weeks of it not being repaired i went out with a few bags of self-bought quickcrete black top and started to fill it in myself.
When I was nearly finished a sherrif came by and asked me what i was doing and then told me to stop because "It falls under the county's jurisdiction" and if I was caught doing it again I'd be fined for operating without a permit.
So yeah, pot holes make me fucking angry because the city can't be fucking trusted to keep them filled when that's exactly what I pay taxes for!
>>73781473
And over here at Mom and Pop's Road Repair, we thought up a better, faster way of repairing roads. We're not telling you how we do it, but if you hire us you'll be back on the road in no time and never have to refill a pothole in that location again.
>>73786698
>>73786698
Sorry, Mom and Pop.
Granny Gov. has to let big Union Joe fill the hole for 2x the price you are offering and in 5x the time. If you try to fill the hole, you will be fined or imprisoned.
Big Union Joe gives us money for reelection so we can continue to keep you safe and give you things that we prevent you from having on your own.
Love
Granny Gov.
>>73776486
hows high school there bubba
>>73773417
>this triggers the statist
>>73784120
>Both are tragedy of commons
EU and many of it's member states are already embracing greener future through regulations, laws and taxes. This changed the playing field and forced the corporations to compete providing cleaner technologies and services.
>Food is already privatized. So is land. Water already is to a certian extent.
Maybe in the states, but not in here.
>>73784120
>So slavery to the goverment is better? At least with the buisness I have a choice.
typical black and white fallacy.
I am not slave to Finland nor the EU are you slave to united states?
One of the cornerstones of capitalism is competition, competition without rules is chaos and to make sure that competitors follow the said rules there needs to be a judge that has the power to enforce these rules. Those judges in modern world are cities, states, governments and unions that are lead by people.
>Sustained monoplies only occur with the help of the government. So not an arguement,
In a corporate republic the corporation is the government.
>>73788010
>>73788010
So, let's argue what the violation is and what the request is.
If the request is "stop raping me" - does John and his surrogates have the right to enforce that demand?
>>73788282
Nope.
But you're not gonna get far in this conversation with me, since I don't believe in rights to begin with.
>>73788575
Week then why is it wrong for John to violate you if you don't have rights? If John has the power to do so, then i guess he should.
>>73789664
God commands him not to. He has an obligation to not violate others.
Easiest game. Easiest life.
>>73789806
>implying Christians obey God ever.
>>73790077
I think implying they don't is the less inductively supported implication.
>>73773417
Leopold's foray into Congo created a de facto libertarian paradise:
>No government,
>Instead, a semblance of a multinational corporate state
>Motivation of local workforce and incentives dictated by bare economics and immediate business sustainability
Land of miracles!
And ten gorillion dead bodies.
>>73773417
Our roads are fucking awful as is. A libertarian couldn't do a worse job.
>>73790773
Congo reflected the nature of the congolese: primitive and violent.
Other colonies, like hong kong, thrived.
>>73779037
You've only been spamming "educate yourself shitlord!" At least you still have shitposting down.
Squatters who refuse to pay rent(hereby referred to as "taxes") to US Govt Ltd are in violation of the non-aggression principle and will be sent to debtors' prison.
>>73773417
This triggers me too.
I pay 153 EUR each year for road maintenance but it gets spent for railways, there are holes all over the local roads
>>73788269
>EU is enforcing greener policies
Which doesn't matter as long as the rest of the world continues to pollute. Good luck getting china or india to stop. And it belongs to everyone, so you can't simply ban them from access.
>food land and water aren't privatesed in the EU
yes they are. You have water bottles. You have privately owned grocery stores. And privately owned farms. And you certainly have privatezed land
You are most definitely a slave to the EU. You don't get a salary from the government, do you? You work hard and are forced to give a potion of your wages to the government. Just because they treat you nice, protect you and do things for you doesn't make it any less slavary.
>>73773417
>pothole.jpg
Come on. You folks already came up with a fix for this: http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/2/8535259/penis-pothole-activism-wanksy-england
>>73773417
>libertarians believe in no roads meme
>>73773730
>defense
Depends on who government proclaims to be the enemy. It may be you.
>>73788269
>embracing greener future through regulations, laws and taxes
i.e. forcing the poor to pay more for energy, so upper class liberals can order "green" 200 ton towers of Chinese steel.
>>73773417
>shitty government road
>HAHA LIBERTARIANS BTFO
>British indoctrination
![zW6CrZ2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/apxYdke.jpg "zW6CrZ2[1].jpg")
>>73782612
Same folks who build them in the first place
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/klein/PdfPapers/VoluntaryProvisionPublicGoods.pdf
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/klein/PdfPapers/EconomyCommunityLaw.pdf
>>73773417
I just put sand on it and reported the hole to the authorities. What's so horrifying about this?
>>73773417
>takes picture of despaired GOVERNMENT sanctioned road
>LOL libertarians
The free market would fix that pot hole
>>73773417
Yeah because British councils are so fucking good at fixing a simple pothole in the road.
Oh wait...
>>73773417
Bongs.
>>73773417
JUST
