Who was better for Iran?
the shah or the ayatollah?
>>73751756
Isreal
>>73751756
Ayatollah of course.
The Shah was corrupt as fuck
>>73751756
Shah was trash tbqh
Depends on who you ask and their connections to the government, thats usually who ends up wealthy, but as far as pushing western values, the Shah obviously.
Loved this guy in the sopranos
>>73751756
Why is Richard Nixon wearing that uniform?
>>73752170
vallah allah ayatollah :D
>>73751756
My father lived in poverty under the shah, but enjoyed social programs like boy scouts, and getting scholarships to Sweden, but he supported overthrowing him because he thought he could get America tier democracy he read in his books. He said looking back he'd rather have the shah than the ayatolla.
>>73752438
Sorry to hear that,
What did the ayatolla say that made your father think he was pro-democracy?
>>73752433
fake and gay
just like the thing about it being okay to fuck animals
Pahlavi > Khomeini
Pinochet > Allende
Ubico/Armas > Arbenz
Somaza > Sandinistas
Farouk > Nasser
>>73752702
Nothing. He was lying of course.
Probably a. Kike
>>73752935
Pahlav was a fucking traitor.
Traitors were always shit
>>73751756
Shah
But Mossadegh was better but burgers fucked it up
>>73751968
>Implying IRGC and all organs under supreme leader control aren't corrupt as shit
>>73753117
i thought internet was banned in iran
>>73751756
The Ayatollah, the Shah was a western enabler that let the USA walk around without giving a fuck, Khomeini had the balls to challenge the world order and the world is actually safer thanks to him.
>>73752702
FREE EVERYTHING
FREE HOUSING
FREE EDACTSHIAN
...
etc
Fun fact:
Lefties supported khomini,but when he tooked power they did some horrible shit to them
>>73751756
Xerxes
>>73752702
I never asked him about what that, but I assume that the ayatollah's actions made my father dislike him.
>>73753226
I thought niggers don't have internet in america...
>>73751756
Obama.
>>73753278
>Lefties supported khomini,but when he tooked power they did some horrible shit to them
That's the fate of all useful idiots.
>>73751756
Is that even a fucking question!?!
>>73753350
am whites boy
>>73753350
Actually they do. They are mostly on shit sites like SnapChat or something.
>>73753611
So that explains why he asked such a retarded quastion
>>73753324
propaganda shit movie
>>73751756
Iranian American from Southern California here
Shah obviously
>>73753767
why'd they change to the vagina?
>>73753767
Can you speak farsi at least?
The Shah was fine, but Carter (that fuckhead) should've just let go of him when he needed to, instead he took him in even though he only had like, a month left to live, and completely ruined foreign relations with the Ayatollah's Iran. Hopefully Trump will try to build better relations with the IRI like he plans to do with Russia.
>>73753890
no, what am I a faggot?
>>73753767
Anyone saying Shah doesn't know shit about Iran. I dont care if it's your nationality or birthplace.
The Shah was corrupt and turned Iran into a literal puppet state for the West. While it had its short term perks while the west tried to dry up your natural resources, it had no long term benefits.
Did the Shah have nukes?
I think not
>>73753982
Anyone saying Ayatolla doesn't know shit about Iran. I dont care if it's your nationality or birthplace.
The Ayatolla was corrupt and turned Iran into a literal puppet state for the East. While it had its short term perks while the East tried to dry up your natural resources, it had no long term benefits.
Fxd it for you :D
>>73753890
baleh
>>73753980
Nah,but in a 3 or 2 generations your kin becomes huge mu heritage fags
>>73754044
He wanted have though
>>73753611
worlstarr
>>73753982
Are you pretending to be retarded or are you just stupid?
>>73753767
>>73753699
Is there any governmental reason my Iranian friend from Texas one year up and left without warning (it was around 2002)? He later friended me on facebook many years later living in Tehran, Iran. I've never really wanted to ask where the hell he had been.
The Shah allowed Muslims to congregate in secret and plot his downfall because he respected their religion. He was a useless idiot.
>>73754211
Because he's a muslim retard or he was deported
>>73754120
at least someone can,aren't you that guy from new jeresy?
>>73754211
Dunno,probebly family problems
>>73753982
was he not a cia plant with a purpose of thieving the oil out of that place?
>>73754384
He was. Just another paid off puppet leader.
>>73751756
The Great Khan
>>73754384
Typical communist talking points
-yawn-
>>73753982
Fuck off
>>73753982
Rich, non-religious gallivanted around taking trips to the Caspian. Their children had nannies, they went to porn movies in Tehran, they wore Western clothes.
Meanwhile, Shah's Savak killed and tortured all dissidents. Shah got too big for his britches, though; thought he could nationalize or better control BP, so the West helped topple him and Khomeni was given control.
A nuke to the capital would be better.
>>73754345
Why the fuck are you retarded? He was a legal citizen of the United States. The act of talking to him is suspicious to onlookers now that he lives on Iranian soil and communicates through Iranian channels.
>>73754355
Nope. I'm from central NY. Dated a girl from Iran for a while. She traveled too much and I'm not a doctor or a lawyer so...
>>73754693
don't get so offended you dumb pussy
>>73753980
Yes, you're a huge faggot for sucking Shah cock instead of swearing your allegiance to based Khamenei.
>>73754595
Good argument. It's a shame your once respected country has turned to literal shit by useful idiots like yourself romanticising about corrupt leaders that made you more like the West.
Protip: if the Shah stayed in power and you continued to play patsy to the West, guess who would be taking in all those refugees.
Sure the ayatollah is a bitch to Russia but at least Russia respects your borders.
>>73753350
>iran bringing the bantz
are you the iranian tripfag in the /metal/ generals on /mu/?
>>73754603
Your second paragraph is the story of Mossadegh who was toppled and replaced by the Western paid Shah.
Might wanna recheck your knowledge. I'm not sure who your first paragraph refers to
>>73754750
>based
My loyalties don't like with Islamic Iran. I prefer a Westernized Zoroastrian Persia where we don't fuck goats
>>73754765
Theocracies work out so well man you're so right
>>73754907
>still making childish points of argument
The ayatollah barely makes any decisions anymore. He's just a figurehead.
I'm not saying Iran is the best it can be right now but it is a lot better now than it was with the Shah. Your meaningless posts prove to me you have no idea what you're saying and arw just fighting along ideological lines.
>>73754765
>This same communist Australian keeps romanticizing the Ayatollah
Go be an Anti-imperalist and stay in Melbourne minding your own business you dumb faggot
>>73754595
Hey bro, has shit improved since the nuclear deal? I don't usually get into politics when i speak to my family back home. Also has the teriyak problem gotten better or worse? Shit was outnof control last time i visited.
Is Iran a Zoroastrian imageboard of peace co-opted by Muslims and is it your duty to remind them once a day of their roots?
>>73755051
You are such a bitch. I hope you get nuked when he fires the first missile for muh Islam
>>73754765
I'm not gonna argue with a forigner about this shit,fuck off m8
>>73754847
nah,is is name dariush funeral or something?
>>73754873
I agree anon. I don't want an Islamic Iran either but I know that an Iran that is a bitch to the West will lose its sovereignty and borders in favour of Israel.
You're much better now with the ayatollah and Russia because at least you have a country. Every middle eastern country not cucked by America and Israel loves Iran
>>73755098
not much but things are way better then was under ahmadinejad
>>73755111
Muslims are the ultimate degenerates
They all fuck their cousins and shit on each others chests but god forbid you are gay then they hang you
>>73754595
When will Iran annex the middle east?
>>73755111
Iran is a Muslim country. With our Arab brothers we will stand strong against those who threaten to oppress us and our religion.
>>73751756
"go get yer fuckin shinebox" - phil leotardo
>>73755165
It's because you have nothing to say you useful idiot.
Luckily western cucks like you are a minority
>>73755165
No his trip is 'FearlessIranianFromHell' or something like that. Haven't seen him in a while though.
>>73755051
Doesnt matter if iran was being controled by the west back then, so were a lot of other countries. That western influence would've translated into a healthier culture, more freedom and a healthier gloval economy in modern times. All we have now are hijabs, corrupt banks and segregated swimming pools.
>>73755274
Anything east of Iran from Afghanistan to China and from north to Russia dosen't worth annexing
>>73755277
What's it like to worship a pedophile? Just curious
>>73755392
>That western influence would've translated into a healthier culture, more freedom and a healthier gloval economy in modern times
>he genuinely believes this
Guess who would be taking in all those refugees. Sorry but you will always be second to Israel and because you share the same region you will be intentionally neutered because the Israelis are paranoid that you will one day contest them
>>73751756
Obviously any nationally minded regime is better than a currept puppet for foreign oil interests.
>>73755490
Achaemenid Empire soon
>>73751756
Neither, Mosaddegh was the best option but brits got greedy.
>>73755356
I got planty,but to bad i'm playing siege otherwise i roasted you senpai
>>73755392
>western influence
>healthier culture
Top fucking Kek. Because your women are so much more modest and less degenerate than ours right?
>>73755512
We worship Allah, not his prophet. That's something Christfags do
>>73753278
I know an Iranian guy (he's an asshole) whose dad was a commie and got tortured by the Islamists. He came here to one of Europe's most socialist countries and became an entrepeneur...
>>73755538
>
Guess who would be taking in all those refugees. Sorry but you will always be second to Israel and because you share the same region you will be intentionally neutered because the Israelis are paranoid that you will one day contest them
Seems ok to me
>>73755538
Bitch ass faggot. You do realize Iran is a shithole? Stop talking about refugees like they're even relevant. Stupid Aussie doesn't even have the decency to reply. They're building nukes and you talk about the shah being a puppet? Fuck off. Go look at pics of Iran in the 70s and compare them to today, post-revolution. Hang yourself and die you worthless trash
>>73755735
I'm pretty sure Muhammad has a place of significant reverence, even if you don't think it constitutes as "worship". You have honorifics specifically for him, after all.
>>73754746
I took the time to best illustrate all your splendor in one masterpiece. I hope you enjoy, cupcake.
>>73755948
>So bootyblasted he drew a little picture for me
I'm flattered
>>73755904
Because your posts don't deserve replies.
>everyone can have nukes but muh evil Iran!
They're literally the only ones protecting Christians in other middle eastern countries. But you're no Christian or white American. You have another agenda or painfully brainwashed.
>>73755857
Tell him I said "kiram to kose nanat"
So how long will it take for Iran to westernize enough to not want to destroy me again?
It used to be a pretty nice place overall, or at least didn't seem as controlled by fundamentalist Islamic crazies.
>>73755891
And you've proven why you have no idea what you're talking about. Even though you live in Iran you know jack shit about it. Keep playing your video games and come back when you've matured
>>73756170
Cheghad kooni hastee
>>73756339
نه به اندازه یک ایرانی امریکایی
(^:
>>73756053
You must enjoy projecting your superiority onto other people. How well do you do in real life?
>>73756090
Again, go look at pics of Iran before it became a caliphate. I'm sorry but you're either brainwashed or a complete idiot. Either way, I fucking hate you and your irrelevant country
>>73756241
We are now kissing russians ass,fucking islamic republic turned this country back into stone age few years ago,we fucking traded stuff with stuff like before the money invented,fuck off faggot
The Shah was totally red pilled on the kikes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTxfH6tnww
>>73755735
Yes actually, they are. At least in public, but get them naked and they will fuck your dick off. Halal in the streets, haram in the sheets as thy say.
>>73755538
Yeah that's okay, we didn't give out free money to people for simply existing like a bunch of cucks, Straya. Any refugees let in either work and integrate due to societal pressures or fuck off to some backwater hicktown that nobody cares about.
>>73756538
You just can't grasp basic history. MOSSADEGH was literally elected by his people until the West led a coup against him and put the Shah in his place. How is this good by any stretch of the word?
>but they gave us nice western clothes and scholarships!
>look at these photos that are overtly western propaganda! We so happy!
You're too dumb to realise that short term perks do not outweigh the long term destruction of Iran as I've said twice now.
>>73756090
You fucking lost this debate, kiddo.
>>73756930
Because, IT'S A MONARCHY, and guess what? Some countries need a monarchy, like, um... Your piece of shit country?
>>73756931
Jumped the gun 'kiddo'
>a contender in a debate calling the win and loss conditions
Get fucked. You're a literal kid, I am now convinced. Get back to me when your argument amounts to more than a sentence or "see muh picture!"
>>73757106
>Its another forginers knows more about your country more than you episode
>>73757106
I guess you're too much a faggot. Oh well. Enjoy being britains bitch.
>>>>73757027
>monarchy imposed by the West
>who cares if they overturned our literally elected representative because he reflected the will of the Iranian people!
You are literally fucking retarded.
>>73757268
He surprisingly displayed more knowledge than both of you desu senpai
>>73757106
Besides,can you name one good university or studium or anything made by current regime faggot?No?stfu
>>73757358
But can he answer this?
>>73757392
Or can he name one major industry started by current regime?
>>73756450
ari
>>73757499
You should read up on your country's history.
Here's a start for idiots: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_Iran
>.
After the Iran–Iraq War, some new universities were founded and doctoral programs were developed in the previous universities. The number of university students is now more than six times as many as in 1979 (when Shah was overthrown), so that critics debate whether the national entrance exam is useful anymore or not.
Also, just because the Shah built western universities doesn't necessarily mean they were good. It was just an extension of his role to brainwash Iran into a western puppet.
>>73757610
Doesn't Sepah own like your entire country's economy at this point?
I suppose all those missile development industries could count.
>>73757271
Nah m8. I like how all this progress and modernization came under the Shah, and then the ayatollah came and fucked it all up, and you have the gall to say that the Shah was the evil one. Just, please remove yourself from this universe.
>>73757610
why are you so nuke hungry? why not buy one from pakistan? Apparently they sold nukes off to saudi arabia, libya, and north korea
>>73753117
Nice proxy. You can't be in iran and somehow post on this website unless you bought a 4chan pass or something.
>>73757821
They got major parts of it
I'm not saying the Ayatollah was good for Iran but the Shah wasn't. He was a US-controlled puppet.
>>73757996
This is what I've been saying but they can't comprehend it. The ayatollah is still better than the Shah but he is no Mossadegh
>>73757996
Are all Aussies just butt hurt that they're not as awesome as America? We get it,
>Muh American puppet!!!
How the hell are you guys doing somewhat well economically
>>73758164
Because we aren't brainwashed retards like you burgerboy
>>73753767
Fuck off.
>>73754873
Nice meme. Zoroastrians are dead. The only religions that really exist for the most part in Iran are christianity and Islam.
>>73755512
We don't worship a pedophile. It's pretty damn obvious even if Aisha was 9, she didn't have sex with Mohammad (peace be upon him) because 9 is the age where girls start being able to have kids and birth control didn't exist at the time.
>>73755705
Why is the Jew the one who's smarter than shah cock sucker? I mean he's not even going for Ayatollah but at least he isn't pro shah.
>>73756538
>MUH HIJAB the post
That's all you fags bitch about. There are more educated women in iran now then there were back then. I don't believe completely in hijab but there are better things to complain about.
>>73758208
Not an argument. You're evil, saying the shah was bad when he brought so much progress to a country. You must be pure evil.
>>73758305
That was not the point of the picture, you DUMB FUCK
>>73757830
You realise that Mossadegh had plans for modernisation that were much better than the Shah but your country and Britain came and fucked him up, right? And they put the Shah in his place who was pretty much giving the nations oil away. Hmm now I wonder why they would do that
What Iran really needed was this guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Kabir
A shame he only lasted 3 years until he was killed.
>>73758307
>apparently using loaded terms like evil with no evidence is an argument
>calling others butthurt is an argument
>turns sanctimonious when the same is flipped on him
You must be Jewish
>>73757996
Right
>>73758120
Wrong
>>73758511
Yes and you've been given countless opportunities to prove yourself and you either:
1) make excuses as to why you won't
2) keep repeating the same lines with no explanation or evidence
3) get blown the fuck out when you test my argument with misinformed conjecture and then you turn silent
Get back to your video game. This debate is over
>>73758478
My evidence is that you both advocate theocratic dictatorship over a monarch who helped the country so much. I also am saying you're evil because we had hostages taken due to the ayatollah, which hurt our image as a country.
>>73758402
Thats true
>>73758699
Fuck off,just google amir kokabi to see what i meant
>>73758402
Pretty shitty guy who wiped out an entire movement of people who were bringing about a reasonable reformation for Islam. The Babi's and their successors the Bahai's are pretty fucking based. Essentially, they're Muslims without the retardation, with equality for women, and they're generally bretty peaceful.
The hilarious part is that the ones who survived were exiled to Israel and are now blamed for being spies for the Jews.
>>73758699
>Ayatollah was better
maybe for americans,but not for us
>>73758888
Khomeini baraye bishtare mardom kheili behtar bood. Zamane shah bishtare keshvar viran bood.
Akhunda ashghalan vali baraye mardom behtar as shahan.
>>73758699
Rethink your life you fucktard
>>73758863
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith#Teachings
>Unity of Humanity
>Unity in Diversity
>Elimination of Prejudice
>New World Order
>Spiritual Solutions to Economic Problems
Sounds like some shitty cuck globalist cult to me, glad it was suppressed.
If Bahaism actually became popular Iran would be Sweden x100.
Also Amir Kabir was based, the guy eliminated the deficit and brilliantly reformed the government within only 3 years, imagine what he would have done in 30.
>>73751756
Regardless, they need to get out of this primitive Arab idea of Islam, do they not understand that Islam was forced upon them? Now they hold onto the stupid religion...
>>73759473
It is basically a shitty globalist religion, but it's vastly superior to Islam(which is also a shitty globalist religion, see the various jihads).
He actually made it possible for the Muslim clerics to fortify their hold on the country.
The Shah was corrupt, but he did see the string of Zionist control near the end (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kySR3fpa5s).
The Ayatollah was the pig to the Shah being a farmer. Promised change, brought with him theocratic rule. I do not support Islamic Republic of Iran, it has not done the people any good (massive brain drain, look at me and other Iranians living abroad). If I had to pick, I'd probably go with Mossadegh, even though he might've lead the nation into some socialist experiment, it would be worth a shot to try to find out what could have been. I am not familiar with his track record, though. Any Iranian who is a nationalist and cuts ties off with Islam.
>>73756170
what mean? I dont really wanna say anything to him though since he's an asshole and I'm afraid I'd break his big Persian nose.
>>73756450
>Americans are gay
>Not europeans
>>73759719
kek we do have big noses. I have a pronounced nose, as I like to call it. Not an asshole, though. Most Iranian youth are, we call them bacheh kakolee, with their retarded haircuts and Armani shirts. Real top-tier fags.
I hear the Shah planned to make Iran like a desert Sweden.
Truly Allah favors iran since he spared them that fate.
>>73753324
Darius>xerxes
>>73759635
Mossadegh wasn't that socialist, he was forced to from a pact with the Tudeh Party(communists) in order to pass basic legislation that was being thwarted at every turn by the Mullahs(who were at the time being supported and funded by both the CIA and MI6).
This gave Churchill and excuse to drag Eisenhower in and get rid of him to protect the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. It's interesting to note that Churchill tried to get Truman to do it earlier, but Truman told him to fuck off. He went on to use the threat of a communist uprising at the height of the red scare to get Eisenhower to go along with it.
>>73759621
>It is basically a shitty globalist religion
Of course, but you don't replace shit with better smelling shit.
>He actually made it possible for the Muslim clerics to fortify their hold on the country
And his death was the only reason the clerics became stronger, you think with his obsession with checks and balances on the government, that he'd let the clerics remain in control?
Wish he wasn't been born during the Qajar era, if he was the advisor to Ismail or Abbas then he could have accomplished a thousand times more.
To be honest Qajars were by far the worst thing that happened to Iran, even worse than Mohammad Reza Pahlavi or the Ayyyyyatollah.
>>73759001
Khomeini was a fucking poo in the loo, he didn't even have the right to rule Iranian soil. Besides, you're telling me a shit skin Islamic fundamentalist was better than an Iranian nationalist? You're on the wrong Sri Lankan knitting forum, pesar
>>73759956
No, I'm saying the Islamic fundamentalists, as shitty as they were and still are, did much more for the public at large than the Shah ever did.
The standard of living in Iran increased massively over their rule, despite the Iran-Iraq War wiping out millions of men.
The average Iranian is far better off under their rule. The diaspora(myself included) includes the wealthy elites that were better off under the monarchy.
>>73754533
>I can refute anything he says so i'll just call him names
ftfy
>>73755277
Literally go fucking kill yourself
I've started to recognize you in these threads and I seriously hope you go die in a fucking fire
If you seriously believe this go back to your precious shitskin country, America is for civilized religions
>>73753324
>taking a movie literally made by a sniveling kike at face value
>>73760242
>mfw the director bases Leonidas on the actual Xerxes
>>73752935
y
Videla > Peron
>>73751756
fuck u usa. you destroyed the iran.
Mohammad Mossadegh is the right choice
>>73758888
are these quads going unchecked?
>>73751756
THE AYATOLLAH OF ROCK N ROLLAH
>>73751756
Both are bad. Shah was Western puppet that needed to be ousted but was quite modern and good for the economy. The Ayatollah is a religious freak
