>1 year into my degree
>realize that I'll be sitting at a desk with numbers and codes flying across my screen for the rest of my life
>breakdown and get into massive depression
I was sold this meme of the video game developer who has fun with his work..until I realize it's anything but that.
Is this why suicide rates are rising? People being sold memes about jobs?
I just finished my first semester of computer science and I fucking hate it. I really don't want to do this for the rest of my life but I have no clue what else I would do that would be somewhat enjoyable + provide a stable income for a family.
>>73751272
Video game development is for faggots and you will be competing with people who give way to much of a shit and are liberal beta males. Do something else. Web development is good.
>>73751272
No because you went for some BS diploma at a local community college/private college. Do you really think you will be working for Steam, EA or Rockstar Games with that diploma. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>73751460
This, do anything but video game development. I've never done it but I know those who have and it sucks the fun out of games forever. You're NOT creating or designing anything as a code grunt. If you really want to make games just do it as a hobby.
I'm glad I majored in electrical engineering though the reality is I ended up in a job that isn't much different than what CS people get. Still it's good to know that I also have hardware options out there and I could always go back and study something that would help for field/power engineering if I don't want a cubicle slave job
>>73751448
Same situation.
Fuck. Why was I born.
>>73751460
Well. I watched these "behind the scenes" for games like God Of War, Mortal Kombat, etc. It looked fun as a hell, and as a kid I always wanted to do that. Now that I'm in computer science, I don't want to touch code anymore.
Web development is still coding. I don't see myself sitting for hours typing code, fixing mistakes, smoothing out code, etc.
I get depressed just talking about it.
>>73751724
I'd consider switching to EE or even mech E if that's more your thing.
you can transfer skills from coding but actually use your hands a bit more and feel more satisfied with actually making something you can touch.
Never mix work with your career.
>>73751631
Yeah. I realized way too late. I'm done for.
>>73751719
Yeah. Fuck me.
What else can I do now? Work at a local grocery shop and get a stable income without spending much money at all?
>>73751724
I was in Web Development and it's just as daunting: you will always work on boring projects unless you are lucky. The deadlines are always so short, you will be working long hours for a yearly income (so your extra hours won't get paid).
I quit and studied aerospace engineering and accepted a job that would have me working the floor rather than working in a office. Best decision of my life.
>>73751719
i actually know a few people that work on an indie game. they had to invest alot of time and money into it. really talented people, i guess its not for everyone.
>>73751809
EE looks even worse than programming.
>>73751867
What does that mean?
>>73751724
>Well. I watched these "behind the scenes" for games like God Of War, Mortal Kombat, etc. It looked fun as a hell, and as a kid I always wanted to do that. Now that I'm in computer science, I don't want to touch code anymore.
Yeah a lot of the people that get into CS get in for those exact reasons. Your case is common. I like coding personally it's like solving a puzzle to me.
If you are only a year in I'd probably switch majors if it's feasible for you.
Getting my degree in CS, I'm a senior
Probably going to go for a graduate program like MBA, or Med School
Software Developers get paid well but my dad was one and I saw the kind of hours he worked. You work when the job is done, not when the work day is over. Most of them bring their work home with them.
Interesting to see so many people here in similar situations. Fuck I wish it was practical to major in something like PoliSci. I would go to the PhD level for that.
>>73751448
>>73751724
What do you specifically hate about it
>>73751272
>I was sold this meme of the video game developer who has fun with his work..until I realize it's anything but that.
PLAYING games is fun... sometimes... game contingent... casualisation exempt
>shoulda read the fine print,
fagget
>>73751272
I'm thinking about getting into law after i finish my finance degree if i can't get a financial planner job.
>>73752043
Good lord.
I'm just going to drop out and work at a local grocery shop or some crap. I'm low maintenance anyway.
>>73752104
Lucky you. God damn it.
I don't know it what else to go.
You could try IT. It's like the 'softer' development and involves dealing with people more. Some people hate it, but honestly it's not that bad and probably has more career security (coding gets outsourced but sysadmin and security stuff never will).
>>73751272
>>73751448
Wow you guys are losers. You don't work for fun, that's a fucking meme. The proliferation of the "self" is a liberal meme. Do the fucking job that will give you enough time and money to pursue the things that you actually enjoy.
How many people have you met actually enjoy their jobs? I'm convinced close to 0. The same fucks who say "I found my dream job I love it!" are the same tards who spend 6 hours of the workday on some social media site slacking off and they barely put any effort into the rest of the day. The only reason why they enjoy it is because it's easy.
This sort of pussyfooting is why whites are losing ground to Sanjay Raja and David Wong whose 1st generation parents beat them until they got As and did their damn work.
Coding is the most satisfying thing in life you fags
>>73751272
Video game development is probably the LEAST fulfilling CS career. You just make what the game designers tell you, you're nothing but a code monkey. You don't get to make your own cool things, which is the best part of being a programmer.
>>73751272
Just wait until a computer can write and debug code better than you. What's your job longevity before it's automated, 5 years? 10?
I grew up in abject poverty in Florida, today I have one of those boring desk jobs that people hate and I love it, it keeps a roof over my head, puts food in my fridge and affords me the luxuries I enjoy today.
>>73752083
Work is for money, career is for advancement.
>>73752183
Political science doesn't sound too bad. I could definitely run a 4th Reich (srs). I have a natural ability to speak and I'm pretty much impenetrable in debate.
>>73752226
The idea of coding as a job.
I started out coding thinking it was fun..thinking "I'll be making my own game soon, that'll be awesome."...then I slowly realized that maybe that wasn't the case and I'd probably be in some office coding something that I have NO INTEREST in. I'm just coding to code basically, rather than actually working on something I want to finish.
>>73751272
>be me
>be architect
>get to take other people's money and tell them what to build with it
>then get to see my creations built stand for the rest of my life and beyond for everyone to be 'mirin
feels gud m8s
>>73752392
t. wageslave
>>73752392
It's been pretty normal through out history (long before "liberalism" as we know it today came along) to get some sort of satisfaction out of your work. But as technology continues to develop we're getting further and further away from natural human labor and just studying to be mindless slaves.
>>73751448
P O L I C E
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C
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I crush degeneracy for a living-- 71k base + education pay at 220/mo + shift differential at 300/mo + OT in my 3rd year. Its my dream job.
>>73752083
Every EE I know does programming 90% of the time except for one of my coworkers who does only hardware.
>turn wrenches on factory machines about 20 hours/week
>just bought a million dollar house with 30% down
lol @ all you computerfags. Enjoy your wretched career that ends with you being replaced by Pajeet before you're 30.
>>73752388
Dealing with more people in what way? What exactly is different?
>>73752392
You're completely right. I was an idiot for believing that and going through with it.
>>73752485
Eh...fuck.
>>73751272
Try being a philosophy major. Is being homeless a job? I may actually seriously prep to be homeless.
>>73752226
Not either of them, but I just finished my second semester and I've been thinking about killing myself lol. I'm awful at math, I got my first D in my life last week in my final.
Not sure what to do.
>>73752392
This
Growing up sucks w
Who he fuck said you'd love your job? Work hard make bank.
Or how about start your own side project / game with some friends and hope to hit it rich.
Fuck check out risk of rain. Those 2 made millions off a game they spent a years worth of free time on. Talent helps too
>>73751272
Try being an artist they are fucking bullied by the whole team. Glad I quit that shit.
>>73752156
If you are good at working efficiently, this isn't a problem. My dad works 100% from home and he only really does about 5-6 hours of solid work a day. He's still months ahead of schedule.
>>73751272
If you wanna make video games, can't you just teach yourself or learn from the internet? I'm not sure why you would wanna go get a degree if you wanna make video games, unless you wanna get a job at ubisoft or some shit. Even then, how fulfilling would it be to work on another person's game but not your own?
Also, my dumb ass brother switched from engineering to computer science. He didn't even do anything with the degree, but if he would of stuck with engineering he could of been making bank at the nuclear plant that's minutes away.
>>73752682
How difficult is it to get in? I'm a 6'1" able bodied white guy who can do 20 pullups, 50+ pushups, and infinite crunches. Suck ass at running though, mainly cause it's boring as shit.
>>73751272
>>>73752561
Do not take CS and software engineering if you want to work in videogames. Stop it now! If you don't enjoy coding, fuck off! I love coding because I have a talent for problem solving and I think outside of the box.
>'thinking' programming a game for months will be as fun as playing a game fresh
>'thinking' this after (surely?) having modded games prior
>'thinking' this despite how quickly most get bored of even playing most games
>>73752711
Senpai, your job will be replaced by Pablo when Hillary gives amnesty to the illegals.
>>73752682
This familia. I fucking love being a cop.
>>73751272
One of the Goldeneye (N64) guys said something along the lines of if you want to continue to enjoy games don't make them.
>>73751272
>go to school for a career
>realize career is work
>oh no, I have to fucking work to make money
>>73751272
>realize my major means I'm just a glorified Google Translate
>Don't care anyway
>>73752812
You can make a lot of money in cs, your brother is just dumb as fuck.
>>73752725
Damn man. Those words really hit me hard. Good lord I'm such a depressing faggot.
Should I just join the Canadian army? With Trudeau as a leader, there's no chance I get killed in combat, right? Or could I just resign right before we're forced to deploy.
>>73752682
LOL... What a wage slave.
Prison guards make $500k + benefits.
>>73751272
Game Development is a shit career to get into for job security.
It's the equivalent of being a seasonal worker and if theirs no games being developed by your studio you're left with chasing work or living off unemployment until work picks up again on the next game.
>>73752392
the problem is that you can't just get something that gives you enough time. your only options are basically
>work 20 hours at mcdonalds
>have enough time but live in poverty
or
>work 55 hours + 24/7 on call on salary
>have enough money but no time
>not becoming an Investor, Real Estate/Bonds/Stocks ect.
Enjoy working for a living
>>73752968
That's OK, I'll be supervising Pablo by then.
>>73752485
That will be the day before the human brain is made obsolete, and probably 30 to 70 years away
>>73753087
And you can earn even more by being a garbage man.
Why waste money and time going to college?
I dropped out of high school and earn $200k as a NYC garbage man.
I also fuck white collar "men's" wives while on my daily garbage collection routine.
>>73753167
>ect.
>etc.
>>73753188
Because I enjoy coding.
>>73751448
>>73751272
Welcome to economics friends. Was in same boat then went to economics. Still work with numbers, data analysis (with only a little bit of programming), but much more intellectually gratifying because it extends into philosophy, politics, etc. all of which I assume you are interested in because you are here.
Think about economics and see if it is something you want to do. You will need at least a masters degree to do anything worthwhile though.
t. Guy with Economics Masters
>>73753167
All of those are high risk. Risk-free investments have shit return these days.
I'd rather make guaranteed $200+k doing stress-free shit.
>>73751272
GEOLOGY
1. go camping every quarter/semester
2. sometimes, multiple times a quarter
3. obscure enough that theres not a lot of people doing it (i graduated with forty in my cohort from cal poly)
4. no niggers because they hate camping
5. very few women because they hate camping
6. get to work outside
7. minerals
8. well rounded education, have to take a good amount of maths, physics, chem, and engineering
9. get to wear a badass hammer
>>73753087
Not where we live and he didn't wanna move out of state I guess. But yeah, he didn't think that through.
>>73751272
I sorta know that feel
>2.5 years into my EE degree
>Get meh grades on gen ed classes
>Doing great in all engineering classes
>Until they hit me with an administration fuck up where they said I owed the school 4000$ (Then later on 2000$ more)
>Had to keep going from one office to another every week just to even start figuring out the problem or where they came up with such a large number
>Sent one whole semester into a tailspin with straight D's across the board
>Academic probation
>Told that I won't get any financial aid and would have to pay completely out of pocket, but all I have to do is get a 2.25 gpa semester grade(One class, get higher than a C)
>Passed it
>Took an entire semester off to pay them
>Paid them off in full last week
>Find out I have to re-enroll after just one semester off
>Then find out because I took the semester off put back on probation again although I took no classes
>And now I was considered continued probation which meant if anything happens next semester I would be academically dismissed(aka permanent record mark)
I asked the administrator how I was suppose to not take a semester off if I owed them money and couldn't register for classes at the time
>"You could have taken out a loan"
54 Credits
Have to transfer to another school
Most schools may only take 30 of my credits
Good game college bureaucrats good game
>Pic related when I realized I wasn't even fine wined and dined yet
>Didn't even take me to Olive Garden first
>>73751719
What sucks about video game development? Do tell.
Not pursuing that career has always kind of depressed me. Im 26, so obviously too late now, but I am curious why you and others say it is so bad. Any examples?
>>73751272
>video game developer degree
>>realize that I'll be sitting at a desk
Yeah a desk at the unemployment office.
>>73751272
Here's what you can do:
Continue your education.
Learn coding, network design, and some graphic design.
Join our team of Memetic Warfare Specialists and fight to destroy cultural marxism through the power of memes.
"Meme magic" or Memetic Warfare is real. Read about memetics and the genesis of the term "meme". Memetic engineering is something the military actively engages in for psychological operations.
>>73751272
goto bed trizz
>>73751448
If you hated your first semester of computer science you don't belong in intellectual society. You are the reason the peasantry was established: people of your mental infliction should be banished to remote geographic regions to toil for the betterment of their superiors.
Either that or you had a shitty teacher.
>>73752888
Varies by department. Most of the decently sized cities here in Texas are waaaaayy understaffed [400 short of authorized strength here] and standards are very lax. My department uses a rowing test, at 6 foot 185lbs you have to do 2000m in 9 minutes, which is a joke. As long as you're not a felon, wifebeater, drug user, high school dropout, or drunk driver then you're pretty much guaranteed accepted to academy. You'll get run like hell and have to memorize a bunch of stuff but if you aren't a complete retard it's not that had.
Academy is paid, 8 months at 3.3k per month. First year officers are base 57k and not allowed to work OT, but salary increases fast the first 3 years.
>>73753188
Also, you guy are overpaid. Feel like I'm getting fucked by the city.
>>73753097
Not sure why. He'll likely gut the army to pay for the refugees. After all, the army would never be used by his government. it would just be preparing for being jobless. Unless you can learn a trade there, but frankly I'm not sure what trade there is in Canada.
Whatever, who cares. Nobody seems to.
Is Economics a good degree to get? I think it's really interesting. What about accounting and make some big bucks?
>>73753247
>/out/ 137
these are the people who will literally tell you to spend 150 dollars on a pair of pants but dont spend over 10 for a fucking fixed blade
>>73751448
>computer science
>fucking hate it
This is anti-STEM (Jewish) bait.
Don't fall for it.
>>73752740
math is the only thing holding me back too. I passed a few programming classes already thanks to google but I have zero interest in programming when it comes down to it
I like the concept but actually doing it is different
now I just need a basic math class for my associates and i'm too fuckin lazy to study so taking pointless filler classes
>>73753372
Not in it, but from people in the industry it's a packed field with grueling hours for months on end, if you're very lucky and get hired by a major studio. Otherwise, the pay is awful and you'll have to end up doing some other shit related to modeling/programming.
>>73753480
consider gis
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>>73751272
Be an entrepreneur and make your own shit. You're in charge of your own happiness.
I'm two years into my bullshit political science degree, trying to be a journalist. I know the odds are against me and I won't develop any practical skills, but I still have high hopes and dreams.
It doesn't matter what bullshit you major in. The people who fail in life are the ones who don't aspire to do anything but sit in a cubicle writing code.
>>73753462
Someone sounds bitter.
You stupid college pricks made fun of me in high school. Now I'm making multiple times your salary while having 90% pension plans after 20 years of work while you have a crappy 401k plan.
I also fuck your wives while I'm on my runs because I have a six pack and large arms from lifting 50+ lb trash all day while you college boys have a pot belly and stick arms from sitting in front of a computer all day.
Now STFU and keep paying your taxes.
>>73753336
Why did he take it, if he did like it? Also, other engineering jobs make as much or less than cs. Only a few make more than cs.
>>73753362
Why would most schools only take 30 credits? You should be able to do a full transfer.
>>73753372
I'm talking about being a dev for a big studio. I'd imagine it probably is quite fulfilling to develop your own game
>>73753293
Live with half your income, invest the rest into property, real estate has the quickest highest returns.
I live in a duplex, rent the other half, I don't pay rent and make equity, plan is to refinance and accuire more property to rent and establish a solid cash flow.
>>73753427
I'm in TX and recently thought about going into academy but I'm just not fit for anything that would put me in physical confrontation.
I mean if I was a 6 foot lardroll at least I could use my weight but being a skelly manlet doesn't give me confidence
Obv not the guy you were responding to
>>73753372
>>73753559
Developers are on extraordinarily tight schedules to get a massive amount of work done. The opportunity to put a major game out (that'll make good money, eg. Fallout 4) involves a huge amount of time, and only comes every couple years for good studios.
>>73752797
What do you mean anon? I was thinking about being one.
>>73751272
As a little kid, I've always wanted to study Paleontology. I knew who Cope and Marsh were before I knew how to tie my shoelaces.
I wasted my life on a shitty Finance degree when my real dream was to study Paleontology. Lots of discoveries in new dinosaur species and oil fields (paleontology's expertise) have been made in Argentina since then, I would have found a job in the field just by snapping my fingers. Instead, I want to kill myself.
All because I dismissed Paleontology as a stupid childhood dream. My child-self was way more alpha, smarter, truer and more passionate than my current self.
ALWAYS follow your passion anons.
Stay true.
>>73753581
Buisnessmen are failures
>>73753247
I hate dealing with concrete numbers but I can be very proficient into the philosophy/politics part. As I've said earlier, I could literally run a 4th Reich, I just have no interest to do so.
>>73753313
I don't have advanced sciences/physics/chemistry courses pre-Uni. I can't imagine going back to those after so many years.
>>73753362
Sorry to hear that man.
>>73753588
Why would I be bitter of someone making a fuck ton of money. If you do ride on brother, I'm happy for you. One person success doesn't make me mad but gives me hope that there's a better future. I'm just saying you guys are overpaid, which you are.
>>73753188
>200k
>top salary is 75k plus ot
That's funny didn't know sanitation gave out 80 hour weeks throughout the year. If you're going to lie make it decently realistic
>>73753588
Haha i make way more than you stupid lele keep working monkey
>>73753462
He's a troll, posted some retarded shit about prison guards making 500k. Prison guards are the peasants of law enforcement, even foot patrol shit s on them. Those niggers hardly make 40k in wealthy states and everyone knows that.
>>73752536
This is a big relief. That answers everything. Thank you so much bro, you've turned my whole life around.
>they fell for the computer science/engineering meme
>>73753181
Do you put it out that far? Work that doesn't require physical interaction is the easiest to automate. I don't think you need a full human replacement AI to learn how to program efficiently. You'll need guides to coordinate the software, but one guide could replace dozens of code monkeys given the speed at which a computer would be able to perform.
Paralegals have already been largely replaced. No one needs to go through 500 pages of phone records by hand any more.
How long until radiologists aren't needed to dread medical imaging? In a computer can look at it pixel perfect and run any and all enhancement filters in the blink of an eye are we that far off from computers given a more accurate and complete diagnosis than the human eye?
If you were looking to automate work would you automate jobs that pay $25000 a year, or jobs that pay $100,000 a year? The white color end is coming.
>>73751272
OP bait fuck you
I worked in blue collar jobs my whole life.
Stop your bitching, getting paid to sit and type is amazing 21st century shit, better enjoy it.
>>73753527
What bait? I actually went through it and didn't like it? Where's the anti-STEM Jewish bait in there?
>>73753742
They pick the best of the best anyway, right?
>>73753780
I'd like to follow my passion, but being homeless certainly won't help.
>>73753735
Desu senpai we have literal women pass the fitness stuff in academy, it's not hard. Worst it gets is a five mile run and some emergency carry drills. Our next academy enrolls in March, plenty of time to get /fit/
And no we don't discriminate against manlets in hiring, its literally illegal to.
>>73753862
They really do make around 144K though. Shit is an outrage.
>>73751272
i always laugh when someone has that much shit on their screen
you know they aint doing shit, just letting a bunch of stuff run
>>73753735
Gaining weight is easy as shit dude. I remember the first time I bulked after cutting weight (was always a bit chubby) I put on 10 pounds in like 3 weeks. Obviously a super dirty bulk and I probably put on like 1 pound of muscle, but if your only goal is to not be a skelly then it's easy as pie. Just eat everything in site and PB&J sandwiches are a godsend (500 calories if you lather on the pb and j, 400 for a normal sandwich).
Good luck man. No excuses.
>>73751272
just work with an idea guy who will entertain you daily with their passion and remind you why you wanted to make video games
what i'm trying to say is when can i hire you ;)
>>73751448
If you really hate your science degree, just switch to a economic or marketing degree and apply for a teller job after your graduate. Won't make much money but enough for you survive. After you a year experience try to apply for a internal transfer for a back office post.
>>73753849
You're a fucking idiot.
I spend 4 hours in the morning picking up trash or driving the garbage truck.
After that, we get to fuck around outside as long as we want.
Because we work outdoors, there is no one to supervise us. I can return home or go to your house and fuck your wife then go back into the sanitation office at 11 PM and clock out for 12 hours overtime, and overtime pays 2.5x your hourly wage.
>>73754103
why the fuck are we even paying pensions for government workers? fuck them
>>73753958
if you can make a website, you get paid 160k over here in sf
fuck off jew fag
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sof/5537953521.html
>>73754006
That's true man. I really feel for those who work physically. It's too late to turn my life around and maybe it's even too late to go through with it. I don't know man. I do what I can. Please don't hate me for it.
>>73751272
Degrees don't even matter for most people. If you're going to be a doctor or engineer, then you should probably choose your degree wisely. If you're like 95% of other people, it doesn't matter. Experience will always be valued more than a framed document above your desk.
>>73751272
>Go to school for pre-law
>Don't go to law school because "too many lawyers" meme
>decide on politics
>Don't want to be congressional staff cuck
>Go into private sector
>Get Public Affairs job with decent sized company
>tfw 1/2 job is dealing with the keids and dey programs
Could be worse
>>73753247
>be comp sci major
>take intro to micro econ
>literally wanted to kill myself
It's weird, I think I'm actually OKAY with programming.
>>73754041
>I'd like to follow my passion, but being homeless certainly won't help.
If it is truly your passion, you won't be homeless. At worst you will barely make ends meet in a shitty job, but you'll be doing something you love.
>>73753862
You're a fucking idiot.
>>73754103
Yeah mostly because overtime. I interned for the city bus service once, drivers making 150k+ because they were allowed to work 90 hour weeks baka.
Good work if you can get it desu
>>73754163
post pay stub then
>>73753598
I think engineers at our local nuclear plant make $300k at least, a lot more if you wanted to go to work at the one in Dubai.
As for why he did or did not, I have no clue. I think after a while he found coding soul crushingly boring.
>>73751272
OP: wa wa wa! I have to actually work, put in some effort and not have personal gratification 100 per cent of the time! Why is the world so unkind?
Millenials, everybody.
Whats school do you go to?
>>73754195
>living in fag city, USA
>>73753130
This. EA and Activision regulary buy up small devs. Make em pump out a few shits games, then close their doors
Good examples are.
Activision closing up Bizarre Creations, who happend to go on and make shitty Driveclub
EA enveloped Free Radical, who were the golden age Rareware guys. Turned them into Crytek UK then closed them down
So basically be prepared to bounce around a lot. Thanks to greedy Jew corporations
>>73753247
Dude, I just switched my major yesterday to poli sci (because it's what I truly enjoy) from autism engineering and my goal is to get a master's in econ and work with data. Your post is a godsend
Please, tell me more. What should I be doing during undergrad: internships/volunteer work/jobs to pursue, classes to take? Thanks for any help man.
>>73754357
>fag city, USA
agreed
san jose is better
>>73754388
Drop-out and get a government job.
Garbage men and prison guards make quite a bit.
Easy 200+K.
>>73753780
Damn, we were all alphas when we were kids, weren't we? Fuck.
>>73752392
>You don't work for fun, that's a fucking meme. The proliferation of the "self" is a liberal meme. Do the fucking job that will give you enough time and money to pursue the things that you actually enjoy.
>How many people have you met actually enjoy their jobs? I'm convinced close to 0. The same fucks who say "I found my dream job I love it!" are the same tards who spend 6 hours of the workday on some social media site slacking off and they barely put any effort into the rest of the day. The only reason why they enjoy it is because it's easy.
PRAISE BE TO SAINT NEET!
>>73754150
stop baiting me
fuck I'm literally crying right now good lord I'm such a faggot it's beyond compare
>>73752710
Fucking this. EE = coding more often than not. That being said, EEs can go much lower level that your average CS as they work much closer to the metal. Plus electrodynamics makes your dick strong.
>>73753762
Ps2 era early 360 ps3 incredibly stressful then,
l then cant imagine what it is like now. As an artist people are waiting on your output, riggers special fx etc. When you complete something endless revisions by different departments. Long hours and crunch means you are fit to retire after 1 or 2 games. I'm a pussy tho, I admit it.
>>73751272
I'm a year into a Game Design degree myself.
Stop being such a melodramatic faggot. Coding in first year really isn't even that hard.
>>73754164
Some are paid shit money and some are overpaid. So we give it all the gov workers.
Being a video games developer will actually ruin your ability to enjoy video games
So yeah, your entire life was destroyed by a /v/ meme.
>>73754294
>In fact, Watson was one of five DOC workers who topped the pay charts — although their massive windfalls came from lawsuit payouts recorded as salaries.
They were wardens and those were lawsuit payouts recorded as salary you fucking nigger
>>73751272
Been there. I changed to economy because learning how the world works is fun. I'm not really fond of math but I can put up with it. Besides, knowing my way around computers will be helpful eventually. I guess dealing with data is tedious but I can handle it better than coding. Also proving socialists how they are full of shit is fun. I personally don't know any left-wing economist.
>ME
>courses are either designing shit or a fuckton of math
>enjoy both
>best case I get a pretty good corporate job or startup
>worst case I supervise >>73752711
ITT: Talentless hacks
Real game devs are capable of making an entire game themselves. Design, Code, Art, Music. Anything else and you're just a fucking cog.
Get on my level, bitches.
>>73754602
They are not wardens, you stupid fuck.
They are ordinary correction officers. Read their job title.
>>73752616
>its been pretty normal throughout history
Why are you such a lying faggot?
You think the people constructing aqueducts in rome were having a blast? You think the farmers in Europe were just doing what makes them happy? This is why communism will never work without slave labour.
>>73753336
Your brother is mentally retarded, you don't get a degree to fuck around with, you get one to set an income to make a life for yourself. Unless your parents are wealthy idiots who don't discourage you from getting that liberal arts degree and learning nothing of value from the best and brightest democrat professors in the world.
You can make 6 figures easily and dick around most of the day with a CS degree if you actually make any semblance of an effort. I work 5-6 hours a day on average and I'm getting a fat raise again next month while I'm already making 130k at my 2nd job. No one paying big money is gonna hire your brother if he's an old and no experience noob
>>73753130
>>73754368
Jesus Christ, nothing truly is sacred anymore as an adult. All the charm, creativity and imagination of my childhood is dead. Not even working with video games as a career can provide escape.
>>73753396
Love how this is getting ignored, lol.
Also, just googled Memetic Engineering and look at what I found on the wiki page... (highlighted)
>>73751272
Programming is the greatest craft created by mankind.
>>73754698
>Real game devs are capable of making an entire game themselves.
Indie dev NEET
>>73754163
yes 12 hour consistent days wont raise any flags considering how cash strapped the city has been over the past few years. Please spew your bullshit and insecurity somewhere else.
>>73751272
>WHAA I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING UNPLESENT TO BE PAID.
>>73751272
>Suicide rate rising.
Sauce or it didn't happen.
>>73754472
>Being a white male
>Getting a government job
I KNOW. I KNOW. FUCK YES.
I'll become a priest. I'm from an Christian Orthodox background. I'm 10/10 with philosophy and public speaking. I can pull it off even as a non-believer.
What do I have to do really? Read the bible, know some verses and the story by heart. I'm always surrounded by moral people, knowing that I'm giving them hopes.
>>73752740
What math do you need
(I'm asking because I'm starting cs in a couple months)
>>73754497
you're only one year into it man
i thought i wanted to be an artist, took two semesters of graphic design, and another semester with design
only to realize i really wouldn't want to do this stuff for a job (but still enjoy being creative)
now i'm just kind of lost myself, maybe i'll go into teaching or welding...
just glad these classes were paid with grants
>>73751272
>making such a major life decision without doing any research
You deserve it
>>73754593
>Monaco
Neat
>>73754253
Programming is a job for people who like to make money working ez hours producing actual value at competent companies and cleaning shitty companies dry with their high salaries.
Fuck econ
>>73754734
MSc in Memetic Studies..
Cash in
>>73754805
enough to get a math degree
>>73754804
You'd have to go to seminary school. Have fun with that.
>>73753891
I wasn't the one to post it. I just explained what it meant.
The saying is bs tbhqhwyf
>>73754805
discrete math, some stats. maybe basic calc. Really easy stuff if you arent a nigger.
t. Math/cs major.
>>73751272
I was in engineering but switched into comp sci. I've realized either way they are shit jobs.
Engineers today have sone of the most depressing shit jobs. Contrary to how it's portrayed it's all paper work. The community college (college) fags have all the fun building the stuff.
Canada has some of the worst/lame jobs. Luckily my university is close to the US and are partnered with many US companies.
There are no fun STEM fields. All of the fun careers don't make money. Even Business and law are dead fields without connections.
oldfag here
respect the chair is all i can say
RESPECT the fucking chair you little shits you don't even know
>>73754804
become a truck driver
drive a big rig, when trucks are all automated they'll still need you to sign for check points
>>73754785
http://www.befrienders.org/suicide-statistics
http://time.com/4304621/suicide-rate-cdc-women/
http://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/why-are-rates-suicide-soaring-across-planet
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11965029/Middle-aged-male-suicide-rate-rises-by-40-per-cent-since-2008.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/04/rising-suicide-rates/479475/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html
>>73753106
Lol??? Maybe if they sneak shit in for inmates theyll get that much.
>>73751272
I wast that guy too OP. I wish I had answers for you.
I fell for the electrical engineering meme.
>>73754986
Read >>73754294
>>73751448
Im a computer security major and I finally learned how to appreciate coding...
By avoiding Java and going for python and JS and work my way up.
>>73752711
How do you start out doing that?
>>73754805
Not the guy you asked but my program requires calc 3 along with a stat course and a physics course that I can remember off the top of my head
>>73754949
i'm freaked out by the thread because of all these plebs and i've already been teaching myself this shit off my own back for months. maybe their hearts aren't in it but i'm completely prepared for what's coming.
thanks for the resposne.
>>73754925
>seminary school
Easy stuff. It's like being 8 again.
"Yes, pastor."
"Yes."
Pray.
"Yes."
Pray.
Coding is really comfy imo. Not sure whether it's what I want to do for the rest of my life, but I'll at least make decent money out of college.
Do we have any /pol/ acks who are majoring in teaching?
>>73753247
>tfw /k/ommando
Feels goodman
>tfw drop out of college as soon as I woke up to the college meme
>everyone else will have worthless paper and life long debt for permission to be a wage cuck
>Fell for the CS meme
>$70k at 23 years old
>Not even a programmer
Fucking memes man
>>73751448
The truth is... you follow your dreams. If you want to become a blacksmith, you can ALWAYS make a living out of it. Why? Because from your passion, you will be able to craft some of the best swords we can see. Does it sell? Of fucking course. There is a reason why people still buy high-grade swords for over a grand.
Just to make you feel a little bit better; almost all doctors/surgeons who made it are passionate about their occupation. They WANT to become what they have became since they were merely a kid or a teenager.
Just do what you want to do in life, just don't be a sack of shit. You only become homeless if you literally give up on your dreams.
>tfw majoring in computer engineering and have a genuine passion and interest for the subject
Feels good. Just have one more final tomorrow and I'm done with freshman year. Got a bunch of projects planned for this summer and might be interning for my neighbor's company
>>73754969
Good god, no. Do NOT become a truck driver.
Driving trucks was the worst experience of my life, and I technically wasnt even a truck driver- just an oilfield worker with a CDL who had to drive equipment out to the field. Literally only 5% of the actual job, but easily the worst part about it.
>>73754992
Thinking of doing EE.
Why do you say that? Also how much math is entailed?
>>73753188
Enjoy having your job automated away in a few years. Don't think the overpaid union jackoffs will escape the robots.
>>73755120
Take your autistic works of fiction back to /r9k/, faggot
>>73754734
Richard Dawkins did not come up with the idea of memes, no matter what anybody says. Memetics was a term that was around longer than Dawkins and the idea of cultural contagions were pioneered by early psychologists. It comes, in large part, from the collective consciousness and collective unconscious of Durkheim and Jung, respectively. Those have elements of alchemy and ceremonial black magic folded in, which was passed directly down from ancient Egyptian priesthood through the Hebrews after the Exodus - which is how such practices ended up in Kabbalism and Freemasonry.
Memes are ancient black magic.
>>73755335
I'm already 15 years into my job.
5 more years and I can collect 90% of my max salary every year for the rest of my life.
>>73755231
i'm thinking about changing to it
after university i'd want to slack off a bit in Asia teaching with some distant relative teaching over there you know
and then try to get a job teaching somewhere in the midwest where it's a little calmer but also the most important place to red pill
frankly my best teachers were the ones who tried the least so i don't see teaching as that hard of a job
>>73754542
He didn't say it was hard. He said it was meaningless.
>>73752539
don't fall for the "do what you love" meme. Do something you can tolerate.
your attitude towards work will drastically change by the time you graduate.
>>73755279
Seriously, I fell for the college meme.
Probably never going to finish and I make $70k/yr
>>73753188
How does that start?
>>73751272
>>73751448
Hey guess what I just finished my first year of Software Engineering. Hated it, so guess what? I'm getting a CNC certification then a Welding one, so I can live and attend my community college on a two year transfer plan then stop whining like a bitch and be an adult.
>>73753362
I'd have a fucking anger stroke. I'm sorry man.
>>73753293
>risk-free investments
My cousin has been head programmer for three AAA titles and was a lead programmer for EVE online.
He is 28 years old and makes over 140k annually and drives a fucking 2015 Range Rover and is married to a hot gook.
I would give my left nut for his job.
>>73755400
>collect 90% of my max salary every year for the rest of my life
That's why pensions are close to extinct in this country. It's basically winning the lottery after slacking off for 30 years.
>>73755519
consider something in IT if you love computers but would rather install manage and troubleshoot than actually write code or engineer hardware. seems to be overlooked as an option, but its not a bad job at all.
>>73754713
Ford had to pay double the going rate because people found the work so boring they quit after only a brief time of being there
>>73751448
Nursing.
>>73754388
Sorry. Just saw this.
>What should I be doing during undergrad?
Internships when available. Go to www.usajobs.gov or if you're into private sector look for an internship there.
>Volunteer work
No unless it's for your campus or something. I did a lot of volunteer work for my undergrad and joined clubs which is how I ended up getting my graduate assistenship for my masters. Something to consider. No undergrad debt and completely paid for masters. Of course, grades and GPA should be your #1 focus. I think the average econ undergrad graduates with a 2.9 in America. Don't be that guy. Try to get 3.5 or above and preferably 3.8 or above. I got a 3.8 and that was enough to get my assistentship.
>Jobs to pursue
Probably going to be in some type of data analysis for companies. Literally every company has a team of them. Government stuff is always available as well. Or, if you're an absolute madman, get a PhD and go on to teach at a university. A masters is sufficient to teach at a community college.
Classes to take
The more math-based the better. ECONOMETRICS IS A MUST. More focus on micro, less on macro.
Also, don't do polisci. Please. Don't do it. Just get the economics undergrad and then the masters. It will help you get into a better school and better prepare you for the economics masters.
I'll be here for a bit if you have more questions.
>>73755231
Don't do it unless you're a pedo and want to teach elementary. If youre going to do middle or high school major in your subject and get an alternative certificate from community college after you graduate. You'll have a much deeper subject knowledge and putting together your lesson plans will be easier. You also might actually learn something in college instead of doing HS-tier projects for 4 years.
>t. middle school English teacher/librarian's husband
>>73751272
>I like playing video games, that must mean making them is awesome!
Glad I didn't fall for the trap of trying to make my hobby a career and then end up hating both.
>>73755590
>lead programmer for EVE online.
Was he responsible for the nano nerf? If so tell him I said "fuck you".
>>73752392
This is the truth.
>>73754713
>You think the people constructing aqueducts in rome were having a blast
Well if they weren't they were a bunch of fags.
>>73752562
Fucking NEET piece of shit.
>>73755313
All of it, calculus I,II,III enough to get a math degree.
>>73751272
>>73751448
>Studying memeputer sciences
It's your fucking fault you plebs. Throwing numbers around in a pc shouldn't ever be considered a proper science field, that place is reserved for stuff like Biology, Chemistry, Pharmacology, Physics, Medicine where you are actually investigating and developing the knowledge in your field.
>>73752740
Become a hero bro.
>>73752740
What class?
>>73753634
Not CUNY man
Some CUNY schools are alright but NEVER go to NYCCT.
Its a fucking trap and a meme school. Its not even a fun atmosphere for how much they screw the students over
>During finals they were giving out cookies and coffee
>I got a coffee and took 4 cookies
>walk 2 feet then one of the student government guys spots me
>"your not suppose to take four only two"
>Tell him I already touched it and started eating one
>Kid grabs a pair of tongs and takes 2 back and puts it back on the plate for public consumption in front of everyone
>>73753790
I'll basically be starting over in a new school. 3 years of studying and paying them money right down the drain.
And believe it or not I found out if I ever enrolled at that school again even with another degree and higher gpa I would start back at my old gpa, and be on academic probation again.
But anything is better than having a Academic dismissal on my transcript. Something even the military will look sideways at
>>73755811
> was he responsible for
Programmers dont make important calls like needing something you autistic fuck. Development does.
>>73754972
Thanks, desu.
>>73755803
This. I actually didn't go this far, I just played some assfaggots competitively for about half a year. Made some reasonable cash, then I realized I despised everything about it.
Currently doing an English major. 100% retarded decision but I enjoy it.
![Chris-McCandless-008[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xhGI6nV.jpg "Chris-McCandless-008[1].jpg")
Was he right?
It seems to me that nobody knows what's what here.
>that's a meme
>this is a meme
>Everything is a fucking meme!
Can we have a clear conclusion that life is shit but it's the only we have. So the question is, how do we make the best of it. I'm pretty sure I won't find answers here but, just something to ponder.
>>73755786
>tfw poli sci dreams are crushed
I can't thank you enough though man, thanks so much
>>73756174
That movie was convoluted and he is dead.
So apparently not.
>>73756017
Dying haaaaaa
>>73755644
>Suggesting I commit suicide
I did IT for my mom, that's as far as I want to go.
>>73756174
No, he was retarded and couldn't identify poisonous plants.
>>73755590
>was a lead programmer for EVE online.
>He is 28 years old
calling bullshit
Coding is legit one of the most boring and thankless careers in the world. They're usually salaried positions that require you to be at the office 60-80 hours a week.
It's also got HORRIBLE ageism. As soon as you turn 35 you're going to start having trouble getting hired because you'll be considered "too old" to be innovative or work the ridiculous hours that are required.
>>73756306
kek
>>73756206
Best advice I can give you wrt college and career choices is to ignore everyone's advice.
The problem is people are exposed to many things throughout their life but nothing in the common site takes hold of their motivation.
This is including anything in the arts.
Eventually they get to the point where they are "Expected" to go to college and get a great career. Later they realize they are working some shitty job doing the same shit over and over again for years and become depressed.
>>73756243
Nothing wrong with polisci man. But in terms of "value" polisci = coffee shop. Economics has much better prospects and is literally the king of the soft/social science because of the mathematics and data to help back it up.
Let me give you a beacon of hope though. There are classes like development of economic thoght where you can discuss things like what Adam Smith though, versus what Karl Marx though and actually read Das Kapital for example. Or in macro you'll learn about Keynes vs Freidman philosophies, etc.
I literally feel like polisci is built into economics and you'll get the best of both just by doing economics. Or just pick topics that interest you in economics. For example in my econometrics undergrad I did data analysis of what types of voters vote for certain political parties in the UK. There are ways to combine them, just be creative but you will thank me when you have an econ undergrad and not a polisci.
Polisci won't get you shit irl. Always pursue higher education though (for free if you can).
>>73756017
I would have slipped that bitches tongs away and walked off. What's he going to do? Tackle you over some fucking cookies? Lol'd.
>>73756593
thought* whatever
>>73754163
this is a liar.
if not, this is a parasite.
>>73756174
Died from AIDS plants
lmao
>>73756459
What's the solution?
>>73756593
All right, will do
Motha fucken learn a trade and go indie bro.
>>73751272
Just open up a patreon and make shitty porn games. It wokred for these guys
https://www.patreon.com/user?u=108351&ty=h
>>73756392
>being a codemonkey after 35
>>73752156
If you're shooting for med school you got to get your shit together.
MCAT
Volunteering hours
Clinical experience
Shadowing (optional)
Research (optional)
Letters of rec.
etc.
How about being a doctor? Any hope in that field where I wont want to kill myself.
>>73751272
why don't you code for fun then? make your own fucking projects dont work for anybody make a website, become the next facebook, the next twitter the next uber or even the next google the internet is infinite
>>73755486
>don't fall for the "do what you love" meme.
I think it has it's place. I'm a major introvert and could never handle any place with more than a few people, so I just decided to pack my shit up and tour around Australia.
I eventually found a nice country town, moved in with a few ex-army guys, and just decided to begin doing odd jobs and shit that interested me. I fix cars, mess around with computers, stargaze and participate in amateur astronomy and other shit like that.
I'm happy with my life even though most people would consider me a failure for not tying myself down and shackling myself to an office.
But as for shit like "get a loan of a few hundred thousand dollars and start a video game company in a major city with extreme living costs", yeah, be smart about what you do.
>>73756851
lmao if you're on the brink of suicide don't be a doctor. It's harder.
>>73751272
dude work is just for money
nobody likes their job
just make money and pursue interests outside of work
i heard a nice thing about depression the other day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwmHrUlfmHU
starting at 54:45
>>73752392
I know a Vet Tech who enjoys her job. She gets along with her coworkers, gets to hang out with cute animals, etc. Only downsides are putting the animals to sleep which you get used to doing and it doesn't pay as well as a vet. But it's apparently a comfy job.
>>73751272
Why develop videogames?
Run Linux, write C, read Perl.
Do these for long enough and you can be a sysadmin or other type of developer.
>>73751272
I just graduated with a CS degree. I was lazy in school and did basically the absolute minimum to pass. Got a job as a fullstack developer making a modest 62k.
Don't go into games. It's probably the worst industry for coders. They're on crunch 365 days a year.
If you work for a good company that follows an actual design process, you'll probably only be coding 50% of the time. It's not staring at code all day every day.
I do data entry in finance right now.....seeing what people earn is actually pretty fucking disappointing compared to how many hours they put it.
To make lots of money and work regular hours you basically need to own something that is successful....or do sales.
I see high-grade level microsoft, amazon, google, etc. client data all the time, and they earn into the 250-275k range for salary and always have bonus, and various equity comp. With the exception of a highly bureaucratic company like boeing these people work like 60 hours per week or more. They work at the office then go home and work more....you rarely see people retiring from amazon or msft or similar big tech companies with good pay after age 58 or 60...people just get burned out as fuck in their early to mid 50s in many of the software jobs that I see.
All of our customers are financial advisors and what they earn compared to the amount of hours they work is crazy compared to executive level comp employees at big companies.
Small business can be pretty badass, but most are very poorly run and full of nepotism and inefficiency....once the boss gets comfortable the environment gets pretty stagnant and shitty for employees.
>>73756851
If you don't what to kill yourself during med school, you will want to kill yourself during residency when you make half of what your classmates in highschool make while working almost twice the hours. And if that doesn't make you want to kill yourself, wait until you deal with insurance companies for ordering tests.
>>73753362
>people wonder why school shootings occur
>>73756701
>What's the solution?
Exposure to things not in the common site. Usually jobs in fields that people dont know exist but have potential to catch their motivation.
Fisherman is a good example.
will I make it as a musician bros or should I just start working at a studio? how do I go about working in a studio any engineer fags in?
>>73751272
The only coding i really do is G/M-code
>be me
>be at mcgll
>fucking physiology major
>i fucking hate it
>med school meme
>shit gpa
>need 2.75 to get into M.Ing
>wanna get into M.Ing for BIOMED
>need 11 more Bs on my transcript
>working on coding projects
>working on website
>working on dude weed lmao
>working on paper
>working on coding projects
>>73757130
>Fishing
>Motivating
Lmbo.
Enjoy living on a fucking boat with 5 otheir guys for the rest of your life, and drinking yourself to death during the off season.
>>73756623
>>73756272
And this was a 4 year school. Its like the couldn't even afford fucking cookies for every one.
Where could the money possibly have gone?
Obviously not to a competent administrative staff.
Colleges are literally turning into 4 year job training pyramid schemes now. Any halfway decent job in my area requires a degree.
Saw a data entry job posting for 12/hr that requires a degree. Some of these job listings don't even say what degree just a degree
>Born to late to get a job with just a HS diploma
>Born to early for the futures of automation
>Born just in time to pay out the ass to go to college and be an eternal manchild with three figure debt
>>73755523
>webm related
Just put me to sleep man
You get what you want out of it senpai
I have two shitty degrees, a BA and MA, in political science-- a known pseudoscience. And I still have a decent plan to do what I love.
If I don't get into my top 3 law schools I'll take a job as an intelligence analyst in the intel agencies. Find something you can see yourself lasting in, and hopefully contributing to, and take the necessary means to pursue it. With a comp sci background you've already opened up a lot of doors in that respect.
Interpersonal and language skills are probably what I'd want to hone first and foremost if I were you.
