https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Pd527GN48
>hurr we want war
Do you feel like a hero yet?
Ah yes, le 'cherrypick bad parts of war and present it as representative of the whole'
It's like taking pictures of Detroit and saying that's representative of all of America.
>>73733390
>cherrypick bad parts of war
>bad parts of war
no need to cherrypick. retard tripfag
>>73732993
War might be our only option.
>>73733633
>our
who? for what? is the USA being invaded? nope. fix your kike'd government first
>>73733536
Look at the mortality rate in WW1. Come back when you do.
Speak for yourself, I don wan no trabble
https://youtu.be/r-bA9FYB8HY
>There are the Brits, Hans!
>>73732993
War is a good thing, war weeds out the weak and rewards the strong, protracted periods without war produce a low calibre society with weak bodies and weak dispositions. War is also effective population control.
If it wasn't for the nuclear bomb stopping us from going through our natural cycle of war the world would be a better place.
>>73733838
What's it like being Germany and France's fucktoy?
>>73733994
0% of all 4chan would survive it. just kill yourselves then
>>73734062
>comes to 4 chan to post
>tells 4chan users to kill themselves
Why even come here? You don't see me on tumblr.
>>73732993
I dont want this pussy ass war style.
I want men to fight up close with sword and shield. I want to see my opponents face as I ram my sword through him, I want to hear his cries as I take his life, I want to smell his fear and blood as he spills to the ground.
I was born in the wrong time period.
>>73733994
WW2 killed the best that the German gene pool had to offer. That's probably why they're all cucks now.
>>73732993
there is nothing wrong with war...its quite fun to kill muslims
>>73734306
>I was born in the wrong time period.
yes, you should have been born earlier, so you weak, shitposting ass would have been killed off soon
>>73734141
>tripfag
>is fag
wow who would have fucking guessed
>>73734400
this. the brave and strong go to war, and die. Women and weaklings are left to ruin the gene pool.
>>73734062
You think I give a fuck about that? Patriotism is literally an alien idea to you cucks.
>>73734306
Soldiers these days, they cry because they may or may not have shot some fucking raghead from 500 yards away and they're 'traumatised'
Fuck that, our ancestors tore each other apart with sharp bits of fucking metal
They weren't traumatised, they were men.
>not wanting to experience hell
kys OP
That video is pretty much the first world war summed up during its peak on the western front and pretty much the entire eastern.
But of course here come the inevitable
>World War One wasn't even bad XD
>I could do it right now!!! Piece of cake
>>73734497
>Patriotism
lol ok mate. go to the nearest KFC and try to pick a fight with niggers to "fix your cucktry"
>>73733994
War destroyed Europe by killing off a huge chunk of its best and bravest men, not to mention erasing a considerable amount of its great art and architecture. The warrior's struggle is all well and good but the practical and material consequences need to be taken into account.
I respect the viewpoints of people like de maistre but right wing/ reactionary/ traditionalist movements must come to terms with the fact that glorification of war has and well be their undoing.
>>73734596
>But of course here come the inevitable
>>World War One wasn't even bad XD
>>I could do it right now!!! Piece of cake
indeed, pol is full of roleplaying faggots who think their fantasies and the fiction they watch and read are reality
>>73733390
idk man, go talk to some vets who been to war and seen death, destruction, etc.
many come back traumatized or with a host of psychiatric disorders. it isn't like the movies.
>>73733779
Not sure what your point is. France lost around half its young male population in World War One, in World War Two the Soviet Union lost something like twenty million people, mostly civilians. That isn't a good thing.
>>73734400
>>73734492
>all men that go to war die
A FUCKING LEAF
>>73734622
Fucking this for FUCK sake.
right wing/ reactionary/ traditionalist governments ALWAYS start their downfall through war and their horrendous losses compared to democratic nations.
I pray for a race war everyday. There's nothing that could be so horrific and tragic as the islamic conquest of Europe.
>>73733779
Every French family lost members during WW1. It was a fucking disaster
>>73734823
>I have lived a pampered life and underestimate war because I can't even fathom the severity of war
I hope something happens to you to knock your awake, back to reality
>>73734622
When we talk about war, we talk about it in the traditional sense, WW2 was, by no means, a traditional war, and modern warfare simply doesn;t work with these viewpoints.
Frankly, I think, in the modern day, war should be avoided at all costs. In this day and age the war is against ideas, rather than nations.
>>73734497
>>73734306
Watch out, we got some badasses aver here
>>73734985
>>73734854
>france being a pussy
Hmmmm.... Where have I seen this before?
>>73733390
>was a Savoyard philosopher, writer, lawyer, and diplomat
So just like /pol/, someone who didn't know shit about what he's talking.
>>73732993
This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence.War is god
>Dude war is needed! xD
>Just look at the REAL figures of ww1 I mean it wasn't even that bad
>Every single French family hit by either death or scaring for life
>Being gassed while trying to fumble around to find your gas mask is an honorable death, and I guess you were too weak to foresee this!
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3125088/Inside-toxic-grave-longest-battle-history-French-forest-300-000-died-300-days-Battle-Verdun-littered-bodies-arsenic-unexploded-shells-grows-100-years.html
>>73734950
I hope you get raped by a pack of muslims
>>73734985
>/pol/ thread about war
>France pre-empitvely surrenders
poetry
>>73735118
>>73735202
>paki on damage control
here's your (You)
>>73735062
My ancestors are smiling at me burger. Can you say the same ?
I feel nothing. Am I better yet?
>>73735245
>Scared of war
>calls me a paki
lmao you probably fled to holland becuase you were to pussy to fight in Syria. That would explain why you're shitting yourself about war
>>73735305
Your ancestors are french, I doubt they're smiling.
>>73735202
Pretty ironic coming from a Britbong. Your military is the biggest joke in Europe after the German one
>>73735403
you'll receive your complementary fedora soon
>>73735425
pakis like you are savages who love war
>>73735526
kek make fun of us for whatever you want but our military spending is above yours, and russias, and indias even.
>>73735663
>spending is quality
>if something costs more, it is better
so you're not only a paki, but also underaged
>>73735549
You're literally pissing yourself about war, you'd rather pakis invaded and made your their fuck toy than fight back. You're literally the stereotype of a cucked yuropoor, good job.
>>73735663
Yeah but military spending means shit.
>>73735764
>still trying hide the fact that he's a paki muslim war lover
you and ISIS and Al-Qaeda have a lot in common. join them so you can die by drone stikes.
>>73734973
>Frankly, I think, in the modern day, war should be avoided at all costs. In this day and age the war is against ideas, rather than nations.
Also agreed, although unfortunately many right wing movements are still stuck in the past. It's a very toxic paradox in fascist thought that the Hero is at once the most valued and most expendable individual.
>>73735663
Sure, it costs a lot to be American's little bitch. You don't even have a real aircraft carrier
>>73735851
You just reply to everytthing with paki, I think achmed doth protest too much.
>>73732993
That music reminds me of Kraftwerks Vom Himmel Hoch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMQfSN3vLzI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr7cqHlzQVU
>>73735764
Everybody should fight for his country, it's still not a reason to enjoy it. Pay some respect Muhammed
>>73735913
>ignoring my post
you and ISIS and Al-Qaeda have a lot in common. join them so you can die by drone stikes.
>>73735883
I'd rather be americas bitch than europes, they have trump. You have fucking jean claude junker. Easy decision.
>>73735978
>claims to be nationalist / patriot
>is okay with being another country's cuck toy
your ruse is found out
>>73735958
If you don't take pleasure in protecting your land or your people, why even bother fighting? Might aswell just join that cucked dutch guy in cowards prison
>>73735978
>implying our military fight for Europe
We fight for ourselves in Africa. When was the last time your military fought for UK's interests ?
>>73736112
if you enjoy war. fly to syria and fight "to defend europe". Most ISIS members are from UK anyway
>>73736176
When we saved you from becoming part of Germany after you surrendered to them?
>>73733390
>tripfag
yes, let's ask mr aristocrat what he thinks of something he's never participated in
How nice, to sit back and pontificate upon the divinity of war, and be so assblastedly retarded that you can't see what a perversion of individual combat (which is the law of nature,) that war is.
All tripfags are retarded, but you are like the wet shit a fatass american squeezes out in Walmart when they're "too busy" to use the toilet.
>>73736281
>we
oh, you were there? you were part of the group that did things?
>I'll take credit for something other people did because they came out of a vagina on the same piece of land I came out of a vagina on
>>73736112
>If you don't take pleasure in protecting your land
You can have pride, respect, you can feel accomplished when you defend your country. But enjoying killing people is not healthy
>>73736328
Nah the worst tripfag to ever grace this site was the "WE WUZ KINGZ" canadian that just spewed autism for 500 posts whenever someone mentioned egypt. Glad that cunt's gone
OP is fucking right, you guys can't even imagine what WW1 was like. You wouldn't spend one single hour there without being traumatized for a long time. Bombs, corpses, rats, gas. Each day, 2000 deaths and 100.000 shot shells for the French side alone.
The kind of war we expect against the niggers may be an easier, urban, safer war, with less deadly means, but it's something you don't want to be thrown in without knowing the consequences.
>>73732993
Do you know what the background music was for that video? I only ask because I think it would be good for my
niece's B-day party. It's a human centipede themes party. Thanks.
>>73736480
it's called "Boku no pico"
>>73736281
It's not 1944 anymore. Back in the days you were a respected army. Not today
>>73732993
The only people who want war are edgy 12 year old faggots
>>73736585
yup, pampered children who have never had any real hardships
>>73733779
>le mortality rate
look at the mortality rate in WW2, when the military-industrial complex actually had its' shit together and wasn't playing my first attempt at technology
What's your point, anyway? Ever heard of debilitating injuries, PTSD, or the like? You go sign up for the marines if you're so hardcore, faggot. You've gotta be the stupidest tripfag to ever post on this site.
>inb4 tripfag posts yet another gif of some retarded aristocrat who knows nothing of what he's yammering on about
>>73736448
The french resistance didn't cry and see their psychiatrist after they killed nazis, they liked killing nazis, because nazis, to them, were evil.
>>73736536
There are only a few armies in the world that are actually decent, America, Russia, Turkey, UK, China. Most armies are actually pretty shit, undermanned or laking technology. UK army is small, but highly specialised.
>>73734445
I'd rather have a chance to pit my skills against someone else's skills rather then have a bomb from a plain drop on me and take me out.
I know they had catapults in mid evil times but you could always move out of the way of the rock if you were fast enough. Plus when the actual fighting began they didnt keep launching them.
But now you could be sitting in your trench and have something kill you from the sky faster then you could blink your eye.
I'd still fight in a modern war if my land was being invaded and I had to no doubt but modern wars are not heroic like the old wars were. They are practically suicide missions and only luck will decide your fate
>>73735062
Filtered.
>>73736717
>I'd rather have a chance to pit my skills against someone else's skills
ok mate. get a plane to syria, and join the fight
On the war note, anyone looking forward to Hearts of Iron 4?
>t. Not a Paradox shill, honest
>>73736770
They still fight sword and shield? Dont think so shit head.
You all believe you'll all be war heroes with superior fighting skills, that the enemy will miss you or wound you lightly, that war is a fucking game like in vidyas.
Come back on the ground, this vid is not even a tenth of the horror. Look at Dix' paintings. There was a reason why Europe was traumatized and didn't want a war to happen again against Germany.
>>73736915
>muh fantasy war
sure, go there, find isis fags, wait until night, and slit their throats :^)
>>73736915
You're asking a eurocuck to actually read posts, he's just here to troll
War is sometimes a necessary evil. It's not pretty, it's not good, but sometimes it's needed.
As autistic as most of the "muh race war" posters may be, fighting for the survival of your people and nation is morally right. Not only is it morally right, it's necessary.
>>73736989
This man speaks the truth.
>>73737048
>british flag
>uses "eurocuck"
see. confirmed paki
>>73736854
nah i think i'll stick to 2
I don't have a top of the line computer and I'm too impatient to deal with the late-game slowdown in newer paradox games
So much glory!
Thanks for protecting this country!
Wow!
>Match seller with no legs in 1921
War is pretty awesome though
>>73733779
This is honestly the dumbest post I've ever seen. I'm actually gonna reply twice I'm so mad.
>confusing killing for survival/eating with the wholesale terror, slaughter, and waste that is war
You will never, ever find animals going to war. War is entirely different from what this pansy and you seem to think it is, it is entirely unnatural, because it is wasteful and inconsiderate of consequence. It is an abstraction born of the worst parts of humanity's social nature and self-presumed dominance of the world.
Watch animals fight, as this faggot seems to compare war to. They posture and hiss and spit, and most of the time the first one to get hit runs away in intelligent fear, so it can live for another day.
War is wholesale slaughter and waste, nothing else.
>>73735771
Nice flag!
>>73737192
>waah I'd rather half the population was murdered and raped by invaders than a few people came ack injured
>>73737299
Top kek
Fought a paki lately have you?
dude you guys ever read Sun and Steel by Ernst Juenger?
shits fucken metal as fuck
>dude war is like soo bad like wow
>dude stop the glorification of war, you're just a pussy you live in modern civilization
>war is unnecessary like ugh
stop trying to look enlightened and pragmatic by shouting down anyone who isn't afraid to die you faggots. de maistre was right. man kills, man has always killed, and man will always kill when he deems it as being to his advantage. war is an extension of this fact, and accepting its reality will always be better than avoiding its possibility and exacerbating the inevitable outbreak. proactive > reactive. history agrees.
>>73737331
So let me get this straight, you think that we should have surrendered to Germany in WW2?
>>73737259
Your mistake is assuming that slaughter and terror is inherently wasteful and bad. It can be a tool for good, just like everything else in this world.
>>73737376
Don't forget
>dude look how cool and edgy I am I don't like war, isn't that so radical and out there woah only everyone else agrees with me I'm so original
>>73737376
has nothing to do with being afraid to die, and everything to do with the wholesale slaughter and waste of life and industry that war is.
>le brave american
go fight in syria you pussy
>dude if only wars were like they were in the past, I'd be a hero, I swear! war is good and necessary to produce strong men like me!
>>73737376
join the army and fight in syria. why are you wasting time on 4chan and not being in combat? 0 excuse
>>73737435
No, I'm saying that you should try and understand why a vast majority of those who went off to fight are scared for life lad.
Sure I know we'd all sign up in a heart beat if we were being invaded, not questioning that. All I'm saying is it's nice to reflect on how two wars utterly destroyed the continent and could have been avoided. There is no glory in World War 2 or 1. Maybe immediately after but not in the long term (bar events, parades etc)
>We didn't even celebrate VE day
>>73737530
Well peactime produced you so we're pretty much spot on.
>>73737376
>isn't afraid to die
Everyone is afraid to die.
>de maistre was right
De Maistre had no experience of war. He was a shielded faggot like you are.
>man kills
Most men don't.
>accepting the reality
And reality is that war is simply a necessary evil, not something to be desired.
>>73737591
>join the army
You do realise no european country or america has troops in syria.
>>73737376
As someone said earlier, De Maiste could not have imagined what War has become in the modern era, not to mention he didn't consider the genetic angle. The costs are too high now it's not sustainable, dysgenic, and our thinking needs to change.
>>73732993
War and struggle is part of reality. An entire generation has grown up not knowing of war and of overcoming obstacles. War akin the traditional sense will happen in the foreseeable future. We may as well embrace.
>>73737591
>>73737511
>cucks pretending like we're not actually going to join the war
I fully intend to join the military. If I have to go to Syria, I will gladly do so. Unfortunately, I'm not an absolute retard so I'm not just going to pack a plane to Baghdad and ask for directions to ISIS. It takes time to go through ROTC and shit.
Stay cucked, brave edgelords.
>>73737606
I never said there was glory, I said that I think the right thing to do is to defend your country, unfortunately 'stop the war' seems to have invaded 4chan tonight.
>>73737591
>>73737678
go to syria, you can join the kurds and fight isis. a bike gang from our country did exactly that. GO unless you're a pussy and need to come with some other weak ass excuse
>>73737678
America actually does have troops (mostly just specialists and trainers) in Syria.
>>73737775
also meant for: >>73737376
>>73737775
The Kurds are a doomed cause. They will gain land from ISIS, then get crushed by either Assad or Erdogen or whoever else when they get too powerful. They're like Enlightenment Era Poland come again.
No reason to go die for a doomed cause when I can join the US military and have my life spent more effectively.
>>73732993
I'm sorry but you don't seem to realize how WW1 was the first war of mondern warfare.
PTSD was such a rare sight that it was deemed "Cowardice"and were often executed for desertion when in the harsh reality they were just loosing there mind. Those frequent shakes you see in the vid are caused by the ungodly amounts of artillery that was used on trenches of soldiers that were at often times stuck in a trench for so fucking long surrounded by other shit such as Gas,corpses, rats the size of cats, poor nutrition.
Standing sentry on night watch. You fall asleep?
EXECUTION
It was a war of lions led by donkey's
officers and commanders did NOT really give a shit about their men's mental and physical state.
Now what about today's mondern warfare?
Oh right they actually try to treat there soldiers like human beings rather than cattle to throw there enemies at.
simply put ww1 was notorious for being the worst war to be a soldier in.
few of the commanders could adapt to modern warfare and it got tons of young men killed in the dumbest ways.
>>73737775
You're retarded, unless I was Syrian I'd have no reason to go to war. There's nothing to be found in battle if you're not protecting something you love. If you don't understand you'll never understand, people like you are the reason Hitler was appeased.
>>73737678
>>73737973
there are also western troops in iraq, and isis is there to. go ahead faggot.
War?
Gee, i hope my country wins.
Wait.
>>73737736
Do you know how war looked in his age? Most of deaths were from disease. You could die from a slight wound. Discipline was brutal, pay was miserable.
Royal Navy impressed people into service, that's how glorious was service in the most glorious arm of British military.
It's just that it's easy to beat hawthorns with someone else's dick. De Maistre didn't fight any wars.
>>73737773
Yeah I agree with what you're saying war can't be avoided and if you don't fight you're a no good fucking cuck.
I think most people get caught up in the emotion of war when they haven't experienced it on both sides of the camp (pro and anti).
All this "stop war" rhetoric is pretty common now because people are angry at how the last two turned out. We're so weak because of it and look who has come to eat what is leftover..
>>73738012
Again, if I get deployed there (I will volunteer for any combat I can), I will. You do know there's only like a few hundred western troops in Iraq though, right? Odds of getting such a glorious position are quite low. I'll try, though.
>>73737501
lets have an example faggot
>>73737759
yeah I just bet
>edgelord
>because want peace
I LIKE TO SPOUT MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES MEMES
World War I was the biggest catastrophy that ever happened to Europe.
Empires were ruined, millions of white men died, paths to cuckness were created and all this because of jewish schemes and bad luck.
>>73738070
War is only as good as the people in charge of it look at any western intervention in the middle east. No one could support that unless it's their pockets being lined. War should be used in self defense only, I think.
>>73732993
War is hell. This just shit on my mood, so...
http://bennyhillthis.com/?v=k4Pd527GN48
(skip to 00:30)
sorry
Sure war is horrible, but slowly becoming soft and decadent due to absence of real hardship is a kind of slow death in itself.
Maybe not full blown war, but I want *something* to happen.
Modern liberal society is so sanitized and so safe- I know many people secretly yearn for something catastrophic, so we can have a test or a 'trial by ordeal' like our ancestors did, to prove to ourselves that we really are men.
>>73738292
There is hardship in peacetime too, that provides a better experience.
>but I want *something*
You lead a dull life so you desire something to save you from your dull life. In this case, you want people to die so you get excited, despite the fact that your dull life is your own fucking fault.
You're literally the exhibit A of ''sanitized and safe'' society. People like you only exist in countries like yours, that never fought wars on their soil or experienced great hardships.
>>73738190
Really? You know there's literally countless just wars, right? Like the Spanish Civil War, where the Nationalists used war to purge Leftism from the country. There was the Revolutionary War, where the colonies were forced to use war to gain their inalienable rights from Britain. There was the War of Dutch Independence, the Glorious Revolution, the later wars in the Napoleonic Era used to topple Napoleon, the Italian Wars of Unification, etc. etc.
I called you an edgelord because you're going around shaming anyone who thinks war might be sometimes ok but isn't literally out there right now dying in a war zone. That's Reddit-tier nonsense.
>>73734610
>bunch of niggers move into my nieghborhood in the Glorious High Deserts when I was a teen
>they're loud, annoying and are bringing their gang bullshit
>me, a couple of good ol' boys and patriotic spics start to go after them at night
>we just skulk around, hanging out, smoking and joking and shooting the shit while looking for niggers to fuck up
>never once did it cross our minds that they might be strapped
>tfw they stopped coming out at night and stopped seeing the everywhere period
Don't lump us desert and rural boys with the those faggot city boys, anyone else do anything like this?
>>73738566
War might be okay or necessary from perspective of one group but in general war is not okay. Is this hard to comprehend?
>>73738503
>You lead a dull life so you desire something to save you from your dull life
WEW LAD hit the nail on the fucking head.
/thread
I hope for the war to come because it's the only way to save Europe, I will gladly join the fight, but I don't want at any price get there uneducated. I've joined the military reserve of my country and I truly hope it will help me in case of a breakdown.
Seriously, guys, stop seeing the situation as a gallant odyssey to recover the West, that's good for propaganda but reality is something else.
How many of you ever had a military training? How many of you have ever fought outside of video games? There's Ukraine in this moment that needs to be defended, but even if you fought with the Russians you'd see how non-idyllic war is.
I happen to know somebody who has actually fought a war, he told me that war, although necessary, is not to be praised, that one should always be very serious about it, that killing people s not fun and that surviving is due, half to skills, half to luck. The bullet that kills the guy next to you could have killed you as well.
And he had only fought in Sarajevo, not even close to WW1.
>>73734497
>They weren't traumatised, they were men.
Uh read a book, as far back as Ancient Greece we recognized the psychological trauma from war. They even had special hospitals for this shit. If you think war does not change people just talk to veterans and listen to lectures from veterans going back to WWI. It recognizing the symptoms of the trauma.
>>73732993
Good video ruined by T-Rex noises.
>>73738292
>Revolutionary War
>Justified
Lol. A few greedy landowners and businessmen latched on to enlightenment philosophy and a few useful true believers like Jefferson as an excuse to not pay tax. How glorious.
>>73738657
Multhasian catastrophe. Almost every war in history has been fought over resources. Group A attacks group B so that they can take their riches and farmland. War is almost a primeval instinct in humans. Take what the other guy has because I need it.
>>73738566
>shaming
gb2 tumblr
If a country or a people have to go to war to defend themselves, they will do so. It doesn't matter what a bunch of autistic faggots think about it, or how many internet defense scrubs post in support of them on 4chan. That's the entire reason a war is just, is that people get shit on and still stand up to defend themselves.
What's messed up and stupid is the way autistic faggots propound war as a generally positive thing, especially in light of modern military technology and the military industrial complex.
You're fooling yourself if you think you're defending anyone who has to go to war for a just reason. If they do, they will. You're not changing anything. Anyone who's fought in war would tell you that it's a last resort, and that's all it ever should be.
>>73739178
Which doesn't mean it's something good. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
As you can see in modern world, you can acquire resources without going to war with a certain group.
>>73739178
And if you think that the endless growth and expansion of human technological capability will never have an effect on the delicate balance that keeps the world a livable place, you're daft.
>>73739076
Get your bitch ass back to England and eat the queen's dusty pussy then. Fucking Tory faggot.
>>73739346
I never said that it was good. I simply said that war is natural as it is a competition for resources. Combine some of man kinds most basic emotions, greed and survival, and war is the result. Just because trade has increased in the 21st century doesn't mean that wars don't happen. Just look at the invasion of Iraq. If global resources are dwindling then trade won't simply solve everything. Eventually there will be conflicts over resources.
>>73739178
>>73739402
see image
>inb4 natural temperature change
lrn2 geological timescale faggots
>>73738503
>You lead a dull life so you desire something to save you from your dull life.
yes, that's exactly why we want a happening, coupled with how shitty and degenerate the world is becoming. There's literally nothing wrong with that. A happening would be more exciting than anything you can experience during a normal life.
>>73740065
Conflict is natural. War is conflict multiplied by human technological capacity, and human technological capacity, while a product of nature, is unlike anything else nature has ever produced, and is largely unchecked by nature because it occurs far faster than the geological timescale can account for.
>>73740261
>egypt
If you want a happening you can go ou outside. Wtf are you talking about.
What is wanted be least naive can only be the inevitable.
>>73740417
not really. you're thinking Syria.
