So I've been studying the effects of increased diversity on social cohesion and the effects of in-group preferences on societal harmony in the west and it looks like increased diversity has a strong correlation with a decrease in social cohesiveness and is generally a bad deal when it happens en masse, leading to ethnic friction and the creation of parallel societies in the nation in question.
However, I've also noticed that the rise of the rise of the welfare state and increased government intervention in both the economic and personal arena has increased at the same time as the increase in diversity.
What I'm trying to communicate is, could the sharp decrease in social cohesiveness be a direct result of socialistic policies instead of the inherent conflict between different races or ethnicities? Looks to me like government enables the negatives of multiculturalism to manifest rather than the other way around.
You gotta dumb it down anon. Give examples to prove your point.
I don't see how they aren't all part of the same shitty marxist package.
>>73728319
when you introduce low IQ people into a post industrialized society, they fail miserably. They still "need" to live so they vote to be spoon fed by the government. They will never except that they simply are not evolved to function in anything past a simple subsistence lifestyle and therefore they will always seek excuses and vote for more free stuff. When even most smart people can't see this, imagining trying to break it to the hoards of low functions humans that see the success of others as oppression.
>>73728608
All I'm trying to say is that maybe shitskins aren't to blame for all of the conflict we see in the west today. Maybe shitskins aren't inherently responsible for the degeneration we're seeing.
An example I could give you is the establishment of the welfare state. Maybe the sharp decrease we see in volunteerism and social trust is due to the role the government has taken on. People are no longer expected to be their neighbor's keeper since big daddy government takes care of it.
>>73728608
what this guy said
>>73728319
>socialistic policies
look at who votes in those policies. you're basically saying that the metal of the pan is boiling the water rather than the flame beneath. it's one in the same.
>>73728319
Surely Scandinavian and northern European countries disprove this with high cohesiveness and welfare states?
>>73728725
The thing is, government spoon feeding was present before the low IQ populations came in to begin with, in most cases that is. The problem is with government, which enables the whole oppressor/oppressed dynamic to exist by providing hand outs. It prevents people from seeing their own failures.
>>73728953
Socialism was voted in by whites. Minorities weren't a problem when socialistic policies were introduced.
Production is the basis of morale. Hope you get an F.
>>73728319
>increased diversity has a strong correlation with a decrease in social cohesiveness
>>73729073
They aren't as high as you'd think. Look up data relating to this. Their volunteerism is still low when compared to less well-off and state defendant societies.
>>73728319
How is it fucking possible to have social cohesiveness with blacks around
The only reason we even have a welfare state is so they don't all starve to death. Socialistic policies are geared entirely towards the feeding, policing and social dysfunction of third world populations living in the USA
>>73728319
Even blacks can't live around other blacks
They are so immensely toxic to society, every society they try to build turns into a mass genocide, mass starvation shitshow
>>73729290
It's kind of logical that volunteerism would reduce in welfare states because it's less necessary. How else do you measure cohesiveness?
>>73729364
>The only reason we even have a welfare state is so they don't all starve to death.
Nope. Socialistic policies were first introduced in America in the 30s. Way before anyone have a shit about blacks.
>>73729561
Most studies I've seen measure it with volunteerism and community participation. That's why I'm having this didcussion. It looks to me that government is the problem and not diversity per se.
>>73729719
Seems flawed, you'd expect volunteerism to change depending on level of government support. Are there any studies based on polling people on how included they feel in society?
>>73729216
>Minorities weren't a problem when socialistic policies were introduced.
there were no minorities when these European countries went socialist, and things were fine for a while. but allowing the immigration of under-qualified and unskilled people IS a socialist policy.
you're trying to argue that if a given country that is currently socialist and experiencing low social cohesion, that country will experience more cohesion if they were less socialist. i'm sorry but i don't think that's the case. if you have a country that is 25% fundamentalist Islam, 25% SJW types, 25% blacks, and 25% conservative whites, that country would still be a shithole even if it were more capitalistic.
>>73729572
comparing the welfare state in 1930s-70s america to now is like comparing a spider monkey to a gorilla.
>>73730135
I think that's the point: when there is no nanny state, people are more cohesive by necessity, and can reap the benefits of that cohesion.
>>73728319
>What I'm trying to communicate is, could the sharp decrease in social cohesiveness be a direct result of socialistic policies instead of the inherent conflict between different races or ethnicities?
I think a similar conclusion about diversity being shit has been drawn before based on comparing areas with varying degrees of diversity, rather than looking at their development over time.
>>73730757
But volunteerism isn't necessarily a proxy for cohesion. I think it's more likely that homogenous societies tend to have better cohesion and are therefore more likely to develop a strong welfare state.
In-group out-group conflict has been a thing since way before different ethnic groups have been in contact with each other. We've never really lost that tribal aspect. It's just easier to demarcate along ethnic divisions because they're much more obvious.
>>73731212
That's the thing though, none of the studies I've seen that have measure social cohesiveness do it in another way. They always measure it through volunteerism and social participation. Unless you have another measurable way to establish cohesiveness, that is.
>>73728319
Its a good theory. Capitalism in its purest form teaches values because values associated with higher levels of production turn a profit and ensure a better life for you and your children; getting educated, not turning violent at the slightest altercation, raising your kids and only having them when you're prepared for it.
And ultimately you're right. "We'll have those niggers voting democrat for the next 60 years!" etc. Ultimately living like a degenerate is something you can afford and without that guaranteed welfare, degenerates would have to at least keep their degeneracy behind closed doors to ensure that they can continue them while maintaining any kind of decent lifestyle. In fact, when talking about American blacks in particular, one could argue that they were well on their way during the Civil Rights movement to becoming equal with Whites, or at least laying the moral foundation to pursue that goal, but generations later, getting that welfare check in the mail has become a cultural touchstone for them and deciding to take on the cultural and moral values that lead to success sets you up for ostracization.
It sucks, but seeing that there doesn't seem to be a vocal black movement calling it like it is and every black person given a microphone only enforces those negative cultural standards, its hard to have sympathy for them.
They're at the same time angry at their jailers but unable to comprehend that the cell door was never locked.
>>73731820
Exactly what I was thinking. Knowing this, then, the solution should be obvious. You don't necessarily need to have an all white society to establish social stability and cohesion. You just need to make people behave through the incentive of the free market. Although, getting rid of socialism will be no easy feat, and importation of more brown people into the west will only increase the leftist voter base. It's good to know that the root cause may not necessarily be race or ethnicity, but socialism.
>>73728881
there is still a lot of help needed, though - it isn't like there are no voluntary organisations.
>>73728319
The real question to ask is what creates social cohesion
