How highways wrecked American cities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odF4GSX1y3c
just go to 2:20 to hear the words
>>73696658
I'm not gonna watch this when I know that leftist policies ruined every city that has been ruined, like Detroit and Chicago.
>>73696658
Cars and highways really are shit for cities though. Cities need better public transportation systems.
>>73696658
>blame Whitey for everything: the video
oh Swedecuck, never change
>>73696658
>the left is now shitting on highways
Literally gave america growth through the trucking industry for over 50 years.
>>73696658
>We destroyed our infrastructure to accommodate blacks.
>We loose hundreds of billions of dollars a year commuting to avoid feral Negroes.
God, blacks are such parasites.
I can't even keep watching the video, this guys voice pisses me off. Why do all the liberal college student know it all dumbasses all sound the same?
I love our highways, and I love driving myself to work every day. Fuck public transportation, I'm not getting on a train or bus like a sardine packed asian or eurocuck.
We need more roads and more cars
I live in NJ, the most densely populated state and I live near a # of major highways. I like it a lot, its very convenient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Route_41.
I dont get whats wrong about it except poor people 60 years ago were forced to move and poor people dont have cars to drive?
>>73697253
>We need more BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC AND MORE GIBS FOR OPEC
ftfy
Leftie fucks aside
There is actually a good argument for how highways ruin cities. It's not sustainable for everyone to drive in even a country like America with 300 million + people.
>>73697023
Niggers and wetbacks are shit for cities. Public transportation becoming shit is just a symptom, not the cause. If you've ever had to take the bus or subway in a """"diverse"""" city then you would understand why driving verywhere is the only acceptable option.
>>73697487
>bumper to bumper traffic
I can drive 40 miles without seeing a car. I can drive 120 miles to the south of PA on I-81 and not once will I see more than 5-6 cars at a time.
The US is the largest producer of oil in the world (atleast it was before the price drop), so your argument is irrelevant.
>>73697521
It doesnt matter if the cities are packed with content.
You can go anywhere. In states like NJ traffic sucks and we don't get to go far easily, except we really do go far when you consider how much you are passing.
Jobs are Everywhere,. Its not like texas where you need to go 100 miles an hour just to get to the next town over.
>>73696658
>demonstrates the effect of highways demolishing neighbourhoods
>old area had a high population density and crime rate
>now it has a very low population density no no crime...
The true effect highways had on major cities was to spread the people out over a larger area, as was mentioned in the video, only they said "white people" not everyone.
High population density and urban squalor, which was present there, is a terrible thing and should be avoided by the planners if at all possible.
>>73697652
>I can drive just fine in rural areas
Yes, because like you no one ever drives in or around major cities, which is what the documentary is about.
And a lot of oil companies in America are getting their shit pushed in by OPEC's oil glut.
>>73697969
Blacks don't live in low density areas outside of the black-belt in the south.
>>73696658
Highways didn't kill America
Suburban urban planning made communities that people don't like living in
Namely lack of connectivivity through the town
Source : architecture/urban planning major
Spent 4 years writing how biased our urban planning classes were to European style development without any regard for the history and culture of America
Basically the entire architecture community is being taught that everything should be done like Europe and that everything done in America is terrible
>even though these designs came mostly from euros and brought us Gibbs like housing projects
Tl;dr don't listen to design people they have good insights but terrible conclusions and even worse solutions
>>73698065
It still spread them out over a wider area though, things were improved as a result of the highway.
>>73697999
Scranton, a metropolitan area of 700,000 people, is right along that I-81 area that I drive all the time. If I drive along the metropolitan area, I have never seen a traffic jam or more than a few cars in my life.
I grew up in NJ and NYC, and even then, traffic wasn't that bad.
Sequel: How mudshits wrecked Swedish cities
>>73697999
Why should people drive if they live in a major city and can walk or take public transportation? the highways are good for commuters to go in or out.
>>73698110
No, the movement to the suburbs basically liquidated the value of a huge amount of infrastructure and forces americans to own cars. My car ownership is basically a cost I have to bear to avoid dindus.
That's also just a tiny bit of the effects of desegregation.
![02livi_span[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kAy50hv.jpg "02livi_span[1].jpg")
>>73698107
In my experience if the town stays small like under 3 miles it succeeds very well.
Philly and camden: 140 and 10 square miles respectively, they are too big to maintain.
>>73698310
Some people have to work during hours where public transportation isn't available. In some cities (ie. LA) public transport is quite useless in many areas and it really is thanks to oil companies and car manufacturers conspiring with one another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Railway
>>73698614
Then they arent employable for those work hours.
Too bad. I work early in the AM and I love driving through no traffic.
>>73697652
redneck detected.
when did you get the internet? or electricity?
>>73698193
what the fuck are you talking about? Did you only drive around at 2am?
Seattleite here. Traffic is horrible but its not the 'highways' fault, it's a simple lack of planning. Their too small and the at grade design in cities is becoming obsolete. Should be a minimum of 8 lanes wide, and two levels that are at least 20 feet odd the deck. All exiting traffic should have lanes long enough that at any capacity, a traffic light won't fuck up highway traffic.
>>73697023
So I can be told how rude Manspreading is? Fuck that shit.
Private property, ftw.
>>73696658
Highways are bad because they allow people to escape the prisons, I mean cities.
>>73697521
Beats living next to Trayvon
>>73698964
I'm 20 miles outside of Scranton. I'm a hillbilly.
>>73699030
Where? If Scranton, then no, I drive around at any time of any day. There's rarely anybody on 6. Business 6 is usually packed, but not horrible, though.
If you mean NJ and NYC, I've driven around Hudson County, and traffic is kind of bad in Jersey City, but nothing too horrible. The Staten Island parkway was always packed too, but if you go at the right time you can be fine. I've been to Manhattan 5 times in my life and the traffic was no where near as bad as people say it is.
>>73696658
>diverse and vibrant downtown neighbourhoods removed
oh no!
>>73697433
As much as NJ is kinda mediocre I will say they do roads right. As soon as I get through god awful NY (my state) its smooth sailing in NJ.
I dont get why NJ can build 6 lanes in one direction with seperated lanes for trucks and then in NY on thr NYS thru way going up to Albany, its 2 lanes like a parkway and there is always some tractor trailer in the left lane blocking everything because the right lane is too congested even to get over.
>>73697619
Public transport in USA became shit because a few large corporations wanted it to be shit. So they could make more money from selling cars.
>>73699212
>So I can be told how rude Manspreading is?
The real world isn't fucking tumblr believe it or not.
>>73699430
This desu.
NJ knows where the populated areas are and makes huge highways for them, which is awesome. Even up here in PA in low traffic areas, we have 3-4 lanes. I love driving on I-80 though, its a good adrenaline rush because you never know when you're gonna die
>is da white people
>Joseph Stromberg
You can't make this shit up
>>73696658
Eisenhower would fuck you up kid
>>73696658
Oh god these fucking retards bitching about cars. Enjoy your one room apartment and rapebus. Spending 1,5 hour on a commute instead of 30 minutes with acar
>>73696658
They were in many if not most cases *actual* blights. They looked like pockets of Detroit - the properties were worth almost nothing to anyone. If I had properties that were more valuable dozed and replaced with something else than left up, I'd doze them in a heartbeat.
>>73697158
>commute to city for work
>city full of jobless niggers
>>73699430
I honestly wouldnt know much of NYC having never gone once, but I'd take public transportation probably. I live closer to philadelphia. Philly does things right too.
>>73697253
you should be forced to carpool with a van full of ahmeds
>>73699688
Eisenhower got a brief mention at the end of the video and what he wanted was to make travel cross country much more efficient, not have an overwhelming number of cars clog up cities.
>>73697521
but they'll never build mass transit
>>73696658
Swedish 4Chan meetup picture.
Start rolling everyone.
>>73696658
America isn't Western Europe, or Eastern Asia with their dense populations. We have roughly 1/3 on each coat and the remaining third in flyover land. Highways make sense.
>>73697619
even San Franciso white hipsters have private chartered buses taking them to their code monkey jobs because smelly homeless totally ruin their vibe.
>>73696658
There is something wonderfully ironic about blaming the auto industry for the state of Detroit - when what happened to Detroit, is the auto industry left, and the whites with jobs went with it.
>>73699564
>>73699430
The only thing that sucks in NJ is our circles/roundabouts . Some have been replaced by better roads.
>>73696658
CCUUUUUUCCCKKKKK
>>73699891
Actually, the video is complaining about highways in cities, not between them.
Still stupid though. A lot of those cities are horrifically spread out (esp greater LA). The ones that aren't, have dense public transportation networks and a handful of highways going through them as one would expect (such as San Francisco).
>>73699564
>>73699430
>>73700133
Every single time I've been to Jersey, there's been construction everywhere. I'd get through one construction zone only to hit another 5-10 minutes later. Even Massachusetts isn't that bad.
you're not a real NJ resident unless you've raced PA drivers at 130+mph on I-80
>>73696658
Just some Swedish politicians saying hello
Wow, you White people suck
I'm #BlackLivesMatter now.
>>73697023
Hyper loop is the future
>>73700467
This desu senpai
Every time I go down to 80, I race some NJ asshat that always hogs the left lane going only 90.
Pls go
>>73696658
All of the people talking sound like homosexuals
Fergot pic.
>>73700357
Which came first, the spread out cities or the in-city highways?
I would agree that in present day it would be impractical to get rid of in-city highways because of such cities.
>>73696658
The US is pretty interesting. All the major cities in Europe are old and have a really old core so building roads like this would be impossible unless you want to go full commie and just tear down all the culture.
But in the US almost everything is new so they can just do what ever is most efficient.
>>73696748
>Chicago
>>73699513
Ackshually the original public transit in my city was Privately funded and the government crushed it with the help of the auto industry. So you're only 1/2 right.
>>73696658
Urban life (especially in LA) revolved around the Automobile 20 years before the highways were invented.
LA in the 1930s and 40s had no highway, so it could take the entire day to get from South Central to Hollywood.
They didn't even bother to do 10 minutes of research on the topic.
Just gonna say this /pol/, I guarantee the majority of you have never experienced real traffic. Come spend a week commuting in New Jersey and then complain to me.
>>73700563
Hyperloop has been the future since the last time Brown was in office, so no... Though I'm sure we'll keep throwing money at it long after he's dead.
>>73697023
For some cities, cars and highways are the only practical solution. Not every city is a ultra-dense stacked population phenomenon like NY or SF. A lot of cities are setup like G-LA, where you've got 10 million people spread out over a 200 mile radius.
>>73698107
>European style development without any regard for the history and culture of America
Interesting. Any online sources you could point to on what an American design would look like?
>>73700888
Google maps?
>>73700762
>"Black Twitter" images are always so horrendously compressed because they can't even resist stealing a jpeg
>>73700857
>e majority of you have never experienced real traffic
I've been stuck in an airport bus on the 405 for 3 hours.
Fight me, motherfucker.
>>73696658
We wouldn't have had to build all those highways if it wasn't for niggers.
>>73700857
i live in las vegas...fight me
>>73699056
autism, the post.
>>73697433
Years ago I drove from Virginia to Vermont for a vacation, went through NJ and the one thing I noticed was that the roads were better. There seemed to be a lot of tolls though.
>>73701230
Most of those highways were built when the African population was less than 9%, and the Jim-Crow laws were still in full effect.
Sadly, we no longer build things on that scale. I don't really think we know how anymore, from the logistics end of things at least. We barely manage to maintain the legacy our grandfathers left us as it is.
>>73700357
LA has 10x the people of san francisco
>>73701336
He said the 405, so I assume he means LA.
You stand no chance, brah.
Sadly, the efforts at mass transport in LA are actually making things worse. Less than 1% of the population uses the blue line, and each new installation wipes out at least two freeway lanes, slowing down traffic and thus increasing pollution in the process.
>>73701450
Tolls?
Tell me about it, driving through Norway is a fucking nightmare.
You spend more money on tolls than the fucking car you're driving in.
And then you have to pay a fine if you're using studded tires, IN THE FUCKING SNOW
>>73701545
Not going by population concentration. SF is one of the most densely populated cities on the planet, with 3 million people living in a 3 mile radius.
LA has 10 million people living in nearly a 200 mile radius.
That's the difference. Shit's spread all over, so busses and trains can't cut it - they rarely get you anywhere near where you need to be.
>>73698107
This is true.
I agree. Fuck the patriarchy. I can sit at home doing nothing collecting welfare while all the women work, pay taxes and fund my lifestyle.
There's a hidden reason why jews love cities and hate suburbia.
Cities are a population sink, and since they love low birthrates they love it when whites live in cities.
America's large rural and suburban population are a big reason why our birthrates aren't completely shit like europe's.
As long as white people are having kids that's no good for the jew so they want to pack in white people like sardines and then bring in hordes of shitskins.
>>73701490
>Sadly, we no longer build things on that scale.
Have you tried building a giant wall?
>>73700888
It mostly had to do with our individualism and geographic size
Despite what horned rim liberal design pontificaters say
Huge numbers of people come her to live on their own
They don't want to live in Europe, why want their little plot of land and a mule
The suburbs allows that and it's possible because of the car
You gotta realize in the early 1900's. Cities were not like they are now thy were cramped and dirty and fully of from people took the first chance they had to flee and they did
>>73696658
The purpose of the highway system you leftist fucks is to allow military units quick access to anywhere in the nation.
>>73696658
Fuck vox and fuck the fruitbowl narrator that video has.
>>73697253
>, this guys voice pisses me off.
A fucking feminized fruit bowl.
>>73702090
The last big thing we built was the internet... And this is what we have to show for it.
>>73701807
SF has less than a million people living there.
LA county alone has 10 million, and the density in the hub is much greater than the rural areas that are counted in the 200 mile radius. You could add in Orange county for another 3 million for only 30 miles more.
>>73702076
actually they like cities AND suburbs, what they really hate is rural areas.
Suburbs are bad too because they were the cornerstone of consumerist culture which started after WWII, and promoted a false hollywood notion of "american dream" which is really about becoming the perfect career wage-slave.
>>73699564
NE extension on the PA turnpike though? Kill me
Atleast thats the way it was for the last 4 years, thankfully they finally extended that first part of it so its not always blocked up.
>>73702515
see: Levittown, the model suburb designed by Jews
>>73696658
Non-Germans where never supposed to use the Autobahn, since they couldn't handle them properly and would turn it into something that would hurt their users.
Just like normies should have never get access to the Internet or women the right to vote.
>>73702611
*were
>>73702486
Map: >>73700658
Ya can't connect that shit via mass trans.
>GO train to Union Station full of office workers
>mostly poo in loos but still professionally dressed, poo in loos
No complaints here famalam
>>73702678
you said there were 3 million people in SF when it's less than a million
SF metro is 8 million and it's just as much of a clusterfuck as LA. I would argue LA is actually easier to get around because you don't have to go over bridges. The public transit in SF is absolutely horrible.
>>73696658
He's right though.
Black people back then had built up incredibly wealthy and vibrant areas and evil White people came and demolished them so they'd go back to poverty.
So much wealth for our country lost just so Whitey could hide away from the vibrant minorities areas.
I am glad Obama is fixing this now by importing that old egyptian minority vibrancy into all our ugly poor White only suburban communities.
>>73696658
The like/dislike ratio on this piece of shit is horrific. I expected better from you, /pol/.
All these niggers agreeing with this bullshit in the comments. Yes, roads are racist now.
>>73702893
Meh, having lived in both, I can ya, living in SF without a car is entirely doable - and really, preferable.
Living in Greater LA without car, on the other hand, is suicide. There's just no way to get to anywhere near where you need to be, even with a half-dozen transfers.
Having lived car-less in Boston as well, as an aside, is just golden, as the T goes every fucking where, but like Frisco, it's a pretty small area. Unlike either LA or Frisco, it wasn't built with cars in mind, and all the overlapping spider webs of twelve way intersections will drive you H.P. Lovecraft levels of insane anyways.
In Greater LA, OC is especially bad... There's more parking lot than buildings in OC, for large swaths of it aren't allowed to have buildings over two stories tall. Just walking to the next business over can run your shoe mileage up three miles - nevermind getting to work.
>>73703353
Great, you decided you like city life. This isn't a new phenomenon, you have the freedom of choice to live in one if you want.
>>73696658
Its white midwest towns that suffered though. All the towns that were bypassed to save 5 mins of drive time became shallow husks of their former glory.
>>73696658
>Its always because of racism
Can't they get a new shtick?
>>73702893
...and if the map isn't getting the point across, maybe an aerial shot will. This keeps going like this - over the horizon, endlessly, for nearly a hundred miles.
There's just no viable way to connect all that with public transportation. You'd need, literally, hundreds of thousands of blue lines running shotgun through only the gods know how many neighborhoods, while eliminating the existing transportation network of cars that are the city's life blood.
And you can't build subways through most of the area, because there's underground rivers running under all that shit you see there. The ground tends to liquefy during earthquakes in these parts, and it'd take the entire nation's GDP for six centuries to build BART style subways underneath all that for all the hundreds of miles that would be involved. Hell, the few we do have cost us in the billions, aren't they only really connect two neighborhoods.
...and LA isn't the only city subject to this sort of spread. (And this image isn't even nearly the worst of LA in that regards.)
>73703777
I've lived in the stix too, I've decided I prefer the city.
Though it's true, this particular city isn't by choice, atm - so much as by necessity, as I need to be nearby to help out certain old folks, as does the waifu.
>>73699560
>it hasn't happened to me therefore it happens to no one!
>>73696658
>government projects suck
what's new
>>73696658
REAL TALK, I HATE FREEWAYS
Downvotes lads
>>73696658
>highways go through """vibrant""" neighbourhoods
>>73704486
So do I, tollroads are far better maintained
>>73696658
Do we really need cities anymore?
Whatever manufacturing comes back is not going to be nearly as human intensive as turn of the century, so lots of output from a little staff. No need to concentrate people for that reason.
We can telecommute pretty well now. shit cheap VR telecommuting will be here in a decade.
Cities are just cesspits of poverty and magnets for terrorists. Keep everything dispersed, use drones for delivery, and live a good life.
>>73701221
>bus
found your problem
>>73700857
SF. Fight me.
My lifestyle doesnt force me to commute though so usually when Im on the highway I go as fast as I want.
>>73698107
>>73702130
So is striving for the walkable city not a good idea in your opinion? I'm genuinely curious
I love driving, fuck the bus
>>73704171
>earthquakes
Pretty much that's all you need to say on this subway shit. People on the East coast have no fucking clue how many damn earthquakes we have. They'd be toast.
>>73696658
In fairness, I have wondered why Americans built freeways right through cities instead of around them.
>>73697253
They honestly sound gayer than Milo
>>73703087
how_to_get_toxoplasmosis.gif
>>73697023
No they are fine. The issue is poor people are stupid and make bad choices. A highway does nothing to affect that
I work in an industrial park. Its the kind of place you really don't want houses around. That said, I would really like either more public transportation or for wider roads with less retarded design decisions. Cramming two lanes of traffic into one lane when one highway ends and joins up with another is bad enough, but having an entrance to the highway right at the point the lane ends is just terrible.
It would be nice to bring back elevator trains. Why did those go away anyway?
>>73697487
>we need to enrich whites by banning cars and force everyone yo use public transportation
>>73698614
NO ONE WANTED TO RIDE THEM DICK FACE
I'm sorry economic choice gets you buckeyes.
>>73705572
I think walkable cities are good
I think newer suburbs and new urbanism are a good step
The problem is finding context and balance, suburbs were designed poorly but the answer isn't to force everyone into an urban lifestyle not everyone wants that.
The answer to American suburbs isn't just to completely reverse everything, that's the attitude we had about suburbs in the first place
Designers have become advocates and policy makers first and I have always found the best designs to combine beauty, functionality and context
Too many people in the design world think they are artists, they have forgotten that people need to exsist in these spaces and places
Our job is to make the world people live in not the world thst you can jerk off to with your shitty faggy art friends
>>73702515
Loser. Only a jobless faggot uses the term wage slave
>>73696748
>Chicago
w-what happened, pham?
>>73697652
>I-81
>Pennsyltucky
Silly hick, that's one of the busiest trucking corridors in the US, all 232.75 miles of it. Southwest of I-78 especially it's choked with trucks 24/7. When's the last time you left Hazleton?
s-s-sorry we built roads
>>73696658
>white people targeted black communities
>when white communities were targeted they protested
Fucking stupid documentary suggests blacks ONLY were targeted for highways then suddenly mentions that white communities were targeted but resisted by protesting.
>>73705572
I am guessing because euro cities are made to be walked? I am not architecture so I am just guessing.
>>73706038
Cities without such a system such as DC (arguably), New York (on coast, dont need highway through it), and Boston are all fairly good cities, t least compared to the ghettoization of most other cities. Public Transportation is good in these cities.
>>73708101
Who are these cucks?????????
t. relatively newfag
>>73699396
There's rarely anyone on the "Lackawanna Valley Industrial Highway" because it was mid-90s Casey pork-barrel bullshit and no one wants to go to Waymart. Business 6 was unbannered US 6 until 1999 and that's where traffic still is.
Driving 120 miles south on I-81 will land you in Carlisle and I guarantee you you'll see more than five cars and more than twenty trucks. Driving 120 miles north will land you balls deep in Syracuse, which is where you'll find the highest AADT of all of I-81.
On that note, tearing down the I-81 viaduct in Syracuse is fucking retarded and will result in the nogging hordes overrunning Syracuse University along with gridlock everywhere.
>>73708943
>t. relatively newfag
is that why you post 800 times in a row?
>>73700692
The spread-out cities developed in tandem with their highway grids. That's why those meme cities are 100% sprawl.
>>73708705
Pretty much, or for horse and cart at most.
They were built, and largely grew, before traffic, so congestion forces a mass transit to thrive, which works out really.
That combined with insane land values forces dense cities.
New world cities are built as a huge sprawl which benefits cars and punishes foot traffic.
>>73709168
to different posts but yes. This is very interesting to me.
>>73697153
Inner city highways are irrelevant for trucking. You can afford to truck a little bit slower when delivering to the city center. Or take a detour and avoid the traffic jam.
What matters is the inter-city journey that takes hours over hours anyway.
>>73697023
WRONG.
Most cities have enough public transportation to meet the demand.
Second highways bring in massive amounts of goods and people to the city every day. Little corner store can't have goods come in though the bay or rent out a massive box car on a train to haul a small amount of goods.
Highways are not a new thing they were built for the most part and that was the end of it. Some cities built around them well and some did a massive shit job and made the problem much much worse. *Cough* Los Angeles.
What pissed me off about the video they made the car companies sound like this bad group of people who wanted to pave of niggers with bulldozers. All they wanted was a already proven system in Europe to come to America because it works so damn well and they would end up selling more cars. Joseph Stromberg (OY VEY! SHUT IT DOWN) even had to admit this made America very rich.
Second part that pissed me off was that they act like cities shouldn't change or adapt. That we should some how forever preserve buildings. This needs to stop. Cities that do this for the most part have not payed for it in a big way yet but it is slowly choking them. Meanwhile smaller cities are coping much better and don't mind building bigger buildings when they get the chance.
America doesn't have a Dubai or a Singapore yet we should have several of them but our shitty zoning laws prevent big cities from becoming mega cities. Well guess what numbnuts I guess people are going to have to drive into the cities because lack of space to live which means MORE HIGHWAYS!! So go ahead and preserve some old building with asbestos you dingle berries and see what happens.
>>73699688
Eisenhower didn't want highways inside cities. Those were added to the plan later.
>>73705178
You're just parroting the age-old anti urban sentiment.
It's empty idealism with no basis in reality. The entire time people have been lining up to be able to move into a city. The same city that has been constricted and restricted because anti-urban reformers have been concerned about how horrible it is.
But sure, you're free to not be one of those people. Nobody moves in to a city by force. They pay extreme premium prices for the privilege.
>>73711342
He has a point. Around 50% of my engineering team is off site, in Canada or other parts of America. Several live in remote forests. The historical reason people moved to cities is for jobs but I'm considering leaving mine to order to pay less rent. As telecommuting technology improves, I suspect more and more will leave as well.
Amazon and other internet stores give people access to goods not normally found outside cities. Entertainment, which has historically been a driver for urbanization, is becoming more and more digital, with live concerts and sports events being broadcast to your living room.
People have congregated in cities for a number of good reasons. But today's technology is, for the most part, wiping away the largest drivers of urban growth. It seems unlikely that people will cough up to live in cities once the holy trifecta of work, play, and shopping have been decentralized.
>>73707730
chicago is niggerville, ran by two gangs with nigger in their names
>>73713054
This, look up the Blackstone Rangers. The municipal government of Chicago has literally been involved in race gang corruption for generations.
