Serious Discussion about Golden Dawn
Do we really want a fat loser turk to lead our country?
I am a nationalist, but GD are complete naziboos. Instead of praising Greek political figures, they praise hitler which destroyed Greece.
These guys really take it to the extreme. If we do close our borders, It'd have to be diplomatically, otherwise the EU is going to sanction us to death.
I like the party, they have popularity, their own paramilitary-type-of-guys, decent music and emblems. But, fuck, I really don't like them.
People will stop seeing us as dumb communist retards but as dumb fascist turks instead.
>>73677596
Something is better than nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHF_2sfs6bk
>>73677696
top kek
>>73677596
Is he really a Turk? And aren˙t all Greeks Turks if you can barely tell the difference?
>>73677596
Well is there a alternative party that isn't full of cucks? Most EU countries don't even have the opportunity to have a party like Golden Dawn.
>>73677596
Well, with the present government and arrangement with your masters Merkel, the IMF, the World bank, and the EU, Greece will not return to prosperity.
You must get as well give GD a go, after all they do not propose dictatorship.
>>73677953
No but he looks like one
>pic related
>aren't all greeks turks
pls no
>>73678014
Independent greeks are ok
or the national front
>>73678101
Let me get this straight. You arab looking shitskins consider yourselves white?
This guy is pretty based http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHF_2sfs6bk
>>73678168
Can you stop with the retarded memes for a second?
Of course some here do race mix, but no one has ever been raped by a turk and just stayed Greek, the ottoman army made its' soldiers marry the women they had sex with.
There are of course people that don't look that white, but they're not complete niggers and they're a small percentage
Stop being such a faggot.
>>73678457
They are not complete niggers just like turks aren˙t
but the average greek still looks like a sadnigger.
Deal with it. Your country is as white as US.
>>73678707
Have you seen any real turks?
If you're talking about western turks, then be sure that especially the ones living in coasts, are muslim greeks
Independent Macedonia!
bumps
also they want to become allies with russia but I bet russia would just say no, who would like to be allies with them. seriously
>>73677696
>failed leaders
yeah that just about sums up fascism
>>73677596
GD is a bad joke
>>73677596
>Golden Dawn
I thought this party was a meme? Isn't the "golden dawn" also the name of some degenerate nu-male thing where the woman urinates on your face? lmao
>>73677596
Thats a really fucking swastika
>PAY DENBTS
>>73678870
is this a real greek
>>73680519
that's an albo
>>73679714
>randlet
Opinion discarded.
>>73680519
are all paok fans albanians?????
>>73680753
LOL yes
>>73680753
Nope, average paok fans are immigrants from the black sea (they think they are Pontic Greeks) that speak russian and georgian and are crack addicts
>>73677596
How dare they demand a Greece for Greeks. They should accept their replacements, the new Islamic Greek people.
>>73680753
no most are bulgarians but this one...
he reeks of albania
>>73681005
top Hlithios
>>73677596
>they praise hitler which destroyed Greece
??? you sound like a shill
>>73681296
Typical Butthurt greek... Muh ancestors
>>73681296
Yeah because Hitler wanted to help Greece so badly right?
Fuck off, you're the only shill here
>>73681560
that wasnt even his point...
>>73681926
then what was
>>73681419
>butthurt
how
>Hitler wo destroyed Greece
>Thank god Britain liberated us so all refugees can go through our country and we can be part of the EU
>>73679714
>We need a small government but that doesn't mean we don't need big black dick in tight white vagina
>>73682081
"no problem guys, we'll just conquer your country, give half of it to the italians and bulgarians and then we'll cause a famine that will kill all your people"
kill yourself
>>73681005
redpill me on greek football. what is the real greek team
>>73682209
>Thank god we can have Dodecanese, Thessalonika AND refugees welcome
>>73677596
What we need is a true right-wing nationalist party.
Golden Dawn are more street thugs than they are political party.
Also, a fun fact: I live in a bad area of Athens (Patthsia). I've heard alot about GD beating up pakis, indians and other similar shitskins.
But I've never seen or heard anything about GD beating up any of the real niggers. They only beat up the short, malnourished ones.
>>73682224
Olympiakos
>>73682294
>keeps greentexting
wew, stop already
>>73682303
yes
we need to find one fast too, because the right-wing is rising in europe too
>>73678707
we are much whiter than US
>>73680519
he is not a greek ,looks like albanian
malakas
Good luck my fellow turk brothers.
>>73681560
greece was a british puppet and got what she deserved
>>73682303
i dont think they beat anyone ,they are afraid of jail,its just leftist memes
>>73683007
why turks cant even fight?
Are Olympiakos the only based football team in Greece?
I know that Panathinaikos are Antifa cucks
>>73683193
both have their antifa cucks but yes i think olympiakos has the most nationalists
>>73682294
We collaborated with you
we wanted to ally you
metaxas was always pro-german
you betrayed us
krauts, not even once
>>73678101
Independent Greeks are okay?
Are you fucking kidding me? They're governing the country alongside leftist traitors, are you retarded?
Apart from street thugs, GD has some truly educated people among their ranks, check out:
Μιχαλης Αρβανιτης
Αιβατιδης
>>73684096
>You betrayed us
Don't ally England next time
>>73684257
>being this ignorant
Metaxas hated the brits you faggot
He even refused their help when the italians attacked us
He ended up being assassinated by them
>Do we really want a fat loser turk to lead our country?
Said it all.
the answer is no.
>>73677596
Why was the old flag with the cross alone changed?
Also greeks are based, pic related.
>>73684257
>>73684438
He is right. England played a major role both in ww2 and the greek civil war afterwards.
They kinda saved us from communism though.
>>73684667
Τhat post I was meant to make in a while
heard it from based plevris first.
And the old flag with just the cross was changed because the king left, no need for the crown flag anymore, the republic was formed, that means new flag.
>>73684766
Sorry for being such a metaxaboo, but metaxas hated communism. Sure the anglos helped us in the civil war, I'm grateful for that, but that happened after ww2.
England just triggered germany to come and rape us.
>>73677596
Golden Dawn is a good party. I support them. I like that they support eugenics and an ethno-centric market economy, with voting rights limited to landowners. I like that they have a eurosceptic program, and I also like that they want to strengthen the outer european borders.
>>73677596
>greece
>white
>>73677596
>Do we really want a fat loser turk to lead our country?
You already have them in Constantinople and half of Cyprus, why stop there? :^)
>>73685112
>sweden
oh sweden, you're either a complete cuck, or you're a complete nazi
>>73685134
>france of all saying this
top kek
Soon
>>73685175
ι αμ τερντ ον
>>73684967
>Sorry for being such a metaxaboo
You are the Metaxas embassador in /pol. No prob though, he was a pretty descent leader.
The ones that triggered germany into attacking greece actually were the axis' niggers. aka Italy, albania and bulgaria which were unable to invade ( ypswma 731, fort roupel) and forced hitler to invade.
Hitler himself stated that he din't want an open front in the south, or a strong resistance, while he invaded the ussr.
Is Greece safe to visit?
>>73685472
This, the faggot in our case was Mussolini, cause he thought we would be a walk in the park -and in theory we should be, Greece was liberated less than 100 years, had no industies and the bare minimum weaponry.
>>73685726
Yes, the kebabs here are not on the loose and they are afraid to start shit. You see the "right wing death squad nazi fascists of golden dawn" meme has kept in check the illegals. That, and a few beatings that they got when they thought it was entirely a meme
>>73685726
Yes it is just dont go to concentration camps
>>73685737
we need foreign investments or some shit
we need to create our own industries
anything
just
fuck
>>73685726
дa
>>73685737
>and in theory we should be, Greece was liberated less than 100 years, had no industies and the bare minimum weaponry
Exactly.
We are still far behind in heavy industry, which, in my opinion, is causing our economic problems (beside corruption in state workers and the political system) (not implying that bankers are the most vile leach in world economy)
>>73685431
I have fapped 16 times to this
>>73685726
Yes, went last summer with a friend and it was the best travel I ever had, and I have been to a shit ton of places.
>>73685940
>>73685884
In case you haven't realised yet, we are as industrialized as we were in 1940. The fucking socialists (Pasok and all the retarded lefties) are to blame, everything whent to the shitter in the late 80s, that's when big prominent and exportive industries started to shut down cause of commies hijacking workers syndicates and starting strikes all the fucking time.
AND WE STILL VOTED A FUCKING MARXIST INTO OFFICE FOR FUCKS SAKE
>>73677596
>sees flag
stop wasting your time on /pol and start working to pay denbts
>>73677596
At least you have a nationalistic party. And so does America and UK and everywhere else, not here.
>>73677596
>Do we really want a fat loser turk to lead our country
He's from mani,the first region that declared war on the turks.Do you really think they are turks as well?
We are mediterranean,not some pale-skinned cuck faggots,posing as master race.
>If we do close our borders, It'd have to be diplomatically, otherwise the EU is going to sanction us to death.
Nice try commie.Everyone else is closing their borders but we can't because of "muh sanctions".Are you EU's bitch?
>>73686203
Can you really call the American Republican Party nationalist though?
The only nationalist in that shitstain of a party is Donald Trump.
>>73686127
Absolutely true.
I will just add that the center-right partiy called "nea dimokratia" is also to blame.
>>73678101
>independent greeks are ok
Do you even realize they just kinda forgot about EVERY SINGLE one of their ideological beliefs and virtues and voted for the 4th Memorandum just to stay in power with Syriza?
You been living under a rock m8? Did you fall for Kammenos's army attire theatrics?
>>73686270
The sad reality is that we are.
Need to escape that.
>>73686270
No, but we're in the same position as Italy right now.
If we close borders, no one will help us. They'll leave the refugees here and we'll get sanctioned to death. That's not good, that is extremely detrimental. Our economy is already going to shit, we dont want to make it further shit. Reminder that just sanctions have crippled Russian economy, imagine what will happen to us.
>>73686383
Mate I was just trying to list some nationalist parties, that came in mind.
there's nothing wrong with nazism
golden dawn is just retarded, even if you're a national socialist you shouldn't support single digit IQ morrocans
>>73686383
>Did you fall for Kammenos's army attire theatrics?
Was serving while his term.
Couldn't say anything about his banana republic type of behavior.
Our parliament is a total joke. The only one i appreciate is leventis.
>>73677596
how about anons from greece make attempts to get into politics?
>>73677596
>These guys really take it to the extreme. If we do close our borders, It'd have to be diplomatically, otherwise the EU is going to sanction us to death.
Do you even realize that Tsipras and Tasia created this European migrant crisis?
Are people this fucking clueless?
Syriza are GLOATING that they opened the borders to save illegal immigrants.
They are TELLING YOU themselves they created the refugee weave by opening the borders and handing out privileges to illegals.
No no, they aren't just implying it. I'm not saying it because I'm opposed to Syriza.
THEY ADMIT IT AND THEY ARE PROUD OF IT.
And yet retarded greeks just don't fucking get it.
>>73686420
Ally with Russia,China etc. and everything goes away.Fuck the EU,fuck USA and fuck the west in general.They are all going to become islamic nations before too long.
>>73685737
>mfw we didn't even have planes or tanks
>>73686587
>leventis
/leventis/
>>73686573
why would we worship germans
>>73686348
>nea dimokratia
>right
kek, they are neoliberals, that's dead center. They did nothing to kill socialism, all they preached was "privatize everything" so they could sell out assets and monopolies for less than their yearly turnover to their buddies. They are as traitorous as pasok, they need to burn too
The problem with Greece is this: WE DON'T HAVE A PROPER RIGHT-WING PARTY!
>>73686587
>The only one i appreciate is leventis.
The A.Papandreou wannabe who rushed to support Flampouraris, wanted a coalition with Syriza and who pretty much thinks Tsipras is a gud boi he didn do nuffin?
>>73686610
Before coming to /pol i thought based greeks didn't exist.
Just that.
>>73686679
national socialism is not related to germany
>EON propaganda
metaxas was a germanboo, we went with the allies just by luck
>>73686716
what would a proper right wing party look like?
>>73686716
Totally agree.
>>73685175
Who is that guy on the top left and why is Rhodos cucked by Italy/Turkey
>>73686679
Well it was literally triumph of the will against mussolini
>>73686666
Or a southern european alliance, once our economic problems are dealt with.
We could control the whole mediterranean sea.
>>73677596
Syriza is shit.
Let's not even talk about KKE
Pasok can go to hell
ND brought us here they can fuck themselves.
Independent Greeks are sucking Tsipras's ass to stay in power.
Golden Dawn are stupid thugs posing as politicians, whose only good asset is that they are the only real right wing party.
Who the fuck is left to vote for?
Λοιπον μαλαkες τι θα ψησιφετε στις ερχομενες εkλογες του kαλοkαιριου; Ο τσιπρας εμεινε απο μαλαkιες αρα βλεπω να την kανει α λα Οθων.Ο kουλης ειναι η πιο σταθερη επιλογη, αλλα δεν kανουμε για τετοια.Προτεινω Χρυση Αυγη ή kαι Λεβεντη για να αποkτεισουν kαρkινο οι εχθροι της χωρας.
how can you stupid greek nationalist have nostalgia for the Colonels' rule priod?
It was a fascist dictature, all the best people from your country had to flee as REFUGEES from greece and they came to Italy or Germany.
best artists had to leave
why are you so cucked that you want dictatorship again?
>>73686978
Democracy is the system where you vote for the people that you hate the least, so…
>>73686716
>right
Buzzword.
What we need is a free-market, capitalist party which is also quite nationalistic.
Privatizing shit IS THE WAY TO GO because politicians need to have less influence to the economy.
We're here because they public sector burst its lending bubble.
Our economic system is the 44th less free-market system in Europe.
We need MORE capitalism LESS socialism.
More FREE MARKET, less STATISTS
but also
Less ILLEGAL refugees MORE conservative people.
We need to have money to have political influence in our region. Even fucking Fyrom is beating us at this game.
tl;dr Money and nation is literally everything in this global game.
You get money through the free market and nation through nationalists.
>>73686889
it's eleftherios venizelos
>>73686999
Nea Dimokratia
>>73687081
>more conservative people
Too late for that.We're importing the modern "european values" about muh altruism and humanity.Now that faggots are legalised God knows what's next
>>73686827
Nothing like any party that there is in place at the moment
A proper right wing party should:
>reduce taxes for buisinesses to 12% because Ireland atm has 15% and we need to fuck them over
>reduce taxes even further for exportive businesses that produce goods here so we can get industries back
>cut all goldenbois and public sector workers wages to 1% lower than the private sector counterparts, if you are working for the public, you are public servant, not a professional getting the most bang for your buck
>deport all illegals immediately, even those who got "Greekfied" by pasok in the 90s
>root out the marxist cancer from education
that's pretty much it
>>73686889
that's eleftherios venizelos and this map is The Great Greece as imagined in the early 1900's when italy was our ally in ww1 so we couldn't have Rhodos
>>73687032
The thing is, we'll be in very deep trouble if we vote for GD. Imagine the impact our relations with foreign countries would have if we vote for GD.People hate us already, they'll hate us even more if we elect them which won't be very good.
>>73685726
No come here instead, we love ruskies ^_^
>>73686679
>>73686736
Leventis was the one that proposed:
>To start firing state workers that don't work (and you know that the public sector has a major problem with that.)
>To start industrializing the country(thus creating jobs)
>To cut the pensions that exceede 1500 euros and raise the ones that are below (we have elderly eating from trash bins)
These are legit proposals to get the economy going, which should be our nr. 1 priority. And if you disagree are either a retard, or a state worker paid 3000 euros to not work.
>>73686978
ND and PASOK followed a socialist, statist regime that brought us here, yes.
They followed this regime for 31 years (PASOK) and then 9 years (ND).
But the irony is that the continuation of their regime is now Syriza.
It's Syriza that is the spiritual successor of the old ND and PASOK. Statist and socialist as fuck.
The current ND turned slightly towards the Free Market which is why they were voted out of governance.
Our political system is what ruined us for 40 years indeed, but Greek people are perpetually in support of it, no matter who is at power.
As long as Syriza won't follow statism and socialism, they are out.
Greeks want free shit, that's all there is to it.
>>73686666
nice devil quints
but you're wrong
right-wing nationalist parties are rising all over Europe.
No, we won't "fuck" the US
Russia won't do shit wiht us, they can't save us. Remember what happened with Serbia? They expected Russia to come and save them and they got screwed over.
>china
wew get out
>>73686827
Metaxas was a germanboo because they had similar ideologies.
If he saw the current situation he would hate them.
>what would a proper right wing party look like?
Well not being thugs and looking like loud turks would be good for starters
>>73686889
>whole of turkey annexed
lolno, we don't want that
And that's Venizelos
>>73686978
National front?
>>73687002
I'm waiting for people here to tell their thoughts about this.
>>73687032
we hate GD more.
>>73686999
Leventis it is
>>73687081
This so much.
The free market WILL fix it. (no lmao)
We have to make it easier to start a small business here, we need more entrepreneurs, this... this is what's going to make Greece great again.
The commie system should be left behind because it clearly does not work and is just fucking us over.
>>73687220
then we must stop it
επιστρεφω σε λιγο, παω να παρω σουβλαkι
>>73687081
>Privatizing shit IS THE WAY TO GO
kek, that's why OPAP the fucking monopoly of lottery was sold less than it's yearly turnover, right? Get the fuck outta here memester.
You need harsh laws for corruption (i.e. immediate confiscation of all assets) and NO IMMUNITY FOR POLITICIANS.
You need monopolies working for the government because in that way you can reduce actual taxes.
Why should a private business have access to a monopoly? Are you retarded?
Also, look at Germany, do you think they have privatized anything? Ote was a bad bad bad monopoly, better let Deutsche Telekom take over. Those airports? They are bad too, better let frapport (half private half public sector) take over
ARE YOU STUPID? YOU FELL FOR THE CRONIES MEME FAGGOT!
>>73687556
then keep foreign businesses out
>>73687264
i mostly agree on the taxes part.
public sector workers -might- be getting more than they deserve, i cannot say, but claiming lowering the public sector jobs and salaries will get us out of the crisis is fucking retarded.
guess i agree with the illegals as well, although we need to focus on the cause (NATO interventions) and not on the symptoms. most arabs are better than ONNED drunk club-goers who listen to arabic tsifteteli and then bitch about how immigrants ruin our culcha.
im a marxist so the last point seems void to me. the only discrimination in education is the liberal one, also dont forget how ethnocentric our school history books are and how conservatard our religion classes at school are
>>73687081
>>73687556
If the public sector was healthy privatizing them would be madness.
Problem is that it's not.
I choose cleaning up the public sector instead of privatizing though.
>>73687662
>the only way for foreign investors to come, is if we give them monopolies for free
waaaaaaat? You lower your taxes, you have a pretty decent infrastructure and you have a major port that can get them here.
>>73687385
No, they are not, they are just proposals from an individual that does not comprehend the economy or the capitalist system.
We need to make a powerful private sector and we need to demonize communism and every ideologicy that stems from Marxism.
Firing public workers, industrializing the country and cutting pensions is just the tip of the iceberg.
It's like seeing a building caught on fire and proposing squirting it with a water gun but not proposing shutting down the gas leak.
We need to tackle the basic ideological cause for our condition and that's marxism, statism and socialism.
Politicians that don't state this and just propose superficial shit like Leventis WILL join statist ideology sooner or later.
>>73687556
You know nothing about economics.
All the problems you realize in your posts STEM from the public sector and the statist ideology.
Monopolies stem from marxism.
Monopolies don't work for the government, they control the government.
You have absolute zero knowledge.
We need true greeks back
>>73687002
we have nostalgia but we don't another one...besides our army doesn't have the influence to pull something like that through again..all the artists that had to leave were commies and who cares about them...the thing is the dictators were the only ones who actually did good stuff to improve our country...truth be told it was the only government who wasn't complete idiots
Its funny to see 5 greeks arguing in english
Haahahahahah re malakes
>>73687943
>Monopolies stem from marxism
only on /pol/
get the fuck out kid
Hitlerboos aren't nationalist. They are just German bootlickers, out of touch with reality. They don't love their natiom, they love their simplistic and idealized version of Germany.
>I'm an X nationalist but I love German radical nationalist who held Germans to be supreme nation
top kek
>>73687731
>public sector workers -might- be getting more than they deserve, i cannot say, but claiming lowering the public sector jobs and salaries will get us out of the crisis is fucking retarded.
They are way more than they generate. Public sector in greece is the prize for licking balls of politicians -or just having them in your expanded family.
So let me tell you how cutting public sector workers sallaries could help the economy: with the newly surplus you can now hire most of all unemployed people for strictly €500/ month working 8 hours 5 days.
How does this help? Assuming that you have kicked out illegals and you have cut taxes.
If you have already cut taxes, you now have one incentive for businesses to hire more people. But because buissneses can be faggots, they won't give out any decent salary. So what do you do? You limit the workforce offer. If a business wants to hire someone for 500 euros and have him working 12 hours, he will just get a public sector drone job that's allways 9 to 5 (or 8 to 4 to be exact), so businesses need to offer MORE to have access to the workforce. And since they are paying less taxes, they are more than able to do it
Paid opposition deliberately created to make Greek Nationalism look bad, you're better off by forming a new nationalist party.
>>73688135
Yeah you're pretty much wrong there mate. "They simply love their simplistic and idealized version of Germany" what is this utterly retarded shit supposed to mean? Germany is no Utopia, Hitler tried to fix that like every other normal person would making him sort of ideal.
>>73687827
He stated that its important to take the weight off of the private sector workers, because its the public sector that is corrupt.
This seems to me that he wants a strong private sector too.
>We need to tackle the basic ideological cause for our condition and that's marxism, statism and socialism.
That is totally true. Again, though, that ideological cause is mostly found in the public sector.
>>73688281
Yes
>>73687943
Kek you have no idea of what you are talking
Some monopolies help maintain sovereginity my ONNEDiths friend. EYDAP and DEH for example. And they are about to get privatized as well.
Also monopolies do give out goods or services on the expensive side, exactly because they are monopolies. This way the extra revenue comes to augment the lower taxes you stupid faggot.
USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN.
Also, do you really think that economist say anything while regarding a factor called "how to maintain a sovereign country"???? No, they look at numbers. Well newsflash faggot, a country ISN'T NUMBERS
>>73688281
this
don't go to tirana in 2027
>>73687556
Who gives a fuck about turnover.
First you get rid of unproductive public sector corporations which became unproductive because the CEOs gamble tax money which they don't give a shit about.
Second, you get rid of political influence in the economy which is the reason behind stupid as shit regulations which create monopolies.
Turn-overs don't mean shit, we might as well sell most of the corrupted public companies for free.
>>73688172
We are paying cruel taxes while we work hard as fuck to keep those lazy retards producing nothing (this doesn't apply to all of them) in their comfy ""jobs"".
we need to get rid of that. Won't save us, but its a first step.
>>73688044
Which countries have more monopolies, capitalistic ones or socialist ones?
>>73688414
>Some monopolies help maintain sovereginity my ONNEDiths friend. EYDAP and DEH for example.
It'll be hilarious seeing you trying to back this up.
>>73688522
>You have absolute zero knowledge.
>Who gives a fuck about turnover.
Ok you are less than 20. But just to humor you
>First you get rid of unproductive public sector corporations which became unproductive because the CEOs gamble tax money which they don't give a shit about.
What did i said in my previous post? Implement harsh laws for corruption and CUT THE GOLDEN-BOYS SALARIES (and bonuses for that matter), WHEN YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE PUBLIC YOU ARE A FUCKING PUBLIC SERVANT.
>Turn-overs don't mean shit, we might as well sell most of the corrupted public companies for free.
Yeah, turnovers mean shit, as well as infratructure right? Just sell OSE for 1 euro, right?
USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN KID
>>73687264
we'll just lower or taxes for businesses to 11% faggots
>>73687731
>i'm a marxist
>>73687731
>I'm a marxist
>>73688726
Well think a little harder and it will come to you, faggot.
Would you like any faggot controling power or water in a sovereign country? Do you enjoy having DEH selling power in less-
than-cost-price to other power companies?
Seriously, go infront of a mirror, look at your image and laugh, and then slap yourself while you are at it
>>73688799
and we'll lower it to 10% faggots
>>73688771
>What did i said in my previous post? Implement harsh laws for corruption
What you don't get is that the public sector IS corruption.
>>73688771
>CUT THE GOLDEN-BOYS SALARIES
High salaries are good. Profit is good.
Wealth is good.
The problem is that they don't have a penalty for bad decisions. The public sector is risking YOUR money, so they don't have to be careful with it.
>>73688771
The need to get rid of any kind of connection between state and entrepreneurship is greater and more vital than any kind of turn over.
The public system doesn't produce money. It leeches money off until it kills the private sector.
In our case, this took from 1981 until 2009 to happen.
You are a statist cuck, that's why the idea that the public sector and political influence on the economy is INHERENTLY a bad thing seems so strange to you.
Sovereignty is completely irrelevant in all of this and is an epic meme for the public sector apologists to drool over.
>>73687264
Why is this post of yours so good but the rest of your sit so retarded
>>73689083
>Would you like any faggot controling power or water in a sovereign country? Do you enjoy having DEH selling power in less-
>than-cost-price to other power companies?
That's what happened with OTE.
The prices fell, the service quality went up and you get to choose from 5-6 companies if some of them decide to cuck you.
But if the government decides to implement a haratsi tax through DEI OR YOU LOSE YOUR ELECTRICITY seems perfectly healthy to you right?
A public monopoly AIDS SOVEREIGNTY right?
Test your theories against reality you big statist cuck and see how they fail.
Free market and competition aids sovereignty.
Public monopolies kill and enslave you and you have more than 200 years of history and examples to see this.
>>73689205
>What you don't get is that the public sector IS corruption.
True as fck
>>73688293
They literally take Nazi propaganda for reality. They have no idea what is German culture like, or how diverse it is.
That's what I meant by simplistic.
>>73689205
>What you don't get is that the public sector IS corruption.
That's why you implement THE HARSHEST FUCKING LAWS. You stole 1.000 euros? You lose your house and car. See if anyone dares to do anything
>High salaries are good. Profit is good. Wealth is good.
Agreed, but not for public sector. For private businesses, i'm absolutely with you.
>The problem is that they don't have a penalty for bad decisions. The public sector is risking YOUR money, so they don't have to be careful with it.
Again, harsh laws and public SERVANT mentality on public servants.
>The need to get rid of any kind of connection between state and entrepreneurship is greater and more vital than any kind of turn over.
complete and utter bollocks m8. You still don't get my mindset, ill explain it further down
>The public system doesn't produce money. It leeches money off until it kills the private sector.
What i am proposing is the transition from a services oriented economy to an actual productive economy, i'll elaborate
>In our case, this took from 1981 until 2009 to happen.
No, it actualy took from Karamanlis senior to 2009
>You are a statist cuck, that's why the idea that the public sector and political influence on the economy is INHERENTLY a bad thing seems so strange to you.
You are the cuck. Do not forget the principals that foreign economists have in their minds. What is optimum for central european countries or USA isn't optimum for us. You are myopic as fuck
>Sovereignty is completely irrelevant in all of this and is an epic meme for the public sector apologists to drool over.
and now you went full retard. I will elaborate on next post cause word-limit
>>73685134
>france talking shit about someone else
KEK
Consider suicide pelase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNmm4D3HPj0
You guys are truly the shame of Europe...you make Swedes look like alpha males
>>73689581
>big statist cuck
are you an anarchist?
I really hate the Golden Dawn, but I'm still voting for them because I hate them the least.
Fuck Golden Dawn though.
>hurr durr we should recognize Palestine cause we hate Jews
>hurr durr we are not antisemitic even though we have used the word "Jew" as an insult
>hurr durr we will attack reporters 30 seconds into the interview, force them to stop the interview and then cry about not being represented in the media
>hurr durr we will deny the Nazi past of this party even though we used to produce newspapers glorifying Hitler and his swastika on the front page
>hurr durr we are not sieging heil, we are greeting each other like Romans used to
>hurr durr we will have our most respected member throw a glass of water and punch 2 ladies at a morning show
How the mighty have fallen... I would definitely support a nationalist faction with calmer and smarter individuals though. Like Plevris.
Τάιμ του μουβ το γρις.
>>73689859
Agreed.
Plevris is completely based
too bad he's too old now
>>73689924
With the power of the global greeks we can do alot. But if people just leave and then treat Greece like a vacation spot slowly filling with non Greeks the nation is fucked.
>>73689845
I am ideologically anarcho-capitalist or libertarian.
In reality I'm more of a Thatcher kind of guy.
Thing is I want the state to be powerful and punish corporations for breaking the law, but I don't want the state to be involved in any kind of market enteavor with MY tax money unless we're talking about the bare minimum, like roads etc.
>>73689859
>Implying you're annexing the south and not the opposite is happening.
>>73690047
Chill out with the anarcho-capitalist shit
otherwise, libertarian here
>>73681005
>via 9gag
>>73690018
Unfortunately the Greek people is self destructive and self hating. This nation is doomed, not because of the jews or the new world order, or whatever. But by their own people. Through the ancient times, we never sticked together. We always fought each other, and we still do that.
I've also heard, that Greek diaspora gives hard time to the new Greek immigrants instead of helping them, and make them work like slaves for just a piece of bread
We could have become one of the strongest nations in the world, but instead we completely fucked ourselves. Now there is no hope left.
>>73690268
this
fuck ourselves
>>73677953
Nice try Slovakia
>>73690117
skanderberg would be turning on his grave if he knew that you would end up converting to islam and arranging marriages with t*rks.
>b-bu, we are actually atheist
no you are not, fuck off. you may be secular due to hoxha, but your ancestors still converted to islam in the past, and your shithole is stilled filled with mosques on every street.
>>73689711
>What i am proposing is the transition from a services oriented economy to an actual productive economy, i'll elaborate
You are making the public sector be the centre of this transition and when confronted with the fact that the public sector is inherently corrupted, you just propose stricter laws.
People WILL break the law, unless they have no profit in doing so.
Minimizing the public sector in the market, reduces the amount of damage the political factor will do to the economy.
People WILL break laws, no matter how strict they are. Besides, motivation for profit and business advancement cannot be a penalty.
It needs to be MONEY. Since the public deals with MY money, no matter how strict the rules are, I'll inevitably lose money.
A private business doesn't touch my money, unless I choose to give it to them. That's the main difference and how the Non Aggression Principle gets applied in reality.
>>73690336
Yeah man, I hate Greece.
Not because I'm antifa, or anarchist...but because Greek people are so fucking stupid and ignorant.
>>73690362
Skanderbeg himself was a Muslim until 1443 when he needed the support of the West.
>>73690568
he was just pretending to be retarded so that he could meme the ottomans by surprise.
>>73690553
>i hate greece
wew, now you're part of the problem
>>73677596
Ok so vote left and be fucking happy with it.
>>73689295
And now i elaborate
This post that you like, is my economic principals who are frankly the same as yours. I want free market, i want this market to be the engine of my economy BUT i cannot overlook the sovereginity factor.
EU is a meme and it will fall. We are the least prepared country for that. That's why you need to have your countermeasures implemented even if they are never needed.
What you don't get is this: i am elaborating on how realistically a services-oriented economy can transition to an actual productive economy within the current state of affairs. If you stay on "cut this cut that cut everything" without forcing somehow the private sector to step up, they are gonna take advantage of the cuts to keep more profits. Look at Mitsotakis term and you will understand (although i bet you were infant if you were even born back then).
I sure as hell i don't want the public sector to be the entrepreneur. I want the public sector to control what's deemed as the absolutely nessecary, meaning: water, power, railroads, ports and airports. The key infrastructure of soveregnity.
Also i want the public sector not giving out any extreme renumeration packages, while giving no slack to corruption. I want anyone working in public sector to try and make a name for himself (in middle to upper management) so if at some point wants to make bank, he would have something huge in his CV (i.e. a CEO getting paid peanuts -compared to private sector CEOs- leading an organization to prosperity, well this guy would get hired in any private company for 20 times the wage he was getting).
In 2 words our difference is this : you stay on the principals while i am stating actual policies that could get us to our goal while maintaining sovereignity -which for whatever retarded reason, you disregard it.
It's Trumpian thinking vs Thatcherian thinking essentialy
>>73690618
>Implying
>>73689859
I see absolutely no problem with any of those things. Stop being a faggot shill
>>73690268
This is kindergarten shit.
Even in a family, where self-sacrifice is a given, people expect some kind of profit (emotional most of the time) for their sacrifices.
We're a nation of GIBS ME DAT and we think we're supposed to just give our shit to lazy fucks just because they believe in Marx's bullshit and how me keeping my stuff for me and family is greedy but them stealing my shit through the government is noble and generous.
The only problem with Greeks is SOCIALISM, whether it's expressed through nationalistic parties (golden dawn) or just marxists.
We need to understand that profit and capitalism is not inherently bad and it's what drive people to advance.
>>73690721
It's not that simple.
it's way more complicated than you think and it's stupid to just say "vote left".
We hate the left
fuck off
>>73690777
sweden get out
we won't take advice from anyone especially you
>>73690778
This, so fucking much
We've been indoctrinated for long by marxist ideologies and we've taken a very wrong turn to the left. I wonder how this happened though.
Greeks just like to think that "we wuz philosophers n sheeit" and that whenever they think something is right, it is right.
>>73690369
>You are making the public sector be the centre of this transition and when confronted with the fact that the public sector is inherently corrupted, you just propose stricter laws.
Hey Sherlock, in case you haven't noticed the public sector IS at the very center of the economy. That's UNDENIABLY the current state of affairs. What i propose is just reversing it's role from a force of destruction to a force of maintenance.
>People WILL break the law, unless they have no profit in doing so.
Not if you lose everything for the smallest offence. Think Draconian laws
>Minimizing the public sector in the market, reduces the amount of damage the political factor will do to the economy.
Kek, so you think that water and power is our centerpiece of our economy? Get real m8
>People WILL break laws, no matter how strict they are. Besides, motivation for profit and business advancement cannot be a penalty.
No, the motivation isn't a penalty, the motivation is proven work ETHICS in each manager's CV. I explained it on my previous post
>It needs to be MONEY. Since the public deals with MY money, no matter how strict the rules are, I'll inevitably lose money.
Power and water have nothing to gamble on. It's just maintaining the network, wtf are you talking about?
>>73678707
They're a European country mate, and alot of our western ideals come from them
Fuck off, I can see through your trolling, but the Greeks are notoriously easy to troll, you'd be better off with a challenge like trying to troll an Aussie.
>>73690747
>I sure as hell i don't want the public sector to be the entrepreneur. I want the public sector to control what's deemed as the absolutely nessecary, meaning: water, power, railroads, ports and airports. The key infrastructure of soveregnity.
Ok but why should the public sector have a monopoly over these things?
Why shouldn't I have a choice between 10 electric companies?
Why is it better if my only choice a single public DEH instead of a multitude of companies, with whatever percentage of them being either public or private?
Our problem is that you support public monopolies, not principle vs actual policies.
You state that a public monopoly is necessary due to sovereignty but you just disregard we already opened the market with OTE and we didn't lose any sovereignty.
Since 1981 we followed a statist, socialist economic model.
At this point in time, we have no control of our borders, we depend on EU nations to lend us money to survive, NATO is controlling the Aegian, FYROM police is actively overstepping boundaries, Italy is active in the Albanian border and Turkey has infringed on our borders more times than ever before. Not to mention a TURK is responsible for controlling illegal immigrants IN OUR COUNTRY.
So if you think the public sector which went bankrupt and destroyed this country actually helps our sovereignty, you are plainly a big fucking retarded dumbfuck and you are the delusional one, not me.
>>73690950
>MUH SOCRATES 2000 YEARS AGO
>BUT WE GAVE BIRTH TO DEMOCRACY
I can't stand this. I really can't. The worst insult to a nation is to be praised on what your ancestors did and rely on only that. It's really stupid when you sit on your ass and remember the good old ancient times, while doing nothing to make your future better. I think this is the worst thing with Greece today. The moment we rid of this ideology is the moment and work for a better future is the moment we can start progressing.
I honestly feel like we have no future, it's really sad. I see the people my age and they are all fucking degenerate not giving a shit about the future of this country. How do we fix this?
>>73687410
ΣΒΗΣΤΟ...δεν αντέχω να αkούω τόσο πιkρές αλήθειες
>>73677596
They are retarded. No finesse no rhetoric skills , nothing. Απογοήτευση
>>73691355
>have 10 companies control an entire nation's power infastructure
that is a stupid idea
>FYROM
FYROV*
>>73691209
>No, the motivation isn't a penalty, the motivation is proven work ETHICS in each manager's CV. I explained it on my previous post
The motivation must be profit.
When was the last time some successful billionaire stated "well I made billions just because wanted more of dem work ethics".
Unless you want to create a country full of 11 million managers of course.
>>73691414
Πόσο χρόνων είσαι ρε?
>>73691474
>>73691483
come back pls
>>73679632
Why not though?
I mean, from a moral standpoint, they're allied with Assad who is a Ba'ath, a kind of Arab Nazi-influenced party, so there should be no problem with Russia allying with Golden Dawn.
Plus, they both hate the EU, and Greece's prime location as an ally allows them to have footholds in both the Mediterranean region as well as a foothold against the Turks.
Plus, you're both Orthodox, and you both hate the Turks at this point, and ever since Novorossiya unfortunately met its end, Putin's been itching for a fight, so maybe you could have a new Crusade to retake Constantinople as a Greek/Russian protectorate if the Turkroaches ever step out of line.
I see no reason why this would be a bad thing. Plus, if Greece leaves the EU to ally with Russia, Russia could use it as a point to encourage other people agitated with the EU to leave, like Britain. It could also use it as a point to encourage those wanting to join the EU to ally with Russia instead
>>73691637
I certainly don't want all these beautiful things happening while these fags are in power
They're based
>>73682224
ΑΕΚ is the only choice. Loyal fans who never change teams, no cheating or setting up games. Olympiakos is shit and they cheat and buy the games
>>73691632
Είμαι 18 kαι δεν ξέρω πολλά για την πολιτιkή. Απλά έχω παρατηρήσει πως όλοι οι συνομήλιkοι μου είναι kαλοπερασάkιες που τα γραφουν όλα στα αρχίδια τους.
>>73691355
>Ok but why should the public sector have a monopoly over these things?
Because of the nature of the business. Power in Greece comes from lignite. There aren't enough lignite mining sites. Also the network was paid for by us. Why should a private company get to use it? They sure as hell won't give retrospectively any money for the network they will use.
It's absolutely free gibs and handouts to private investors, that's why.
>Our problem is that you support public monopolies, not principle vs actual policies.
I do because it's indirect taxation that could help us realize low nominal taxes, as well as the network was paid for by the Greek people. Unless someone buys their share of the network, they shouldn't be able to use it. As simple as that.
>You state that a public monopoly is necessary due to sovereignty but you just disregard we already opened the market with OTE and we didn't lose any sovereignty.
OTE didn't need to be sold to open the market. And OTE isn't in the very basics for sovereignity. Water and electricity is.
>[...] So if you think the public sector which went bankrupt and destroyed this country actually helps our sovereignty, you are plainly a big fucking retarded dumbfuck and you are the delusional one, not me.
You are beyond retarded m80. What the fuck has to do a traitorous government from the necessity of SOVEREGNITY? ARE YOU FUCKING 12? That's turbo maximum over-retard
>>73691735
Why do you dislike the Golden Dawn?
Sure, they go a little far, but when times get desperate so must the people.
Note i'm not necessarily a GD fanboy or anything, I just appreciate the fact that they can gain power and I like listening to their marches and march songs on youtube, I'm open minded
>>73691821
that is why they're based
Any other closet cucks here who are also natsocs?
>>73691953
>closet cucks
>natsocs
losers
get the fuck out of here
>>73691530
>>73691530
>that is a stupid idea
It doesn't need to be 10 but it's vital that it isn't 1.
It's also vital that THAT single company doesn't gamble MY tax money without any penalties whatsoever.
The free market (at least a vast amount more of it) is literally what's needed.
Your stance leads directly to crony capitalism.
>>73691632
No way im coming back mate, I have a life here, a wife who loves me, a future. Something they took away from me in Greece because they wanted free gib me dat
no goyim vote for the neo-nazi party and start killing turks on the streets
don't worry it won't end up in cyprus 2 : electric bogaloo :D
>>73691576
You still don't get it, do you? The only thing i said for employing the sad bastards was for forcing business (after you have got rid of illegals and lowered taxes) to pay actual salaries by artificially reducing workforce offer. After the transition the public sector drone jobs will become irrelevant.
But if you changed taxes to 15% tommorow and went for a job, do you really think that the employer would give you anything more than €500??????? Have you ever worked a day in your life kid?
>>73679714
franco and salazar ruled to their deaths and are still loved in their countries
>>73686173
>implying Greece wont need another 60-80 billion package this year or the next, but can't pay any denbts back while in the Eurozone and with still so much corruption
>>73692076
30 million Kurds would be more than happy to take advatange any roachish aggression.
Get RAID'ed
>>73691474
post your hot wife
>>73689732
>>73685172
You idiots release that's the alboriginal in france shitposting right?
>>73677596
This, GD is retarded
vote leventis instead
>worships venizelos, greatest greek ever since our liberation
>devout christian
>libertarian economics
>doesn't like illegals
>not corrupt
>has his own business
>warned us about PASOK and ND yet nobody believed him
He is basically a Ron Paul - Donald Trump mix
>>73692333
>alboriginal
topkek
>>73692339
>He is basically a Ron Paul - Donald Trump mix
>yet he calls AN.EL. extreme right wing
Wot? He's Potami with dimentia you stupid fucker
>>73687731
>im a marxist
>>73691919
You don't need more mines, just assign more private companies in charge of distribution. Whatever works.
I don't care what business model is involved, all I want is more choice. A free market where I have the choice NOT to give my money to people I don't want to.
>>73692508
thats pretty much /thread
i would like to know how many of you people have actually analyzed a bill of DEH (the greek electricity provider).
>>73692425
Name one party that's better than leventis.
just one.
>>73692508
You do realise that you are sperging out, right?
>You don't need more mines, just assign more private companies in charge of distribution.
The distribution network was paid for and got maintained by our taxes. And noone would buy-in on this network that costs literal billions of euros.
What would be better in your life if 2-3 more cronies got free enterprises with huge profit margins just because they were buddies with politicians?
I mean fuck, im proposing less taxes for everyone, cutting out the head of corruption and your only come-back is "i want more electricity companies because i will save 10 euros/month on the expense of my previously paid taxes"???
>>73692675
All parties are for the dick ride. Every single one of them. And noone has the balls to actualy give out policies that would get us out of the crisis, they just state retarded principals without giving out solutions. That's the tragedy in Greece
>>73687731
>most arabs are better than ONNED drunk club-goers who listen to arabic tsifteteli and then bitch about how immigrants ruin our culcha
Don't get me wrong DAPITES are quite bad but at least they don't commit crimes .They get smarter when they grow up. Arabs, especially muslim ones are pure scum and are costing the country millions right now, though I suppose we can't do much about that without pissing of europeans.
>>73692076
i mean, you probably also believe that you never supplied isis, so trying to engage is an argument with your species is pointless for the simple reason that you are not sentient.
killing you is really making you a favor.
>>73692567
Many times since for ever. It isn't DEH to blame, it's governments being incapable and trying to tax us even further, just indirectly. DEH itself isn't the problem m8
>>73692339
he's a loud fuck and dislikable
>>73692861
We just mentioned lots of sollutions that leventis proposed.
Go watch his speaches in the parliament.
>>73692675
He's overhyped because he predicted the chaos of statism without calling it out for what it is.
Leventis is not a libertarian. I supported his entrance in the parliament but as soon as he turned sweet cheeks towards Tsipras, he lost me.
You'll never see Leventis tackling marxism head on.
You'll see however someone like A. Georgiadis do it.
Even if ND has a way more corrupt history and is basically full of crony capitalists, it's the only party whose members actively call out marxism.
Besides that, the only other libertarian party is Tzimeros but he is not a politician.
A libertarian in Greece gets to choose either Tzimeros (I voted for him some years back) or ND.
Unfortunately I'm going with ND this time. As soon as they get in control, provided they do not fight against the destruction of marxist ideology, I'm not voting for them again.
>>73692953
Nobody is blaiming DEH, im blaiming the government
>>73693066
The guy is a fucking joke and a complete eurocuck. And without clashing with EU you can't get any of the lower taxes shit because they don't give a fuck about us.
>>73693077
Georgiades did a splendid job in both minister positions
should we make a backup thread
>>73692787
>What would be better in your life if 2-3 more cronies got free enterprises with huge profit margins just because they were buddies with politicians?
That I get the choice to not give my money to them if they choose to fuck me over. More importantly, that I can give my money to someone that offers me better service.
So simple.
>>73693217
Yea
>>73693077
Hell, even GD has called the destruction of our economy in the era of prosperity (early 2000s), noone should be hyped for that. It's just common fucking sense.
Btw there is one in ND that's actualy way beter than Georgiads, Fahlos Kranidiwths, but do not expect to get any serious position ever, the cronies won't let him
>>73693257
If they buy-in their share of the network, i have no complains.
Do you really think that they will buy-in though?
Protip: they absolutely fucking won't
>>73693077
ND had its chance governing and totally failed.
Nothing changed at all.
And please don't mention georgiadis, whatever his beliefs are his transition from hardcore LAOS member to ND is a retarded move*
*kolotoumpa
>as soon as he turned sweet cheeks towards Tsipras, he lost me.
when did he do that?
>You'll never see Leventis tackling marxism head on.
He referred to syndicalism as a problem though.
Continuation:
>>73693488
>>73693488
>>73693488
>>73677596
I am a #koulismissile now
Fucking shill
>>73693504
We aren't on 280 replies yet, what's the purpose?
>>73677596
Aside the cons of Golden Dawn it is a good start , assuming they wont push the whole nation from a cliff
>>73693573
it's fine
continue there
>>73693156
The EU is demanding reformations, not taxes.
Its our goverment that choses to impose taxes insted of cleaning up the public sector with the support of the IMF*
IMF = bankers = leeches
>>73693463
Leventis supported Flampouraris, that immediately descredited him in my eyes.
He is also in support of a coalition with Tsipras. At least he was a couple of months ago.
Georgiadis just went from LAOS to ND because the first went anti-memorandum while the second suddenly supported it.
He was pro-reform and pro-free market and still is. He is ideologically stable as far as I can tell.
>>73693349
>Kranidiwths
Didn't Mitsotakis kick him out because he said bad things about gay people ?
Mitsotakis is basically the generic cuckservative republican, not really big on him. Although he would be much better than Tsipras.
Also, how was georgiadis a good minister ? Everybody is hating on him, however all media are biased against him so I don't believe them. Some relatives who had some inside information told me that he did a great job as a minister of naval affairs but people don't seem to think to highly of his term as a health minister.
>>73693156
There are 4 parties involved in the "negotiations".
Tsipras, IMF, ECB and the commision.
Only Tsipras is FOR higher taxes.
>>73693650
Kek
Do you remember Samaras getting his shit pushed in when he tried to propose a bit lower taxes in '14? No, they don't want reforms, they want us to sellout our assets.
Did you see Germans buying troubled airports? No, they bought the most productive ones for a fraction of their actual cost
>>73679844
Rolling muh greekbro
>>73693748
>Didn't Mitsotakis kick him out because he said bad things about gay people ?
I have no idea m8, i have stopped watching the news for months, because everytime i see the news im this close to getting a stroke, or trying to get TNT to go full allahu ackbar on the fucking parliament. I just liked Kranidiwths politically, he is one of the last people not being absolute cuckservatives.
About Georgiadis, the word was that he was good as a minister of naval affairs, but it could be a meme as well.
>>73693824
The value of a business isn't low because some germans said so, it's low because that business fucked up and isn't valuable so our side can't convince anyone that their value is higher.
Privatizing the OLP launched 44 places in the global scale, and introduced tens of thousands of jobs.
This "MUH SOVEREIGNTY" shitposter needs to fuck off already.
Removing complete control from corrupted politicians doesn't harm sovereignty, it actually adds to it.
>>73694063
>The value of a business isn't low because some germans said so, it's low because that business fucked up and isn't valuable so our side can't convince anyone that their value is higher.
Kek of epic proportions. You actually have no idea what the fuck are you talking about. You are talking about the healthiest airports aside from Eleftherios Venizelos you stupid cuck. And all those airports have a fee to augment Eleftherios Venizelos essential buy-back
Get the fuck outta here kid. Go spout memes somewhere else
>>73693824
Either way the economic situation of this country is our bad voting choices and us allowing the state to not work the way it doesnt work.
That's the reason we are viewed as a nigeria tier shithole.
If you don't agree with such reformation wether the eu likes it or not just vote for nd/pasok/tsipras.
>>73692933
yeah worthless turks my friend, so come on try to commit another genocide :)))
>>73694397
>If you don't agree with such reformation wether the eu likes it or not just vote for nd/pasok/tsipras.
>he really thinks Leventomalakas is gonna clash with EU
Majority of the pics of white people these "greeks" keep posting are most likely assimilated groups of their neighbors.
>>73694589
you are putting words in my mouth right now and trying to insult my reliability as a person.
i bet you are a troll
>>73677596
>>73677596
>I am a nationalist, but GD are complete naziboos. Instead of praising Greek political figures, they praise hitler which destroyed Greece.
Impossible. Everyone knows Hitler is the Great Hero Of White People and SS LARPing is the way for the future, don't you read /pol/?
The fact that Golden Dawn doesn't rule yet depite massive economic crisis, international banker oppresion and literal criminal foreign invasion means they are completely autistic and inept.
Why do they all look like Gypsy Turks btw?
>>73695442
they dont look like gypsy turks , they look like mediterranean people although the top row middle guy looks he is from central turkey
>>73695442
Bc these are the ones with the "we waz kingz" gene.
>>73678870
>>73695092
On my mobile
When you write "wether the EU likes it or not" you are actually implying that Leventomalakas will clash with the Troika status quo. How did I put words in your mouth?
>>73698128
you don't seem to understand that the point isn't clashing with the eu, but fixing the economy.
>>73677696
needs a Franco/Primo de rivera Wojak for good measure.
>>73698580
You don't seem to understand that to fix the economy you absolutely need to cut taxes and the EU won't allow it, therefore you need to clash with them
