http://www.S M H.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/election-2016-qa-star-duncan-storrar-puts-a-human-face-on-the-budget-battle-20160509-goqc7d.html
(remove the spaces between the S M H, because gookmoot wont take down the baka filter)
>Q&A star Duncan Storrar puts a human face on the budget battle
>Duncan Storrar's appearance on Monday night's Q&A threw the post-budget back-and-forth into sharp relief. On national television, the 45-year-old father-of-two put a human face on a debate that had been little more than nebulous sound bites about "growth" and "fairness".
>What rich people call a milkshake and a sandwich – people at my end of the scale call that a meal for my family
>"People just have no idea what it's like for people like me," he told Fairfax Media after the program.
>Mr Storrar is a part-time truck driver with two daughters and a mental health issue. He earlier told Assistant Treasurer Kelly O'Dwyer he had spent his whole working life on the minimum wage, distilling a common critique of the budget to personal experience.
>"You're gonna lift the tax-free threshold for rich people," he said. "Why don't I get it? Why do they get it?"
>He was referring to the government's move to lift the upper end of the 32.5 cent tax bracket from $80,000 to $87,000 - saving $315 a year for people earning more than $80,000.
What does /pol/ think of this obvious upstanding citizen and his predicament?
>hurr gibsmedat
Sounds like a nigger.
>upstanding citizen
Do you mean welfare leech?
>>73672226
TRICKLE DOWN WILL FIX IT.
JUST LOOK AT HOW WELL IT WENT IN THE U.S.!!!!
>stupid cunt who ive seen 100 times on facebook since he was on qanda
>represents a great deal of australia's understanding of politics
>wants more gibs so he can buy food for his daughters but we all know he'd just spend it on smokes and truck stop food
should have been left to die as a child in my opinion mate
>>73672226
He works for minimum wage his whole life, yet he has two daughters. Can we gass this pale nigger?
>>73673233
I think one of the panel members in the show pointed out that he wouldn't actually pay any net tax because of the benefits he receives in addition to his minimum wage, but this, of course, has been ignored entirely.
>>73672226
>gets given money for nothing
>wastes it on shit instead of saving
>cries poor
>bleeding hearts libfags saying everyone should gibshimdat
>If you don't you have no compassion/intolerant/*insert insult here*
I hate this country sometimes.
How many of u arseholes make more than 80k? This cunt seems awwrite.
>>73673379
oh, the Australian mentioned that part as a "heartless ploy by a man wearing a tie worth more than Duncan's annual salary"
>>73673414
>>73673379
>>73673208
What you alt-right faggots are ignoring, is that he was not really the issue. Just another "battler" meme man.
The issue was the was our elite, our conservative elite, are pushing a one size fits all trickle down neo-liberal playbook to very complex issues.
If I was advising the LNP, firstly I would be telling them to NOT try and win this election, it is a poison chalice. Recession is unavoidable.
Secondly - DO NOT try and defend trickle down tax breaks, EVER. Do not twist and turn and mealy mouth excuses for a zombie idea.
All she had to do was acknowledge his pain and say they are working towards fixing it.
getting all Milton Friedman and defending the very notions that have train wrecked the U.S. is not going to win anything. It was a bad move.
>>73672226
>What does /pol/ think of this obvious upstanding citizen and his predicament?
Income tax is criminal and perpetuates this whole inane discussion between "us and them". Dialog is "why does so-and-so get this, and I don't", because everyone is competing to get money they already worked for BACK from the damn Government.
It applies to all levels. States compete at the fed level to try and get whatever "money" back to their constituents through whatever dumb pork barrel project they can get stuck in some completely unrelated bill that gets passed for no particular reason.
In one move the Federal Government got us all competing with eachother rather than competing with the Federal Gov. Everyone, at all levels, sucks that Federal tit.
And it isn't like all problems would be solved if Federal income tax were abolished, but damned if it wouldn't be one huge first step in right direction.
>>73673414
i hate this country's main stream of political opinions.
you know, the ones influenced by muh feels
>>73672226
this guy is disabled and works a low income job yet decides to have two children
he also complained about having to pay GST on everything he buys even though everyone pays the same as he does
he's just a bogan gibsmedat that thinks the world owes him something
he looks like he reeks of ciggies and bong water too
>>73673689
Bloody oath. Fucking sickens me that this is what elections and politics has been reduced to.
>>73672226
>battler
Can we please stop this meme?
>>73673636
thinking he's a bogan gibsmedat is "alt-right now"?
i didnt know it was edgy to champion personal responsibility
i do agree that a recession is coming though
>>73673796
you are so fucking un-australian!
repent and put a cricket bat in the air and pray to Hughsey for forgivness
>>73673636
that has fuck all to do with it. its annoying coz the cunt probably does fuck all and probably gets a shitload of neetbux for muh learning disabilities yet still wants more. hes a retard poof yet all of australia is congratulating him on having the capacity of a 10 year old
Is more than $87000 considered rich now?
Fuck that stupid tax bracket.
>80,000 - 180,000
>>73672226
ever since that lovely Q and A episode we all watched monday night ive seen this cunts face everywhere all over jewbook. the australian populace think hes some sort of hero and "knows more about economics than anyone on the panel", which holds true for the greens retard that was there
all of these sjws seem to be getting gst and income tax confused, it just shows how illiterate they are on the subject, although we all knew that anyway rofl
>>73673715
the sjw response to that is "everyone is entitled to have children (regardless of their financial background), are you trying to be an asshole or something? have some fuckin respect" followed by moralfagging to the end of time
>>73672226
here in the uk, lorry drivers for supermarket chains can earn well over 60k GBP per year if they put in the hours, what exactly is this dipshits problem?
>greens
oh i see
>>73673927
anyone who is working is considered rich
the socialist supporters of labor and greens would love to have the same tax brackets as FDR did in the states because muh bourgeois, muh 1%
While i don't particularly like this guy. I think the Liberals are fuckwits 90% of the time and only vote for them because Labor are fuckwits 95% of the time.
Trickle down economics is a fucking meme at this point and the liberals are going to get fucking creamed meaning because they pull retarded fuckbrained stunts like this shitpile i get another two terms of the fucking greenies and labour cucking my shit up.
THANKS BASED TONES YOU DID IT.
FUCK.
>>73673842
Look I wont defend him - I don't know his personal circumstances....
you can call him what you want - but the boom we just went through has caused a huge gulf in the economy, people like him HAVE fallen into the gap. I live in W.A. and the amount of homeless skyrocketed, WHILE we had a boom.
Explain to me how that is remotely fair, or decent?
House prices out the arse
personal debt out the arse
huge cost in everything
political cycle that is in a death spiral
This is only going to get worse now that the bubble has popped.
Personally I cannot wait, its what we deserve for voting for two major parties that suck the big australia, neo-liberal, mineral councils cock.
>>73673715
Yea right, people having children they can't support are the foundations of poverty and having a shitty country. Why can't smart successful people have more children.
I wonder what made him decide it would be a good idea to procreate not once, but twice, while employed as a part-time truck driver with mental health issues.
>>73673414
> didnt see a "gibs me dat"
> dude is getting long-donged by taxes
> "b-b-b-but everybody pays dem taxes
> making a fat tax break for the wealthy while the poor keep getting boned
explain this shit faggot.
and im not talking about just income taxes, im talking about sales taxes, VAT taxes, excise taxes, stamp taxes, payroll taxes etc etc etc
businesses (and business owners) dont pay goddamned taxes faggot, they get rolled down the hill onto the poor, taxing the poor again is just taxing them double .
a tax break for the bottom makes poor people's lives measurably better, a tax break at the top just makes rich people's lives a tiny fraction richer.
>work part time
>doesnt have enough money to feed family
hmm
>>73674213
>dude is getting fucked by taxes
but he's not paying taxes, he's paying a GST that everyone pays when they buy something
>gofundme com/23hcwd8
>>73674397
>>73674199
>mental health issues
Oh, I wonder why?
What I wonder is why some woman went along with it.
>loves weed
>can't function in hs
>hs dropout
>only job can get is truck driver
>has kids
>wonders why he's poor
life choices are a bitch
>>73674213
Listen fuckhead, this cunt doesn't even pay taxes, in fact its likely the opposit. He gets money from the taxpayers cause he's a bit of a special snowflake... That GST that he pays every time he goes into the supermarket probably ends up straight back in his own wallet.
>>73674477
what i wonder is how much he's claiming for it.
he should be getting free welfare money out the ass for his low income, casual work, family assistance and disabilities
fucker probably get's more dosh than i do.
>>73674397
cant wait to see what ''''''''necessary'''''''''' items he chooses to spend all this money on
>>73674661
But he can't take 'mah kidz to da pictures'
What a load of shit, work like everyone else or don't have children you can't support.
>>73674477
Because they know if it all goes pear shaped they can get looked after by centrelink
>>73674734
>movies in southbank cost $11 for an adult
>he cant afford to save less than $30 to see Captain America with his kids
>>73674868
>he's not smart enough to just torrent the cunt and buy some microwave popcorn
>>73672226
why have kids?
If you're in that situation why have kids?
>>73674930
>he cant afford a computer for his kids because he spent it all at the pub.
>>73674397
>those comments
>muh feels
>muh empathy
>muh inequality
>muh morals
i fucking hate this country sometimes
>minimum wage
>living in melbourne supporting a family
>>73675005
rare katter
>>73672226
I think that $87,000 isn't a lot of money and you guys should be raising it higher.
Why should the middle class guy be getting butt fucked by taxes while he could start working full time hours?
>>73673233
Truckers don't make minimum wage m80.
>be winning party
>declare money for dem programs needed
>tax the middle class and start eroding them away
>need more money for more programs
>tax the middle class more and erode them further
>guis we need dem programs money!
>more taxes for middle class
>election period comes
>guis we need money for dem programs because the right wing nazis are making people poor, it's totally not us!
>win spend more taxes on dem programs
>need more money fo dem programs
>>73673658
This
I just watched a clip of this, it was fucking retarded.
>Duncan: "Why are you making rich people pay less tax not poor people like me?"
>Some pollie who seemed alright: "The reality is that you wouldn't pay much tax, if any at all, would you Duncan?"
>Duncan: "B-but I pay tax every time I drive my car, e-every time I go to the supermarket."
*crowd cheers uproariously*
Was this retard actually saying that poor people should somehow be exempt from GST? And that you could fund this by not lowering the second tier tax bracket a small amount?
>>73672226
Perhaps he'd have some money if he didn't waste it on a case of VB every week, and a pack of smokes per day. To make things even worse, this vermin, this scum reproduced and will only perpetuate his problem down onto future generations.
>>73674325
>>73674654
what part of "Not Just Income Taxes" did you fail to grasp you faggots?
a couple years ago i totted up my yearly tax burden and it was goddamned 40% when income, sales, VAT, excise, stamp etc etc etc taxes were tallied.
i got to keep only 60% of my income, which then had to pay all of my expenses leaving me precious little as "profit" while the corproate tax structure is designed to tax them only AFTER their expenses are met.
why the double standard?
since companies dont actually pay taxes, as they are just another expesnse, they can make US pay their taxes, which means i get taxed even more, but this time i cant even see it to total it up.
you can EITHER tax businesses, OR tax people, to do both is taxing the people twice.
fuck, if they taxed me AFTER my expenses (food housing clothing, transport etc) that wouldnt be so bad, but i dont even get that weak, ineffectual reacharound, i just get railed in my ass over and over and over, plus with the new Obamacare Mandate i am forced to pay even more.
fuck yourself with a fire hydrant.
>>73675097
Dude so fucking right, I work shifts on weekends and nights occasionally, to earn that extra dosh and I'm approaching that tax bracket. I know of people that plainly just stop working this time of year so they don't breach the $80,000.
>>73675368
use the second amendment
>>73673960
Yes, local Australians should be supported in their decision to have children so that you don't have to import people to replace you, cunt.
>>73675368
Why are you talking about your taxes and your country, you can fuck off m8.
You're totally fucking irrelevant here with your obamacare bullshit.
>probably can't even watch Q&A
>>73673636
This is correct.
>>73673960
family and childcare benefits should be abolished
I seriously thinking about just moving to dumb fuck and mooching the dole, just have a garden an shit. Both major parties don't give a fuck about anything but how much money they can take off me and then give to some worthless cunt.
>>73675596
why?
>>73675521
> pretending ausfailia's taxes are completel;y unrelated to similar taxes levied in the US
keynesian economics is fucking everyone but you fags think it's grand. fuck yourself straya.
>>73673636
>>73674070
The entire tourism industry to countries with a weaker currency than your own is based on trickle down economics.
Why is Bali so popular
Why is Thailand so popular
Why is Vietnam so popular
Because their currency is weak ours is stronger so we can spend more.
>>73675470
you think thats going to stop our insanely high levels of immigration? think again mr leaf
sure its a positive making sure more FUCKING WHITE MALES have children but committing to it while on minimum wage is pretty poor decision on anyones behalf
>>73675670
Because you should't have children or get married because you can get a tax break, if your're not financially prepared to have a child then don't.
>>73672226
>over $80 thousand per year
>rich
???
>>73673636
>not taxing the rich harshly enough is why America is so fucked up
But that's not true, muh tax the rich is bait and switch bullshit that has nothing to do with any real issues, no-one would care how much the rich people made or how little in tax they had to pay if they were making a decent living themselves but they're not so they do. Stop getting played so easily, would taxing the rich really help the guy from the OP all that much?
>Minimum wage his whole life
>two kids
Why?
Did anyone ask him why he decided to take on one of the biggest expenses one can take on in life, not once but twice, while making minimum wage?
I don't understand. No one will pity me when I default on my Lamborghini payments when I work at the local woolies yet we're meant to pity this man who's not progressed career wise his whole life and then decided to have two kids?
>>73675928
So drive the birth rate down and import more chinks and shitskins? Ok ahmed nice try
>>73673090
Keeping your own money isn't a gibsmedat you dumbass
>>73673636
I agree but recession is avoidable. The answer is ALWAYS trickle-up rather than trickle-down. Cut the taxes that affect the poor and you will see the best effect.
Demand-side policy that works is simply expand the deficit until unemployment reaches the target rate, say, 2%. It's not rocket science. We understood it from WW2 until 1975 when the (Labor) government chose to stop for misguided reasons.
Labour force underutilisation (unemployment + underemployment + long-term unemployed not counted for inactivity) is around 16%. Well gee whiz I wonder why we're gonna have a recession. We need yuge fiscal expansion and neither major party is offering it.
>>73676000
You really are fucking stupid.
>>73676000
Based trips speaks the truth
>>73676317
The only reason government needs to import immigrants is to broaden it's tax base because it has an unmanageable rate of public spending. Which is why you need to cut it, cutting child benefits would be one of the cuts I'd suggest.
>>73676387
He's complaining about tax reductions for people richer than himself. Why? Likely because he expects the government to facilitate the exchange of wealth from them to him.
>>73672226
At least you aussies don't have as many of these people as we bongs do.
>>73675470
you would rather have 8 kids from minimum wage joe of 36yrs of age?
>>73676501
Please explain, don't just insult me and leave it at that. Refute
>>73672226
We have exactly the same bullshit in British politics at the moment.
The Conservative government has abolished income tax for all the lowest-paid people and is raising the minimum wage to a living wage.
Yet nothing can ever be enough for these perennially-entitled cunts who are mostly poor because of their own fecklessness.
do people really think making 80000 a year makes you rich?
>>73676755
you're in the top 25-30% of income earners in australia if you earn over 80k, so to them you're the evil rich minority, or some shit
>>73676755
Of course goy, it's why filthy rich $80,000 a year fellows are grouped with $180,000 fellows in the same tax bracket, they're both stinking rich.
I do hope they raise the tax free bracket to $30,000 and drop the high income bracket to $70,000 just to appease these fucks. It'll be wonderful to watch
>>73676755
They do, they lack the ability to see reality for what it is so they get triggered by big sounding numbers. Even though 80,000 or even 1,000,000 is not that much in the grand scheme.
In the 1960s, the minimum wage was $15 2016 dollars in silver quarters.
This man should be more focused on fixing money, rather than redistributing wealth, that largely comes from reckless deficit spending and QEs.
>>73673482
should crack it this year
>>73676981
Thank you for your contribution to my gaming pc
>>73676888
>1,000,000 is not that much in the grand scheme
mate you low fookin dog. Jew cunt.
>>73676888
you're right, 80K isnt even middle class. 1 million isnt rich. dumb cunts like duncan think youre rich if you make a number too big for him to understand
>>73672226
>mental health issue
>has children
I'm not saying we need eugenics but the government shouldn't subsidize retards having kids
>>73677104
np m8 ;^)
>>73677117
do you think people who make 1 million a year are rich? seriously? they're middle class
>>73677219
1 million smackers a year is Scrooge mcduck tier m8.
Richie fuckin rich. No Home Brand food in the pantry at all.
>>73677287
are you trolling?
>>73677314
>are you trolling?
I can't afford to troll on this bloody website m8. I only earn minimum wage.
Keep it up wagecucks. Stacy needs another abortion and I need a new GPU.
>>73676755
I might be $5000 under 80k. last year I moved into the third bracket and I've only been working over here since march 2014
>>73677433
>saving up for a GPU.
>not for a new car so you can get work so you can buy a new GPU AND a cancer brand mouse
>>73676392>>73676501
Not an argument
Working men of this thread. It is only natural survival instinct to want to keep most of your income you workes for so you can sustain a family and a positive birth rate. Still, we realize we need a government for running a country (refer to Somalia for a great example of a government-free nation). It is not fair, that after you surpass a certain income limit you are untouchable by the taxman, since that budget deficit will be robbed from you by raising/creating new taxes. What do? Any ideas?
>>73674070
The tax cut benefits anyone earning more than than the median income. I.E 50 per cent of the population. This is not a trickle down
>>73675962
that is pretty rich in australia. everyone totes muh minimum wage but our median wage is pretty shit at A$80k per household (as in two people's income) with an extremely high cost of living.
my rich parents get rekt this budget due to super changes while my poor ass doesn't gain or lose much of anything. sasuga australia, maybe next year.
>yfw read statistics about how 50% of people in my demographic pay negative tax thanks to benefits. somehow i always seem to always be in the wrong 50%. guess thats the price you pay for the pride of not being a useless cunt.
>>73675401
That doesn't make sense, you only get taxed a higher rate on each dollar over the threshhold
You're posting this on /pol/ which is full of sociopathic rich uni kids who live off mum and dads apron strings and got a lot of their "nobody gave me a break" rhetoric from their piece of shit boomer fathers who taught their kids to be even bigger cunts than themselves.
They have no idea, look at them complain about people on the dole and anyone who isn't a pompous, rich sheltered little prick like themselves. That top 25% is going to Hell.
>>73679322
fuck off Duncan
>>73678933
This, no one makes 79,999 and calls it quits for the rest of the year lol
>>73679322
But why did Duncan have 2 kids when he made only minimum wage.
Why
>>73675996
>Mfw when I make a decent living and still care that I paid more tax last year than BHP did in Australia
>would taxing the rich really help Duncan
Yes. Higher chance that the tax free threshold would be increased, more liberal government benefits. Instead, Turnbull and his cronies considered increasing the GST, a tax which would proportionally affect Duncan-esque people way more than the rich end of town
>>73672226
We should pass a law exempting Duncan and the rest of the battlers from paying GST. They can even sew a special patch onto their clothes too, so that the supermarkets know who's doing it tough.
Something like this.
>>73681432
You jest m8, but the government is trialling giving welfare fags (including disabled) a special debit card that can only be used to buy certain items and not others (alcohol gambling, porn).
Imagine how embarrassing it will be to pull that thing out at the checkout.
>>73681574
What exactly is wrong with that? If you're to take money from people and hand it over to others for the purpose of buying food and paying bills, what exactly is wrong with ensuring it is used for this purpose? The current system of handing over cash money and hoping it doesn't go into the pokies or booze doesn't seem to work well.
A culture of shame around such things wouldn't be such a bad thing, America once had such a thing and now it doesn't.
>>73682568
There shouldn't be a culture of shame around being poor. Being poor is punitive enough.
What there should be however, and isn't yet, is a system that looks after people from the bottom up by guaranteeing basic opportunities. Most importantly jobs. We need a way to ensure that anyone willing to give their time and labour can do something useful and earn an income that way.
It wouldn't be used by everyone, ideally not even more than 2% or so, but having it there would be the best welfare program AND back to work transition program in the world. Work for the dole and rentseeking job search agencies just aren't good enough. The working class should ask for more (no bolsho) and stop voting for weak-policy two-faced Labor cucks.
Why the fuck should he get more? It's there to help, not as an income. He works and is up skilling, he's helping himself. Case closed. Yea he could have it easier, we all could woopee. To bad he had two kids, divorced his wife.He fucked himself up and I sure as well wont pay for it.
>>73675401
>what is a progressive tax system
>>73672226
>Is a mong
>Has 2 children anyway
>Is a Part Time Truck Driver
Okay, that means he's capable of pulling down 1000+ a week easy.
I work with guys who pull down less than 800 a week and raise 2 kids. Manage to own cars and even sort-of go on vacation.
But seriously - He's a truckie. Subbies earn 100k + a year in Sydney.
He has no excuse.
I feel really fucking bad for his kids tbqh.
>>73673636
This isn't even a Neo-Con or Alt-Right position. He's just plain fucking lazy and incompetent and would be regarded as such in any era.
If he's a licensed truck driver, he's capable of clearing 80k a year easily.
I know drivers working strict 40 hour weeks earning over 70k and turning down work because they're comfortable.
I also know drivers pulling down 100k plus because they're going full retard on the negative gearing front and buying a flat for each of their damn Muslim kids, but whatever.
>>73683376
>I feel really fucking bad for his kids
Strewth m8, parents get a lot worse than Duncan.
>>73683171
>We need a way to ensure that anyone willing to give their time and labour can do something useful and earn an income that way.
We already have that in Australia. If you're able bodied and have a non-retard level I.Q. you can get a job that will pay for basics. Anyone saying otherwise is a leech and a liar.
We already have MASSIVELY generous welfare programs, often for people who perfectly capable of working but refuse to. We also have generous welfare programs for low income earners who choose to have children - to encourage population growth.
I'm sick of paying for lazy fucking junkies and stoners to sit at home playing xbox one all fucking day and drinking all night.
I literally share a 540 dollar a week unit with friends. Our upstairs neighbors are on the dole, with a slightly bigger/better unit entirely subsidized by the government to ensure "economic opportunity" by allowing unemployed parasites to move into higher income areas. They spend all. fucking. night. drinking and fighting and playing music. They never work.
It's a fucking joke.
>>73683508
Eh, I know. But they're still getting screwed by having an idiot parasite for a father. He's going to pass that shit onto his kids.
>>73683747
Oh, and this isn't even about being on the dole.
It was common in the early 90's when we had a recession and actual unemployment. My dad was on it for a few months.
But this cunt is living in a flush fucking time right now.
What the hell is he going to do when shit gets tough, which it's bound to eventually?
>>73672226
>>73683171
There isn't a culture of shame around being poor, there is a culture of shame around not working and taking tax money.
I do agree though, a system that helps those willing to work to find work is best but where welfare exists those who look to exploit it will exist.
The working class should vote for what helps them but that would go against what want (from labor fucks). The same reason why blacks in America will continue to vote democrat despite it not being in their best interests
>>73683699
>economic opportunity
????
So like, government will provide me with an apartment in a higher income area in the hopes that I will somehow just diffuse and absorb the skills needed to join the ranks of those around me??
>>73683699
>We already have that in Australia. If you're able bodied and have a non-retard level I.Q. you can get a job that will pay for basics.
This misses the point. There are many times more jobseekers than jobs available. Even if they are lazy, it would only be partly their fault because the system doesn't guarantee employment.
Look at it this way - if we had a true full employment scheme, somehow, then that would be the ultimate test of willingness to work. From that basis you could remove existing welfare systems that you see as a waste. So whether you think unemployed people are lazy or not, there's a strong argument to promote universal employment opportunity anyway.
How fucking difficult is to get a decent education and a well paying job, and not being a welfare hog parasite of society? Literally, tell me /pol/
>>73684344
I'm not fucking joking. I wish I were.
They move in a bunch of fucking lowlife bogan scumbags into expensive neighborhoods under the fucking retarded Leftist belief that it's Geography that determines outcome. The same way they confuse Civil Wars waged by religious fanatics with Earthquakes or Floods.
All that happens is that the rest of us have to live around pieces of shit who steal everything and make the neighborhood dirty.
>>73684379
>There are many times more jobseekers than jobs available.
Then why are there so many fucking vacancies here, with massive revolving doors of people who chuck it in because they'd rather sit at home punching cones?
You can walk in and out of jobs here like a revolving door.
>Jobseekers
You mean unemployed. Most of them aren't seeking jobs. My entire street is full of people who refuse to work, will never work, and will subside on welfare, necessitating irritating fucking foreigners to come in and fill the positions.
>>73684179
>I do agree though, a system that helps those willing to work to find work is best
Not just helps them find it but actually gives them work to do. You try to find private work but if you can't get it, you can take a last resort job at minimum wage. It would only be used by a tiny portion of the workforce (and, ideally, temporarily) but would make a world of difference to the genuinely unlucky who can't get a job.
>>73684402
I dropped out of high school at 15.
I earn 75k a year and put in minimal effort and have never struggled to find employment.
If you're well educated and can't get a job, you probably picked a stupid fucking profession.
>>73684701
>necessitating irritating fucking foreigners to come in and fill the positions
You have bought a whole load of neoliberal bullshit m8. You swallowed the blue pill and then asked for another.
The foreign workers aren't "necessary" - they are an option chosen by business and their political lackeys to undercut wages and conditions.
>>73683699
>you can get a job that will pay for basics
FUCK OFF YOU UNI DWELLING IVORY TOWER LIVING CUNT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>73684701
I don't know about where you live but I don't doubt there exist many people who abuse the system. That doesn't mean the unemployed are always the problem. The system is broken too and there's no reason not to give people opportunities that they will accept if they're legit.
>>73672226
#fuckduncan
>>73684701
What exactly do these people think happens? That these people somehow just weren't given the opportunity to escape from stupidity and poverty in Australia, the country in the top 6 in the world for social mobility????
I can't imagine studying hard, working hard, buying a place and then having crystal meth Christine move in next door with her 6 kids because it is hoped that this will help her holy shit
>>73685068
>top 6 in the world for social mobility
No country has good social mobility. Social mobility is basically impossible in general, though obviously exceptions exist in either direction at the margins.
It is actually quite depressing.
>>73684842
Here here cunt, it's nearly bedtime, try not to get too riled up by this deluded retard
>>73672226
1. Stop buying VB longnecks every fucking day and buy a toaster instead
2. Stop buying shit food and cordial= save money
3. Stop smoking
4. Clean up your fucking yard you bogan filth, your attitude, appearance are reflected in the overgrown lawn and trash you have scattered around your fence line.
Why are poor people fucking stupid and filthy?
>>73685300
>cordial
How the fuck are you meant to drink your water m8? Plain? Like out of the toilet?
>>73685333
underrated
>>73685333
becoming fit was the best thing i ever did for my body and my wallet
>>73685300
a single basic economics class given to each person and anyone who fucks up after it is beyond saving and shouldnt be helped
I have never earned a single dollar, I don't understand why people worry about working?
Just live in a tent, steal internet, and eat dumpster food like I do.
>>73684842
Yet here we are, with apparently hundreds of thousands of unemployed refusing to work.
>>73684858
>Uni dwelling
I dropped out of school at 15.
>>73684920
The system is pretty good.
>Muh Legit Opportunities
Guess what? Sometimes you have to work jobs you don't like to make money. We can't all be professional video game players or bong smokers.
>>73685068
It pisses everyone off. Everyone hates it. But that's because the country is full of parasitic lefty cunts who believe a person is only an unemployed, obese piece of shit thief who smokes weed all day and drinks all night because they were born in the western suburbs.
>>73673636
Trickle down economics is a strawman, no such economic theory or policy exists.
>>73685757
>Sugar free cordial
>Literally like 7 calories per 2 liters
It's fucking nothing m8. Cheap too.
>>73686380
>refusing to work
m8 it is not as simple as that. Half of these firms that hire foreigners go out of their way not to advertise the jobs to Aussies.
>>73686419
>Sugar free cordial
Enjoy your cancer m8 from the artificial sweeteners.
>>73680770
>more liberal government benefits
Would those benefits really help him though? And I mean help him become a functioning member of society who isn't reliant on the good will of whoever it is that it's in office right now like some human bargaining chip and not just help him continue living for the immediate future. Maybe not every problem can be solved by just throwing more and more money at it.
>>73686541
Bullshit.
We have dozens of Aussies come through our place and they all quit after a few months because it's too boring/hard.
The Indians aren't especially hard working - They just don't have any better options, like sitting at home punching cones and playing video games all day.
>>73675928
I get that comprehensive welfare leads to a perverse incentive for people financially ill-equipped to have kids, but what about the ones that exist (and the ones who would regardless?)
Without welfare, you consign them to misery.
>>73683699
>If you're able bodied and have a non-retard level I.Q. you can get a job that will pay for basics. Anyone saying otherwise is a leech and a liar.
When was the last time you had to get a job?
>>73672226
>people making 80k a year are "rich"
>hurr why doesnt the government pay ME to have 2 kids when my only useful skill can be performed by robots.
People like this need to be sterlized.
>>73683995
>people on 80k are at the top of the pyramid
This wouldn't look so shit if the government revised all the thresholds upward.
Wasn't that the point of moving the $80k bracket level to $87k? Countering bracket creep and accounting for inflation? Why focus on just that one?
can we put an end to the "wealth inequality is bad" meme
>>73672226
>he had spent his whole working life on the minimum wage
Does anyone else see the problem here? What job has him working minimum wage "his whole working life"?
I don't understand what the big deal is? He does fuck all.
Despite the fact he's on ausstudy (welfare for students) he doesn't seem to be learning anything with our cheap australian education that is moving him towards a job or career.
His 'mental health' is allegedly PTSD related to sexual abuse, yet he's able to get up infront of a crowd and pander to the local back slappers.
regarding $80K, I'm earning around that currently, I'm saving 70% of my take home pay. By no means am I living a lavish lifestyle, but i'm saving a shitload.
>>73687569
Minimum wage is 650 a week for a 38 hour week. If he works part time right now, say 20 hours he earns $16900 a year. He doesn't pay income tax. He most likely gets family assistance and disability. Fuck this guy. He has contributed nothing to this country and gets plenty for nothing.
>not raising GST to 15%
>not raising all the tax brackets by $5k
>not not putting a halt to negative gearing past 2018
>not abolishing the indexation capital gains discount.
>not abolishing the home first used to produce income rule
>still treating gifts of property to children as CGT events.
Fuck this budget.
>>73688152
>>not not putting a halt to negative gearing past 2018
this
I'm a hardcore libfag but semi considering not voting for them over this issue
He just doesn't know how to play the system.
We made $228k last year. Our effective tax rate was 17%.
>>73687134
In 2012 the tax free bracket went from $6000 to $18000, it tripled. You could make 3x as much without having to pay a cent. The bottom bracket is just fine
>>73687569
No one seems to think it's strange that this man has somehow been able to develop the same skill and ability as a high school drop ou throughout his working life. Instead he is given pity about how tough he has it and how it's not his fault for having two kids while broke as shit.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
>>73688070
So its basically the same bullshit from minimum wage clowns complaining about muh Living Wage™
>>73688317
m8 cunts can say what they want about this Duncan guy, but the basic argument - that giving tax cuts only to people who make more than $80,000 a year is dumb and shitty - is a good argument.
The thing about fiddling with the lowest bracket is that gives everyone a tax cut.
>>73688442
With an income like that, two kids, mental health issues and being a single parent, his income is probably almost all spending money while his needs are government covered I'd wager
>>73688317
Actually thanks to the low income offset you effectively pay now tax if you earn below $21k.
>>73688310
Im curious, is that mostly negative gearing? or deductions/carried forward losses/or multiple entities?
>>73673636
all these newfags replying to this
check the flag, hide the post, ignore stralians.
>a thread i made is still going and finally made it past the 100 post mark
>>73689610
Congratulations m8.
Although it has moved pretty slow you have to admit.
>>73689610
I've posted here under 3 different IP's, I enjoyed the discussion and wanted to keep it alive.
Good thread mate. Though if you want that special 300+ posts 45images omitted thread you need some nice bait that's relevant to the world not just Aussies.
>>73689913
Im amazed it lasted this long Tbh
>>73690188
>posted under 3 different IPs
>72 posters
>69 posters then
good lad
i just got sick of seeing the GibsmedatsGSTMoney blokes face everywhere on kikebook.
>>73672226
The problem is that the 1% has more money than what is possible through production. Spreading the wealth won't do squat if you don't end the slavery of interest. Production and goods are wealth. Money alone isn't wealth. Why are democratic socialists stupid enough to believe that getting more numbers in money will make them richer?
>>73673960
Liberals are fucked in the head
>Everyone has the right to have children because kids are so important!
>You should be allowed to murder toddlers and have the gov pay for it!
????????????????
>>73688152
>>not raising GST to 15%
The federal government can't do that you silly billy
>>73672226
why does a man with a part time minimum wage job with mental issues have children?
>>73690730
Because putting his dick in a vagina felt good m8.
>>73690680
>The federal government can't do that you silly billy
Why not? Its a federal tax boyo.
>>73673191
>we can only observe one country! don't look at the rest of the world! they were not in any way influenced
>>73680770
>more liberal government benefits
you know we have those in america? since the 60s we have been increasing them more and more, yet what happened?
