SO I know you faggots are too busy cumming to Donald Trump but how do you feel about the oceans dying? Honestly though, with ocean acidification and pollution do you think it can be saved, and if we cant what do you think the consequences will be?
Eh coral can adapt. And it's all over the place as well.
I never understood why anyone cares that much
>>73656127
Donald Trump will make the oceans great again!
>>73656127
who cares we are gonna die faster than shit hit the fan. If we cant achive space colonisation by next 3 generation . we are probably deserv to die.
>>73656127
Dump large amounts of iron flakes , problem solved
>>73656127
>withe people are going extinct
>corals become white
good, fuck land, lets take the oceans
>>73656127
Will many fish species die out if we lose all our corals? Might be bad for fishing industries which are already at risk from overfishing
>>73656127
its pretty shitty buddy, but its happened before and it'll happen again.
>>73656127
>but how do you feel about the oceans dying?
Lel, the oceans will be fine
>muh corals
fuck off, worry about what is going on land faggot
>>73656467
You do know it takes coral a year to grow 1cm and something like the great barrier reef takes 1000s of years to grow. Also more than half of our oxygen is produced by the oceans.
>>73656127
The world is a constantly changing place. Yes, we have more environmental issues now than say 50 years ago, but we also have much more people and increased output.
Things will never be the same again, and that's the point. The planet, and the universe is always changing, always reshaping themselves, and we mu st either adapt along with the changes or go extinct (and suffer before we go extinct too).
>>73656127
Link the two issues.
>>73656127
My dad's fish tank looks like that every now and then. Just needs some shit in it and it fixes the coral right up. No problems here.
Fucks given: 0
Feminists basically ruined western society, so I don't give a shit anymore. Humanity can die out for all I care.
>>73656127
>implying carbonic acid
>>73656779
Yes, Coral provide protection and homes for a large majority of fish. with ocean acidification the carbonic acid it creates basically makes coral soft and not supportive at all.
>>73656127
I don't live in the ocean.
>>73656127
Literally nobody cares about the fact we are L I T E R A L L Y killing off our ecosystems worldwide, not GLOBAL WARMING
WE ARE KILLING OUT LITERAL ECOSYSTEMS
yet what you hear on the news is shit like "LGBTQ faggots want special snowflake bathroom rights!!!!"
globalization and capitalism will literally be the end of us
>>73657121
We can thank the reds and kikes for that. Nothing we can do about it whatsoever.
>>73656687
That takes co2 out of the water, iirc (iron feeds an algal bloom?), but doesn't reduce the temperature straight away. So, no - problem not solved.
>>73656944
about a 1/3 of co2 outputted into our atmosphere gets dissolved into the oceans and makes it more acidic because it crates carbonic acid, this makes things like coral and sea shells which are usually rock hard basically become soft and easily breakable. More co2 the more acidic the oceans get, then coral cant survive. its not even a biological thing its more chemistry related ad with how fast its acidifying there would be no way for natural selection to work on the coral.
>>73656127
Global Warming can help by expanding the oceans and giving more to the ocean for nature to retake is a great plan.
>>73656904
>Also more than half of our oxygen is produced by the oceans
This has nothing to do with coral.
>>73656956
why not just kill yourself
>>73656839
Humanity wasn't eating a lot of fish from the seas last time it happened, though.
>>73657013
please tell me how its not
>>73656127
True nationalist are also environmentalists
10 to 15 years ago it was common knowledge the reef was dying because of tourist sunscreen washing off in the water. The fact is scientists don't know shit about why it's happening and they don't really care either. They'll give any issue attention as long as it gives them an opportunity to bitch about le evil capitalists.
>>73656127
>how do you feel about the oceans dying?
I feel like we should start a war with China to sink some of their ships, create artificial reefs, and stop those fucking chinks from shitting up the white man's snorkeling resorts
>>73657184
>nothing you can do about it
the liberal agenda tells us to "go to college, save the planet because a scientist!"
which i took as, be a fucking slave for the rich who are literally running this planet into oblivion
be a slave and wipe up babbies big messy poo meanwhile they make billions
there is no hope left for us
>>73656467
>coral can adapt
but, coral is the most fragile living organism on the planet.
>>73656127
I'm sorry for my people. But China, Phillipines, and those other dogs ruin the ocean much worse than we do.
coral reefs harbors a HUGE diversity of life and are extremely important both humans and the environment
are you people really that brain dead?
>>73657284
He asked how would the oceans dying affect us, its not just coral its every marine organism thats suffering due to higher co2 levels, warming oceans, ad pollution like the large garbage patch.
>>73657384
Is that why it's literally fucking everywhere? There are shipwrecks less than 50 years old that are covered by the stuff.
>>73657347
Hitler was an environmentalist so ill believe that, nationalism is important!
>tfw landlocked and not giving a fuck
>>73657487
not to mention overfishing
>>73657311
why should i?
I'll just keep on consuming, making as large a carbon footprint as I can, giving zero fucks about the environment for as long as I'm alive.
>>73657350
Also stop the Japs from killing whales and dolphins
>>73656127
>I found a spot on the shallow ocean floor that looks different than it did five years ago
>conclusion: the ocean is dying
The ocean is a dynamic ecosystem where organisms flourish and wane as a matter of routine. We couldn't kill "the ocean" if we dedicated all of humanities resources to it. It would adapt and thrive regardless of what we threw at it. Could we kill of many species? Yes, absolutely, but extinctions and mass deaths would regularly occur with or without human intervention.
When plant life evolved they spewed toxic oxygen into the air that caused mass extinctions of anaerobic life. The earth didn't die, it adapted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
>>73657589
sideways canada where is your leaf
>>73657398
I agree its ok though i see you realize its wrong
We hqve studi3d the environment for what? 200 years tops? We had ice ages. Get over it. Species die off all the time because they cant adapt.
>>73657270
Now link all three of those logical leaps together, proving causation.
Make sure to provide sources.
>>73657662
If you want a leaf, why don't you ask your nigger president?
>>73656944
Warmer water = coral polyps expel micro-organisms* which (1) provide about 90% of their energy & (2) give the coral colours. So the coral now looks white = bleaching.
*: they expel them because at higher temp's the heat-stressed micro-orgs emit toxins as well as sugars which the polyp absorbs. If the temp falls enough, quickly enough, the polyps re-colonise with micro-bugs and survive. If not, they starve and the reef 'dies'.
Replacement corals which can survive the higher temp's are less complex in shape, which means less habitats for small fish & other life, which means fewer larger fish etc preying on the small fish, and so on. The food chain is reduced and simplified. Also algae can smother the reef while it is recovering and kill the coral, too.
>>73656127
I'm sure Chinese industrialization has nothing to do with this.
>>73657602
becaus you obviously hate living so why not just go to valhallah
>>73656945
Cool - so all we need is mega-tonnes of "stuff" and a fish tank the size of the reef?
>>73657632
>I found a spot on the shallow ocean floor that looks different than it did five years ago
When that spot is happening in large cases all across the world its not that difficult a conclusion, i mean look at the decrease of the great barrier reef.
>>73657473
>are you people really that brain dead?
There's literally nothing we could do whatsoever.
The best we could do is EMP China and India.
There's essentially nothing we can do at all to save the planet from the shitskins.
>>73657013
No, implying* higher temperature sea water, ij the first instance.
*: actually, 'showing' not implying :-)
i mean we L I T E R A L L Y almost killed off blue whales, and a bunch of other ones
like, we humans physically brought the genetic variance of many, many species to a literal bottleneck
but "lol no we could never affect the ocean lol, keep overfishing without thinking about the consequences of our actions"
you people should go outside and do some research about ecosystems and animals species around the globe, many are not doing well.
>>73657270
The pic is bleaching, not acid decay.
>>73657784
man, european comebacks are always on point
>>73658007
>keep overfishing without thinking about the consequences of our actions
>our actions
>our
>>73658007
Now explain to us why that's such a travesty please.
>>73657349
"common knowledge" is not the same as science. Don't refer to or quote tabloid newspaper headlines or similar from online sources.
>>73657526
True, but it dies quickly if the temp of water is too high.
The ocean is bcoming acid, its hard to grow calcium in there, the clamps are dying, you cannot stop it now.
All you can do is sit and watch ...
The only way to stop it would be to erradicate 60% of human life and unless you got some really strong airborne agent, i sugest to give up and enjoy the end.
Maybe you overpopulated countries should stop importing brown people and making babies k thanks
>>73658306
The overpopulated ones are doing the exporting.
>>73657780
literally dissolve higher levels of co2 in seawater with some coral and seashells and they will fall apart.
scholar google com/scholar?q=ocean+acidification+and+coral+reefs&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUpvXhjNHMAhXBKB4KHY3oDSYQgQMIGjAA
Caring about global warming is mainly an issue that the white race cares about.
>>73657363
How does saving the planet make you a slave? How are the rich running the planet into oblivion? Should I even be responding to an edgy high schooler whose mad because his parents expect him to go to college?
>>73657793
Thank you
>>73658095
>you
>>73657632
And we see changes like that on the Great Barrier Reef within weeks, not 5 years.
But as for "we can't kill the ocean", human activity can put so much extraneous chemicals in sea water that algal blooms remove almost all the dissolved oxygen, Everything except for non-aerobic life dies: weeds; grasses; fish. The sea is essentially empty except for algae. Not a good look.
>>73657917
>EMP
If we want to make a change in favor of the environment we have to kill people not disable their systems. Biological weapons would prolly be the best as scorched earth for all of china/africa/india prolly isn't the best for the overall goal.
>>73656127
Ocean acidification os directly related to Indians shitting in streets.
Prove me wrong.
>>73657795
I'm sure Australia's carbon footprint does.
>>73658484
>can't explain it
Ok.
>>73656127
Finally someone scrubbed that coral crap off the pristine ocean floor.
>>73658533
Or maybe we could stop buying the products from China and India that cause all that pollution as they're made
They're fucked either way. I worked in an aquarium for 10 years, and I can tell you that Corals, Anemones and inverts are extremely sensitive to any kind of water parameter changes. The slightest change in temperature fucks them up.
>>73658095
Because we keep on discovering new molecules in life forms, some of which have implications for human health, and industry. If the life forms are not there, we may never stumble on these otherwise.
>>73658031
Which is caused by acidification is it not?I thought you couldnt have one without the other. honestly curious
>>73658736
>If the life forms are not there, we may never stumble on these otherwise.
Are you crying about the millions of species that already went extinct too?
>>73658533
Disabling their systems is the best first step towards killing them is my point, EMP causes the largest amount of death on the largest scale without impacting the environment.
Beyond that there's pretty much just dropping Agent Orange on their farms, bombing roads and harbors leading out, etc.
>>73658615
Full fucking retard. Having, you know, the whole rest of the planet make billions of individual choices to boycott them is wholly impossible. Military action at least requires fewer people to agree than "the entire rest of the planet."
As a Floridian, who grew up fishing and diving the gulf, I can say that shit is not the same.
it breaks my heart desu... RIP in piece ocean.
>>73657384
Then why does it deserve to live? Life is struggle. Those who adapt will carry on into the future and those who don't die out.
>white men are evil, fuck you assholes we hate you
>please solve the worlds problems white man!
How about fuck you.
>>73656467
t. Never scuba dove
>>73658533
Assisting them to get local-ish green power instead of coal + building new grids will be a better method.
>>73658434
Because all the shitskins are still trying to figure out how to fucking live without having the minds of an ape with a 3rd grade education. Whites have passed that phase hundreds of years ago. How many shitskins actually know that there is more than a sun and moon.
>>73658434
But if we destroy the earth then the brown people will not have a chance to live a totally unrealistic and unsustainable life like we whites have.
>>73658817
It takes less people to start a war than it does to change a trade policy? Starting a war is better than changing a trade policy?
>>73657121
its crony capitalism, and socialism. You fiucking god dam motherucker dip ship nigger.
>>73658450
>"saving the planet"
>oh and here college educated person, go clean up their mess under the guise of "green" and "saving the planet" and "muh ecology"
>meanwhile business as usual
>>73657526
Algae is not coral.
>>73656127
>and if we cant what do you think the consequences will be?
Much laughter, I will make sure to use as much oxygen as possible when faggots kill the ocean life.
I donno know guys why is my reef doing so good? I think you guys have shitty fish keeping /coral care skills here and not global warming . The corals in OPs tank look brown as shitty and likey have high nitrates in the water.
>>73658973
Full stop: We're not the ones destroying the Earth. The problem is that our environmental controls are 100% worthless and pointless since only we abide them.
>>73656127
It's the whales fault. Japan and Norway both know what's up
>>73658537
Its probably more related to shit blowing up in the middle east with all that methane.
>>73659017
Whose mess is it exactly? Do you think the big evil corporations are polluting our atmosphere and dumping shit into the ocean?
>>73658994
People who would need to not trade with them: Every fucking person around ever.
People who would need to declare war: The POTUS and Congress.
>>73658805
maybe well find a marine animal that will have a cure for your autism
>>73658740
Um, maybe acid CAN cause bleaching, but the reefs in Indonesia & Australia, which have white corals are often from too-warm sea water. If acid, I'd expect to see the coral 'stunted', not branching extensively. The fancy-shaped & fancy-coloured corals suffer more from both, iirc.
Though once the polyps are dead, the whitened coral (their 'skeleton'/home) will obviously stop growing and thus break over time from wave and other effects.
>>73657051
you literally do though
>>73659061
nice reef, whats the fish on the far left?
>>73659087
We set the standard for destroying it and they just followed suit and on a larger scale since there is so many of them.
>>73658839
Because we need it to live
>>73659087
Just because other people are doing it more than us that doesn't mean we aren't doing it at all.
>>73659162
Are you aware citizens have to follow trade laws?
>>73659061
>Green Chromis
Pleb tier tank
>>73659245
Yeah, nah. Tired of this whole "white men did stuff way back when, therefore nonwhites can do unlimited bad stuff forever and ever and you're a RAYCISS if you object."
Can't do anything about it now. At least the world will die at about the same time we do.
>>73659146
yes actually, farming, mining, chemicals, manufacturing, ect the list goes on, you dont have to be a billion dollar company to be part of the problem.
do you get outside much?
>>73659208
Are you also crying about all the species that don't exist but hyptothetically could?
I doubt you do. So what's the problem when blue whales just so happen to go extinct?
>>73659244
It's a rabbit fish his name is Blow. He can change color.
>>73659341
Shit skins or ching chongs would have started the same path if it wasn't for us anyways. I agree with you that humans are fucked.
>>73658805
For them, yes a bit - only a fool would not regret this loss. But mostly for US: drugs for pain that are not addictive; anti-cancer; anti-Alzheimers;... Bio-solvents & non-polluting enzyme reactions to replace heavy-metal industrial processes...
>>73659017
go to school for 10 years and become a marine biologist you fucking failure. idk why i have to fucking tell you im not your dad
>>73659378
loss of bio-diversity is a fucking problem, yes it happens naturally, not at the rate we are doing/have done it
Do you have a need to kill just because you can? Thats sick. Thats whats wrong with humans.
what we are doing, is not part of the natural cycles
>>73656127
Kelp reverses the acidification.
Moar kelp.
>>73656127
We know about it. The Jews have been killing the oceans for a while. We are just addressing the root of the problem.
>>73659146
Well who is polluting the oceans, I could easily believe there are large china or even india corporations that dump their waste into the ocean, I mean their second/third world nations
>>73656127
We are improving the ocean.
In 2005 the ocean was too diverse, too many shitty brown coral. In 2010 the hard-working genetically superior white coral dominated everything.
>>73656467
Fuck, you're stupid.
>>73656467
Ignorance: the post.
We're on a planet that is two thirds water and half you niggers are saying you don't care what happens as it won't affect you. Oh it will and you will know how in this lifetime.
>>73656127
You know that like, 90% of ocean remains undiscovered? No man knows what lies within.
I'm just waiting for some big dick monster to come out and wreck shit.
>>73659061
You're on the wrong board, /an/.
Anoxic conditions in the ocean resulting from grossly excessive levels of c02 in the atmosphere are theorized to have resulted in the worst extinction event in earth's history. (See "Permian-Triassic extinction event")
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Lee-commentary-on-Burgess-et-al-PNAS-Permian-Dating.html
tl;dr The oceans are acidifying and losing their oxygen which may lead to the end of life on earth as we know it.
>>73657899
>large cases across the world
This is the kind of fuzzy language that ecofaggots love. What is a "large case"? How much area is "across the world"? We have only explored a tiny fraction of the ocean, and know very little about its interconnected lifeforms and how they interact with each other and their environment. You are making the same mistake that psuedo-scientists have always made: You are making massive assumptions.
There are soooo many assumptions being made here. First, that this is not a part of a natural cycle that coral reefs undergo. We have been observing reefs for perhaps 1000 years, which is a tiny speck of time in geological terms, so we know almost nothing about any cycles that reefs may go through that extend beyond that time frame. Perhaps that reef has reached the natural end of its life cycle due to reasons that we have not yet noticed: buildups of waste from its sub-organisms, population changes, whatever. The reef could be cleansing itself in some way, purging itself of a particular nuisance bacteria or other single cell or small-scale organism. I could go on, point being that there are processes and cycles happening in that reef that we can't see because they are too small to be evident in that photograph, or that occur over timeframes that we have not yet been capable of observing and therefore cannot recognize.
Picture of tree:vibrant leaves on the branch
Picture of same tree 6 months later: no leaves!
Obviously the tree has died! No it hasn't, it is a regular part of its life cycle.
I don't doubt that humans are impacting the ocean with pollution, but it is retarded to think we are killing it. It is pure ego to even believe that we have that capability, and if you really want to understand nature and help protect it then making pseudo-scientific assumptions that human pollution is always the culprit is not the way to go about it. Almost every attempt by humanity to "help" the earth do what it does best ends in disaster.
>>73659299
>Just because other people are doing it more than us that doesn't mean we aren't doing it at all.
We get wiped out tomorrow... nothing will change at all, period.
No tree hugging, buying green, or anything like that will change the inevitable mass extinction.
My mom, as well as my wife, have this nonsense idea that Seaworld is the DEVIL and that its good that they're ending their orca breeding or whatever, and I tell them that's ridiculous as soon the only cetaceans alive will be ones in captivity.
If ever enough of your brain cells die to make you think you can make a difference with regards to industry shitting up the oceans, remember that you're an insignificant fucktard and death awaits. Now call me an "edgy kiddo" and ignore the fact that no matter how many fluorescent lights you buy, its all going to die, and sooner than later.
NOTHING. YOU OR I OR ANY OF US. CAN DO. PERIOD.
>>73656467
/pol/ the post.
>>73656127
>with ocean acidification and pollution do you think it can be saved
Probably not. OTOH, the biggest victim of that will ultimately be humanity, and the ocean would probably recover pretty quickly if/when we're gone.
>if we cant what do you think the consequences will be?
-Bleached coral like pic
-Bits of plastic in nearly every fish, marine mammal and seabird on the planet.
-The chinks overfishing world stocks to nothing are fucked, but the fishermen of all the sovereign nations whose territorial waters the Chinese violate are even more.
-A huge black obelisk will emerge from the depths of space and destroy the planet as vengeance for the whales.
- On the plus side, Tons of new jobs and industry in aquaculture, in 25 years your sushi will be grown on an industrial farm in the American heartland.
-The breeds of fish grown will eventually escape into the wild and fuck up natural species even more. This is already happening, btw. Most varieties of salmon are already endangered and headed for extinction, and getting worse due to factory-farmed fish.
>>73659655
>meanwhile most fish stocks globally are in decline
we have a pretty damn good idea of whats in there dude, at least in the areas that are accessible to us
If acidification of the ocean is a problem, why don't we just pour a strong base like bleach into the ocean to reduce the acidification?
name one salt water fish that has gone extinct in the past 300 years
just one
>>73656127
America had literally nothing to do with it. The problem will be 100% resolved when Trump orders the military to prep China and India for colonization by extermination all Chinese and Indians.
>>73659061
>comparing a 30 gallon ecosystem with a billion gallon ecosystem open to the real world and not in someones house
good job
>>73659698
>Picture of tree:vibrant leaves on the branch
>Picture of same tree 6 months later: no leaves!
>using this as an argument
are you mentally retarded?
>>73659346
So it's big evil corporations and little evil corporations? Do you suggest we stop the evil corporations? Put an end to farming so we don't have any food? Put an end to mining so we don't have houses or roads? Put an end to manufacturing so we don't have any stuff? And chemicals is such a broad thing we would lose all three of those things without chemicals.
>>73659562
You are polluting the oceans right now. By using electricity you are contributing to emissions that affect the ocean. Do you eat food sometimes? Agricultural runoff pollutes the oceans.
>>73656127
i couldnt care less im dead before the ocean completetly dies of and i dont give a shit about other people
>>73659655
Are you so retarded to actually believe a monster of such an immense size would not have a seismic impact on the ecosystem around it which in turn would leave it's own metaphorical footprint? And 90% is nonsense. We have satellites and thousands of submarines and etc.
>>73659794
>too retarded to see that it is an analogous situation
I was illustrating that, to some organisms or systems of organisms, that vibrant/not vibrant cycle could occur over 500 years instead of annually. We think 500 years is a long time because its several human generations, but its all relative. There are living organisms on this planet that are millions of years old, and others that only live a few hours.
Coral is like pandas. They are simply too fragile to last in a changing world.
Yea the coral reefs are gonna die. Boo fucking hoo. Something else will thrive in the void left by the coral. Nature will not allow any niche to remain unoccupied for long.
>>73659780
ocean acidification is due to increased CO2 getting absorbed into the oceans, it's kind of everyone's fault.
East Asian is just guilty for dynamiting the reefs on top of that.
Can one be a libertarian and environmentalist simultaneously? Why or why not?
>>73659676
>tl;dr The oceans are acidifying and losing their oxygen which may lead to the end of life on earth as we know it.
I hope it happens the day after the last white person dies.
Every form of complex life on the planet dying because we just had to feed the starving niggers and because we just had to open relations with China. Poetic justice, I guess.
I suppose it makes me feel good to know that if we have to depart this world there'll be nothing more than acid seas and corrosive skies.
>>73659699
>NOTHING. YOU OR I OR ANY OF US. CAN DO. PERIOD.
And this is why you're a loser. You have no ambition. Also, leds are better than fluorescents desu
>>73659808
I realize that but at least acknowledging it is the first start, honestly i try my best though.
>>73660038
You have to believe that people will just plain stop looting and polluting out of the goodness of their heart and boycotts and other such nonsense.
>>73656127
bump
This is a good book on the subject
>>73660111
Also take reasonable measures to stop polluting yourself, or unreasonable, either way that would be the libertarian way of doing it.
>we can just keep taking, and taking from an ecosystem without giving back or balancing anything!
http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/declining-fish
>we will run out of fish in 50 years
>>73656127
Hmm, oceans are acidic...
Couldn't we just drop some tums in their and call it good?
We could easily mine tons of calcium carbonate, grind it up, and spread it in the ocean
>>73660063
>And this is why you're a loser. You have no ambition.
I have plenty of ambition, I don't waste it on completely 100% hopeless and retarded causes.
Killing off the majority of humanity would be just the beginning.
>>73656127
Is this the new end day scenario that the left uses to expand government power?
>>73657487
>Crying wolf about Oxygen
>All Organisms Suffering due to high CO2 Levels
>Oxygen Producing Organisms suffering due to higher CO2 Levels.
Plants which produce oxygen do so by absorbing CO2.
CO2 to plants is like Oxygen for us.
Higher CO2 levels are what is causing the massive algal blooms all over the world, which produce shittons of O2 and scrub lots of CO2 as they bloom. Sucks to be an oxygen breathing fish, sure, but the Idea that High CO2 level will somehow kill the CO2 breathing Oxygen producers is ludicrous. Stop drinking the kool aid that is placed in front of you. At least make your own, god damn.
>>73660235
Yup. Wouldn't do anyone any good whatsoever, but it would make you feel good about yourself and that's the whole point of environmentalism.
>>73660008
Yes... something will thrive in the void left by coral and an acidifying ocean... it's called anaerobic bacteria; so called because it cannot survive in the presence of oxygen. These bacteria produce a waste product called hydrogen sulfide which is to oxygen-breathing life forms.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30563213/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/poison-bacteria-set-worst-extinction/#.VzKwh_krKUk
>>73660250
>we
>>73659782
same shit, I dive in tanks not much smaller for a living. You need better lighting (ie not not shitty LEDs or nigger teir Metal hailds) also getting a Kalkwasser drip would help with that acidification issue you having likey becuase you have a shitty improperly tuned co2/calcium reactor.
Perhaps you wouldn't be having these warming issues if you didn't uses shitty heaters/chiller and lights.
>>73657311
The edgy edger edging hard :)
>>73660317
It must be a pretty sad world you live in when you think the entire population of the world can't do anything to change it for the better.
>>73660342
>thinking we are somehow isolated from the rest of the world
I need to start a full thread on this. You guys are way out of your depth on this one. What's happening in the oceans as we speak could result in humanity's extinction within a century.
>>73659398
cool. Been freshwater for about 6 years but new import laws are fucking over freshwater tropicals.
What is the future of emissions-capturing technology? Can it undergo a sort of Moore's Law acceleration or is there a categorical distinction between computing and such physical/chemical processes?
>>73656467
When the water is too acidic or even too warm, the micro plankton can't form their calcium carbonate shells.
Coral eat the micro organisms that are the beginning of the ocean food chain.
>>73660571
Thanks Al Gore but no thanks, here is a list of failed climate predictions instead:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/
>>73660038
Conversely, can one be an environmentalist and NOT be a pinko commie? Look how green Best Korea is!
The only true environmentalists commit suicide or sacrifice their individual existence for the betterment of the collective good. The only libertarian environmentalists are minimalists innawoods and off the grid, because they don't consume without first producing, they don't produce more than they consume, and they don't rely on industry for anything. They are very few and far between, greatly outnumbered by retards with greenpeace stickers on their cars and solar panels made from rare earth minerals strapped to their roofs who give $50 a year to their favorite feel-good corporation disguised as a charity for mother earth.
>>73660427
Again with this utterly moronic hippie nonsense. You are going to have to reduce the vast majority of planet earth's human population to corpses or at least to an amish style existence with zero expectation about modern conveniences to make a dent. Nobody's going to fucking agree to destroy their own country for the good of everyone else, they'd be idiots to do so.
Oh wait I forgot. Lets hope for a magic new form of technology to save us! Lets pray and wish upon a star! I bet the evil oil companies are keeping us down, maybe someone'll make cheap eco friendly robots to fix everything! Yay! (:
>>73660253
It would be easier dropping in localized tons of cacium hydroxide it's a mining byproduct and a calcium suplment for marine tanks.
>>73660008
They are suprisingly adaptive, this ocean acidification meme is pretty dumb. We are talking changes from +/- .3 from a ph range of 8.1-8.4. The real issue people need to ask is why corals have a hard time recovering from El niño events which are totally a normal weather phenomenon. The answer is coral reef have been shat on and things like sedimentation and phosphate agriculture pollution is causing stress in corals.
Corals can take stress and recover quickly, but they can take multiple points of stress and be expected to grow and prosper.
>>73660656
And furthermore, rising ocean temperatures disrupt it's ability to circulate and thus oxygenate, which leads to massive anoxic no-go zones for life and the development of mass quantities of anaerobic hydrogen sulfide producing bacteria. 250 million years ago during the worst mass extinction in history, the oceans were actually pink they were so full of the stuff - enormous gas bubbled of hydrogen sulfide would bubble up from this toxic sludge of an ocean and immediately kill any land animals that weren't already dead from the consequences of runaway global warming. You fools think this is some kind of kike conspiracy; you're dead wrong.
>>73656467
T. Osama bin Laden
>>73657617
FUCKAAH YOU WHALE AND FUCCKAAAAH YOU DORRRFIIINNN
>>73660301
You skip Chemistry class in High School?
Just the CO2 from your breath is enough to make a cup full of water acidic. Acidification of the oceans is one of the factors behind coral bleaching - and there's more than just CO2 at work there (think of all that runoff, be it the industrial wastes of the west or the piss of billions in Africa, India, and China).
>>73656127
you forgot the deoxygenation of the oceans... when the fish die and there is mass starvation then we can have our race war
>first world lived high off the industrial hog for 200 years
>now the rest of the world wants a turn
How do we tell them now without having to kill them all?
>>73660820
Are you arguing that mediocre gains in sustainability-consciousness and awareness is no better than doing nothing at all?
>at least to an Amish style existence with zero expectation about modern conveniences to make a dent
Are you here citing that patently-incorrect "fact" that volcanoes and methane-emitting vents emit more carbon dioxide than human activity combined?
>>73656127
Horrible, wish lefties would stop opposing nuclear energy which is carbon neutral.
>>73660427
half of it could wipe out the other half. Does that count?
>>73661065
leaf gets it
this is whats wrong with the world
>>73660693
What is this cheap little side project of a web site? Looks like a undergrad minoring in hypertext put it together in his spare time. Just listen to what I'm saying to you. The consequences of gigatonnes of c02 being pumped into the atmosphere every year will have the same effect in our time as they did 250 million years ago, and are additionally well documented. That scientists made specific meteorological predictions that didn't pan out does not disprove the central point that carbon emissions could be the deathknell of not just ourselves, but everything on earth that breathes oxygen.
>>73661102
>Are you here citing that patently-incorrect "fact" that volcanoes and methane-emitting vents emit more carbon dioxide than human activity combined?
I'm roleplaying for the sake of your retarded benefit that your ecological catastrophe is a thing. Even if it were, nothing we can do, because CHYNA, remember?
Save the world, kill yourself!
>>73661012
Coral is an animal and breathes O2, it doesnt produce O2.
The vast bulk or oceanic and atmospheric oxygen is produced by phytoplankton, tiny little plants, which suck up CO2, Nitrogen and Minerals and expel O2 as a waste product.
>>73661065
population control, unfortunately; it seems that the modern world has seen fertility rates and pregnancies drop to or below a replacement rate
>>73660937
so? tell me why I should give a shit?
>>73661065
Just slowly move the manufacturing back to north america. dont allow immigration at all, no work visas, no school visas, nothing. never allow any foreigner or non-native born citizen into post-grad programs, patent offices, or anywhere for that matter.
wait a while and they will starve to death or figure it out on their own.
>>73661012
The ocean acidification issue is more over blown then climate change and it's not what's causing the beaching in the south Pacific.
Even if it was, ocean acidification would effect hards corals ablitly to buffer during it skeleton on building phase and that's more to do with alkalinity then pH.
>>73656127
What do you want us to do about it? Draconian environmental laws are already put in place for the regular Joe-shmoe. You're literally talking to the wrong people about this.
More than enough salt in the ocean to exchange with any amount of acid you want to add to it.
If you think the oceans are going to die you either reject or don't understand evolution.
>>73661224
>that scientists tried to predict the future on the basis of this hypothesis and have failed every single time does not mean that it is not true
Yes it does.
>>73656127
>nature dying
Faggot nature doesn't die it just changes.
>>73661278
>I'm roleplaying for the sake of your retarded benefit that your ecological catastrophe is a thing
You are scientifically illiterate and unfit to have such an opinion if you cannot even describe what methanogenesis or the carbonic acid cycle are as they pertain to time-dependent dissolved oxygen levels my friend.
>Even if it were, nothing we can do
Yes, what's the point of eating when you're going to be hungry later? What's the point of washing your hands if they are only going to get dirty later? What's the point of dressing in clothes if you're just going to remove them later?
>>73661372
It's not the oceans becoming acidific the worries me, it's oceans warming up and losing their oxygen. Life can deal with variations on the pH scale, but if it can't fucking breathe it's over... and if you think that the ocean losing 90% of it's biomass won't affect you on land, you're as fucking stupid as the cucks on the left say you are.
>>73661515
No fool. It fucking dies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event
>>73661629
Well im all for lets bring thrid world populations down and start using nuclear
>>73661507
You're not reading or addressing my points so go fuck yourself moron. Sig heil, pussy.
Its ok, the oceans always get revenge.
Would it be better to plant fuckloads of forests everywhere and encourage people to build with wood?
Instead of reducing emissions we can then be taking carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.
Maybe even get governments to build affordable houses from wood?
>>73661102
>mediocre gains no better than doing nothing at all
No I'm saying your mom's slit tastes like hot garbage and thats bad for the ocean
>Are you citing some thing that you didn't mention at all, or even allude to?
You are hereby confirmed too stupid to be allowed any further carbon emissions. Please cleanse the Earth Mother Goddess of your putrid presence before you foul her waters any further.
>>73661515
this guy gets it. Labeling a change in nature as inherently bad is to imply that nature should be static, and should have stopped evolving as soon as we arrived. That's not how it works, and it reeks of religious "this is our domain and we control everything that happens here" levels of human ego. Ironically, most environmentalists probably dislike religious zealots but act just like them and don't realize it.
>>73661372
>Even if it was, ocean acidification would effect hards corals ablitly to buffer during it skeleton on building phase and that's more to do with alkalinity then pH.
I lost 10 IQ points while attempting to read this. ESL by chance?
>The fundamental difference between restoration and other conservation efforts is analogous to the difference between disease prevention and treatment. Conservation attempts to maintain and protect existing habitat and biodiversity, whereas restoration attempts to reverse existing environmental degradation and population declines. Targeted human intervention is used to promote habitat, biodiversity recovery and associated gains.
>The possibility of restoration, however, does not provide an excuse for converting extremely valuable "pristine" habitat into other uses: as in medicine, it better to prevent than to treat. "Treatment" is generally less effective and more expensive than prevention, and "treatment" cannot always restore the condition before the "injury": some habitat and biodiversity losses are permanent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_ecology#Conservation_vs._Restoration
>>73658007
Should I go outside or do some research?
>>73661776
>>73661808
The bottom line is this: Unless human civilization in it's current form comes to a dead stop very soon, it's highly likely we will have an impact on life on earth roughly comparable to some of the most major past extinction events. And no, it won't be like the gritty dystopic road warrior future... it will just be the end of everything.
>>73661110
Protip, its not just "lefties"
>>73661861
>can't even form a cogent and scientific response
>expects to have his opinion taken seriously
if you want genuine replies then you must remove your head from your ass remove the unwarranted officiousness from your replies
>>73661700
>look guys, the nature died here's proof!
And yet somehow we're still here, surrounded by millions of different species of organisms.
>>73661961
>if reform or change isn't instantaneous then why bother
Are you still in grade school? This is an insipid and monochromatic world view to hold
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/22/the-earth-is-on-the-brink-of-a-sixth-mass-extinction-scientists-say-and-its-humans-fault/
>>73661949
That image applies to you more than it applies to me. You completely skipped over the part where I mentioned discrediting weather predictions made by scientists does not repudiate the well documented effects of c02 on the atmosphere, it just proves some scientists couldn't predict the weather. This is the last time I'm saying it, and if you don't move this conversation forward by directly addressing my counter-argument with ironic green text I'm done with you.
>>73661961
I understand that possibility, but simply repeating muh global warming and muh environment doesn't solve the problem. What we need to do is to create solutions that are desirable in and of themselves.
Look at Elon Musk and Tesla, the cars are actually very good in their own right, and people will buy them because of that.
Appealing to small groups of environmentalists and status signallers will never solve the problem.
>>73656127
its to late to fix the ph balance of the oceans. india sold itself like a cheap whore and allowed other nations to dump their toxic waste in india
the problem is the indians didnt make land fills to house it. no steel reinforced concrete . they dumped a good bit of it in the ganges river
you get a time machine you let me know and we can undo the damage together... yea together...
>>73662124
Yes... but it took 10 million years for life to recover from the Permian Triassic extinction event, and another 240 million years for human beings to come on the scene.
>>73659767
I pour bleach into the ocean whenever I go to the beach. Gotta do your part, pay it forward, and reduce your footprint.
>>73662159
It's not a worldview, sir. It's a highly probably outcome based on historical precedent.
>>73656618
The balls in your court on that one Russia. Our governments are fucked.
>>73662205
If it is that well-documented, how is it that nobody has been able to make predictions based on it? My point is that this very fact - the fact that the hypothesis of the atmospheric effect of CO2 has been completely obliterated by the scientific method - negates whatever premise you have about documentations regarding CO2.
>>73662225
>What we need to do is to create solutions that are desirable in and of themselves.
This is as much a societal and generational onus as it is a technological one. No technological innovation in the regards can be instantaneous and even if it was, if people are too stupid to acknowledge the benefits of said technology then there would be nothing becoming of it. Sustainability has only become a mainstay in academia as opposed to adherence to mainly conservationism from the 1990's, and the social awareness edification is as slow as any generational paradigm shifts, similar to "race relations" from someone born 40 years ago as opposed to someone born ten years ago
Who cares? I'll be dead when the shit hits the fan
Fuck the continuation of the species. This degenerate world needs to burn
I'll never understand /pol/'s anti-environmental point of view.
All ideologies and belief systems and political process become null and void if the actual fucking planet we live on dies.
>inb4 but it always changes!
Change is one thing. Actual death and extinction is another.
As far as we know we're the only life in the universe. Why end it so soon, and by our own hands?
lol @ all these retards who think being anti-environment is cool because that's what all the real muh-redpill conservatives think. Newsflash: humans haven't become independent from their environment yet, and we depend on it for our own well being. That's not a "lib-shit tree hugger" opinion. It's being a realist. Fisheries will no longer be commercially vialbe within the next 50 years. (They've already have been depleted by 90% in the last 50). This is an issue because the majority of the world's population depends on marine fish as their primary source of protein. When all the fish are gone, those third worlders are going to be knocking on your door.
>>73656127
Whatever, let it die.
>>73657784
back to polu, perulock
>>73659770
The dodo bird.
>>73662225
The only problem with leftists and their childish whining and ranting on the subject is that even they don't fully understand the situation. Fuck the whales and seals and polar bears. The science is saying the whole world could essentially become a toxic waste dump. Even the insects experienced mass extinction during the PT extinction event... something that didn't even occur millions of years later when an asteroid the size of Mt. Everest slammed into the Yucutan penninsula traveling at 36,000 miles an hour and turned the surface of the globe into charcoal. That was TAME compared to what the effects of what the consequences of runaway global warming could be.
Do I sound like I'm fucking with you? I am not fucking with you. Humanities impact on it's environment is THE problem.
>With approximately two million acres of personal and ranch land, Ted Turner is the second largest individual landholder in North America. Turner lands are innovatively managed to unite economic viability with ecological sustainability. Turner ranches operate as working businesses, relying on bison and hunting/fishing/nature tourism as principal enterprises. In addition, Turner ranches support many progressive environmental projects including water resource and timber management, and the reintroduction of native species to the land.
>Turner Enterprises also manages over 51,000 bison across the various Turner ranches.
Ocean acidification is a myth for the chemistry illiterate
>What is acid-base buffer solution
>What is ocean floor limestone
>>73661629
No the bigger issue isnt the ocean losing oxygen from co2 emissions it's the ocean becoming anerobic from excessive nutrient phosphorous and nitrogenous waste from agricultural poor irrigation policies and wetland loss.
What happens is you get excessive po4 and NH4 pollution which is fertilizer and has the same effect on algae as it does on terestrial plants. Only this algae isn't really algae, it's actually photosytheitc bacteria called cyano also known as blue green algae (if you have a aquarium it's that red or green slimy shit on overfed tanks). In normal conditions without this bacteria anerobic life on earth wold since it produces massive amounts of oxygen.
The problem is when all these excessive nutrients are consumed the algae dies and thst biomass is now consumed by anerobic bacteria and leads to oxygen loss in the water.
Then bacteria and alage are all doing what they are supposed to be doing by processing this cycle. The problem is when effluent waste overoads this and causes the bacterial to go into overdrive
Blame china and the US . They are fucking destroying this planet with MUH CAPITALISM ! Fuck of and die in cancer
>>73662438
What are these historical precedents you speak of? With the conclusion of a consensus the Montreal Protocol eradicated a staggering amount of ozone-destructive aerosols within two decades: and catalytic converters, coal-plant scrubbers and stringent EPA regulations have reduced atmospheric SOx and NOx levels as much as 30-40% within two decades of their stringent federal regulations. Carbon emissions presents a pernicious dilemma of course, as what does and does not constitute "pollutants" is a fastidiously moronic argument that is still argued about: but when the problem has been acknowledged in globalized recent times, things get moving fairly quickly. This defeatist argument therefore, to me, amounts more to laziness than "realism"
>>73662625
why is it so hard to understand? None of us are going to have children. We've been essentially pushed out of our place in society and we don't really have much of a future to look forward to.
So why should we care? Humanity dies 50 or 100 years from now. So what?
>>73662640
2edgy4me
>>73662529
SPECIFIC meteorological predictions are so difficult to make... and it's an evolving science. There are so many factors involved... but what c02 does to the atmosphere and the oceans is pretty clear cut. Reports are coming out every day but for some reason the right associates these issues with faggot cucklords. I don't get it.
I only care about memes
I think robots should take over tbf
>>73662768
the carbonic acid cycle works primarily where there are massive amounts of limestone in the groundwater and aquifer systems of rivers and small basins (which are confined conveyer-belt like systems of purification, not open expanses of critical and super critical flows). Take an environmental engineering course, then take a hydraulic engineering course and learn of the nature of Reynold's flow variability, and in Froude variations in open-channel flow: don't pretend to be an expert when you are clearly lacking in expertise.
I just checked the thread, and you have contributed nothing to it, scientific or otherwise. All you have done is call people illiterate children, told me my head was up my ass, threw in a few 10 cent words like "insipid and monochromatic world view", and advocated for forced population control. You are an unscientific zealot, no different from a high priest in a primitive culture who demands a human sacrifice to improve the corn harvest and is so certain of his own infallibility that anyone who questions your logic is assumed to be beneath you. I bet I could guess who you voted for with a fairly high degree of accuracy.
Doomsday prophets are nothing new. Ignore them, because they are ALWAYS wrong, and if they are finally right for once then it won't matter much anyway because we'll all be dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
>>73662353
fair enough, but you said that nature dies. It doesn't, any more so than a tree dies in the winter. Nature waxes and wanes, with population explosions being matched by mass extinctions. The coral reef in OP could also be going through the same kind of cycle on a smaller scale. We truly don't know, and anyone who says we do is not speaking in scientific terms, because skepticism of claims is central to the scientific process and scientific thinking in general.
>itt retarded greens who think the world will go under
>>73662972
>why is it so hard to understand? None of us are going to have children. We've been essentially pushed out of our place in society and we don't really have much of a future to look forward to.
>So why should we care? Humanity dies 50 or 100 years from now. So what?
>Things are bad so being a selfish, edgy prick is the answer.
Even if you truly don't care about humanity, the planet - life itself - is important. Again, we're so far the only place with life in the entire universe.
The. Entire. Universe.
We have a responsibility to not fuck up as bad as we are. And even if humanity was to die out, we should at least make sure we don't take everything else with us.
That's a selfish and childish way of thinking.
>>73663276
oops the first part of this was meant for >>73662055
>>73656956
Top kek
>>73662791
I see you, /pol/. It's not just Pajeet causing anoxic conditions in the ocean. It's humanities collective responsibilities. In fact, the carbon footprint of the average individual in privileged first world countries is usually substantially higher. In case you were wondering I'm going to put it out there; I fundamentally reject your assertion that anoxic conditions in the ocean are fundamentally a result of poor management pertaining to agricultural land management. I think percentage wide, although a contributing factor, it is vastly secondary to the consequences of runaway greenhouse gas emissions.
>>73663161
No, it's because ocean acidification is another meme/myth for scientifically illiterate retards that are so common on the Left, like almost all modern environmental """causes""" are:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/09/15/are-the-oceans-becoming-more-acidic/
>>73663018
Not being edgy, I just don't give a shit about my future or the future of the planet.
>>73663366
>We have a responsibility
Given by who? God damn nigga no one gives a shit. None of this shit matters. The sun will eventually swallow up the Earth as it turns into a Red Giant? Should we move the entire planet because of that? Fuck off
>>73663366
>Even if you truly don't care about humanity, the planet - life itself - is important.
Not to me it isn't.
>>73663517
>what is conservatism
>>73656127
>dying oceans
Pussy detected. Get fucked. I'll torture the next fish I catch just to spite you.
>>73663509
That's literally the edgiest fedora-tier opinion I've ever heard.
>>73663276
Are you actually hosting cult-leaders and snake-oil salesmen of yesteryear to the same petard as science, conducted via the scientific method, scientists who are fallible but perform data that is improved and amended over time (which doomsayers categorically do not) and research measured with precision instruments, qualitative data, and years of foundation scientific precedent?
If you, your scientific illiteracy is staggering, and you do not deserve a position regarding to its verisimilitude.
>>73663366
You're thinking of life as a positive thing, when really it's just an accidental feedback loop that gained the ability to consciously suffer. If anything we should work to get rid of it. The universe is better off as inanimate rocks.
>>73663262
Get a load of this retard who thinks oceans aren't acid-base buffered solutions that basic chemistry doesn't apply to
>>73662933
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/24/1760921/doubling-of-co2-levels-in-end-triassic-extinction-killed-off-three-quarters-of-land-and-sea-species/
Historical precedent.
Do you want a differen't link from a different website without an obviously green political stance?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Lee-commentary-on-Burgess-et-al-PNAS-Permian-Dating.html
Boom. Neutral site. Skim it and get back to me. We apocalypsin now boys.
>>73663606
It's my genuine opinion. Edginess is when you're pretending to have a certain opinion to be shocking or offensive. You can't call someone edgy for expressing genuine beliefs, that's not what the word means.
>>73656127
>ctrl+f
>conquer the deep
This is not the /pol/ that it once was.
When are we going to return to the oceans and make the oceans great again?
>>73663517
>>73663543
Please kill yourselves.
This edgy, selfish way of thinking is disgustingly just as barbaric as sandniggers and libshits who think that if they die they go to Allah anyway, and that there is no afterlife so why not fuck up as much as they can, respectively.
>>73663623
Get a load of this retard who both does not proofread his own responses, and still believes that the hydraulic gradients of open water flow is as valid as supercritical, high Reynold's flow turbulence. Can you even describe the difference between transitional and laminar water flow, for example, or are you just spewing malformed nonsense?
ah fuck it, we can create stronger fish and plants when we master the genetic code. we make the environment now, it doesn't make us.
