What is your opinion on CIA torture of radical muslims? Should it be allowed?
>>73629996
absolutely yes.
Human rights are for humans, you lose your rights when you start beheading children, setting people on fire, spreading terror, etc.
Yes
I don't like it because it sets a bad precedent.
What stops the next administration from calling me a "radical white nationalist" because I post on /pol/ and waterboarding me in some Pakistani hellhole?
>>73629996
well getting waterboarded is alot better than having your balls cut off.
>>73630400
You choose to be radical :^)
>>73629996
>implying CIA isn't torturing people against the globalist agenda
>>73629996
I approve.
>>73629996
I miss when radical was a good thing
>>73629996
If they pose a real and present threat to national security in regards to terrorist activity then I don't mind as much as I
maybe should. The problem I have with our current Enhanced Interrogation programs is that reports show that there is little solid eveidence that many participants are confirmned terrorists, and that the interrogations are apparently handled by amateurs who think Hollywood movies are correct in their methods of interrogation.
>>73631019
Yeah, where are all the rad muslims?
>>73631019
>I miss when radical was a good thing
Me too, it was like totally bodacious or something dude
I don't approve of it. Torture has been well established to be an unreliable means of acquiring good information.
>>73629996
Allowed? Motherfucker it should be TELEVISED
>>73629996
Seeing how most of them are actually not being held with any evidence against them
Something like 99.9% of the inmates in Gitmo ARE NOT al queda or any known associates of that group.
Supposedly most of them are wrong place wrong time. And there isn't any interviews with people who stayed there , as in I think once youre in Gitmo you die there.
>>73629996
I feel torture of Islamic terrorists should be mandatory, complete with force feeding them pork products.
>>73631019
Me too bro
>>73630257
So what you're saying is the american government and military should have no rights?
>>73629996
Yes it should be allowed.
>>73631674
>intellectual
My republican side of me says yes, my libertarian says no.
torture literally doesn't work
also you can't always sure the guy you are torturing is actually one of the bad guys and completely innocent peasants get raped to death
see that 2014 Senate Report, the introduction is like 40 pages and holy shit the CIA did some fucking awful stuff for literally no reason at times, and most of it is redacted lel
anyways, States will use torture despite this, bloke called Dershowitz came up with the "torture warrent" idea which is interesting
tl;dr torture is bad practically but states will use it if they have the perception of a 24 styled ticking time bomb
>>73631895
>a dumb hat
>>73631926
if one guy you torture gives you legit info then it's worth some 10-20 innocents getting some water poured on their face
If we can do it to all mudslimes I'd support it
>>73629996
As this anon said,
>>73630257
But also because foreigners do not retain the same rights that US citizens do. They are subject to any method of information extraction necessary.
>>73629996
Good fun, but not very useful.
>>73631674
First one to talk gets to stay on my aircraft
>>73629996
Total waste of time. They should torture the Mossad agents actually behind attacks instead.
>>73631926
Torture can be very valuable sometimes but you gotta be smart with it.
For example if you have two terrorists captured you torture them both till they give you the same story.
>>73629996
Hell yea.
Just gotta snub Loretta lynch. -that enabling wretch of degeneracy.
>>73632050
>if one guy you torture gives you legit info then it's worth some 10-20 innocents getting some water poured on their face
What if you end up as one of those 10-20 people you faggot cuck
>>73632050
is it? by harming other civilians you are pissing off a lot of people in the process, such as them, their families, statesmen who argue that the US is breaking numerous international laws etc etc
the US banned waterboarding years ago but the CIA is probably using it to Hakim from Tripoli right now
Not only do you piss people off, but that guy might give you really shitty info which hes only saying because you'll say anything to stop 700 watts of electricity being shot up your bum
>>73632097
>torture
>viable method of information extraction
pick one
>As early as the third century A.D., the great Roman Jurist Ulpian noted that information obtained through torture was not to be trusted because some people are “so susceptible to pain that they will tell any lie rather than suffer it” (Peters, 1996). This warning about the unreliability of information extracted through the use of torture has echoed across the centuries.
>>73632164
What did he mean by this?
>>73632379
Then I tell my captors how thankful I am for their service to my country and I hope they find their guy?
I am 100% certain I could convince someone I am completely innocent
>>73629996
Torture is an ineffective way of obtaining reliable information and an inhumane form of punishment.
If you just want to torture people for the sake of hurting them that's kind of fucked up.
Also consider the possibility of incarcerating innocent people, which for the record has happened in Guantanamo.
has anyone seen A Taxi To The Dark Side here?
>>73632451
I didn't say it was viable, did I? All I said was that any method used against non-Americans was justified. I'm fully aware that torture is generally ineffective, except when it is.
>>73632526
>>73632526
>Then I tell my captors how thankful I am for their service to my country and I hope they find their guy?
What a fucking cuck.
Do you thank your bull when he jizzes in your mouth after servicing your wife too?
>>73632451
> "so susceptible to pain that they will tell any lie rather than suffer it”
So threaten them with more torture if the information turns out to be false.
>>73632526
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/cia-innocent-detainees/
>The CIA’s torture program detained and interrogated innocent people for a combined total of 11 years, according to the Senate report released last week. At least 26 prisoners were “wrongfully detained,” according to CIA records, and three were tortured.
>The U.S. government has not issued a single apology for mistakenly condemning innocent people to the CIA program's abusive conditions, even in the case of Gul Rahman, an Afghani man whose exposure to CIA torture eventually killed him. Before the release of the Senate report, the government had never even acknowledged this or other cases of mistaken detention.
Where's the bomb?
"I'm not telling :^)
Dang.
>America tortures convicted terrorists to gain valuable information about possible future attacks
>"much human rights, America is pure evil >:("
>Ahmed and pals behead innocent aid workers and journalists
>ugh, guys, can we like, chill out with the Islamophobia for like 2 seconds, jeez
>>73632854
truly you are a genius, I can't believe no one else in the entire history of mankind ever thought of this.
>>73632820
Go protest a rally boy, if it takes a little torture to stop a school getting shot up or a festival bombed then I'm all for it
>>73632543
>Also consider the possibility of incarcerating innocent people, which for the record has happened in Guantanamo.
How exactly does such a thing happen?
>>73632864
A lotta loyalty for a hired gun
>>73632854
>person is suspected of knowing something
>person actually doesn't know anything
>says he doesn't know anything
>torture him
>he tells you what you want to hear
>information turns out to be false
>you torture him some more
GOOD JOB NORWAY
>>73631674
no, hes not saying that
he said exactly what he said
read it again
>>73632992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_CIA_torture#Innocent_people_imprisoned_by_the_CIA
>At least 26 of the 119 prisoners (22%) held by the CIA were subsequently found by the CIA to have been improperly detained,[1] many having also experienced torture.[35][41] Under the Memorandum of Notification signed by President George W. Bush to establish the CIA detention program, only persons who "pose a continuing, serious threat of violence or death to U.S. persons and interests or planning terrorist activities" were eligible for detention.[1] Two innocent people were jailed and tortured based solely on allegations from another prisoner who fabricated information after having been tortured.[41] Two former intelligence sources were jailed and tortured by accident.[1]:133[41] One mentally challenged man was held by the CIA in order to persuade family members to provide information.[1]:12[41] Among the 26 individuals who were acknowledged by the CIA to have been improperly detained, only three were released after less than one month in CIA custody, while most were confined for several months.[1]
>>73632979
Who cares about a school getting shot up if 20 people get tortured anyway?
The fuck? You are just replacing one atrocity with another.
>>73631777
*terrorist*
>>73633082
At least we're sure.
Terrorists fight for no nation, and thus have no protections or rights. Torture the fuckers.
>>73629996
given that there are mind altering drugs that elude willpower to resist torture is just a waste of time.
>>73633168
I really, really doubt that the people getting incarcerated looked like white children
if you don't want to get tortured, achmed, stay out of america
>>73630257
Fpbp
Have a shekel Alberto
>>73633113
I', curious though, any statistics of how many lives where actually saved? Lets say just one of those 78% gave info about a plan to i.e shoot up a mall, wouldn't the proccurement of that information save more than 26 lives? Therefor making it better for the greater good?
>>73633318
>if you don't want to get tortured, achmed, stay out of america
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri
>At the end of 2003, El-Masri travelled from his home in Ulm to go on a short vacation in Skopje. He was detained by Macedonian border officials on December 31, 2003, because his name was identical (except for variations in Roman transliteration) to that of Khalid al-Masri, who was being sought as an alleged mentor to the al-Qaeda Hamburg cell, and because of suspicion that el-Masri's German passport was a forgery. He was held in a motel in Macedonia for over three weeks and questioned about his activities, his associates, and the mosque he attended in Ulm.
>The Macedonian authorities contacted the local CIA station, who in turn contacted the agency's headquarters in Langley, Virginia. According to a December 4, 2005, article in the Washington Post, CIA agents discussed whether they should remove El-Masri from Macedonia in an extraordinary rendition. The decision to do so was made by the head of the al Qaeda division of the CIA's Counter-Terrorism Center, Alfreda Frances Bikowsky, on the basis of "a hunch" that El-Masri was involved in terrorism; his name was similar to suspected terrorist Khalid al-Masri.[2][14]
>When the Macedonian officials released El-Masri on January 23, 2004, American security officers immediately took him into custody and detained him. El-Masri later described them as members of a "black snatch team". They beat him and sedated him for transport using a rectal suppository.[15] "The CIA stripped, hooded, shackled and sodomized el-Masri with a suppository – in CIA parlance, subjected him to "capture shock" – as Macedonian officials stood by."[12] He was dressed in a diaper and a jumpsuit, with total sensory deprivation, and flown to Baghdad, then immediately to the "Salt Pit", a black site, or covert CIA interrogation center, in Afghanistan. It also held CIA prisoners from Pakistan, Tanzania, Yemen and Saudi Arabia.[16]
>>73631467
But it's an effective punishment
>>73633318
Listen faggot. There has never been, in the history of the US, a case of torture preventing a school shooting.
If you want to get tortured to keep some random oil field in Yemen secure, then be my guest.
>>73629996
>torture of radical muslims?
Oh please.... torture is such a hateful word.
It's called BDSM nowadays and needs to be accepted just like gayness and transgenderism.
Just look at this guy, he is full of pleasure and has the cum of his partner running out of his mouth. This is pure love you bigot!
>>73633565
>germany
like I said, stay outta america achmed.
>>73629996
I believe information obtained during torture would tend to be outdated or simply false.
You're being tortured. Why wouldn't you say what they want you to or just anything at all to make it stop?
It's barbaric, honestly. There is no reason to do that do a, more than likely, scared moderate Muslim.
It's barbaric, honestly. There is no reason to do that do a, more than likely, scared moderate Muslim.
>>73631674
>brainy beaner
>>73629996
I'm waiting for the New World Order to kidnap Alex Jones and torture him on live television with jumper cables and battery acid. It's gunna be exciting! (his words)
>>73633690
>>germany
you illiterate or something
>He was detained by Macedonian border officials
>The Macedonian authorities contacted the local CIA station
torturing jihadists should be a national pastime. Heck, the romans did it.
>>73633834
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri
>German and Lebanese citizen
Hell Fuckin Yeah.
When Trump get's elected he's gonna a hell of a lot more than Waterboarding. Muslims are scared as fuck right now.
>>73631674
10
FEET
HIGHER
>>73631926
>one of the most tried and tested timeless methods of extracting information doesn't work
found the clueless faggot
>>73633690
How many boots do you put up your ass everyday kanker faggot
>>73633940
>>one of the most tried and tested timeless methods of extracting information
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/weve-known-2000-years-torture-produces-false-confessions.html
>>73630257
well... everything seems to be fine with that statement until the moment you start consider some people as less human. like this never happened in the history... oh wait
>>73629996
fuck yes
>>73629996
Not to extract information. That's a good way to get bad info.
They should just torture them because they deserve it.
>>73629996
THEY"RE CHOPPING OFF HEADS
AND WE CANT WATERBOARD? GIVE ME A BREAK!
>>73634229
>THEY'RE TORTURING INNOCENTS
>AND WE CAN'T BEHEAD THEM? GIVE ME A BREAK!
>>73634036
Yes it does, but it also produces useful information when they do it to an actual terrorist. The problem is figuring out who the real ones are. Who cares if a few innocent sandniggers are tortured along the way? They're animals whether terrorists or not and only understand brutality.
I daydream of putting muslims in stress position and eat cheeseburguers right on their faces.
>>73634079
Get out, this thread is for whites only.
It dosen't even work. There are methods that are more reliable and and than torture.
>>73634501
>Non-Hispanic whites make up 63 percent of the U.S
.
>America
>white
>>73634343
>Yes it does, but it also produces useful information when they do it to an actual terrorist.
>Source: my ass
>>73634036
Wow, you're so fucking stupid it hurts. Interrogation is NOT the value torture. The point is to create fear.
Radical problems require radical solutions.
>>73634313
BUILD
>>73634735
Kill yourself. My state is 95% white. My town is closer to 99% white. I'm guessing you live in a poorfag/shitskin hellhole?
>>73629996
dear god did they jizz in his mouth?
>>73634820
>turkroach claims that torture is a "tried and tested" method of extracting information"
>post link to refute his claim
>WOW YOUR STUPID DON'T YOU KNOW INFORMATION ISNT THE POINT OF TORTURE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FEAR
>1 post by this ID
What a shock.
>>73632379
Im not a dirty muslim. Im not worried
>>73629996
Torture is morally wrong and ineffective. It's one of the few things I totally disagree with Donald Trump on.
>>73629996
I like that leaked video where the CIA guy shoots an isis agent before throwing him out of an airplane.
>>73635557
You're stupid if you think only brown people get tortured by the CIA.
40 years ago it was white leftists, today it's brown muslims. Tomorrow it'll be white nationalists.
By being okay with torture you are setting up the precedent to get your own nipples strapped to a car battery 10 years down the line.
>implying the cia gives a damn about what's illegal and what isn't
They will just be sure to not get caught next time they torture someone.
I support torture of any kind against anyone who wants to destroy my country. America first.
>>73629996
I actually wrote my thesis on this.
It shouldn't be allowed. It is unconstitutional, but I won't appeal to /pol/ on that basis. It is inhumane, but again I doubt /pol/ gives a fuck. You know what you should care about though?
It doesn't work. They torture someone, he gives a false confession telling them some bs, then they torture someone else basically saying "confirm this false confession is true and we'll stop" and then inevitably that second person breaks, and they take that as evidence their first confession was legit and before you know it the CIA has spent a decade searching for black radical muslims in Montana that don't exist.
>>73631333
Whos this dude again?
>>73637932
This
Senate's report on methods used founded them not just ineffective in gaining reliable information, but also bordering on psychotic levels of brutality.
Is there even a military Psych anywhere near these places? Assessing detainees value/fact checking.
>>73637932
The flaw in your argument is the end of the means. It's not about intel. It's not about justice. It's about vengeance.
Or do you think that the information agency hasn't realized this? That only you figured out that torture only brings false testimonies?
