Today is West Virginia's primary day. Coal is a big deal. Hillary has gotten heat for her "put coal minors out of business" remarks. Trump says he'll keep the mines open.
But isn't that dumb? Aren't we moving on from coal? Hillary has a detailed plan to transition the coal industry to new energy. Trump just says "I'LL GIVE YOU JOBS LOL"
Well?
>>73622651
West Virginian here.
Coal will always be a big deal to West Virginia.
We honestly wouldn't exist as a state without it. Don't know what the fuck is going to happen when we stop relying on fossil fuels, this place is gonna just implode.
Whatever gets the vote desu. Hillary put the foot in her mouth already for saying she wanted to get rid of their jobs while Trump has not. So Trump will likely win due to the cunt's loudmouth.
>>73622875
Exactly this.
Clintons coal comment killed it for her.
You can't put coal miners out of a job without new jobs to give them.
BTW, trump's said he supports nuclear power, so there's your clean energy.
>>73622651
-She's a she
-She's fat
-She's old
-She's a baby boomer
-She's a member of the wealthiest 1%
-She's the face of establishment politics
-She's a globalist neo-con
-She's of, by, and for the collusion between big govt and big corp
-She's a shameless liar
-She's the most non-transparent politician in history
-She has stroke-induced brain damage
-She's a cuckquean
She is literally every reason not to vote for a politician all rolled into one person. But wait, there's more:
-She was fired from the Watergate investigation for lying and being unethical
-She lied about being named after Sir Edmund Hillary
-She lied throughout her Whitewater scandal
-She lied about taking "sniper fire" when visiting the Balkans during 90s
-She lied about Benghazi
-She lied throughout her email scandal and continues to lie about it
-She lied about being broke after leaving the White House
-She described blacks as being "super-predators"
-She hired a VP of Goldman-Sachs to be her 2016 campaign manager.
-She received millions of dollars from Goldman-Sachs for speaking engagements
-Her "charity" received tens of millions of dollars from Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan, Citigroup, and UBS
-Her "charity" received tens of millions of dollars from China, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, and the UAE
-She supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Turkey
-She voted for the Patriot Act twice
-She was "adamantly against illegal immigration" before she was for it
-She was opposed to gay marriage before she was for it
-She was a lawyer who defended a rapist and laughed at the plight of the 12 year old rape victim
-She approved the sale of US uranium to Russian nuclear corporations in exchange for millions of dollars in donations to her "charity"
-She gave out eight Secretary of State's Awards for Corporate Excellence, and seven were to corporations that donated millions to her "charity"
Coal isn't going anywhere for a while. It's ignorant to suggest otherwise. Even under a transition, it will still be needed.
This isn't mountain top excavation. Bitch wants to get rid of it all together and shell out benefits to those unemployed. Those are the wrong people to suggest that to.
>>73622651
>coal "minors"
>>73622651
Coal is needed for more than just coal power plants.
And Trump already has supported Nuclear energy. There are plenty of mines and potential mines in america that only aren't operating because of how slow we are with building nuclear power plants. Lot's of Uranium and Thorium in the US going untapped and unused.
>>73622651
Good luck, Virginia and West Virginia share the mountains. Coal is a big deal to Western Virginia as well as West Virginia, if not for Northern Virginia clowns, Virginia would be locked down for Trump as well.
>>73622651
>But isn't that dumb?
No, fuck off hippie.
>Aren't we moving on from coal?
Depends if the whore gets elected and continues Obama's history of executive overreach.
>Hillary has a detailed plan to transition the coal industry to new energy.
$0.01 has been deposited to your account.
>>73622651
Sanders is gonna win WV with 65%
Clinton won't win WVU in the primary or general.
Trump is the only repub choice.
Wv really, really hates Clinton.
>>73623028
That's why she proposed this
...today we are in the midst of a global energy transition. The shale revolution, low-cost renewable energy, energy efficiency improvements, and pressing concerns about the impact of coal combustion on public health and the global climate are reducing coal demand both in the US and around the world. Coal now accounts for only one third of US power generation, with domestic consumption falling by 25% over the past ten years. In China, nuclear and renewable energy are growing three times faster than coal-fired power , with more wind and solar capacity added last year than the US and Europe combined.
Building a 21st century clean energy economy in the United States will create new jobs and industries, deliver important health benefits, and reduce carbon pollution. But we can’t ignore the impact this transition is already having on mining communities, or the threat it poses to the healthcare and retirement security of coalfield workers and their families. This is particularly true in Appalachia, where production has been declining for decades, but impacts are beginning to be felt in the Illinois Basin and Western coalfields as well. And it’s not limited to mining communities: reduced coal shipments impact barge and railroad workers, and power plant closures can contribute to local job loss and economic distress.
Hillary Clinton is committed to meeting the climate change challenge as President and making the United States a clean energy superpower. At the same time, she will not allow coal communities to be left behind—or left out of our economic future. That’s why Clinton announced a $30 billion plan to ensure that coal miners and their families get the benefits they’ve earned and respect they deserve, to invest in economic diversification and job creation, and to make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century as they have been for generations.
>>73623028
>nuclear
>clean
>>73622805
or you guys can grow and adapt to changing market realities. you know, capitalism?
>>73622651
>Aren't we moving on from coal?
Only if you like the idea of using more expensive and less efficient sources of electricity for purely political reasons.
The rest of us are ok with coal.
>>73617993
I cover coal industry for a daily print publication ama
>>73623523
Capitalism yes, regulating them to death so that the state can die while third world countries still spew shit in the same atmosphere? No.
I'm going to be called a shill but I don't give a shit. You're right OP, Hillary is probably the most policy driven candidate in decades. Her website is full of detailed policies about all issues. Trump has... 7? policies. This coal thing is severely underrated and important, as a lot of swing states (Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania) are affected by this blue collar work participation.
>>73622651
>Aren't we moving on from coal?
There's no reason not to continue operating coal plants until alternative processes exist to supplant that energy.
IE: Don't lay off workers until you have new jobs lined up for them.
>>73623370
The point is that she appears to be pushing for an elimination of coal usage more than she's thinking of viable alternatives to combat the resultant loss of jobs. Her stance is pro-environment rather than pro-jobs, while Trump's is the opposite. He's saying we should keep coal until there's an alternative, she's saying we should abandon coal and explore alternatives. He's appealing to the common working man, she's appealing to the environmentalists.
>>73623400
Please explain how Nuclear is not clean. The waste can be put into a Molten Salt Reactor to be reused and plants are almost guaranteed to be safe with all modern day security and precautions. Face it, nuclear is the best source of energy we have.
>>73623689
Is coal really considered a huge pollutant r in the U.S. compared to the value it brings?
>>73622651
we are moving on from coal slowly, but the liberals crackpot schemes to force in renewables are terrible for working people
>>73624175
Basically this, idealists think we can just snap our fingers and suddenly change an entire industry but oops - turns out politicians who get all their information from pie charts don't know what the fuck is all going on.
>>73624057
Lol, they're leaking all over the planet and were designed like shit.
>>73624135
All of the SOx and NOx is captured now, those were the massive pollutants back in the day.
Right now, all you see coming out of a stack at a coal fired plant is water vapor and CO2 and private industry is developing the tech to capture and sequester CO2.
In Alberta, Canada, there is a fully operational plant with no CO2 emissions and two more are being built in the states right now.
Coal is cheap and effecient and one day it might even be totally clean. Also, east coast coal is dirty as fuck compared to coal from the powder river basin so it really depends on where it comes from.
Our regulations are killing an industry and will drive up energy prices while other nations keep shitting up the atmosphere.
>>73622651
It's worth it to keep the white communites intact. Either they mine coal or else they sit around and degenerate. What are they going to do without those jobs, learn to program and compete with pajeet?
Electric cars fucking run on coal.
The Jews will make sure electricity is as expensive as gas in the future with this "new energy" bullshit.
mine the coal
pay the toll
>>73625369
This. Where do you think the power comes from to create those electric cars and their parts (many of which are from China)?
>>73623523
Who is keeping them alive right now? The state or capitalism?
Who are you proposing should kill them right now? The state or capitalism?
He who sits in the glass house should not throw any etc
>>73623787
this is why we need socialism
technically, miners can mine more than just coal. But even then, cleaner coal energy is a possible endeavor.
afaik coal and nuclear are the only 24/7 energy producers, which is why we use them so extensively for the power grid
nuclear isn't viable everywhere because of earthquakes/tsunamis
we'll replace coal eventually but there's no viable way to do so immediately in states like WV without gouging their blue collar class
>>73622651
Let me tell you how a coal miner should read this.
>Hillary has a detailed plan to transition the coal industry to new energy.
I will take away your your livelihood and your ability to feed your children because hippies will vote for me if I do
>Trump just says "I'LL GIVE YOU JOBS LOL"
I will not take away your jobs or ability to feed your children
The sad part is once Hillary takes away their jobs, they will end up voting blue, just because they need the dems to give them more free shit just to survive.
It's like picking between being owned but cared for like animals, or being free, and people actually vote to become property because they realize they are either too useless or to lazy to prosper on their own.
>>73622651
>But isn't that dumb? Aren't we moving on from coal?
Yes and Yes.
>>73622805
>West Virginia can't exist without coal
Well then, get ready to not exist anymore. Or you can adapt.
>>73623028
>You can't put coal miners out of a job without new jobs to give them.
Sure you can. They're fucking up the planet. This is what you sound like.
>Those guys who dump crude oil into the ocean are important. You can't put them out of work without providing new jobs for them.
