Non-vegans, why aren't you vegan?
>BONUS ROUND: No "me like da taste muh god said muh dominion over da animals" replies allowed.
When will you realize you're no better than the 'lesser intelligent and wild parts of the human race' that you claim to hate?
>>73620826
I am not a vegan because I am not a faggot
>>73620826
Maybe you're no better than they, but I am.
>>73620948
/end thread
Safe sage
I am heterosexual
Because "straight vegans" reads like "mexican intellectuals"
Stop spamming this shit. weve had this thread every day and yesterday it was a russian person.
>>73621041
goddamn that looks tasty af, family
>>73620826
Because it is degenerate to be vegan. I don't want to turn into a monkey, sorry.
>>73620826
Can vegans eat fetuses? They aren't alive, right?
>>73620826
>why aren't you vegan?
because I don't want to be, and I have the choice not to be.
>>73620948
first post best post
>>73620826
I'm allergic to peanuts and soy
it would be very difficult to get the protein I would need on a vegan diet without them
Because it's a weird artificial diet that wouldn't exist if not for our safe little bubble of convenience
Also the attribution of morality to a diet is fucking retarded
kys
>>73620948
FPBP
>>73620826
I don't eat meats anyway to save money.
>>73621151
Just as alive as a plant is
No matter how hard Mexico shitposts, they will never be Australia-level shitposters.
>>73621329
Russia has lots of land why aren't you the breadbasket of Europe
Too cold? Or is the soil bad?
>>73620826
False flag post. All you need know is that Hitler didn't drink or smoke and ate a vegetarian diet.
>>73621410
Ukraine has the best soil and most of the land is wilderness. Apparently if the globe becomes warmer the north will be farm-able so we would do good then.
>>73621041
As am I. That food looks like shit and is probably made out of shit ingredients.
>>73621130
No. I do not eat meat and am also against homosexuality.
>>73620826
Can't be arsed to eat tons of nuts with lots of calories to get enough protein per day.
>>73621410
Russia export lots of grain actually, more than france or argentina and as much as canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wheat_exports
>why aren't you unnatural?
>>73620826
We're omnivores you fucking dingus.
Always have been, ALWAYS will be.
I'd like to go Vegan, but I don't currently have the money to do so.
If I wasn't a retard and actually got a good education to make me some money, I definitely would be one.
>Being vegan is natural!
>Needs iron, b12, etc suplements to not die of hemolitic anemia and a diversity of vegan products from all over the world that would had been imposible to adquire before mid XX century
>>73620826
>When will you realize you're no better than the 'lesser intelligent and wild parts of the human race' that you claim to hate?
call me when a chicken builds a fucking space rocket
fuck you
humans are superior
>>73620826
Because due to a genetic disorder and several physical malformations, I would die without meat.
>>73620826
me like da taste muh god said muh dominion over da animals
>>73622076
Humans were carnivores at first.
they started eating vegetables because they couldn't get enough meat, that why our metabolism can digest vegetable now.
>>73620826
I am not a vegan because God gave me dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Also, I like the taste of meat.
>>73622076
>Always have been
false
>>73622126
> >Being vegan is natural!
> >Needs iron, b12, etc suplements to not die of hemolitic anemia and a diversity of vegan products from all over the world that would had been imposible to adquire before mid XX century
Farm animals get b12 injections too, it's not from animal source it's actually a bacteria from soil that you would get too if you lacked clean water.
>NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>73621528
That's a meal for a man doing man stuff so you probably have a different appetite.
>>73620826
This fuckchild literally thinks humans and animals are the same
His sense of empathy is so bloated it melts his brain and makes him an unstoppable cuck
He gives fuck all about purpose and dignity and is a hedonist, the reason he identifies so much with animals is that his sense of self-control over his emotions and instincts is less than theirs.
Meat is my consumer product, and I will have as much of it as I want.
>>73622463
What's not an argument? you can only survive on a vegan diet for the past decades yet you can literally only eat meat of any animal in the world and be fine, humans are mainly carnivores.
>eating fucking animals is murder
>abortion isnt
vegan sjw cuck logic
Eating animal corpses should be reserved for primitive savages in Africa. Civilized white people are vegetarians.
It doesn't even have to involve the "morality" of it: livestock are the leading cause of land use, pollution, deforestation, and general destruction of the natural environment. Let the Africans turn their countries into worthless deserts. I want our countries to stay nice.
>>73620826
I'm a man. Veganism is first step to homosexuality and becoming nu-male. Also hunting is one of the manliest thing possible.
>>73621329
try chicken hearts. They are cheap as fuck here. It's like 20PLN for 1kg of normal meet and 5PLN for hearts. How much are bowels in your country?
>>73623095
You can't save the Earth. In the long run the only way forward is to settle out in space, and saving pennies by switching away from meat is plebby and pointless.
>>73623214
I'm a man too. I just don't want to eat corpses, no matter how good does it taste.
>>73621410
too much glug glug.
We didn't call it garðariki without a reason, it lit means empire of farms... Dats back in the days.
So fucking wast man, get it together. You don't got just shit soil like us either
>>73620826
>filename
Cheeky cunt
>>73622463
>the only thing that can sustain my special snowflake lifestyle is the ridiculous amount of resources I can get from living in a first world country in modern society
Also, it IS from animal sources. The animals get the B12 from plants, which get it from soil bacteria. You don't seem to understand 'bioavailability.' Humans can't as easily process B12 from non-animal sources. But no, please be retarded and kill yourself.
>>73622903
This isn't true, if you only ate natural unfarmed animals you would end up with multiple vitamin deficiencies too.
Your B12 is either injected into a cow or you take it as a pill. Neither is a natural diet. And why is that a bad thing? I appreciate the use of modern science and technology to improve our diets and make them better than those of our natural ancestors.
I only like vegetables as a supplement to a main course typically consisting of meat as the centre-piece. I couldn't eat vegetables entirely on their own - you need some meat in there to really finish it.
>>73623657
SENPAI NOTICED ME
>>73620948
fpbp
>>73623514
I agree that in the long term the solution is a space-travelling civilization, but unfortunately that's something that going to take decades or even centuries to happen. So in the near term I still think it's valuable to try and keep our countries green and pleasant. Yes, it's not a permanent solution, but avoiding livestock is certainly more than pennies. By some measures cows cause more pollution than cars, trains, and planes combined. Pic related, desertification in Africa due to livestock.
>>73620826
Flip here. We don't like to waste food.
If an animal dies, and I'm not allowed to eat it out of personal preference, that animal died for nothing.
>>73620826
Because human being has spent literally millions of years consuming animal products. 2.8 million years of the genus homo have bee consuming animal products. You wanna know where a bunch of diseases started popping up? Where all of our dental problems began? Agriculture and civilization. People went from literally an average height of about 5'9" for men (comparable to today) to like 5'2" because we stopped having as much access to animal products like we did when we were hunting and gathering. It's only been until recently when people's diets have started to include plenty of meat with a wide array of animal proteins and animal fats, that we started getting tall and strong again. Veganism is literally a way of making people weak, small, and frail. A paleo-inspired diet is the ultimate dietary redpill.
>>73620826
>Italy
>Gay
Who would have guessed
Because vegans needlessly kill rabbits foxes and various other vegetable eating animals when they get into their crops. At least us humans eat what we kill.
>>73623757
> if you only ate natural unfarmed animals you would end up with multiple vitamin deficiencies too.
Nope
>>73624143
>misunderstanding that pic
You realize that it's actually the opposite in the that pic right? On the right is AFTER they let large herds of livestock (probably goats in this case) feed and pass through, right? There's huge studies and essentially desertification happens because of a lack of herds of animals, right?
>>73624143
You're also retarded btw. The thing I was referring to in: >>73624834
https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI
>>73624143
You took this from a ted talk. The entire thing is the grasslands are dying because we've killed off roaming herds and used the land for livestock. He promotes cycling locations for livestock in order to immitate herds to regrow the land.
>>73625023
This.
>>73620948
first post best post
>>73622308
>Humans were carnivores
i want to believe but can i have some sauce on that?
>>73620826
Because you make this faggot thread every day so I eat meat to spite you
>>73620826
Because I'm a heartless monster
>>73621041
>>73625251
stop please I haven't had good food like this in a long time
Oh this is a new one
>'lesser intelligent and wild parts of the human race'
Species is a social construct : ^ )
>>73625251
oh god fuck you i need to keep my diet.
>>73620826
I have anemia, and the only thing that I've found to work through trial and error is bloody meat.
I'm also a fucking savage when I've got a hemoglobin over 67
>Recent evidence from large prospective US and European cohort studies and from meta-analyses of epidemiological studies indicates that the long-term consumption of increasing amounts of red meat and particularly of processed meat is associated with an increased risk of total mortality, cardiovascular disease, colorectal cancer and type 2 diabetes, in both men and women. The association persists after inclusion of known confounding factors, such as age, race, BMI, history, smoking, blood pressure, lipids, physical activity and multiple nutritional parameters in multivariate analysis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26780279
>Vegetarian diets confer protection against cardiovascular diseases, cardiometabolic risk factors, some cancers and total mortality. Compared to lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets, vegan diets seem to offer additional protection for obesity, hypertension, type-2 diabetes, and cardiovascular mortality. Males experience greater health benefits than females.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
>A low-fat, starch-based, vegan diet eaten ad libitum for 7 days results in significant favorable changes in commonly tested biomarkers that are used to predict future risks for cardiovascular disease and metabolic diseases.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25311617
>vegetarians and vegans have a reduced chance of developing cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048091/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25751512
>Eating meat makes you more likely to develop diabetes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23779232
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21831992
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942738/
> In comparison with the control group, the vegan athlete showed a higher oxygen intake
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24826311
>>73620948
>he literally has no response to this
well i guess that's it. Vegans utterly and eternally BTFO
>>73620826
Because I don't give a fuck about farm animals. Argue that fag.
>>73620826
Shut up, jew.
Fuck you and your queer shit.
>>73620826
Because plants are alive too.
>>73620826
It's irrelevant and uninteresting
>>73625527
>Recent evidence from large prospective US and European cohort studies and from meta-analyses of epidemiological studies indicates that the long-term consumption of increasing amounts of red meat and particularly of processed meat is associated with an increased risk of total mortality, cardiovascular disease, colorectal cancer and type 2 diabetes, in both men and women. The association persists after inclusion of known confounding factors, such as age, race, BMI, history, smoking, blood pressure, lipids, physical activity and multiple nutritional parameters in multivariate analysis.
>the long-term consumption of increasing amounts of red meat and particularly of processed meat
>and particularly of processed meat
Hmmmm. It's almost like eating processed foods no matter what, are bad for you.
>Vegetarian diets confer protection against cardiovascular diseases, cardiometabolic risk factors, some cancers and total mortality. Compared to lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets, vegan diets seem to offer additional protection for obesity, hypertension, type-2 diabetes, and cardiovascular mortality. Males experience greater health benefits than females.
So you mean to tell me that when people pay more attention to what they're eating they tend to be healthier than those that don't? Wow! What a /shocker/
>A low-fat, starch-based, vegan diet eaten ad libitum for 7 days results in significant favorable changes in commonly tested biomarkers that are used to predict future risks for cardiovascular disease and metabolic diseases.
All that says is that the those biomarkers present an incomplete picture. Also, again, compare it to most people's diet of course reducing saturated fats, transfats, and processed foods from someone's diet is better than not. Doesn't mean that veganism is the best thing since the fucking wheel you delusional faggot.
(cont)
>>73624143
>it's valuable to try and keep our countries green and pleasant.
Why not keep our steaks pleasant?
I completely see what you are saying, but the truth of the matter is, the underlying issue is the use of animals to humans. Animal activists just use animals for romanticism / admiration, like art, because that is the current trend in art. And similarly, we can create reserves where animals live naturally so that we can admire the natural way of life. In fact, let there be privatisation of nature reserves, and you'll see animals being protected and multiplied like crazy.
>>73621449
That was a matter of his own personal choice.
He didn't try to mandate it for everyone like these faggots do.
Most animals would fucking eat us in a heartbeat if they could.
>>73625927
>So you mean to tell me that when people pay more attention to what they're eating they tend to be healthier than those that don't? Wow! What a /shocker/
The point is that being vegan is healthier then an omnivore diet as long as you get all the nutrients you need because of how it reduces the risk of disease.
>>73625927
>vegetarians and vegans have a reduced chance of developing cancer
>Eating meat makes you more likely to develop diabetes
>In comparison with the control group, the vegan athlete showed a higher oxygen intake
Again, you're taking studies that look at single risk factors and very specifically choosing which ones. I can tell you that eating cooked veggies instead of raw ones reduces your risk of getting sicking of salmonella but that doesn't actually mean anything. Also I take issue with the "athletes show higher oxygen intake" doesn't address the protein and fat deficiencies that would happen from that kind of diet.
I am vegan. Meat is fucking disgusting, plus if I ever tried eating meat again I would probably be pretty fucking constipated. My bowel movements are insanely smooth ever since I've evolved.
>>73621449
People are always calling me and asking me how I've raised such great kids
I tell them:
NO CIGARETTES
NO DRUGS
NO ALCOHOL
>>73620826
Hunting and eating meat led to the rise in brainsize and intelligence. Go be a prey animal elsewhere.
>>73626083
>The point is that being vegan is healthier then an omnivore diet
Not at all, that YOUR conclusion. The objective take on that statement is that people who are vegan or veterinarian tend to pay more attention to what they eat than your average person. That doesn't mean that animal products are bad, rather that your average person's diet is awful.
>as long as you get all the nutrients you need because of how it reduces the risk of disease.
>as long as you get all the nutrients you need
Which you literally can't. You LITERALLY cannot get a few amino acids without meat, specifically red meat.
>>73620826
For one, i don't need a feels-cult to diet properly.
2ndly, Cooking is important to me.
Vegan cooking is fucking joke, watching you guys struggle in the kitchen is good for the occasional laugh... but really, it's a slap in the face to our species cooking heritage.
>>73626123
>doesn't address the protein and fat deficiencies that would happen from that kind of diet
As long as you do it properly and frequently eat vegans sources of those like beans & rice,nuts,seeds,avocados, etc then you won't develop any deficiency of them
vegan food is horrible most of the time
>>73626188
Yeah, and you probably enjoy sucking on a penis every day, too.
Maybe you only shit smoothly because your faggot asshole has been stretched out for you by your boyfriend... since you "evolved".
>>73620826
Ignoring that humans won the evolutionary war, veganism wasn't popular until we developed modern flight technology. As such we evolved as obligate omnivores, with a diet in that contained both meat and plant matter. To this end, we can't survive on vegan diets that don't rely on importation of specific plants to compensate for the lower levels of some nutrients found in local plant life. As well, we have to eat far more plant matter, as a mass, compared to meat to get similar caloric and nutrient intake. I'd rather eat a steak than constantly have to eat spinach and kale. That being said, we should be working to reduce the suffering of animals bred in captivity to feed us, especially since releasing them into the wild would result in their extinction, particularly of bovine species.
>>73620826
Humans are designed to eat meat. We've evolved alongside animals for thousands of years and eating them. Why should we stop now just because a few cucks cry about farming?
The pig wouldn't even exist if we didn't eat it. Do you want it to go extinct?
I eat whatever the fuck I want exactly because I want it that way. No amount of vegans getting salty over it and trying to force their shit on me will change that. Actually, it's hilarious.
Because my hair is not dyed an unnatural color and I have no tattoos or piercings.
>>73626360
You really don't get it do you? Even by eating like three lbs of beans, nuts, and seeds you won't be getting the right variety of proteins and thus not all of the amino acids.
>>73626188
Nah, that's the dicks opening up your asshole senpai
>>73626332
Meat has nothing that you can't get from other natural vegan sources. Some of the things like B12 can only be found in 1 or 2 vegan foods but its possible to get everything if you do the right research.
>You LITERALLY cannot get a few amino acids without meat
Your body only needs the essential ones to be healthy and all of them can be found in vegan food.
>>73620826
I'm a strong opennt of the cruelty in the meat industry. I'm against suffering of animals. But I just genuinly don't feel like animals killing other animals in order to eat is ethically reprehensible.
>>73626536
Yeah the pig would, they go feral pretty much instantly and destroy the local ecosystem by eating everything. Most countries in North America allow year round hunting of feral hogs with no limits or licensing beyond any required to get guns because they're so destructive. Cows, chickens, and turkeys would die off though.
>>73620826
Because human beings are omnivores and not herbivores you thick nigger.
>>73626606
Your body only needs the essential amino acids and all of them are easily obtainable with vegan food. Hemp seeds alone contain all of them and many vegan food combinations form complete proteins.
>>73620826
Because humans are omnivorous.
why should I?
>>73626735
>Yeah the pig would, they go feral pretty much instantly and destroy the local ecosystem by eating everything.
Vegans seem to think animals exist purely to amuse us, living out their lives in perfect harmony while we look on eating a salad.
As if domestication wasn't a thing.
>>73626935
I am a clinical chemist. I have a masters in clinical chemistry specifically.
The western diet is certainly too rich in meat but the human body is designed to eat some meat and our health suffers without it.
There is simply no argument to this. Its biological fact.
>>73626332
>The point is that being vegan is healthier then an omnivore diet
If for "healthier" we use the reasonable definition of "less likely to develop a number of serious diseases and less likely to be overweight" then yes they are healthier
>Not at all, that YOUR conclusion. The objective take on that statement is that people who are vegan or veterinarian tend to pay more attention to what they eat than your average person. That doesn't mean that animal products are bad, rather that your average person's diet is awful.
Except almost all of the studies control for those factors and exclude people from the control group who would sway the results with what you described and when researchers conduct analyses and reviews of dozens of studies and exclude the ones with poor methodologies the results still hold true.
>>73626687
>Neither plants nor animals make vitamin B12. Bacteria are responsible for producing vitamin B12. Animals get their vitamin B12 from eating foods contaminated with vitamin B12 and then the animal becomes a source of vitamin B12. Plant foods do not contain vitamin B12 except when they are contaminated by microorganisms or have vitamin B12 added to them. Thus, vegans need to look to fortified foods or supplements to get vitamin B12 in their diet. Although recommendations for vitamin B12 are very small, a vitamin B12 deficiency is a very serious problem leading ultimately to irreversible nerve damage. Prudent vegans will include sources of vitamin B12 in their diets. Vitamin B12 is especially important in pregnancy and lactation and for infants and children.
This is from a vegan course btw: http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.php
>Your body only needs the essential ones to be healthy and all of them can be found in vegan food.
>this is what Vegans tell themselves
And the medical establishment used to say that you need a glass of milk a day, or a bunch of "healthy" carbs, or whatever else in order to be healthy. The reality later became that milk and other dairy products with lactose aren't that great for you but are purely a supplement for a lack of calcium that we would normally get from bone marrow. "Healthy" carbs are just an excuse to make 40%+ of your diet carbohydrates that are easier to grow and store. There was also the demonetization of fats which we now know is bullshit and only kinda applies to saturated fat.
Eating meat is healthy. Vegans have a shorter average lifespan.
There's not a good enough reason to be.
Animals don't give a shit if you eat them cause they're not sentient. They eat each other anyway.
>>73627259
>Calcium comes from bone marrow
You are a retard.
>>73620826
I like meat and i don't give a shit about other species. I don't care how intelligent they are. I don't care if being vegan is healthier. I'm a fucking omnivore. Fuck off.
>>73627258
>If for "healthier" we use the reasonable definition of "less likely to develop a number of serious diseases and less likely to be overweight" then yes they are healthier
Holy fuck you're retarded and have no critical thinking skills, do you?
>Except almost all of the studies control for those factors and exclude people from the control group who would sway the results with what you described and when researchers conduct analyses and reviews of dozens of studies and exclude the ones with poor methodologies the results still hold true.
Sure thing buddy.
>>73620826
Oh look it's this thread again
>>73620826
>Non-vegans, why aren't you vegan?
Knowing that something died so I can live makes me happy.
>>73627366
>intentionally misunderstanding the argument
It's not like it produces it, rather that the way that hunter/gatherers got a lot of their calcium was by eating bone marrow.
>>73622308
Typical, know-nothing, know-it-all, leftist faggot who makes shit up, or repeats shit some other know-nothing faggot made up in an attempt to appear intelligent to people as stupid as he is.
But to the rest of us, you are nothing more than an obvious dumb-assed, cock-sucking faggot.
I'm a vegetarian, I've heard from a few people that their reasoning is financial, or because they're allergic to some of the things we might use to get protein
I don't think there's an allergy to kale or beans, but I believe there's an allergy to soy and I'm certain there's one for nuts
>>73627312
>Animals don't give a shit if you eat them cause they're not sentient. They eat each other anyway.
this is a pretty good point
i can get why humans, and even mature great apes would be pissed if you ate them or their friends
animals are literally too dumb to give a shit and eat each other all the time
>>73627212
>The western diet is certainly too rich in meat but the human body is designed to eat some meat and our health suffers without it.
>There is simply no argument to this.
Thats bullshit
If its not done properly we suffer. However it can be done properly and not cause any issues, being vegan also reduces the chances of developing some serious illnesses, see >>73625527
The only way our body suffers is if we don't get the required nutrients that our bodies need.
Thats it. There is no magical secret ingredient in meat that we are unhealthy if we don't get. All of the nutrients that your body needs can be obtained from vegan sources and as long as you make sure you get them then there is no negative health effect and you have the added positive of not suffering from the negative health effects that meat causes in humans such as inflammation.
>>73626935
If you can make me a pumpkin seed that tastes like and has the texture of a burger or a steak I'll go for it
otherwise fuck off
>>73627503
You don't have to chow down on bones to have adequate calcium. Its quite rich in most foods. No one has calcium problems except old women because their hormones let them down. No one should ever give a fuck about calcium.
its a meme.
>>73621052
delete this
>>73622418
We did have ancestors who were more or less herbivores; sadly, they didn't make it. It was the meat-eating hominids that survived in the end.
>>73627725
>You don't have to chow down on bones to have adequate calcium.
>he thinks that's how you'd consume calcium
Also just because you don't develop osteoporosis or something doesn't mean you're getting enough calcium
>>73620826
Because I understand perfectly well I am an animal.
Spefically an omnivore.
And therefore I will fulfill my dietary needs with both meat and non-meat food.
Simple isn't it?
>>73620826
I'm a nihilist so I don't give a fuck.
>>73620948
I was going to say something else, but this is better
>>73620826
Because fuck you.
>>73627659
That doesnt change scientific fact that we are meant to eat small amounts of meat. Does it?
>>73620826
It's a good thing we aren't vegans, or pigs/cows/sheep would be on the endangered species list to make room for all that precious grain
>give animals life
>look after them, their wellbeing is our wellbeing
>allow them to thrive
>give them a swift, painless death
>make sure no part of their body is wasted
>>73627806
Please listen to me. Unless you are an old woman you are never to consider if there is enough calcium in your diet EVER again.
>>73620826
>human body designed through evolution to consume meat
>human body requires fat and protein to function
>pain in the ass to avoid just meats, nevermind animal products altogether, and still maintain a healthy diet without breaking the bank, and I'm lazy and cheap
>not a gigantic faggot holier-than-thou hipster
Your "Bonus Round" exception is bullshit. Both are legitimate reasons not to find eating meat immoral. Wording it to sound retarded doesn't make it a retarded argument, and if you think it does, you are a shithead.
>>73621510
>why aren't you the breadbasket of Europe
>Ukraine has the best soil
Like he said - why aren't you the breadbasket of Europe Russia?
>>73628069
>Morally justifying yourself to people
Dont do that. Thats for retards. Meat being immoral is not an argument.
>>73627986
Depends on your diet, again. Then again you're clinical chemist and our understanding of science never changes or anything :^)
>>73621130
How is it degenerate? If anything it's a good thing because you are taking charge of your own health. Drinking milk literally causes a calcium defecit in your body.
>>73620826
Because chicken, beef, deer, pheasant, turkey, and fish are all delicious and free other than cost of ammo and feed.
Also populations need to be controlled, especially deer and turkeys. You're literally doing a disservice to the eco-system by not eating deer and turkeys.
And fish are supplied and controlled in fishing lakes for the sole purpose of eating.
Clean kills are humane and vegan food tastes like ass and doesn't provide a complete protein.
I'm against factory farming though and don't, or at least try my hardest, to not eat it.
>>73620826
1. Meat has proteins minerals and vitamins that are hard to find in whatever the fuck you eat as substitute
2. Meat is readily available everywhere, whereas special vegan meals....aren't.
3. Economies are dependent on meat in every country.
4. All animals would go extinct if we didn't farm em, just like the animals we don't eat, with the exception of charities.
5. Gravy
6. I don't want to be an asshole vegan.
>all this retarded meat eaters get so salty about something nice and healthy
Did you know that the roman gladiators meals where 100% vegetarian?
>bones of gladiators where stronger, fractures healed faster
>broken bones of meat eating rich folk never healed that great and fast
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2801412/roman-gladiators-ate-vegetarian-diet-washed-sports-drink-plant-ashes-vinegar.html
meat retards BTFO
>>73628457
Farm pandas, it's the only way.
>>73628257
No. My professional opinion is that you are completely wrong on this subject. Nice smug face. That makes your non argument seem stronger.
Just kidding. Makes you seem like an embarrassed kid.
>>73628452
This. Unless you want to reintroduce a bunch of predator species, humans have to become the predators. I wish I lived in an area where I could hunt and fish for most of my stuff though. Unfortunately not so much.
>>73626822
This.
Plus I made this today and it was amazing, why wouldn't you want to eat this , OP?
>>73628515
Now you're talking!
>>73627259
That is outdated info.
>Vitamin B12-containing plant food sources for vegetarians.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24803097
dried purple seaweed contains B12
>A nutritional analysis was conducted on the dietary intake of a group of 6 vegan children aged 7 to 14 who had been living on a vegan diet including brown rice for from 4 to 10 years, and on that of an age-matched control group. In addition, their serum vitamin B12 levels and other data (red blood cell count, hematocrit, hemoglobin, etc.) were determined in the laboratory. In vegans' diets, 2-4 g of nori (dried laver), which contained B12, were consumed daily. Not a single case of symptoms due to B12 deficiency was found. There were no statistically significant differences between the two groups with respect to any of the examination data, including B12 levels (p < 0.05). Therefore, consumption of nori may keep vegans from suffering B12 deficiency.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8926531/
>Your body only needs the essential ones to be healthy and all of them can be found in vegan food.
>this is what Vegans tell themselves
No, thats a proven fact and basic nutritional info that anyone with a PhD will confirm for you.
>>73627379
>Except almost all of the studies control for those factors and exclude people from the control group who would sway the results with what you described and when researchers conduct analyses and reviews of dozens of studies and exclude the ones with poor methodologies the results still hold true.
Sure thing buddy.
If they had poor methodologies then they wouldn't be published in most cases.
When its been proven as a fact that
1) meat causes inflammation
2) inflammation is a core cause of cancer and other illnesses
3) Eating meat increases the risk of getting cancer
4) vegans/vegetarians have a lower rate of cancer and have less inflammation then meat eaters
then you can be pretty sure its the meat causing the cancer
>>73622126
The only vegans that do that are the ones that live off a high-carb diet. Even though it's cheaper, eating potatoes for Every meal is a stupid decision new vegans make.
>>73628561
>british """"food""""
>>73628451
>drinking calcium causes calcium deficiency
Gonna need a source, bud.
>>73628489
>Did you know that the roman gladiators meals where 100% vegetarian?
Wow, you mean to tell me that I should eat like a slave then?
>bones of gladiators where stronger, fractures healed faster
>broken bones of meat eating rich folk never healed that great and fast
Did you ever stop to consider that it had more to do with the shitty diets of the wealthy, the inbreeding, and the fact that they were often inactive? Oh no, it must be because veggie are just like the best thing ever :^)
>>73620826
>why aren't you vegan?
I'm pro-cannibalism.
>>73622107
It doesn't cost much to be vegan. If you have access to chain restaurants, google what vegans can have at certain places and order that. It's often less expensive to eat out, actually.
>>73620826
We have small/medium sized intestines for the digestion of meat, for example: Lions have small intestines used for the quick digestion of foods to process high nutrient diets which are only 25ft long,
Human beings NEED TO CONSUME MEAT and other foods with lipid fats because our intestines prove this, the high nutrient diets we get from meat can only be gained from meat due to the fact they are easily broken down and digested in the stomach, cows have four stomachs to break down plants, horses have only one stomach but a long gut giraffes, okapis, deer, chevrotains, antelopes, sheep, and goats. Most of these animals do have four-chambered stomachs because although plants contain vitamins and are healthy they take a long time to break down and consume.
The length of a human intestine is merely 30 feet, 5 feet longer than a lions if we were looking at this from a biological standpoint that would place us directly in the carnivore region.
A FULL GROWN COW HAS INTESTINES THAT ARE 40 METERS LONG TO BREAK DOWN VEGETABLES.
NOT FEET, METERS.
The vegans I know in real life are weak fragile, and generally tired people that need to lay down all the time since they lack the energy that meat provides them.
>>73628561
dont boil your greens for so long before you put them in the pan next time, will stop them losing as much of their colour
>>73628831
>veganism requires you to be cooked for
Hmmmmm
>>73628606
All your reasons mean nothing: The fact that people still make the effort to produce meat, despite it being more expensive, means that plp don't care enough about those reasons to become vegan. Most of us are content with how we eat. Go suck an eggplant.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3189454/The-secret-man-s-intelligence-POTATOES-Humans-evolved-large-brains-ancestors-ate-starchy-carbohydrates.html
We never developed because we hunted, we developed because of tasty carbs.
> /pol/ think it's redpilled
>denies studies and logic
>>73625527
>>73627258
>>73627659
>>73628606
Quit avatar-fagging cunt
>>73628756
Its Norwegian actually.
pinnekjott
>>73620826
Meat eaters are at the top of the food chain. I have eaten shark and alligator, maybe I will eat you next?
>>73626123
>veggies
DUUUDE
>>73622769
Many people are vegans for reasons beyond just feeling sorry for animals. Cattle farming leads to deforestation and the large-scale demand for it is causing America to lose jobs. Cheaper and easier to cut down forests in Argentina and Brazil than in USA.
>>73620826
The only thing I enjoy more then eating is killing, hence I hunt and fish.
It is no co-incidence that lesser evolved parts of the globe (india, africa, etc) don't eat enough meat!
who /vegetarian/ here
>>73623757
Yes, thanks to scientific advances, I can eat meat ethically.
https://youtu.be/C1nxaQhsaaw
Why aren't you eating meat anon?
>>73620826
>Non-vegans, why aren't you vegan?
I've got a boner for murder.
>>73628943
Latvia confirmed for center of human civilization.
>>73628772
>Wow, you mean to tell me that I should eat like a slave then?
ofc they would eat meat if they could, but these "slaves" where alot more worth than the average house slave.
They owners invested years to find the best diet so their pretty strong boy slaves could win and make good money
>Did you ever stop to consider that it had more to do with the shitty diets of the wealthy, the inbreeding, and the fact that they were often inactive? Oh no, it must be because veggie are just like the best thing ever :^)
Inbreeding has nothing to do with healing of broken bones.
Normal diet for rich persons in ancient rome was olive oil, veggies, bread, and meat meat meat.
Meat was just for the wealthy, olive oil too.
It's surprising that even if you have a healthy diet meat still fucks your shit up.
>>73626536
Source?
>>73627942
Its not a scientific fact though. In pre-modern times when there was little sanitation and cleanliness involved in farming there would have been B12 in the plants they farmed as well as other sources such as mentioned in this study I cited here >>73628606
Its a scientific fact we were meant to eat B12, there are non-meat sources of it but they tend to be relatively uncommon or incompatible with modern farming. Still though that doesn't mean we are meant to eat meat, it only means we are meant to eat B12 which of course does not require meat or supplements.
>>73628850
Everything that our bodies need nutrition-wise can be obtained from vegan sources - that effectively disproves the assertion that "Human beings NEED TO CONSUME MEAT"
>>73620948
FPBP
Vegans are all low test losers. They're massively insecure and have to justify their shitty life choices by trying to get people on the internet to affirm them. This whole thread is a plea for attention from a loser.
>>73627269
Source or bs
>>73629341
t. fat ass
>>73620826
Tried it, did it for 20 years, realized it sucked, realized every vegan I'd known was a total fucking loon and I no longer wanted to be associated with the movement in any capacity, quit and never looked back, never felt better.
Simple as that, OP. Nothing wrong with wanting to not be cruel to animals unnecessarily, but vegans are fucking batshit crazy ideologues who are so out of touch with reality, it's downright annoying. That, and I'm done with "movements" that use constant lies to further the cause because they believe the ends justifies the means. Nope, not ever again.
>>73629282
>Inbreeding has nothing to do with healing of broken bones.
Wew lad, I'm not even going to argue with you. You're a fucking moron
>>73628606
this
>>73628918
enjoy your cancer
>>73620826
Vegans don't exist
me like da taste
>>73628850
Why cadavers fetishists always go full retard assuming there's nothing in between raw meat and grass?
>>73629292
My source is thousands of years of human evolution.
>>73620826
Why would I care what you pasta niggers think? Go look for your own answers.
bcuz i can, i want and i love to eat their fucking sweet/salty meat
>>73620948
FPBP
>>73628769
Certainly BB
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/18/the-milk-myth-what-your-body-really-needs.aspx
http://epicureandigest.com/2013/06/04/milk-myths-and-utter-nonsense/
>>73629599
humans are designed to eat vegetables and fruits
lmao@yourlife
>>73629431
>never felt better.
you can tell this post is pure bullshit if you are a vegan who has ever eaten meat by accident
you feel like total shit for days and have horrible digestive problems
>>73628987
>pepe posting is avatar fagging
mad that you can't shitpost huh?
>>73628918
>All your reasons mean nothing
All of the reasons only have to do with the fact that veganism when done right is healthier which is a fact and its been proven, I'm not claiming anything else or saying people need to change.
Poor ass college student and can't afford vegan tofu and soy shit, much less choke it down.
>>73620826
the meatball is at it again
>>73629441
Just take a look at the mediterranean diet
>Bread, olive products, pasta, veggies, very rarely fish or cheese products, even rarer meat.
And they were the healthiest countries of all europe til the mcdonalds jew came
>>73628899
Sounds like someone doesn't know what they're saying ;)
Mexican places are great bc they have beans and rice and salsa. Tortillas too. Lots of options.
>>73629734
Yeah, alongside meat dipshit.
I would love for all vegans to spend a month or two in the bush and try to live off the land.
Fuckers will be eating meat within 3 weeks of starving.
>>73629315
Humans need to consume meat. That is my professional opinion as a clinical chemist.
>>73629599
And you have been here for all of those years? Yikes. I hope you moisturized under those crow's feet
>>73620826
I completely recognise that being vegan when you are able to maintain a healthy diet with the correct and proportionate nutrients/vitamins/protein/carbs etc. i.e you live in a first world country where it is possible to achieve this through food sources and dietary supplements is virtually objectively morally superior and ultimately the correct thing to do if you are capable of doing so.
However, I won't, because I like an omnivorous diet.
People aren't always completely moral, sorry but it's the truth. It's like asking murderers, why aren't you non-murderers? Or thieves, why aren't you non-thieves? Hell even Anti-poverty activists, why don't you build homes for the homeless?
People don't always do the right thing.
>>73620826
Because humans can't live without taking lives. If I'm killing microorganisms anyway, why not kill chicken? I don't how they're better than some bacterias that my body is killing every day.
>>73626536
>>73629599
>Humans are designed to eat meat.
wrong, we were designed by evolution to eat a mix of different types of nutrition all of which can be found in vegan sources.
>Why should we stop now just because a few cucks cry about farming?
To reduce your risk of getting a disease that will kill you or reduce your quality of life
>>73629913
But that's just wrong, eating meat is known to cause harm to your body.
Accept the truth fat ass.
>>73620826
Why do faggots like OP always do bonus round or nightmare mode in which you aren't allowed to use reasons or counterpoints?
>>73629933
People will eat other people if they're hungry enough.
Flag explains it all
>>73629798
>mad that you can't shitpost huh?
Reported
>>73620826
I can only replenish my energy by consuming the lifeforce animals.
>>73625270
The Inuits.
>>73630113
>this logic
>see flag
ah i see lmao
>>73620826
me like da taste muh god said muh dominion over da animals
>>73630119
Why would I want to live longer if I couldn't eat meat? That's not a life worth living.
>>73630246
>russia takes lives
>britain takes a cock up the ass from arabs
>>73628943
vegans-literally retarded so much so that they don't even read their own sources
>Eating meat was credited with allowing humans to develop large brains
>But study suggests cooked starchy foods like potatoes were vital too
>too
now I want you to take a step back and think what that choice of words means
also my dear fucktarded hippie kraut no amount of debate on the importance of carbs and proteins in our evolution is relevant if you don't account that cooking is what enabled us to actually evolve
I want you to go out and eat absolutely raw vegetables and pasture and we will see how fucking vegan your organism is when you are starving 3 weeks in
>>73630255
bC you got to live the dream dude
>>73620826
Because a vegan diet is deficient, unhealthy, and non sustainable, either health wise or conservation wise.
>>73630368
>mfw i'm from northern ireland
no arabs here, tyrone
>>73624143
>reading comprehension
jesus christ you plant eaters are filth
>>73620826
Im like half-vegetarian. I make a cutoff of what I eat depending on "How close to humans" a species is. I go fishing, and I personally kill a lot of living fish to use as bait for the lobsters I catch, the lobsters which will be taken home by some guy half way around the world to be cooked alive. Hell, I just had lobster early. They were boiled alive. But I wont boil alive amphibians or reptiles, and I certainly wont do that to mammals. I never eat pork or any kind of meat from pig, unless it's already been prepared by a family member. I rarely eat red meat anyway now. I consider myself "Morally consistent".
>>73629802
Beans and rice together are a complete protein and are SUPER-cheap when you buy both dried and in bulk and not in premade bags/cans
>>73629970
You are entitled to your opinion and thats fine, but unless you can specifically name some things that can only be found in meat that its unhealthy for us not to eat then your opinion its not worth much.
>>73630393
>greece
because of what you said i'm only letting you get away this one time
>>73630393
Vegans are retarded, their entire diet depends on imported foods from all over the world. If they were so concerned with the environment they would not eat imported foods at all because of the massive carbon emissions used transport and harvest such crops.
I have never met a poor vegan, dumb fucks have never gone more than a day without food. I would love to see them survive long term on locally farmed produce.
>>73620826
>When will you realize you're no better than the 'lesser intelligent and wild parts of the human race' that you claim to hate?
only because people like vegans are holding us back. how about instead of harassing people who eat meat, you stop being a smelly fucking hippy and revaluate your life?
people are only animals due to left wing views on sex, culture, economy and social interaction. you cannot honestly believe that simply not eating meat makes us superior to animals when you do nothing but decry the control of animalistic instincts like that of sexual "liberation".
nah m8, you're a fucking hypocrite.
>>73630499
if it's ireland then why does it show britain
>>73620826
>arguing for veganism on the basis or "morals"
Ya blew it fresh out the gate m8
>>73630586
Generally god tier positions on meat in this post but I'm also assuming you're against abortion.
>>73630660
stralia brings the bantz
>>73620826
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WzKDdj0CxY
Enjoying myself while I'm still alive is more important than putting off the inevitable for few more years.
>>73630219
>Reported
oooohh I'm scared!
>trying to ban someone for posting several types of the most popular meme on 4chan because you're butt-blasted
goosfraba
>>73620826
When will vegetarians admit plants have souls and can be stressed too, and that eating one form of life is literally no better than eating another form of life to sustain your own life.
In principle it's the same.
I will concede the meat industry is far from catching and eating your own meat. But that is beside the moral point.
>>73621019
I agree with that gentleman
I eat meats of various animals because not a fag
>>73630881
I'm not scared, it must be you since you reply to all my shitposts.
>>73630792
Half-half. Sure, abortion if there's something to abort. But if you have unprotected sex, or are raped, it should be your responsibility to report in as soon as pregnancy can be detectable, so you can get an abortion before it becomes significantly human. But abortion after like 3 months is ridiculous; no good.
>>73630091
Thats a reasonable stance to take and these threads would be over a lot faster if other people realized what you do.
They always end up reaching the reply limit though because people insist on posting things about it that aren't true and then they get refuted and it becomes a cycle.
>>73630255
There are all sorts of non-meat foods that taste great and in 30-40 years the biotechnology will be so advanced anyway they will be able to make meat-free food that tastes like the best meat you ever had in your life.
>>73630658
South Africa is a net importer of food m8 I wouldn't be talking...
Also, there are many areas of the world that you could easily grow everything vegan that you need locally.
>>73630660
>people being healthier and using up the resources of healthcare systems is holding us back
sure thing
>>73631444
>people being healthier and using up the resources of healthcare systems is holding us back
social healthcare isn't inherently left wing, economically or otherwise, but you can continue to misrepresent my argument while your country ruins itself giving free shit to ungrateful niggers and cunts because we've already got it and you don't matter to me.
>>73631212
I didn't meant to imply you were scared I posted that to imply that I thought it was silly that you reported me and that I didn't take it seriously or expect to be banned.
>it must be you since you reply to all my shitposts.
Kek, how does that make me scared? All I did was reply to one post of yours to tell you that posting pepes is not avatar-fagging and then I made fun of you for reporting me, all the other posts I've made have been about the health/science of veganism. Nothing that I've done indicates that I'm scared.
The only vegans I knew are all back to eating meat now.
They eventually realized how stupid they were being.
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>>73628987
>>73629874
>Mexican places are great bc they have beans and rice and salsa. Tortillas too. Lots of options.
Mexican beans are cooked with pig,
Tortillas with lard.
Rice is prepared with chicken stock.
Why even eat out? "vegan-cooking" is an oxymoron. Make it yourself you lazy fuck, literally just boiling vegetables.
>>73625527
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26780279
Epidemiology, worthless study not conducted in a lab, affected by a variety of factors like the fact that meat eaters exercise less, smoke more and drink more, use an intervention study not this trash
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
again epidemiology
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2531167
a plant based diet is healthier than the standard american diet full of junk carbs and shitty oils, what a fucking surprise. try comparing it to an acutal meat based diet
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048091/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25751512
epidemiology, increased fibre intake increases chance of colon cancer http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
note that in this study despite the fact that the meat eaters were eating less fibre they still had more cancer because of what i mentioned earlier, eating meat decreases risk of inflammation and unlike your shitty studies this is an intervention study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17237312
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23779232
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21831992
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354681
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942738/
epidemiology, eating carbohydrate causes diabetes and increasing meat intake decreases risk of diabetes by improving insulin sensitivity
http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/archinte.1920.00100060002001 http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=533706 http://www.jci.org/articles/view/100818 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0954-6820.1947.tb13795.x/abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3544839
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15047685
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15616799
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674517
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24826311
control group wasn't eating a meat based diet, invalid study
>>73632069
>>73632550
Is this now a YLYL thread?
meat tastes good, show me some tofu that taste like asian zing buffalo wings and I'll turn vegan
>>73631838
I wasn't misrepresenting your argument by claiming that you said vegans hold society back in that particular way, I was just poking fun at the fact that you said they hold us/society back by bringing up that they save the healthcare system money.
If you actually want me to address your argument seriously instead of poking fun at you I can though
>only because people like vegans are holding us back. how about instead of harassing people who eat meat, you stop being a smelly fucking hippy and revaluate your life?
Many vegans don't harass people for eating meat, its uncommon in real life and its pointless to act like most vegans are somehow guilty for this. Its also a baseless assertion that vegans are all or mostly smelly hippies. I've known way more well-groomed vegans in my life then smelly disheveled vegans.
>people are only animals due to left wing views on sex, culture, economy and social interaction.
right, because in all the societies throughout history that had little to no leftist presence the people never acted like animals at times huh? What a silly thing to write.
>you cannot honestly believe that simply not eating meat makes us superior to animals when you do nothing but decry the control of animalistic instincts like that of sexual "liberation".
By any reasonable moral standard killing another living being unnecessarily is morally worse then two living things engaging in a mutually consensual activity where nobody is harmed or killed.
The reason why people think not eating meat makes them superior to animals has to do with recognizing that other living things experience suffering and that its a noble goal to try to cause less suffering in the world. That really has nothing to do with sexual liberation. Furthmore, there are many vegans who just do it for health reasons.
You never really had a concise argument or point that you made in the first place tbqh. If you want to form one try to not make so many unsubstantiated assertions.
>>73629933
You'd also drink your own piss when youre dying of thirst, doesn't mean you'd do that normally.
>>73633228
>>73633228
you still don't get it.
being a superior being isn't one thing, it means everything. you can't claim to be a human because you don't eat meat and then say that abstaining from animalistic practices don't matter. there are animals that don't eat meat that are still animals. you are objectively wrong due to your vanity and bias. humans are animals and therefore being a man rather than an animal means keeping your instincts in check rather than simply feeling empathy. my comment on left wing views basically means that we are regressing to a more primitive form through their pushes for social acceptance of various things as the left is instinctual rather than conservative.
and causing less suffering in the world isn't a noble goal when you miss the forest for the trees. you need to take everything into account and not just what you want to see, individual reality is forged by perception. basic fact of the matter is that the animals we eat would need to be mostly killed off in order to live "peacefully" or whatever because of how they were domesticated.
>>73629315
There are chemicals and nutrients that are ONLY FOUND IN MEAT, EGGS, FISH, AND DAIRY.
That's not to say you can't obtain them VIA vitamin "Supplements" but for the most part, they come right out, and fuck you I'm not going to pay 130$ for a bottle of Ceratine that isn't just the powdered bullshit that doesn't fucking work. It needs to be obtained as an organic acid that occurs naturally in vertebrates and helps to supply energy to all cells in the body.
>https://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nutrients-in-meat-fish-eggs/
>>73625251
I get a raging hardon everytine I see one of these pics in one of these threads.
>>73629933
You guys should go back to using the ZAR flag
>>73620826
>filename
>>73625251
~Oh...!
>>73632685
Wow dude you really fucked up the green text in your reply. You just reposted all of the studies I posted while only posting 2 or 3 of yours and you have to compare the posts to see which ones are the few you added
>learn 2 greentext
>Epidemiology, worthless study not conducted in a lab, affected by a variety of factors like the fact that meat eaters exercise less, smoke more and drink more, use an intervention study not this trash
did you even read the abstract of the article you cited?
>The association persists after inclusion of known confounding factors, such as age, race, BMI, history, smoking, blood pressure, lipids, physical activity and multiple nutritional parameters in multivariate analysis.
>note that in this study despite the fact that the meat eaters were eating less fibre they still had more cancer because of what i mentioned earlier, eating meat decreases risk of inflammation and unlike your shitty studies this is an intervention study
are you the same guy posting the same study who got BTFO a week or two ago
the study that you posted claiming meat does not cause inflammation was a 2007 study with 60 people...
meanwhile a 2013 study with 2,198 people and a 2014 study with 3690 people have shown eating meat is associated with worse inflammation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22426755
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24284436
and the molecular mechanism through which meat cause inflammation has been thoroughly demonstrated
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25548184
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24284436
Here is an intervention study showing reduced biomarkers of inflammation following adopting of the vegan diet
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25637150
>>73620826
Convenience.
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>>73635800
And?
>>73620826
I am not vegan because I eat a ton of eggs for protien because I want to get fit, also I eat some Greek yogurt and oats as a snack and that's pretty good. I am a vegetarian, though.
>>73620826
That's a really cute girl, her hair looks really soft. I wish I could have a daughter like her.
>>73628452
Very true. The deer in my area are completely out of control - we actually don't have ENOUGH hunters, despite having a lot of them, because they breed like rabbits and damage the ecosystem (as well as cars and people, because deer are pretty stupid).
Because meat is fucking delicious. Have you ever eaten a juicy ass smoked beef roast? What about a burger? Go back to being a eurocuck and get off this board
>>73635509
>ONLY FOUND IN MEAT, EGGS, FISH, AND DAIRY.
thats incorrect
the website you linked to lists B12, creatine, Vitamin D3, Carnosine and DHA
>B12
B12 is found in some types of plants and fermented vegan foods and it has been shown that consuming at least one of those prevents B12 deficiency, see
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24803097
>creatine
>Creatine is not an essential nutrient[5] as it is naturally produced in the human body from the amino acids glycine and arginine.
Vegan foods easily provide the amino acids needed to synthesize it and even if your levels were still lower then meat eaters that dosn't really matter because the main thing it does it provide energy and the only study to examine the subject found people following a mostly-vegetarian diet had no change in athletic performance compared to a regular diet.
>D3
D3 and D2 are just types of vitamin D that differ slightly. As long as you get sufficient sunlight and enought D2 from plants you dont need D3 from meat. Many plants are great sources of D2.
>Ergocalciferol (D2) may be used as a vitamin D supplement, and a 2011 clinical guideline[3] considered it to be as effective as cholecalciferol (vitamin D3) which is produced naturally by the skin when exposed to ultraviolet light.
>Carnosine
synthesized in the body from alanine and histidine both of which are easy to obtain from vegan sources
>DHA
DHA and EPA are made inside the body from Omega 3 which is easily obtainable from vegan food.
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I doubt I'd be vegan because I love milk but vegetarian is a possibility. I think deep-fried non-meat foods (french fries, potato chips, tempura, veggie spring rolls, onion rings, that sort of thing) would satisfy me just as much meats but shit would be unhealthy af. I treat meat as a luxury food anyway though so I eat it in moderation as it is and don't feel too bad.
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Beef might be worse for the planet than beans, but thermodynamically and from a calorie per emission perspective, chicken is better for the environment than broccoli.
