Discuss.
>>73602073
Bush did 9/11
Obama killed Bin Laden
Obama mostly continued bush's domestic policies.
And Bush started the recovery. He knew we were in a bubblr, so he accelerated the lending collapse, because the longer a bubble is allowed to stay, the worse it gets. This was his last year in office, so of course Obama would see most of the recovery.
Why do people still consider Teen pregnancy such a big problem?
Until the 50's it was total normal for women to get pregnant before beeing 20
>>73602073
Bush was a nigger
>>73602073
Obama wasn't that bad of a president, but mostly because his policies weren't all that liberal.
>73602073
No
>>73602073
Oil prices dropping wasn't Obama doing anything. Saudis started fucking around with the prices, selling at cheaper, that and illegally obtained oil through sales from ISIS and militants in the Syrian region caused prices to go down.
>>73602073
>The president has direct control over all of these
>>73604095
OK, but when gas was above $3 in 2011 or so, conservashits were freaking out about how the gas price went up. Pic related.
Now, gas costs the same as it did in 2004, and the conservashit response is "hurr the President has nothing to do with that".
>>73604451
>>73602073
Boom. You're done.
>>73602073
>Growth
What about the rights of the people? The moral compass?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLko4TmJkUQ
>>73602073
cost of gallon of gas means nothing. thats delcared by opec. sand nigger fucks. not us. certainly not a pres
teen pregnancy??? wat
I AM THE BAD GUY, LOOK AT MY SAD BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO
>>73603838
>not bad
>>73604451
i was paying 5$/gallon in 2009
50$ wasnt filling up my jeep
>>73604677
>>73602073
which one am i supposed to believe? the one i want to?
>>73602073
Yessir. Since we finally got GW Bush to stop impregnating all those millions of teens, life in the Americas is so much better.
Your source is shit.
Almost nothing relates to the president.
You are cancerous.
>>73604475
LITERALLY not true, and i'm not a liberal either
>>73604451
>>73604475
I'm not a conservative and only vaguely interested in American politics, the GOP stance seems like talking points and speech ammo to me, and it's a fact that Obama isn't the reason oil prices have stagnated/lowered. It's purely a middle eastern affair, once the conflict ends it'll rise again, but it's good for Obama since he can put the feather on his cap.
>>73605050
Mine has shit that actually matters, and can actually be directly controlled by the president.
>>73605040
You probably mean 2008, although $5 is probably an exaggeration unless you were returning your rental car after your Disney vacation. When we had the financial crisis, the price of everything collapsed (including gas) down from about $4 to under $2. Conservative wingnut images that came out in 2011-2012 cherry-pick that particular year to make it seem like Obama was responsible for raising the price of gas, even though Obama never beat Bush's record of $4/gal.
Today, gas is the same price it was during the financial crisis, except there's no financial crisis going on (at least not yet) and conservashits say:
>>73604869
>>73604095
>>73604677
>850B to 4T is 78.8% increase
>>73605428
There was a financial crisis driving prices up back then.
There is a war happening in the Middle East and Saudis are driving the cost of oil down now.
Not cherrypicking, just Google it, you can see the original prices as sold by Saudis drop.
>>73605428
is it falss to assume that obama never did when i have paid well over $4 for a gallon under him?
>>73605434
It should read 278.8%, I didn't make the picture.
>>73603011
because those pregnancies arent in a marriage anymore
>>73604677
THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH RIGHT WING RETARDS. THEY'LL BELIEVE ANYTHING. ALMOST ALL OF THESE ARE WRONG. HE'S TOTAL JOBS UNDER OBAMA.
>>73605923
>what are part-time jobs
>>73604677
The real issue is that no matter who turns out to be president the net results will remain the same the only difference is how they are marketed to the american people.
By in large George Bush wasnt even a president as he spent something like 40% of the time on vacation.
People equate the 2008 financial crisis to Bush but it was Clinton policy that deregulated the banks in the first place
By in large politics is a joke anyways as there is no real representation you just have canditates who are well funded and marketed by a huge machine dominated by banks and corporate conglomerates that own everything
If Donald Trump is funding his own campaign and he wins the presidency i have no doubt he will be assassinated.
My best guess is Trump has to be getting outside funding and is just lying about where his money is coming from as i doubt he is doing this for the best interest of the american people.
It would be kinda hilarious if he was just doing this to put in policy things that would favour real estate. No wonder he wants to build a wall
>>73606028
95% of Obama job creation has been full time.
This is what I mean about right wing retards. They hate their country so much all they do is make up lies about it and shit it on all day long.
>>73602073
The difference between a recession year and a non-recession year, although the GDP growth number is a blatant lie. Barack Obama has not had a single year above 3% GDP growth.
Moreover, the cost of gasoline and oil imported are in spite of his policies, not due to them. All new oil and has production has been on privately owned land beyond the reach of the EPA. They shut it down everywhere they can.
Iran's centrifuges is a guess based on fantasy. Teen pregnancy has been declining for over 30 years. Uninsured rate is pointless if the newly insured are receiving their insurance as a welfare program. Workforce participation by 25-54 year old adults is down 2%, almost exactly the difference in U-3 unemployment.
But Dow Jones is up. Way up. There's no spinning the fact we're in the bubble phase of a business cycle.
>>73602073
THANKS OBAMA!
>>73602073
>believing bush or obama had anything to do with any of those numbers
>>73605316
ISN'T DEMOCRACY GREAT!?
>>73605050
>which one am i supposed to believe? the one i want to?
Yes.
>comparing Bush to Obama
I mean your opinions on a mongolian papier mache forum are cool and all, but nobody in the real world, no presidential historian would take you seriously if you wanted to float the idea that Obama has been worse than Bush. It's fucking funny though.
>>73602073
wew
>>73605050
Both are cherry picking. What matters is the actual policies and their real effects. If I became President tomorrow and GDP grew at 3%, but in the absence of my policies it would've grown at 4%, can I really be called a success?
>>73602073
>1 post by this ID
Gtfo HillShill
>$2.31 for gas
Wot
Where?
>>73605923
>>73606302
>right wing retards
Oh, hey, you're back! You mysteriously disappeared from a previous thread when I asked you a question. Why is labor force participation rate down 2% among 25-54 year olds? http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_303.htm
>>73602073
the president has very little control over all of those
both were shitty presidents regardless
>>73606302
You keep dodging this
Discuss
>>73607058
>Oh, hey, you're back! You mysteriously disappeared from a previous thread when I asked you a question.
Making up lies again?
Show me where this happened?
I don't dodge anything bitch. You know that.
I've been very clear about the fact that 25-54 CLFPR is exactly where it was in Reagan's 2nd term. PIC RELATED BITCH
So tell me. Why does Trump say the unemployment rate is 42% and there's 93 GORILLION unemployed? Is he mentally handicapped?
>>73602073
>Bush fixed our problems so now we're saying President failure did it.
>>73607437
Those aren't even questions. I don't dodge anything.
You motherfuckers are always dodging.
Here's a question. Why do right wing retards think the unemployment rate is 42% and there are 93 GORILLION unemployed? Is it becaue they're mentally incapacitated?
>>73606302
>not counting population increases
Do you even labor force participation rate, bro?
Mainly a testament as to how shitty Bush was
>>73607778
>Do you even labor force participation rate, bro?
Yeah I do. What you have a problem with baby boomers retiring?
>>73607616
>95% of income gains go to top 1%
>Reagan economy created 5 times as many jobs
>>73608016
So why isn't youth unemployment dropping like a rock, then? Why aren't young people stepping into those jobs?
>>73607616
>Show me where this happened?
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/73558038/#73568721
You even quoted the post but did not address the issue.
>I've been very clear about the fact that 25-54 CLFPR is exactly where it was in Reagan's 2nd term.
25-54 was climbing for more than 50 years, largely due to women entering the workforce, peaking in the late 90s under momentum from the Reagan economy. Now it's in decline. Why is that? Whose policies put it in decline? What relation does it have to welfare benefits?
>Why does Trump say
I don't defend Trump. I would assume he pulled the number out of his ass like most things he says. Try asking a Trump supporter next time.
>>73605186
POO
>>73608442
Oh you mean the thread where I BTFO 10 right wing retards and I didn't even see your question. And I just answered it now right away.
The one at 2 AM where I clearly said I have to go to sleep and don't cry like a bitch when I leave.
Yeah that's what I thought.
>momentum from the Reagan economy
WEW LAD
Trump called it a DEPRESSION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw&feature=youtu.be&t=191
It's been going down since 1999. If you had a grade 1 education and could actually read charts, you would know that.
>>73603011
Because if those teens don't have real jobs, and need to go after my taxes to support their kids
>>73602073
Holy shit, Libcuck giving Obama credit for fracking. Holy shit. This is quite literally dumber than Bernie Sander's free shit shills. Once again, OP was a faggot.
>>73607012
Not a libcuck, but in Minnesota we currently pay $2 a gallon
>>73605912
>actually marrying someone knowing they will cheat on you, take half your shit, and your kids.
>>73608757
>Trump called it a DEPRESSION
Trump was begging Congress for tax breaks in his industry. The economy was booming from 1983 to 2000 when the dotcom bubble burst with the exception of a very minor recession in the early 90s. Again, I don't defend Trump.
>It's been going down since 1999.
That doesn't answer my questions. Whose policies put it in decline? What relation does it have to welfare benefits?
>If you had a grade 1 education and could actually read charts, you would know that.
That doesn't answer my questions. Whose policies put it in decline? What relation does it have to welfare benefits?
>>73608757
Oh, and this:
>And I just answered it now right away.
Except you didn't.
>>73602269
....Obama didn't mostly continue Bush's domestic policies. This is bait.
>>73609033
>The economy was booming from 1983 to 2000 when the dotcom bubble burst with the exception of a very minor recession in the early 90s.
How can I take you seriously when you don't even know that the Reagan/Bush Recession was at that point the worst recession since the Republican Great Depression.
Go ahead and look it up. Up until the 2008 Great Bush Crash and Republican Recession. the Reagan/Bush Recession was the worst since the Republican Great Depression.
I can't take you seriously. You're embarrassing yourself with idiotic statements and you know I'm capping these.
I answered your questions. Now you answer mine. Why do you hate your country so much that all you want to do is make up lies about it and shit on it all day.
I know this pisses you off, I know you hate this fact, but I have to tell you this. America is already great. I know you don't think so. I know you hate your country. But again, AMERICA IS GREAT.
>>73609101
Right now as soon as you asked the 25-54 question, boom I pulled up the chart and answered. So wtf are you crying about bitch. When I'm BTFO 100 right wing retards at once in threads like yesterday, don't expect me to get to every single one. You're on notice.
So you admit all the idiots here who say 42% unemployment and 93 GORILLION are retards?
>>73605040
Your first problem is that you drive a jeep.
Faggot.
>>73609033
>Trump was begging Congress for tax breaks in his industry.
>Again, I don't defend Trump.
>>73602073
that GDP growth is way off
Stop replying the the Canadian Hill Shill.
He sold himself to the campaign after his country went broke
>>73609355
What is arming muslim extremist in Libya and Syria.
>>73609689
>>73607726
You are avoiding her failures and are in full damage control
So you admit there is nothing to discuss with this pic as you cant refute anything said in it
Glad we agree
>>73609565
dude ur literally sweating lmao
>>73604451
Gas prices went up mostly due to inflation, which while the president doesn't have direct control over it he can heavily influence it. Bush massively increased inflation, and Obama did the same.
The reason prices went down is due to a massive increase in supply. New technologies and domestic production (encouraged by the Bush admin btw) came online and lessened our dependence on foreign oil. The international market changed and in an attempt to remain competitive OPEC flooded the market with cheap oil. That's why gas prices have fallen. It has a very tiny bit to do with Bush and almost nothing to do with Obama.
President has little influence over the economy. People who believe the president influences the economy are idiots.
>>73609846
No I'm BTFO right wing retards.
>>73608588
(you)
>>73609993
ask mommy to towel u off and put on some deodorant lmao smelly
>>73604451
>>73604475
HOLY SHIT YOU FAGGOTS ARE GETTING BTFO
>>73609800
Discuss
https://thehornnews.com/secret-smoking-gun-proof-clinton-going-jail/
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/279233-state-dept-claims-to-have-no-emails-from-clinton-it-aide
>>73609416
>the Reagan/Bush Recession was at that point the worst recession since the Great Depression
By what standard? The one where real annual GDP growth wasn't even negative? http://www.multpl.com/us-real-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year
By my standard, real GDP growth, the Carter recession was far worse.
>Why do you hate your country so much that all you want to do is make up lies about it and shit on it all day.
Nice ad hominem. Let me ask you. Why do you beat your wife? Do you really hate her that much?
The US is great, but the federal government and culture rot threatens its future. You keep replying as if I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not, never have been, and never will be. Unfortunately, I have no faith in either Presidential candidate this year to fix the situation.
I'm sorry, but you're either delusional or a bad troll. Considering this is /pol/, I'll assume it's the latter.
>>73610079
A mommy joke...
In 2016
>>73609713
Foreign policy, not domestic policy.
Domestic is 'policy at home.'
>>73610214
dude y u so mad just take a breather lmao
>>73602073
>Occupy
-Stock Market
Stock Market is inflated due to low interests. Obama carried over Bush Jr appointed Federal Reverse Chairman Bernanke whose QE policy printed money to spur economic activity. Instead the money is lent to Wall Street. Bernake's Obama-appointed successor "Janet Yeltsin" has continued the policy. (Recall the "Auto Bailout" also started by Bush Jr)
-Unemployment Rate
The Unemployment Rate has been lowered due to long-term unemployment no longer being counted.
-Ended Two Wars
Those two "wars" were already slated to end during Bush Jr's end. Also those wars will never end.
-Gas Prices
Gas Prices were lowered due to domestic oil fracking. Saudi Arabia flooded the market oil to retain it's market share along with the goal of shutting down US domestic oil production. This cycle also occured during the 1990s
-Deficit
The President has no spending powers. Other than veto the President has no control over the budget.
Spending powers belong to the House of Representitives which has been under Republican control since 2010. Not getting your "free" social programs the President promised? Blame congress.
-Bin Laden
Bin Laden was taken down Bush Jr's Mid East Military and Intelligence apparatus which includes torture techinques.
Futhermore Obama has not only continued Bush Jr mideast policies (drones) but expanded upon many.
Argubabely the worst things about the Bush Jr administration are now the best things under Obama
-Auto Bailout
-Wall Street
-Mid East
>>73610214
The picture doesn't show their bull ahmed
>>73609565
You pulled up a chart which reiterated my point. 25-54 participation is down. You seem to be celebrating this as some victory.
>So you admit all the idiots here who say 42% unemployment and 93 GORILLION are retards?
I never challenged the idea. Some of them are propagandists and some of them are parrots. I wouldn't want to insult actual retards by comparing them to the parrots.
>>73610108
They're obviously talking about the woman-baby Donald Trump. Pic related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wII90dqsZrM
Do you admit Trump is mentally unfit for office?
>>73609993
That's a strange way of saying getting your ass handed to you constantly in all these threads and damage controlling
While dismissing counterpoints without refuting them and instead meming
But I guess you don't have to do that only post and get paid to shill like China's 50 cent party
>>73609616
That's an attack on Trump. No one should get special tax treatment.
>>73602073
If I had $20 before, and now I have $30 but each dollar is worth one half of what it was before, would it be a positive?
This is the kind of statistical manipulation you see in your image.
More jobs, but they're mostly min wage part time jobs. So a 40 hour nice paying gig has turned into a low paying 20 hour paid gig.
>>73602073
fuck finland, inbred indenial russians
>>73610373
You are avoiding again
Can you not even look at the links provided?.
Having senior moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_IiLKuPPms
And cant handle criticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vIGNS3QBaI
Looks like she cant handle it
>>73610133
What Carter recession? You mean the 1982 Reagan Recession? Yeah that one was bad too.
http://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/14/reagans-recession/
That's why I vote for Democrats because Republicans always cause recessions.
Right wingers vote Republicans because they want the economy to crash. They want their country to fail.
All I see on right wing boards is right wingers shitting on their own country.
You're just pretending not to be a Trump supporter so you can cop out of answering for his lunatic statements that you very well know many of the right wing retards here believe.
Since World War II: Of the 49 quarters in recession since 1947, eight occurred under Democrats, while 41 occurred under Republicans.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/22/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-recessions-more-frequent-under-rep/
>inb4 muh facts
>>73610776
You are avoiding again
Do you admit Trump is mentally unfit for office?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wII90dqsZrM [Embed]
And also that most right wing retards are idiots who will believe any bad news about their own country because they hate it so much and just want to see it fail. Right wingers don't even think America is great. I know America is great.
If I'm a Shillary troll, why don't I ever even bring up Hillary?
KEK BTFO
Now that you brought up Hillary though, I would like to return to the good ol days, Based Bill brought us. Pic related.
>>73602073
Republican controlled congress?
>>73602073
Im not saying everything is wrong or that there isnt anything but here's a few point outs...
-More people are insured, but it costs more to those who are insured to be insured
-Unemployment rate does not include NEETs and people who live solely on welfare, which is an ever increasing number and an all time high. Those people are not even considered part of the workforce so they dont factor into the unemployment equation.
>>73610419
I assume you're a Bernie supporter then.
>>73602073
Some of these things have nothing to do with Obama.
>>73602073
>Meme chart again
Kill yourself. You and anyone replying seriously to this are the newfag cancer that is killing /pol/
>>73610889
>What Carter recession? You mean the 1982 Reagan Recession?
I mean -0.04% real GDP growth in 1980 and -1.40% in 1982. These were the result of the policies of Jimmy Carter and all the Democrat controlled Congresses since LBJ. Ronald Reagan took office in January of 1981. You realize that his policies don't get implemented the moment he walks in the door, right? That laws have to be passed a regulations changed? You realize that the economy doesn't immediately react to these changed, right? That it takes several months and sometimes upwards of a year for a change in tax or regulatory code to see a response in business behavior?
You understand that real GDP grew every year for 25 years after Reagan's policies were implemented, right? That it only came crashing down due to the lending policies of the Carter and Clinton administration being forced on commercial banks and the easy money policies of the Bush administration? This isn't too complicated for you, right?
>Right wingers vote Republicans because they want the economy to crash. They want their country to fail.
You've seen through us!
>All I see on right wing boards is right wingers shitting on their own country.
All I see are right wingers shitting on Marxists and their derivatives for trying to make their countries worse. Unfortunately, most people on this board seem to think Trump is the solution for whatever reason.
>You're just pretending not to be a Trump supporter
You've seen through me! Do you have ESP, sir?
>so you can cop out of answering for his lunatic statements
He makes a lot of lunatic statements.
>that you very well know many of the right wing retards here believe.
They parrot a lot of his lunatic statements. I challenge them and have been called a shill of many candidates, usually whoever he seems to be most opposing at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCB6RvRojIQ
>>73606302
I don't understand, how do you have this much time to suck Obama's dick? You are literally on every single day sucking his dick.
>>73610889
>Since World War II: Of the 49 quarters in recession since 1947, eight occurred under Democrats, while 41 occurred under Republicans.
You do understand that Congress writes the budgets, right? That Reagan is the only Republican to successfully wring a conservative economic agenda out of Congress, albeit one far more timid that he sought? That Democrats had near monopoly control of Congress from 1933 to 1994 with very few periods of Republican control of either body? See >>73605316
Debt to GDP may never recover from their reign thanks to mandatory non-defense spending and the lack of will to cut wealth transfers.
>>73604475
Are you fucking stupid? Filling up my car this morning cost me 15 dollars
>>73611674
Holy shit dude. You're fucking clueless. Everyone with half a brain knows that Ronald Reagan caused a massive, severe recession with his disastrous first budget.
That's the thing right wing retards always got wrong about Reagan. HE CAUSED the 1982 REAGAN RECESSION.
GDP growth in 1981 when he took office was POSITIVE.
Even Milton Friedman admitted that was Reagan's recession.
Fuck I remember reading about it in Trump's Art of the Deal way back when.
You motherfuckers just rewrite history. I swear to god. If Carter was so bad then why does he have the 2nd best job creation of all time, behind only Based Bill Clinton? HUH? That's what I thought bitch.
Carter, in just 4 years created over 10 million jobs. UNBELIEVABLE.
So give me a break with your bullshit.
Reagan caused his own recession, he TRIPLED the deficit, he TRIPLED the national debt.
http://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/14/reagans-recession/
https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0
READ. Educate yourself. You're making falsehoods.
>That it only came crashing down due to the lending policies of the Carter and Clinton administration being forced on commercial banks and the easy money policies of the Bush administration? This isn't too complicated for you, right?
This is exactly what I mean. All you Republicans ever do is fuck the economy up and then blame Democrats. Every single time.
Based Bill Clinton left Bush one of the best economies in American history. 3.9% unemployment, a thriving economy, a $315 BILLION annual budget surplus, the national debt set to be paid off within 10 years, the highest labor participation rate in American history, and no wars.
Within 8 years, George Bush and the Republicans left America on its knees.
This is why Republicans can't be trusted with the economy. No matter how good a situation they inherit, they'll fuck it all up and blame Democrats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAtUq0OJ68&nohtml5=False
>>73602073
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/15/the-chart-that-explains-everything/
>/thread
>>73606542
>black inequality
Sorry hillary didn't get nominated in 07
>>73605316
Haha this chart is fucked 3 ways till Sunday. Not only is it wrong with affiliations it's meaningless since each party had a wide range of political factions that constantly changed control.
>>73612239
> That Democrats had near monopoly control of Congress from 1933 to 1994 with very few periods of Republican control of either body? See >>73605316
That's why we call the 1946-1980 era in particular as the golden age. Because it was a period of heavy Democratic control.
The 1960's were the highest growth decade because you had Democrats controlling the House, Senate and presidency for an extended period of time.
The "highest economic growth decade was the 1960s. Income tax rates were 90 percent."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/may/17/bill-gates/bill-gates-high-taxes-and-high-growth-can-co-exist/
>inb4 Bill Gates doesn't know anything about economy
The worst thing for America is for the Republicans to control the House, Senate and presidency all at the same time.
This has only happened twice for an extended period of time in the last 100 years.
The first, from 1921 to 1933, caused the Republican Great Depression.
The second, from 2001, 2007 led to the Great Republican Recession. Thankfully Obama averted a 2nd Republican Great Depression.
The facts are in. Right wingers vote Republican because they want to kill the economy.
>>73603011
most teen pregnancy is from single niggers. It just breeds these horrible nigger we have in america today.
I mean niggers are bad enough now imagine niggers coming from a single teenage black mother. scary I know.
>>73612239
>>73612603
HOLY SHIT BTFO BY A FUCKING LEAF. I gotta go guys I'll catch ya's later tonight.
>>73612690
>ifunny
>>73612355
Reagan didn't cause the 82 recession.
Volker did it to permanently stop wild inflation spikes.
It was healthy for the economy.
>>73612770
Google Image Search has betrayed me for the last time.
>>73612650
Blacks only make up 13% of the US population and they don't have as many babies as Hispanics.
>niggers coming from a single teenage black mother
No shit.
>>73611402
Stop assuming things of people. Thats not how you argue positions and policy you dumb fuck. You know that though. You're just a faggot that can't win arguments without ad hom and goal post moving.
>inb4 point out where i specifically moved the goal post or baselessly attack someones character.
>>73612722
Your same fag is showing.
>>73612355
If you think the economy was healthy when Reagan took office, you're even more delusional than I thought. Reagan implemented policies to address inflation, unemployment, and stagnant growth. The policies addressing inflation pushed through the federal reserve were met with an immediate negative results but long term benefits. The 13.5% inflation rate when he entered office was entirely unsustainable. Policies to address unemployment and stagnant growth had to go through Congress and the bureaucracy, which is a slower process.
>If Carter was so bad then why does he have the 2nd best job creation of all time
If Carter was so good, why did his policies lead to stagflation? Again, see: http://www.multpl.com/us-real-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year
1.30% GDP growth in 1979. -0.04% in 1980. 1.29% in 1981. All three were after budgets, rules, and regulations passed by an entirely Democrat controlled Congress and signed by Carter. Those numbers are anemic by any standard.
Inflation was at or near double digits every month for each of those three years as well. See: http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
>Carter, in just 4 years created over 10 million jobs. UNBELIEVABLE.
The overwhelming majority of those jobs came in his first two years, before his policies impacted the economy. Picture very related.
>Reagan caused his own recession
Reagan addressed serious economic problems he inherited.
>he TRIPLED the deficit, he TRIPLED the national debt
Automatic spending increases from LBJ's Great Society tripled the deficit. See picture in >>73612239 . Reagan tried to address this and both Democrats and Republicans in Congress refused.
>>73607726
>I don't dodge anything
>this is how the president failed internationally
>Why do right wing retards think the unemployment rate is 42% and there are 93 GORILLION unemployed?
I'm not sure if you're really really retarded or really really smart. Considering how often you shitpost you're probably just retarded.
>>73612355
>he TRIPLED the deficit
Sine when can presidents spend money.
Congress sets the budget not the president.
(And of course Democrats support increased defense spending because the military has been the best government jobs program of all time)
>>73602073
>7 whole statistics.
Thanks to the big black cock obummer, my premiums on insure nice are too high to be able to afford my vehicle.
But muh """"""""""""low unemployment"""""""""" Rite? :DDDDD
>>73602073
>unemployment rate 5%
This one gets me every time.
>>73612722
Same fag.
Why do you always pretend to leave when you get backed into a corner? How many breaks does shillcorp give you?
>>73612355
>Based Bill Clinton left Bush one of the best economies in American history...
You just said nothing of the policies coming out of Janet Reno's Department of Justice, which coerced banks into giving people subprime loans they would never have done without government intervention. This was done using underlying statutes from Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. You said nothing of Fannie Mae policy of buying up said loans under James A. Johnson so as to guarantee banks would issue them, knowing full well default rates would skyrocket years down the line. You said nothing of the expansion of the Community Reinvestment Act in 1999, undertaken at the request of Democrats. You said nothing of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, signed into law by Clinton.
This was bad policy for good politics. They could increase home ownership rates in the short term and let someone else deal with the consequences of massive defaults after they're out of office.
>Within 8 years, George Bush and the Republicans left America on its knees.
Every year until 2007 was a fairly normal year for the US, economically speaking. The housing collapse ended that. The housing collapse was a direct result of the policies of the Carter, Clinton, and Bush administrations. The Clinton administration, in particular Janet Reno and James Johnson, were the worst offenders by far.
>This is why Republicans can't be trusted with the economy. No matter how good a situation they inherit, they'll fuck it all up and blame Democrats.
This is why Democrats can't be trusted with facts. No matter how explicitly laid out which laws had negative consequences, Democrats ignore them and instead check the date on the calendar. Recession started in 1982? Must be entirely Reagan's fault. Recession started in 2007? Must be entirely Bush's fault.
>>73612355
Finally, I would note you've just contradicted yourself. Earlier, you linked Trump calling the "Reagan/Bush" recession of 1990 the worst recession since the Great Depression and possibly worse, repeating his sentiment. Now you're calling the Carter recession of 1982 the worst recession since the Great Depression. Which is it?
>>73602073
>Unemployment rate is garbage, does not count people who have stopped looking
>Hurr POTUS controls Gas Prices
>Force people/companies to buy shitty insurance or get fined
>Not For long, OPEC's price wars
> [Citation Needed]
>Did nothing to stop the Iranians to advance toward Nukes, even after then-SecDef Panetta told him deal was garbage
>Yeah fucking right
>DOW goes up, big shocker
>>73612722
LEL, pussied out again.
>>73602073
>Unemployment at 5.1%
BULLSHIT!
>>73604677
All those numbers are correct except total jobs and the poverty numbers are a little bit misleading because poverty was at about the same level under Bush and under Obama. Please fix.
>>73612722
You realize this board has IDs right?
Smelly dumb libshit scum
>>73614209
Damn, you really ass raped that Canadian mate.
>>73602073
>>73612603
>The 1960's were the highest growth decade because you had Democrats controlling the House, Senate and presidency for an extended period of time.
The 1960's were the highest growth decade since WWII because of the Tax Reform Act of 1964, an across the board tax cut pushed hard by JFK and passed shortly after his assassination. The negative consequences of Hart-Celler (1965) and ever increasing mandatory spending obligations from the federal government due to LBJ's Great Society had yet to begin. Reap the benefits today, pay the price tomorrow.
>Income tax rates were 90 percent.
The highest rate was 91% in 1960, only applying to those with declared incomes exceeding $3m adjusted to 2012 dollars. Deduction were significant, meaning virtually no one paid the highest rates, not even the superwealthy of the day. By 1969, the top rate was 70% on income exceeding $1.25m adjusted to 2012 dollars. Even at this lower top rate, virtually no one paid it.
>The worst thing for America is for the Republicans to control the House, Senate and presidency all at the same time.
The worst thing for America is high tariffs and high taxes.
>The first, from 1921 to 1933, caused the Great Depression.
Progressive Republicans under Herbert Hoover caused the Great Depression with the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act in response to what was a panic. Herbert Hoover and FDR then extended the Great Depression by significantly increasing taxes and experimenting with such things as price controls.
>The second, from 2001, 2007 led to the Great Recession.
The Great Recession was primarily caused by the Clinton Administration with assistance from Carter and Bush.
The facts are in. Progressives for Progressive, be it Democrat or Republican, because they want to kill the economy with more government authority.
>>73612722
And he leaves before I can eviscerate his nonsense. Again. He seems to make a habit of this.
>>73605923
ANGRY BAMALEAF IS BEST LEAF
>>73606302
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>>73615764
Does he not understand, it's pretty sad to post on 4chan all the time?
>>73602073
>nigger nigging stats
>>73615679
>>73615764
Bump to shame the leaf. I hope for his sake that he's a paid shill. Otherwise, this is just sad.
>>73615278
I do every time I see him in these threads and he always disappears as soon as his misleading statements get unraveled. I'm guessing Soros doesn't pay him to continue when he can't overcome laws and their consequences with memes and dates on calendars.
>>73616889
Holy shit you're so fucking desperate it's sad. I told you I had to step out. Unlike you, I actually have things to do in real life, I can't sit here with you all day and educate you on things you don't understand. You do this every time. You make me sit there for hours with you and coddle you, and the moment I say I have to go, like last night, you cry that I left. Can you stop being such a whiny, colicky, sad little bitch?
I have screenshots of you creeping me from thread to thread. How sad is your life?
>>73615679
>>73615764
>>73615640
I have to leave because I have to go. Unlike you I have things to do in real life.
You didn't reply and I made it clear I had to go.
>>73612722
Right there.
This is what you do every time. You cry like a little bitch when I say I have to go.
>>73614112
How do I pretend to leave when I have to go. I have things to do in real life. I have hundreds of threads and thousands of posts.
I reply and reply and reply. I BTFO you motherfuckers thousands of times, but you want me to sit there and coddle you for HOURS AND HOURS on end, I can't do that. I'm not your Milo. Find yourself a boyfriend. I don't mind a back and forth but I can't sit there with a sad lonely loser like this guy
>>73607058
and spend all day with him.
>>73617457
>I have to leave because I have to go. Unlike you I have things to do in real life
Now that is a lie with the amount of times you post on /pol/.
>>73616889
How is it that every time I post in a thread, you're there. No matter what time of day, no matter what thread, you try to strike up a conservation with me. Are you gay for me? I'm not your Milo.
>>73615640
> He seems to make a habit of this.
You mean last night when I clearly said I had to go to bed. You thought I was dodging. And then as you asked today I answered right away
>>73607616
You need to quit your bullshit.
I told you I'll be on later. I told you I have to go now. I'm sure you'll find me because it appears you've dedicated your entire life to me.
DON'T CRY LIKE A LITTLE BITCH WHEN I LEAVE.
I'll gladly respond to your bullshit later.
Funny how all I do is post a chart of Obama job creation, and suddenly I have to coddle sad lonely retards all day.. jesus christ. stop being so needy.
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>>73617660
this is why no one likes canadians if you lose the argument have some humility and back the fuck down
>>73617231
>>73617457
>>73617660
You've failed to counter a single one of my arguments, provided with relevant laws and government action, with any semblance of relevant fact. Now that you're called out on it, you're flailing. Your entire line of argument is based on ad hominem and disparate and often irrelevant facts.
But hey, I'm not always here. This is only the second time I've seen you in some weeks. You could make more threads without me showing up, but when you're wrong you'll almost certainly have other people show up to correct you.
>>73618012
How did he lose?
He is probably the only person who knows anything about economics on this entire board
>>73612603
>These graphs showing job increases after economic meltdown
Yes we had no where to go but up afterwards. .
Also Republicans controlled 2/3s of the Government since 2010. In addition to Obabo reappointing Bush Jr appointed Bernake.
Obabo is literally Bush Jr with more gay marriage emphasis.
>>73618152
Ad hominem and quoting disparate statistics without justification as to why they're relevant to your point is a poor way of demonstration knowledge.
"There was a recession when a Republican was President therefore you want to destroy America." Tip top economics lesson.
He is our goy
>>73618152
all I see is a butthurt Canadian saying he's BTFO of everyone when he's not. Typical leaf behaviour, you faggots just blow up like a blowfish when you don't have anything to show for.
>>73607437
Does someone have this image in text form? Pastebin?
>>73614106
tip top kek i gotta see the source for this!
>>73607437
>Libya
bombs muslims
>honduras
lets hipster liberals get culturally enriched
>yemen
kills muslims
>ukraine
expands western US hegemony
>haiti
makes nigger lives worse; makes goods more affordable
>palestine
kills muslims
>yugoslavia
stamps out last remnants of communism in europe
>iran
tries to kill more muslims but liberals wont let her
>syria
kills muslims
>iraq
kills a fuckload of muslims; extracts oil from conquered territory
what's not to love about this woman!!?? HILLARY2016 if you support a Strong America!
>>73604475
This is a lie. I remember the last Bush year being hell for people who drove cars.
>>73620761
it's not a lie, the second number is just outdated (prolly from 2013 or so)
>>73604677
What retard on 2009 predicted zero growth in the national debt by 2016? Did they fucking ignore, I don't know, every single year since the mid 19th century?
>>73618012
Holy shit this is still up. How did I lose?
Obama unemployment rate is 5%. Deal with it.
>>73618145
>>73618308
I have a few minutes so I'll make this quick. Buddy let's just recap what's happened. I post charts showing Obama job creation like pic related.
You fucked up Obama haters can't handle it.
I point out the FACT that the REAL OFFICIAL U3 UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is 5%.
You can't handle it.
So yesterday you thought you asked such a clever question apparently that you thought I was dodging even though I clearly said I needed to go to bed (which obviously upset you).
So today. This is literally the first thread I posted on because that's the first time I saw this chart >>73604677
and I was too tempted to reply >>73606302
THE MOMENT I REPLIED, there you were within minutes.
with this >>73607058
You had you big question all tee'd up. Thinking you were going to trip me up.
Meanwhile I've had that chart for months and I BTFO right away. >>73607616
You weren't expecting that so then you had to start dip dive dodging to different topics because you got BTFO.
That's the truth. That's the summary.
You have to go off on crazy ass tangents because you can't handle that Obama job creation is 14.6 MILLION jobs and the REAL OFFICIAL UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is 5%.
GET REKT
>>73621534
those are all part time jobs
>>73618152
Exactly Leafbro. I just posted a summary right here>>73621534
I had to type it up fast because I was worried this was going to archive.
These guys are so pathetic.
I say I have to go AFTER I replied to them
>>73612722
So then they reply like 10 minutes later and claim I was BTFO.
Wtf?
>>73621605
95% full time actually
>>73606302
Folder.
Funny how that asshole doesn't bother with any of you, he's only interested in spending all day with me.
>>73621534
The chart in >>73607616 reiterates what I said. 25-54 labor force participation is down. Thank you for conceding the argument.
Also, you sound paranoid, as if you think I'm stalking you. Our meeting in /pol/ was pure coincidence.
>>73621836
Oh you mean when you said
>25-54 was climbing for more than 50 years, largely due to women entering the workforce, peaking in the late 90s under momentum from the Reagan economy. Now it's in decline. Why is that?
I already BTFO you right here >>73608757
I know what you're trying to do. You're making up lies because you know right wing retards will fall for it.
I already told you.
It's been going down since 1999. If you had a grade 1 education and could actually read charts, you would know that.
What does any of this have to do with the Obama unemployment rate being 5%?
I'm not conceding anything. I said it's been going down since 1999. It peaked because of the incredible Clinton economy. Now it's returning to normal levels. Let's try this. Why do you think it's down? GO.
>>73622162
>>73621836
I know exactly why it's down. All you're doing is proving that you don't know.
I want to hear what conspiracy theory you're going to come up with now. MUH 93 gorillion.
>>73622162
>>73621836
>Why do you think it's down? GO.
That's what I thought. Silence.
This is what you do every time. You're making a habit out of it.
You lose.
-- See how fucking annoying that is?
>>73621534
'official' statistics don't always reflect the reality. this is the problem with leaf mentality you faggots blindly believe in anything the government reports.
besides you don't even live in the usa how the fuck would you know what its really like?
>>73622554
Right wing retards don't believe official facts. I get it. That doesn't mean you get to make up your own unemployment numbers just because you have assburgers.
>>73621534
I agree. He hasn't been a great president but the Republicans are so filled with idiotic rage that they can't come up with coherent opposition to anything. They just froth at the mouth at each other and expect the country to cave in to their frothful stupidity because reasons.
>>73621836
I seriously gotta go. I left you some things to ponder over. Just because you didn't reply right away, doesn't mean I'll be a bitch like you and claim that I won.
Feel free to think about it. I'll be on later tonight. I'm sure you'll find me. I don't have a doubt you will. Unfortunately.
Was this you?
>>73622674
Why the fuck do you even care about Obama and the USA so much? If you really wanted to be the 51st state you could have just asked.
>>73602073
Obama had 0 influence on the cost of gas. Everything else checks out
>>73622162
>Why do you think it's down?
A variety of reasons. Government benefits incentivize non-participation, most notable programs began under LBJ's Great Society. Obamacare further incentivizes non-participation by providing people who drop out of the traditional work force with government health insurance. A plethora of other programs exist which you've never heard of and I'm sure many I've never heard of to provide people who choose not to work with free housing, free phones, free clothing, free food of their choice, etc. At some point, for someone with few skills and no desire to earn their keep, giving up becomes the most attractive option. It is not a coincidence that labor force participation peaked when workfare was added to welfare by the Republican Congress in the mid-90s and Clinton was forced to go along to end the stalemate. It is not coincidence that when President Obama and the Democrat Congress kept extending unemployment benefits and removed the workfare requirement to receive welfare, participation dropped.
See that? A response which quotes specific acts by Presidents and Congress with logic as to why it is relevant. You've provided exactly zero such responses.
>What does any of this have to do with the Obama unemployment rate being 5%?
Lower labor force participation excludes more people without jobs from this statistic. If 2% of people go from being unemployed but seeking work to not participating, the unemployed rate drops by 2%. This does not means 2% of the population found jobs and this is one of the reasons U-3 is a deceptive measure of job health when taken alone.
>I already BTFO you right here >>73608757
Except I provided facts and you provided... nothing. You made an assertion and claimed to have won with nothing to back it up except the date on the calendar.
>>73623553
Fuck man you make it all too easy.
>Lower labor force participation excludes more people without jobs from this statistic. If 2% of people go from being unemployed but seeking work to not participating, the unemployed rate drops by 2%. This does not means 2% of the population found jobs and this is one of the reasons U-3 is a deceptive measure of job health when taken alone.
This is where you LOSE.
The U4 (not U3), unemployment rate INCLUDES DISCOURAGED WORKERS. It's 5.3%.
So your little conspiracy theory is BTFO.
> If 2% of people go from being unemployed but seeking work to not participating, the unemployed rate drops by 2%.
That's not how it works. And like I said there's only 560,000 discouraged in the entire country. And my guess, and yes I'm speculating, that's mostly right wing retard Trump voters who are useless because they don't have skills.
Got it? U4. DISCOURAGED. 5.3%.
Case closed.
Admit you're wrong.
>>73623553
Study this chart. Fuse it into your brain.
>>73622162
>It peaked because of the incredible Clinton economy.
As stated earlier, the "Clinton economy" was a result of Reagan's policies. Well, most of it. Some growth in housing was a result of the dangerous policies of Janet Reno and James Johnson which directly led to the wave of mortgage defaults and market collapse. I'll give Clinton those points.
>It's been going down since 1999. If you had a grade 1 education and could actually read charts, you would know that.
And if you could understand cause and effect, you'd know that laws and regulations are passed which have consequences, and those consequences are not immediately seen. I've quoted specific laws and their specific effects. Again, you've quoted nothing. You're throwing out statistics with dates with no understanding of why they're relevant or irrelevant.
Republican was President when bad thing happened. Republican's fault. Disregard laws surrounding it.
Democrat was President when good thing happened. Democrat's did it. Disregard laws surrounding it.
This is your logic. This is the logic of a 4th grader.
>>73622370
You keep quoting the 90 gorillion nonsense. Save it for arguments with someone who buys that nonsense.
>>73622523
I never claimed to be leaving before you could respond. Imagine someone showing up to a debate, giving their opening argument, tossing out some statistics without any explanation as to why they're relevant, then leaving as the other person is dismantling their garbage. That's you. Don't be surprised when you get trashed for it.
>>73623553
Job openings are at all time highs. There's no excuse for unemployed Trumptards and right wing assburgers not to be able to get a job. No matter how useless they are.
I seriously gotta go. We can continue this later if you want just please don't cry when I leave now okay. Thank you bye bye.
>>73624041
>I seriously gotta go. We can continue this later if you want just please don't cry when I leave now okay. Thank you bye bye.
LEL, he runs away again.
>>73609029
Wasn't like this in the old days.
A couple stick togehter even though they had hard times.
Surrendering and divorcing at the First slightest issue is a liberal cancer born by feminism.
>>73623923
5.3% of people are unemployed or discouraged. 62.8% are participating. The elderly, those 65+, are 14.1% of the population, and 18.6% of those participate in the labor force leaving 11.5% of Americans who are over the age of 65 and retired. 20.6m Americans are enrolled in university, many of whom work, but we'll pretend none of them are working. That's 13% of the 159m people in the labor force.
5.3% + 62.8% + 11.5% + 13% = 92.6%. Where are the other 7.4% MINIMUM of adults in the US hiding? Are they all on disability? A large number of people are excluded from U-4 who do not work, are not retired, are not students, and are not disabled.
>>73624877
>Where are the other 7.4% MINIMUM of adults in the US hiding?
Stay at home parents like Melania Trump. There's about 13.5 million of them.
You forgot an entire category.
Your retard assburger math was completely unneccessary. I even gave you the chart and told you to fuse it into your brain.
>>73623961
You also forgot to exclude millions of 16 and 17 year old high school kids.
You also assumed that nobody retires before 65.
And yes there are disabled. But only right wing assholes would criticize the handicapped and the crippled for not having jobs.
You lose. It's all over. Please admit defeat and thank me for educating you.
Good day sir. I'll see you tonight. Unfortunately
>>73602073
Economics effects of presidency are delayed, Obama just reaped what Bush sowed and Bush had to deal with a financial crisis caused by Clinton policies. Clinton just benefitted from Reagan.
>>73624041
>I seriously gotta go.
suuuure
>>73625259
>HURR DURR I BEAT YOU ON ONE POINT, I'M RIGHT!!
God when are you going to stop shit posting on /pol/?
>>73621534
I don't believe those numbers, I'm used to tampered news being a Swede so.
>>73622904
No, you claim to have won as you leave after spouting irrelevant nonsense >>73612722
>>73623961
That chart tells me is that large numbers of people qualify for SSDI for conditions like depression and obesity. It's become a way for the government to take people off forms of welfare with requirements attached to them and put them on a more permanent form of welfare which was never meant to be welfare with no strings attached.
That chart tells me that people are choosing to retire early, in their 50s and early 60s.
That chart tells me that "taking care of family" is a large demographic. Has it gone up in the past two decades? Has it gone down? Have increased government benefits to single mothers had an impact on it? As I know you won't even bother looking and you'll completely ignore the questions whenever you see them, single motherhood is up as a direct result of massive government benefits.
George Bush doesn't like black people.
>>73625259
>And yes there are disabled. But only right wing assholes would criticize the handicapped and the crippled for not having jobs.
Not everyone receiving SSDI is disabled. Increasing numbers of people are receiving it for minor issues or non-issues.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/
Thanks for the chart, by the way. It tells me what I already know, that millions of Americans are signing up for disability and millions of single mothers transitioning to jobs with less hours because they know daddy government will pick up the slack. I forgot some categories, but this really fills in those holes. I can't believe I forgot those stay-at-home moms the left hates except when they're single then the left loves them.
>>73610889
>the president determines economic outcome
>>73611117
>Based Bill brought us. Pic related.
>who is newt gingrich
>what is republican revolution
>>73603011
We need women in the workforce to compete in globalization
>>73603011
You're an idiot.
>>73625921
The fact that you're seeing both those charts for the first time tells me you're not a very intellectually curious person and would rather just buy into right wing nut job conspiracy theories.
You're welcome for the charts. I post them all the time.
I'm glad you've determined that the problem in America is too many moms raising their children and too many 1 legged veterans who aren't toiling in the mines.
Meanwhile, if you actually bothered to look at the chart closely, you would see that the increase from 2004 to 2014 is mostly retirees (baby boomers) and kids going to school (higher high school graduation rates and more post-secondary).
Just admit you got BTFO.
The U4 rate is 5.3%. I taught you that it includes discouraged,
You could at least thank me for the free education.
That's the least you could do.
>>73626195
Oh look, someone is back again.
>>73626195
Oh and yes there is more right wing mental illness and disability. Why do you think I call you right wing retards all the time? I don't deny there is more right wing mental illness.
I blame foxnews, zerobrain, shadowsharts, cnsnews and others.
Have a nice day.
>>73626239
You cry like a bitch every time I leave.
>>73603838
>Pushing communism in south america
>Allowing China to push further in the south china sea
>Allowing Iran to get missiles able to reach Israel
>ISIS has pushed just about everywhere
He did great
>>73626440
I don't, I laugh when you do because you just come back and get BTFO again. It's sad to see someone like yourself, but hey, you have nothing else to do besides shit post everyday on 4chan.
>>73604451
Low gas prices are either a sign of overproduction or slack in demand in the economy, neither is a positive indicator for the economy
>>73602073
>teen pregnancy
This is satire right?
>>73626508
Oh how could I forget that Europe has been overrun
>>73625402
lol trump's already talking about defaulting the debt
>>73626195
>I'm glad you've determined that the problem in America is too many moms raising their children and too many 1 legged veterans who aren't toiling in the mines.
I'm glad you're happy to see more women raising children in single parent homes and people receive disability for being overweight or having high blood pressure. I'm even more glad that through this entire thread you've never stopped being a jackass. I'm sure it really turns people off.
>Meanwhile, if you actually bothered to look at the chart closely, you would see that the increase from 2004 to 2014 is mostly retirees (baby boomers) and kids going to school (higher high school graduation rates and more post-secondary).
Except labor force participation is down among those 25-54. You've already admitted this. You linked a chart confirming exactly this. Why do you think it is down? You never answered that question, instead dodging it through this entire thread, repeating my very point as if it were a victory for you, and turning the question to me. I answered the question. Where's your answer? Dismissing it as "normal" is not an explanation. It was up. Now it's down. There has to be a reason. There has to be cause and effect. "George Bush was President" is not a cause. What did George Bush do to make it go down?
Right, you don't have an answer. You only have disparate facts and ad hominem. That's all you've ever had.
As a Canadian I think we should be more concerned about this chart
>>73626633
Anyone know how many teen pregnancies Clinton had?
What is there to discuss?
Bush ended his presidency near a recession.
Obama did not.
The President is one of three equal bodies of government that control federal economic policy.
Much is handled at the state level.
Currency is controlled by the federal reserve
And the market is, for the most part, a capitalist free market, not a command economy.
Which begs the question, why are their nearly completely unrelated faces attached to these images?
>>73626941
As a Canadian econ student.
Why?
You know we aren't on gold standard right? We sold them at a good time to IMO.
>>73602073
But gas prices went down because isis is giving away gas to fund their campaign.
Health insurance, although being forced on everyone, has gone up in cost over 400%.
We lost all of the middle class, well paid jobs to have more working for minimal wage
America has always been the worlds largest exporter of oil.
>>73606542
>black inequality
How do you measure this
>>73627221
gold doesn't matter too much in our current economy.
gold matters a lot in political economy
>>73602073
>THE PRESIDENT'S IMPACT ON ANY OF THOSE STATISTICS: 0%
>>73627513
In his defense, Barack Obama's guy then girl at the federal reserve has been "printing" virtual currency at an unbelievable rate for years. That is floating the stock market. Thus, Obama has had a direct effect on creating a stock bubble through government intervention. I'm sure if it bursts on January 21, 2017, our Canadian friend will look to see who was President that day and blame it on that person instead of Obama.
Obama also pushed an expansion of Medicaid onto as many states as he could, which drives down the "uninsured" rate through expanded welfare. Leftists consider shoving more people into Medicaid an accomplishment. Their goal is 100% of the population on Medicare whether we want it or not with no alternative.
>>73627221
>>73627348
maybe in peace time
but when the economy crashes and burns or when theres a war, fiat currency becomes useless and gold is the only way to purchase weapons and fuel. Maybe canada and the west is setting itself up to lose or just being plain stupid?
if there is ever a conflict with China and russia we are going run out of ammunition before they do since they have all the gold at the moment
>>73628226
>Fiat is useless in war.
Seemed to fund Afghanistan, Iraq, and syrian action quite nicely actually.
Not sure what the fuck edge you think gold gives Russia and China in your imaginary war anyway, melt it down for bullet's?
>>73602073
A fine demonstration of the many ways in which a Republican Congress is preferable to a Democrat one.
