>>73535476
Why is AIDS considered to be myth?
>>73535476
It's a nonacceptance of reality.
>>73535655
How so? What reality are they not accepting?
It's nicer than describing them as defectives.
An illness implies that a cure may be possible, where as the reality is they are mortally defective and should be euthanized
>>73535476
Thinking that you are the opposite gender is a denial of biological sex. Its a delusion
>>73535476
>deluded that I was born in the wrong body thus I should be able to multilate myself and force everyone to play along with my delusion
>why is this a mental disorder?
Gee, I wonder
>>73535476
Assuming this isn't a shit post and you are actually looking for real information I'll bite. "Transgender" people believe they are the opposite gender that they were born as. Their hormonal levels are totally normal, yet they have this belief and it can only be attributed to their brain /psyche. More than 50% of trans people attenmpt suicide and the rate goes even higher post gender reassignment surgery. Also, I believe (don't have the stats in front of me) they are 6 times more likely to have a parent with bipolar disorder. It's a mental illness.
>>73535708
The reality of their gender
>>73535708
Kill yourself.
Who said that?
Tell them to talk to me! I will straighten them out!
>>73535858
No shit? One of my friends is trans and his mother is super bi-polar. Got any papers / articles?
>>73535476
It's not. There's no such thing as transgender. These people are gay, but there's nothing cool or unique about being gay anymore, so they invented a new way to feel special.
>>73536104
What do they call tranny Turks?
Cock roaches?
>>73536108
This guy is totally wrong on most of what he says though...
>"Transgender" people believe they are the opposite gender that they were born as.
They clearly know they are not the opposite sex as, they wouldn't be transgender if they were. They only want to alter their body to achieve that aesthetic then transitioning socially into the female gender role.
>More than 50% of trans people attenmpt suicide and the rate goes even higher post gender reassignment surgery
This is factually wrong. Only one cohort of data (1973-1989) shows elevated suicide rates post-GRS.
1989-2001 and 2001-2010 actually show lower:
1973-1989: higher suicide rates post SRS
1989-2001: lowered rates
2001-2010: no longer statistically elevated versus normal population.
>"A closer reading of the paper shows that the increased mortality is in those who had surgery before 1989, and that mortality in trans people after 1989 is not statistically different from the general population. A recently published paper by Dr. Dhejne and colleagues shows that the regret rate for those having surgery from 2001-2010 is only 0.3%. Dr. Dhejne’s work shows that outcomes for transgender surgery have improved tremendously in the past 30 years, which supports the HHS decision to remove trans exclusions."
>>73535708
The reality that they are biologically male but want to pretend they are female.
>>73535773
/thread
>>73536269
Why are you so hateful?
>>73535881
You mean their biological sex
>>73535476
What else would you call mentally not identifying with your physical body and seeking to mutilate it to fit your mental state?
Oh boy another thread about these mental illness time bombs!
>>73536671
Problem is that most people assume the general idea of gender/sex being the same. The left pull out the dictionary when its convenient and deny it when its not, like the word racism...
>>73535476
They believe something that isn't real to the pint of self harm
>>73535476
For the same reasons that beliving you are Napolen or Jesus is a mental disorder.... Its fucking crazy!
This entire debate is contrived.
Fact: it doesn't matter, (legally, morally) whether transsexualism is right or wrong, just as it doesn't matter what one's religious beliefs are.
Fact: In a free society, a person should be able to go by the name they want, present themselves how they want, and generally do what they want so long as it doesn't violate the law.
Fact: The only reason transsexuals bother you is because you have a latent fear of accidentally getting into bed with one and then being labeled "gay".
>>73537078
So far this is the only good post in this thread.
>>73535476
When you have to ask "why" - it is one.
>>73535708
The reality that you were born a woman or a man. There is no guy filling spirits into fetuses who makes a mistake occasionally.
They are broken people who claim to be the opposite gender/sex
>>73535476
Girl pictured not trans.
>>73537205
What's broken about this?
It's a good question OP. I think it has to do with blunt head traumas done on the infant at its childhood. There is a correlation with childabuse and sexual deviation.
>>73537153
respond to >>73536331
>>73535476
if you have to ask you are already lost
>>73536671
One in the same, dictionary definition. Merriam Webster.
Give me a source otherwise or get out.
>>73535476
>>73535708
>>73536313
>>73537153
>0.50 deposited into your bank account
Ignore the shill /pol/
>>73537078
The problem comes when they demand to be treated as female when they are male... You can be as delusional as you want but you cant demand I indulge you in it.
>>73537078
Transexuals don't bother me. I just remain unconvinced that transwomen are actual women, and transmen are actual men. If you're basing gender off of your personal feelings, then gender is a useless concept to me. I see no reason to care what a person's gender is, only their sex. And you can't change sex.
>>73535476
Woah, who is she???? I need to know for a.....science project.....
>>73537389
Roger that.
>>73536331
None of them think they are the opposite sex though, otherwise they wouldn't be transgender. Being transgender by definition implies you aren't the sex you want to be.
Can you explain why its bad for people to alter their appearance to fit how they want to express themselves?
Is body building degenerate? What about makeup? What about clothing? How about cosmetic surgery? Breast augmentation?
Where do you draw the line between what you can and can not do?
>>73537078
That's all fine and dandy until you start demanding people change laws and social norms to accommodate you
>>73535476
>transgender
>implying their is anything other than XX and XY
>implying you can ignore your DNA because you "feel different"
>>73535476
Is that a man?
>>73537078
The law has been changed many times to promote a specific agenda
I can walk around with a nazi tattoo in america but can't do the same in germany
Tranny's bother me because they impose upon my lifestyle by forcing themselves into media and laws and waste billions of dollars that could be going to actual mental cases
Not to mention most trannies suicide by 30 so there would be no point in even wasting that money
>hurr durr they only bother you because you're insecure
Fuck off
WE ARE UNDER ATTACK. THERE ARE ATLEAST 5 THREADS UP ABOUT TRANSGENDERS AND "CROSSDRESSIN" INGORE THE SHILLS
>>73535631
Its real to Billy boy.
>>73537635
>The reality that they are biologically male but want to pretend they are female.
>None of them think they are the opposite sex though
>Being transgender by definition implies you aren't the sex you want to be.
i think you fucked up m8
>>73535476
> watch me stick a ball of furr up my ass, hop around on all fours, and bark like a dog
> believe i'm a dog stuck in a man's body
> call me a dog, please
is this a mental disorder or acceptable?
> watch me chop off my dick, hop around in some high heels, and inflect my voice with a high pitch
> believe i'm a woman stuck in a man's body
> call me a woman, please
is this a mental disorder or acceptable?
>>73537078
Being man, or woman as sex has nothing to do with religious believes.
Do whatever you wish to yourself, but stop being an attention whore who wants green light from everybody else for their action and lifestyle choises - will never happen. imo this behaviour is even more degenerate than the fact that you want to be the opposite sex.
The reason why transsexuals bother is, is because they can't stop being attention whores who bother us with their issues. What bothers us is that they won't fucking stop with their mission to convince everyone else that they are right and seek approval fom everyone so they feel better.
Anything one does can and will be critisized by others. Grow up, stop being annoying pussies and get used to it.
>>73537679
No. That is a transgirl.
>>73535476
>perceive reality with organic ocular devices
>see benis down below
>see benis attached to own body
>see benis has testicles too
>proceed to deny reality
>>73537923
* What also botheres us is that they demand special rights all the freaking time.
>>73537976
And another.
>>73535476
>Thining it's not
To the looney bin with you,
>>73537320
Well Leaf, some people are born with a penis and others are born with a vagina. The first being called a "boy" and the latter a "girl". When a penis and a vagina meet a baby is formed. However, some people with a penis think that they are a girl and vice versa. They seem to not realize that they have either a boy or a girl part. Perhaps some of them claim that gender is socially constructed. This may have been a fair point but they often seek medicine that makes them look a different gender and begin to dress like the gender they think they are. However, this leads to a problem. Because if gender is merely a social construct, then one would not need hormones to look different, unless one was to argue that changing ones genetic disposition is also a social construct. Because of this, the notion that they are the opposite gender for realizies false short and the only logical conclusion is that they have a bit of a mental problem. Any questions, lad?
>>73538192
Thinking*
If some dude wants to chop off his dick and pretend he's a woman, whatever. I might even play along on occasion just to be polite.
What I object to is the actual criminalization of stating an obvious, empirical, scientific truth: men with mutilated penises are not women. A government that can get people to declare that "gender is just all in your head" can easily get people to buy equally insane shit like "war is peace" and "freedom is slavery".
>>73537635
Altering an appearance is one thing. Thats merely a visible facet of your being. The actually changing of your anatomy to try to reflect a dysphoric state often brought about my chemical imbalances which can be regulated is what is degernate.
>>73537728
All hands to battle stations, red alert enemy fire incoming, I repeat, enemy fire incoming!
>>73538208
Holy wall of text.
> mfw
>>73538251
This. Thanks. New argument I will use in my cause against madness.
>>73537676
The 2 chicks on ends aren't exactly making a strong case, considering they look like men in drag.
>>73535476
Being homosexual used to be considered mental illness. Mental illness is more defined by societal norms than anything biological.
>>73535476
>A thread about transgenders
>Posts a picture of a woman
Why do these retarded faggots keep doing this? Stop deluding yourselves. Shemales will never look that much like women.
>>73538312
It's not brought about by chemical imbalances though.
Trannies have no imbalances. They only have sexually dimorphic brain areas that are swapped:
-Limbic nucleus
-Hypothalamus behavior and structure
-Callosal Shapes
-Cortical Thickness
-Structural Connectivity
Basically trannies brains work as you would expect. They just have some areas that flipped sexually. These areas most affected are limbic and hypothalamic areas: instinct and hormones.
>>73537976
No it's not. Why are you lying? You're only damaging your case, by making yourself look mentally unstable.
>>73538580
glad we agree that trannies are mentally ill.
>>73538438
I'm trying to give you the talk your father never did you ungrateful shit.
>>73537976
So a male. Thanks for playing.
>>73538554
That's a tranny dude.
>>73538793
How do you know Emily Rudd has a penis?
>>73538423
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>>73538438
........that dood looks scary tbqhwy famalama
>>73538793
It's a famous actress, you fucking psychopath. If you're going to lie about biological females being trans, at least pick girls that aren't well-known.
>>73538438
........that dood looks scary tbqhwy famalama, no hate only positive vibes.
>>73537635
If none of the believe they are the opposite sex, why do they get surgery to physically appear to be?
If they are the gender they are born to be, how can they be trans-gender since it would just be who they are? no transition at all.
>>73538793
you do know that women have adams apples too right? they're just smaller/less pronounced
>>73535476
Why is any illness an illness? Fuck those people with polio and TB. Theres nothing wrong with them.
>>73538191
>>73538438
>>73537320
Fuck off maddie.
You can't pass, go fantasize about your father's dick and lesbian incest with your mom more.
t. Texas
>>73535476
Source that Emily Rudd is a trans?
Because it fits the definition of mental illness.
>>73535476
I can say I'm the Queen of Sweden,I can dress up,I can request you to call me her majesty,but that doesn't make me the Queen.
>>73539466
She has talked about it in a youtube video. I'll try to find it.
>>73535476
why is schizophrenia a mental illness?
>>73535476
Because generally, if you believe yourself to be something you're not, you're considered mentally ill. It was like this for a very long time.
Seriously, though, ask yourself: If someone you knew and loved insisted they were actually a frog, began to eat flies, worms, and small fish, and told you to refer to them as 'Franky Frog Hopper', you wouldn't think them to be even the slightest bit mentally ill?
So why do you think people who dress, act, and believe themselves to be the opposite gender NOT ill?
If Emily Rudd is trans, I'm done with this fucking life, I have a crush on her.
>tfw I live far away from her and I never will gently play with her strap on
>>73539772
Famalama, say it ain't so...ooh oh ooh oh!
Your drug is a heartbreaker...
is gender identity disorder synonymous with transsexualism?
>>73537614
Emily Rudd
>>73540266
Clearly.
>>73539772
>She has talked about it in a youtube video. I'll try to find it.
You're so full of shit. Stop posting these threads. You've been doing this all day. No matter how hard your sick brain wishes, the women you post are not trans.
And what I don't get is why you don't just post actual trans women. There are tons of good examples of passable, pretty trans women. But then again, I'm not mentally ill, so...
>>73535708
The reality that if you think your neighbour's grass is greener, the solution isn't to burn your yard down, pour couple of hundred gallons of green paint on the soil and beat up anyone refuses to call it a lawn.
>>73535476
Because it often goes away with the use of anti-psychotics.
>>73535476
why is being an american a mental illness?
You guys really are bored and find the next thing to be "involved" in. You should just kill yourselves and find out what's the next life is about.
>>73540619
Proof, without posting pimozide because that has only been looked at in ONE case. And it wasn't a study, it was a case report on an individual with a learning disorder and sexual paraphilia.
Let's see evidence, no pimozide.
>>73535476
Because these people have a tendency towards self-injury. They are egosytonic however so they don't understand that mutilating their genitals will not make them happy with who they are.
>>73540619
No proof? :[
>>73541064
>mutilating their genitals will not make them happy with who they are.
the only way to true happiness is through worshipping the emperor god trump, my good little goyims
>>73537490
What problem is that exactly? have you ever met a trans woman? has one you met demanded you do anything? Seeing some stupid trans documentary on TLC or a picture of caitlyn jenner doesn't count.
>>73535476
>2016
>not loving the feminine penis
>not loving the boipucci
there is absolutely nothing wrong with transgender women
>>73537640
what laws have anything to do with transgender people? They had nothing to do with gay marriage being passed and that's the only legal matter that touches on it.
If someone is transsexual and looks girly enough to pass, they can use a women's public bathroom because no one will notice or care enough to question it. Trans women have gotten away with getting into beauty pageants without disclosing their gender.
As for calling people desired pronouns,you don't have to if you don't want to, and there will never be a law against it. It's other people's negative opinions of you that you're worried about.
>>73537078
That's all well and good until a company is forced to hire someone they know to be mentally ill who refuses to accept treatment for that illness.
>>73535476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAU3SPYFsA
>>73535476
Links to studies confirming this?
>>73535631
It's not
>>73537976
This is a chick. I've seen her instagram.
>>73540984
thats a fucking stong jaw there bud. could take a solid hook easily
>>73537704
No laws have been changed to accomadate transgenders. Laws are being passed to segregate facilities when trans people have been using the facilities they want for a long time, sometimes with the result of getting beaten.
I've heard transgender "women" complain about women talking about their periods because it makes them feel like they're not real women.
I wonder why that might be.
>>73537728
you're not under attack. I'm always posting on /pol/ with what I consider my legitimate opinions. you're just outnumbered.
I think it's really crazy how girly-like men can become these days.
Nowadays when I see a pic of a real cute lookin gal', I always ask myself "hmm is that a dude?"
Modern age is a confusing age. I don't like it.
>>73535476
How scary woukd it be to find that your (gf) is actually trans? How hard would it be to find a genuine and a real woman when transfags are accepted?
>>73538251
how is your free speech being criminalized? Your problem is that you think everyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed.
>>73542916
I'd probably vomit if I knew I touched one of those disgusting, fake wound vaginas.
>>73535476
Being trans isn't a mental illness. It's the cure to a mental illness.
>>73535476
being a liberal or religious is a mental illness and no one gives a shit about that. spare me the fedora meme.
>>73535655
>>73535708
>>73535773
>>73535846
>>73535854
>>73543142
>>73543140
>>73543007
>>73542916
>>73542911
>>73542693
>>73542683
>>73542606
>>73542449
>>73542389
>>73542369
>>73542323
>>73542292
>>73542285
>>73542176
IGNORE TRANSGENDER THREADS
IGNORE ABORTION THREADS
IGNORE SEXISTS THREADS
SHILL-THE-PILL DEPLOYS NEW STRATEGY
PIC RELATED
DO NOT REPOND
>>73543310
But trump is pro tranny
>>73539741
that's not the same thing though. There is a minority of people who consider themselves the opposite gender in every country and in every culture, in india, in east asia, in Iran, in Africa, Europe, the US, and South America. There isn't a similar widespread population of people who believe they're batman.
>>73535476
They claim to literally be brains in the wrong body. Being chemically imbalanced and neurologically fucked seems par for the course.
Knew two during my college career at OSU. One was a completely fucking bugnuts alcoholic and the other was an emotional wreck. There's a reason these people so rarely adopt. There's usually some secondary mental problem that keeps them from being fit to raise children.
>>73540619
1. you have no proof
2. if you've ever been around someone on anti-psychotics, you'd know that's a fucked up thing to say, as they can destroy the majority of someone's personality, not just their sex life.
>>73535476
The question of what causes a male animal to seek out and choose a female as opposed to another male mating partner is unresolved and remains an issue of considerable debate. The most developed biologic theory is the perinatal organizational hypothesis, which states that perinatal hormone exposure mediates sexual differentiation of the brain. Numerous animal experiments have assessed the contribution of perinatal testosterone and/or estradiol exposure to the development of a male-typical mate preference, but almost all have used hormonally manipulated animals. In contrast, variations in sexual partner preferences occur spontaneously in domestic rams, with as many as 8% of the population exhibiting a preference for same-sex mating partners (male-oriented rams). Thus, the domestic ram is an excellent experimental model to study possible links between fetal neuroendocrine programming of neural mechanisms and adult sexual partner preferences.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2684522/
>>73542606
Laws have been changed to accomadate tranny's
>Historically, Medicaid programs have denied coverage for transition-related treatment. However, this is beginning to change, as several states (e.g., California, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, and Vermont) have updated their Medicaid rules to provide hormone therapy for gender dysphoria, hormone blockers for transgender adolescents, and/or gender-confirmation surgeries.
Federal laws have also been changed to allow Tranny's to be allowed to tax deduct medical care to fit into their needs of what they feel they need in order to do cosmetic changes
>>73542292
So people with a certain mental illness should be kept from working? should people who have depression, dyslexia, or aspergers just live off their families forever? Just stigmatizing trannies as mentally ill isn't a valid argument, because the society we live in already bends over backward for the handicapped and developmentally disabled. Why should some dude who was born with downs syndrome or who breaks his back while falling out of a tree drunk get to live on social security his whole life?
>>73543310
It's really weird that you think I'm a paid shill. I'm an utterly normal person who works 40 hours a week and posts on /pol/ in between masturbating when my girlfriend's not home, and I've been on /pol/ since it was new. I don't plan on voting for Trump, but I'd never go on the internet and shill against him.
>>73544078
The rest.
>>73543442
schitzos are all over the earth too, but that doesn't make them not fucking crazy.
>>73544078
>>73544835
To be a tranny you clearly have to be mentally ill. But how fucking deranged must you be to be attracted to them?
>>73544835
Remove all that is artificial on this specimen, what you got left?
>>73544242
Are you a retard? Maybe you should read his post again. He's talking about people getting hired BECAUSE of their mental illness.
>>73535476
Why are there so many tranny/trap threads being spammed lately?
What are the shills trying to slide?
>>73535476
Is emily rudd a man?
>>73535476
Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder since it conforms to APA standards set out in DSM-5
There is nothing wrong with having a mental disorder, but thats a simple fact that it is a mental disorder and denying this does no body any favors
>>73535476
The following is a link to a study you can look into regarding treatment for gender dysphoria. This is only recommended in cases of people that are born (for example) biologically female, feel their gender is male, but want to be female.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
The fact that such a study demonstrates that medication may have the ability to reverse gender dysphoria (listed in the DSM-V) suggests strongly that GD is a chemical imbalance.
>>73546064
Transgenderism is very closely tied to schizophrenia and anti-psychotics have been shown to have positive effects against it.
This entire "issue" is just inane shit used to destabilize the unity of the public over things which don't matter, though. Transgendered people are not discriminated against legally, they cannot be fired for being transgender and they cannot be refused service unless the business states they will refuse service beforehand.
It must have been very convenient for the Bilderberg group to have transgenderism become a hot topic immediately after homosexuality was no longer seen as something that needs campaigning for equal rights.
>>73535476
DSM V lists gender dysphoria as a mental disorder. However, it states "It is important
to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."
Generally best to trust the APA's classification tool over 17 year olds on pol.
>but muh degeneracy
>euthanize everyone who isn't me
>>73535476
Prenatal endocrine influences on sexual orientation and on sexually differentiated childhood behavior
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation
>>73546489
>better to trust a cesspool of a liberal echo chamber than free thinkers capable of forming their own unbiased opinions
you don't need a fucking psychology degree to know someone is mentally ill. what we're against is the normalization of transgenderism, because it's just as bad for society as normalizing obesity.
>>73547886
Apparently you do, otherwise this wouldn't be a thread.
>>73537078
It's not a debate. If someone is literally denying reality, then there is something wrong with them. Men that take hormones and undergo surgery are not women; their genotype is unchanged. Changing a few phenotypic (or outward) properties of an individual doesn't really "change" them at all, it just makes them feel more comfortable with themselves. That doesn't bother me at all. But if someone parrots the bullshit talking point that (in this example anyways) being a trans male to female person means the person is LITERALLY a woman, then I WILL call them out on it.
You can identify as a gender-fluid stapler/attack helicopter, but don't be expect to be called mentally stable.
>>73536104
Anzy isn't a tranny. She's a legitimate girl. When will this meme die?
>>73547886
see: >>73547839
transgenderism is actually a birth defect of the brain...not a mental illness
Only the cute ones don't commit suicide. The other 40% kill themselves in rates higher than Jews in Nazi germany.
>>73537465
No one is being paid to shill for Hillary. It's a Republican-funded lie and a pathetic attempt to smear her campaign.
>>73536104
I never get tired of this meme desu senpai
>>73535476
Obama and the Libs want these degenerates to urinate in the same bathroom as your child. Fucking nigger faggot in the White House.
>>73548387
>written by a woman
>These factors have not been well-characterized, but possibilities include direct genetic effects, and effects of maternal factors during pregnancy
>Although a role for hormones during early development has been established, it also appears that there may be multiple pathways to a given sexual orientation outcome and some of these pathways may not involve hormones.
you can have a mental illness because of genetic or hormonal defects mate. that doesn't mean it's not a mental illness.
again, it's clearly abnormal and shouldn't be equated with homosexuality and heterosexuality.
these trans people are not actual women or men, they never will be and thus to extend male or female rights to them makes no sense. medicine needs to do further research on pills or other procedures that help contain their abnormal thoughts so they can live a normal life.
the solution isn't to fucking chop off their dick or implant a dick inside their vagina. the solution isn't to cater to them and create gender neutral bathrooms because of their delusions. all of this applies to fat people too. we need to help them excercise and diet properly, not collectively pay for their health expenses. treat the root cause, not the fucking effects.
>>73545129
A plank with eyes.
>>73537976
You stupid deluded nigger - fucking kill yourself.
>>73537635
Can I get some source on this so I can read further? Mainly the differences between normal male and female brains.
>>73543362
Go suck your daddy's cock in another thread then.
The only reason people vote for people is to do a job, if he goes SWJ we don't fucking want him, you're a cuck who fell in love with him.
>>73535476
>Born as one thing
>Want to defy nature and be something completely different from what you are
>Take hormones, cut off (or add) genitals that never will function correctly, spend entire life trying to be something that goes against what you truly are all because you "think" you're meant to be something else.
>Blame the world for your unhappiness when it's simply the fact that you're a mental defect who thought that changing your outside appearance would make you happy and fulfill your life
If you don't see the mental problems in that, then you're a fucking retard.
>>73549060
>you can have a mental illness because of genetic or hormonal defects mate. that doesn't mean it's not a mental illness.
Its not a genetic defect on the part of the child, its an epigenetic defect on the part of the mother.
The brain fails to masculinize, and the rest of the body continues to follow the XY script.
So its a failure for the brain to develop properly
>>73549471
start here:>>73547839
On the bright side...transgenderism and homosexuality will be solved once we develop artificial wombs and we regulate the correct dosage of hormones the fetus gets
>>73549471
Also read up on David Reimer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
>>73550299
>>73550477
Thanks guys, can't believe fucking /pol/ helped me on my homework.
>>73535476
>be X
>all measurable data proves you are undeniably X
>think you are Y anyway
>demand to be treated as Y
>see nothing wrong with this
How is this not mental illness?
>Not wanting to fuck a hot tranny
Men make better women than women.
>>73550645
this guy>>73549942
is saying it's not a mental illness, because the brain of the infant basically didn't follow along with the formation body, so you could end up with a male body but a female brain.
if we grant him that and more research supports that hypothesis, then what are we supposed to do? you'd still advocate that we accommodate these people and structure our society based on these few people with defects?
what nonsense is that?
>>73536104
I never knew a cockroach could be this... cute!
>>73550645
see:>>73547839
tl;dr
Gender is determined at conception, gender identity & sexual orientation is determined in the womb by the hormones that are pumped to the fetus' brain. Body follows the XY script but if something interrupts the brain from getting the right amount of testo., it doesnt masculinize and stays feminine.
Why is this even a debate?
If someone said
>I don't feel like my ears belong on my body! I need to remove them!
You would consider them mentality I'll.
Why do trannies get a pass?
Dumping pictures from actual Craigslist T4M personals
>>73551174
>>73551091
because apparently they don't have moral agency and they didn't choose to be a tranny. it was decided for them at birth.
so there's two options now, a) treat it at the root cause or develop treatment that can subdue such abnormal thoughts or b) create a society that caters to such a small % of abnormal people with gender neutral bathrooms or subsidized health procedures
>>73538438
Nobody is saying they can't pass as the opposite gender, but that doesn't make them female
>>73551229
>>73551286
>>73550939
should we accomodate ppl with a birth defect?
a true transgender female poses no threat to women or kids. they usually take anti androgens to block testosterone. some go as far as removing their testicles. so they are either chemically or actually castraed for intents and purposes.
Crossdressing perverts are another story altogether. They still have their balls, and ate not on t-blockers.
>>73551373
>>73551254
no...focus research on artificial wombs and problem is solved
>>73551463
i remember the first time i saw that webm of somebody's surgically created hackjob and they start shooting loads out of it
puked
>>73551545
look mate, i myself might enjoy the idea of artificial wombs, but i highly doub the public will ever support that idea
>>73537858
/thread
>>73535476
>A mental illness is a condition that impacts a person's thinking, feeling or mood and may affect his or her ability to relate to others and function on a daily basis.
>a person's thinking
I'm a woman not a man
>feeling or mood
Does not feel comfortable in their body, may result to mutilating themselves in an attempt to remove discomfort.
>may affect his or her ability to relate to others and function on a daily basis
Promoting the removal of social standards. Ex: gender specific restrooms.
None of this matters
If you aren't making a kid, you're just having a wank
>>73535476
if we all agree that the sky is blue but I say the sky is red, you would say there is something wrong with me, whether it's my eyesight, or my mental health being able to perceive things.
If for thousands of years humanity has seen a penis as male/man and a vagina as female/woman, and then you suddenly think you're a woman despite having a penis. That means there's something wrong with your mental health.
If I said I am something I am physically not, like an extra-terrestrial alien, the president of the united states, or a black man (when I'm white in reality), that means I'm mentally ill, not on the same page as reality.
>>73552028
Colonizing other planets will become a necessity due to over-population. Artificial wombs allows frozen embryos to be transported and gestated upon arrival.
Another thing that i forgot to mention was expectant mothers should avoid exposure to BPA, Pthalates, and any endocrine disruptors.
They are saying many people in government are doing a lot of stuff like that. They add too many causes to their clauses. And in turn have brought back electroshock for the stupidest reasons. Which is why they are afraid of China. America has done nothing but dumb down its population. And have done nothing but mess up especially after 911. So they are using this as mental hygiene.
History has it that in academic social circles. The smartest in all the land. Some psychologists agree that if a person has felt feminity or vice versa depending on gender, it is because they are secretly gay.
I always search for scientific proof in this kind of threads. I never find one
>>73552340
These ppl are actually born with a female brain. It's not a male brain that thinks its female...its actually structured like a females brain.
"Specific cerebral activation due to visual erotic stimuli in male-to-female transsexuals compared with male and female controls: An fMRI study". Journal of Sexual Medicine 6: 440–448.
https://dx.doi.org/10.1111%2Fj.1743-6109.2008.00981.x
>>73552882
this>>73552893
and this:
"The microstructure of white matter in male to female transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment: A DTI study". Journal of Psychiatric Research 45: 949–954.
https://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.jpsychires.2010.11.007
>>73540503
This is awesome. I wish it was better received.
>>73553100
thx anon, will read it tommorrow. 4am in poland time to sleep
baka desu senpai
>>73535476
Always remember, penis doesn't means you are a man, it's long hair that implies that and vagina doesn't means you are a woman, anus can means you are a woman too, but not when you think you are a man.
absolutely disgusting
>>73535476
Because you cannot survive mentally without medical intervention.
>>73543498
did you know katie/kaden?
>>73552893
so there's something wrong with their brain, sounds like a mental illness to me.
Schizophrenics have different structures in their brains too.
>>73550875
>Men make better women than women.
In some ways, yes, men even beat women at their own game. Nobody seems to question why the top fashion designers are all cocksucking men and not women, after all.
But, I still wouldn't fuck one, not even once. I prefer my women to actually BE women, if I wanted to be with a man, I'd be a faggot, and that's not the case. A man who cuts off his cock and takes hormones is still a man, you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig after all.
>>73553621
this
>>73540503
underated
>>73553726
No, it's a birth defect...a brain defect.
>>73553726
heh, but what about gays? they're basically an abnormal natural occurrence brought forth by a genetic defect too, no? are they mentally ill too?
i mean if transgenderism has roots in genetic defects, it would clearly be dangerous to call it a mental illness because of its other implications towards homosexuals.
i just don't understand why we make such a big deal out of it. treat these damn people and be done with it, just don't fucking structure society based on their genetic defect.
>>73551677
I need to see this....
>>73535476
How many tranny threads have you made today for fucks sake?
Tbh I have a soft spot for trannies because I wanna fuck them in the bp
>>73552893
>>73553100
>Men and women are inherently equal
>Men and women have drastically different brains
pick one
>>73551677
I haven't been shocked on this site since poopbaby
i need to see it too
>>73553937
it is a mental illness.
Just because it's a mental illness doesn't mean it's something bad or they need to be institutionalized.
it's a mental illness with no surgical or medical treatment so the only way to deal with them is to accommodate them.
>>73536057
>>73554173
Their brains are different.
Womens brains are hemispherically mirrored due to the greater number of connections between the hemispheres.
Male brains are compartmentalized and hemispheres do not look like each other.
There are other structural differences as well
>>73535476
Cause they're GUESSING. Neurobiology does not show the hearts of men, or women, in anyway that can be consistent. They are raising all this bullshit, cutting off and cutting out organs, and injecting themselves with hormones that will shorten their lifespans.... On a intuition from the same place that a madmans comes from.
>>73535476
A delusion is a belief, out of keeping with the individual's cultural origins, that is held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.
Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders including schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and psychotic depression.
>>73535631
>Why is AIDS considered to be myth?
because it is, nobody has ever isolated the aids HIV virus,
it's basically a super infection created by giving homosexuals super anti biotics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfUYtXxps-Y
>>73543310
We need a damn sticky for all these
>>73535476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAU3SPYFsA
On the 21st of March, 2016, a temporary statement with references was released by the American Colleges of Pediatricians, pending a full statement that will be published in the summer -
"The American College of Pediatricians urges educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts - not ideology - determine reality.
1. Human sexuality is an objective binary trait: "XY" and "XX" are genetic markers of health - not genetic markers of a disorder.
2. No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness and sense of oneself as male or female) is a sociological and psychological concept; not an objective biological one.
3. A person's belief that he or she is something they are not, is, at best, a sign of confused thinking.
4. The use of puberty blockers can have serious negative health effects. Puberty is not a disease.
5. Conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse.
www. sex change regret .com
>>73535476
When a person can't stop mutilating and disfiguring themselves, we call that a mental illness. When a person obsessively gets plastic surgery to the point of major health issues, we call that a mental illness.
So when a person is compelled to get surgery that mutilates their genitals and disfigures their genetic gender-specific biological features, and/or obsessively takes harmful cancer and suicide-inducing medications to maintain their intentional disfigurement, we should we call it.... what exactly?
>>73538687
>have a brain that's biologically structured to work one way
>HURRR IT REALLY IS MENTAL ILLNESS
>>73537078
the problem is that we no longer have the freedom to say, "well, I don't want to associate with this person" in the USA
what you really want is to force this shit down the throats of the remaining 99.98% of the population
if we were free as individuals to say no trannies in my restaurant then there would be zero issue
>>73557132
So they aren't mentally ill, just mentally retarded?
>>73557823
It's just a birth defect... brain defect. It's not a problem w/ their mind. The problem is with their brain.
>>73535476
sexchangeregret.com
