How do you fix the welfare system?
100 million americans recieve some form of welfare
basic income
>>73453344
Lock the budgets of all welfare spending in place and reduce this budget by 5% each year for 20 years until it is gone.
More than enough time for people to figure out an alternative.
>>73453344
You end it
>>73453344
Some kind of gladiatorial fight pit.
>>73453414
>r-strategist detected
>>73453344
Fuck off I earned it.
On Disability
Got a sweet section 8 apartment
More EBT a month then I can eat in three months.
We need Bernie to protect these rights.
>>73453614
>It's my right to be a parasite!
I'm a 6'4" chef at wendy's with a 10" dick and I make $130,000
>>73453344
give more tax breaks to Giant Corp
its always the answer
when the rich finally burst at the seams from all the caviar and champagne theyve been consuming, pennies will finally trickle down to the common man and all will be fine
we just need to know our place and let the rich have their way
War.
Massive, brutal war.
Millions dead.
Generations erased.
Famine on a biblical scale.
Plagues of the most horrendous diseases imaginable.
Fires.
>>73453463
Wellfare? Yes. Disability? No.
I think the system is what we need. But it needs to be monitored more carefully for abuse.
I have a brain tumor in my Right ventricle which is pushing on my hemispheres. I also have dementia (I'm 22..) Which has been verified by 4 of my doctors. I'm still pending disability while atleast three of my co-workers have disability for "Depression"
Occupational Training
If you can't find a job in a field you are already trained in then you will be retrained in a field where workers are sorely needed.
If a business is found to be hiring illegal immigrants over legal immigrants or citizens the owner will be put in jail unless they can prove beyond a reason of a doubt they didn't know the person was illegal. Either way they get fined. This will hopefully make businesses clean up their acts and hire people who need the jobs.
>>73453344
You can claim it but you have to payback what you used. No interest. If you die before you pay it back the debt is taken out of the remains of your estate. (They already do that with medicare )
Bring back industry, restart the trade school programs in high school.
Contrary to popular neocon belief, most people want to work.
Start a giant public works program to fix our crumbling infrastructure. Pay people
Make people on welfare work. Even if its menial labor like scraping gum off side walks. If they want to live off the government dime they'll put in their 8 hours.
>>73453344
Import more brown people. After all, high birth rates mean more welfare recipients.
>>73453344
Get rid of the federal reserve and go back to a hard currency that cannot be manipulated and freely printed.
If that were to happen, then the tides would change once everyone realizes their taxes all need to go up a gorillion percent to pay for the programs.
>>73453344
Unless you are going to die without it, no welfare.
Even then, you only get what you NEED and not a penny more.
Want nice things? Get a job.
>>73453344
Bring it down to the State level. But of course it won't happen because 1) destroys the effectiveness of welfare fraud 2) Dems want it at a federal level and they are strong at the level. The us tax base will eventually subsidize entire cities to do nothing like Venezuela. People always forget that globalism breaks the bank, every time.
>>73453344
Welfare for able-bodied people should be temporary, with periods of time where you cannot utilize that form of welfare for a period of time after that temporary welfare.
>>73455968
The thing is that if welfare remained at the state level, this strategy would fail, plummeting birth rates. But the census bureau fails to understand that if the Mexican population hits a certain threshold, the US fiscally collapses. But if California is responsible for welfare, and not Washington, then the damage remains in California.
>>73453344
Leave it to the states
Definitely restrict what you can buy with it. Like with beverages only water or milk or certain juices. It pisses me off when the giga nigga and his trap queen are in front of me in walmart with tayquan and sho'shanna running around, meanwhile they have a cart full of doritos, frozen meals, soda, bacon and pop tarts.
>>73456433
Right. It's that simple. The demography projections will then adjust to an equalibrium as Mexicans can't reproduce on the gringos dime. They have to support themselves, which will correct their fertility.
Everything is simple to those who do what must be done.
Enact a time limit. 1 year of cash support for every ten years.
Food stamps should only buy healthy cheap food. People would use it a lot less if they could only get eggs and rice.
I like Australias system. Can an Aussie offer his opinion?
>>73455558
Make being fat no longer a disability.
>>73453344
Cut it off. If people are faced with starvation, they'll get jobs. The problem with the Western world is that you can live semi comfortably on welfare. That's the only way to solve welfare.
>>73456813
Also no more mental disability
>>73453344
End it. All of it.
>>73456997
Nobody said we needed to end welfare. Might as well we shoot the mentally retarded and bury them ala hitler style.
If each state picks up the tab, let them decide who or what qualifies. That's the point.
>>73457182
What's wrong with Hitler style?
>>73453344
>100million people
>US population 350million
>whites 77% of population
>blacks 13% of population
>350mil-100mil = 250mil
>77% of population = 269.5mil
>at the absolute minimum 19.5million whites receive welfare
>that would require literally every other race in the country to be on welfare
>tfw huge amount of that 100mil is white
>tfw whites receive welfare
Kill the niggers.
>>73453344
Turn off the tap so they go back to their various socialist utopias in Latin America.
As far as I'm concerned some Appalachian crackers starving to death is acceptable collateral damage. That and all the ex-mining town faggots that won't leave and get real jobs.
>>73457478
Really? (I shouldn't be surprised.)
Fascism fucks up the soul because it means that a society can only solve its problems through murder.
>low wages? Shoot the laborers
>bad diplomacy? Shoot the foreigners
>economic crisis? Let's steal some shit
>unpopular leader? Shoot the disidwbts
>can't give healthcare? Kill the sick
Fascism is so simple minded that we've failed to really know what it is, because we've never talked to it on its own terms. We can't just shoot everyone every time there is a problem. Even fucking Stalin was interested in solutions beyond general murdering. That's how the system produced men like Gorby.
>>73457565
If Appalachia had a growing population, we'd be fucked for the same damn reason. Math is on my side for this one.
mandatory execution for drug addicts
>>73453344
Fix it? Abolish it.
Replace food stamps with soup kitchens. Replace public housing with homeless shelters. Instead of giving degenerate people money to spend on degeneracy, give them the minimum goods, not money but goods, needed for survival and let them decide if they want to earn a higher standard of living.
>>73457851
Stalin was quoted saying "Death solves all problems. No man, no problem.". Stalin's death count was much larger than Hitler's. Communism loves murder, Fascism looks for more alternative ways to solve things. Hitler wanted to deport the Jews, not genocide them.
I'm just saying why waste government resources on the mentally handicapped. They have nothing to live for. No pleasure in life. In fact, the euthanasia of the mentally handicapped is a release, a favour performed by us, for them.
>>73453344
IT ISNT THE PROBLEM
the problem is the cause of the need for it
>>73453344
Eliminate income tax for the first $50,000
Don't give niggers incentive to have tar babies (aka don't pay welfare per tar baby)
>>73458219
The cause of the need for welfare is welfare.
drug screenings
>>73458219
>>73458298
No welfare, no problem.
>>73457851
>Fascism is so simple minded that we've failed to really know what it is,
Then why give a (bad) example of what you think fascism is, if in the same post you state that nobody understands fascism. Which I will assume, you also mean fascists.
>>73458215
God damn weedman.
>implying you don't buy the holocaust
The Soviets at the very least were trying to implement their fucked up utopia. They were moving toward something. Hitler wanted to shoot anything and everything for the intrinsic reason of murder. Don't bullshit us. I know what this game. And in your case, since you don't know how to deal with the retarded, the only thing you have to offer is murder
>>73453344
Conscription. Put them on the front lines with junkies and morons, put a machine gunner behind them, give them a rifle and five rounds, force them to advance til they die or get gunned down from behind.
>>73458525
How should we deal with them? Spend millions in doctors, nurses, and equipment for them to drool on themselves? I can see if they're a Stephen Hawking, but 99.9999999999% of people dependant on 24/7 care aren't, and everyone benefits if they're euthanized. Unless you are a tax wasting statist, you have no choice but to agree with me.
>>73458618
this is america friend, we already do the whole war for profit thing
>>73457182
Retards are criminal perma-children that place a massive burden on the healthcare system, social security, EBT, and local governments. Even "high functioning" retards can't be trusted to complete basic tasks because they all have behavioral issues. They should be gassed.
t. state tard handler
>>73458525
>Hitler wanted to shoot anything and everything for the intrinsic reason of murder
Found the jew
>>73458618
Only in war time though. The rest of the time get them working in work camps, manufacturing machines and such.
>>73458764
Not gassed, just put to sleep with carbon monoxide. We should at least be humane here.
>>73458939
>Not gassed, just put to sleep with carbon monoxide
Not gassed, just gassed......
>>73458098
This too. Junkies never "get better", they just keep stealing and destroying everything they can to get high.
Make it inversely proportional to how many kids people have. Have more kids, get less money. That way we're incentivizing people who are lazy and stupid to not breed.
>>73453344
>How do you fix the welfare system?
to fix the welfare system you have to fix the job market and to do that is to make sure people can have moderately paying jobs without jumping through hoops in academia i.e Manufacturing and to do that is to bring production and keep outsourcing out of america
>>73458725
>>73458764
Pol is bringing up the heat.
My problem with welfare is moral hazard. Border cities have every incentive to use federal tax money without consequence. My solution would at the very least end moral hazard.
but that's the thing. We could still do a lot of good for people by making things more efficient.
Any moron can put a bullet through simple jacks brain. But don't pretend that this a position of strength or a solution. If you REALLY want to end this, screening fetuses is a better solution "of your own solution." But again, I don't see any wisdom from the fascist plan, because fascism itself is a lack of it.
>>73458777
Actually. Hitler promised death and destruction and fucking shit up is the best part of being a fascist did most.
>>73459237
So you think that people who soil themselves and eat purée all day, yet it costs thousands to keep them alive everyday, should be given the privilege to live?
>>73458004
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
>>73459237
I agree with you 100%. I'd go a step further and say people should have to meet certain requirements to have children, period.
Niggers and white trash shit out kids and act like making them is as simple as catching a cold, then expect society to pay for it.
>>73459355
Hitler promised prosperity for the German people. He didn't get elected saying "My platform is carnage and murder". He promised a prosperous Germany at any cost necessary.
>>73459547
Agreed. Also tests to be able to vote. If you need to take a test to operate a vehicle you should need to take a test to choose who runs the country.
>>73459465
If it costs "thousands" to keep them alive """"""every day,"""""" then simple Jack is going to get shot. But if it was possible to reduce that amount to a manageable cost, other than """"""thousands a day,""""" perhaps the enfeebled could live.
The thing about your criticism is that it's unrelated to mine, so it's a futile debate.
It people were purposefully having unproductive kids knowing that the government would pick up the tab....oh wait, that's the actual problem. Retards aren't purposefully conceived. But criminals are in fatherless hones
A road is welfare
You stop giving people stuff, make it a sliding scale rather than 20,000 = free and 20,001 = pay for it yourself
>>73459585
Actually he did. I know too much about this shit, but I don't play for that team so pol is fucked.
>>73459792
I'd love to rape a retard before I put a bullet in its skull. To stick my manmeat in its sticky gaping hole.
I'm frustrated.
>>73459792
>The thing about your criticism is that it's unrelated to mine, so it's a futile debate.
L2argue then
we need mo money for dem programs
>>73459670
Tests isn't the best answer. But I would accept it. Property ownership never works out because too many smart people don't own property. So they wind up leading the masses to victory
>>73460017
Sorry you need to work on better bants
>>73459969
What?
>>73453414
This, really. As everything becomes more automated in the coming years, the idea that humans need to work 40 hours a week (or feel useless if they don't) will come under greater scrutiny. A generation from now, it won't be like people who aren't doing anything to 'earn money' will impact the economy in any meaningful way. Centuries of physical labour and technological innovation.. why shouldn't we enjoy it?
If people want to work hard and get rich, they still can, but if others want to grow food, make art, make music, or discuss the benefits of National Socialism in small groups whilst wearing fedoras and smoking pipes, why not? Hasn't that been the point of science, to get us to a point where everything mundane is done for us, and we can do whatever the fuck we want?
>>73459915
>Actually he did. I know too much about this shit,
Then where is your proof? You say so much crap, but have nothing to back it up but meaningless statements. I truly hope the other users of this board can see through your empty statements.
>>73459898
>You stop giving people stuff, make it a sliding scale rather than 20,000 = free and 20,001 = pay for it yourself
What you're referring to is called the "welfare cliff" and it is the single most insidious aspect of most state welfare programs.
It explicitly discourages people from working. They lose benefits at hard income lines and their qualities of life go DOWN for earning more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfUHAq15yBY
>>73460150
You heard me, short stack.
I can't wait to kill regards for moolah when the regime change takes place.
>>73459465
Its actually a whole fucking lot cheaper to take care of them in nursing homes than you think.
iirc it only costs like 3$~ a day in food because everything is ordered in bulk and has to be cooked and made, there is usually 1 cna per 10 residents where I work, so thats like 12.50 an hour for 24 hours
128$ a day for someone to take care of them
cook and dietart aide make about 8 and 10$ an hour and work a 6-8 shift which is 14 hours
140$for cook
112$ for dietary
390$ a day to feed and take care of them, the cost of detergent to washclothes and everything is about 20$ a week for 10 residents
410$, electriciy and water divided over multiple residents for a facility would probably be around 150$ a month or 5$a day. Housekeeping works like 4 hours a day at 8$, activity director 8$ 1 hour a day, maintence got cut back to 4 hours a week 10$ hour
490$ a day. We also have to factor in the LPNs CMAS and RNs making 17$, 13$ and 20$ an hour all day,
408$ for 1 LPN which is pretty much all that work at my shithole, then we need to factor in management cost and everything at around 500$ for each of the 3 branches, dietary, buisness, social work
1500+408+490
1998$ for 1 person, but an lpn is divided between 25 residents atm so fuck math im tired, its not quite that expensive
>>73459167
I agree with this.
>>73453552
Nice meme
>>73456569
Ebin meme
>>73460535
hold on im actually going to do the math for this on muh laptop
>>73458215
>muh 100 billion trillion
At least Stalin modernized his shitty country and could rebuild after being invaded multiple times.
>>73458725
What about individuals with depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, or other disorders that occur often in intelligent individuals?
>>73461352
It's a tough life, but community support and not state intervention should be the primary focus. Therapy, not NEET bux.
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4131
Since removing welfare is not an option, politically. I would suggest welfare reform along the following lines.
1. No single parent may receive welfare benefits. Both parents must be married to receive welfare.
2. Welfare will be dispersed like so:
3. The mother will receive subsidized housing vouchers or residency in a state housing unit.
4. The father will have the right to cohabitate unless a court orders a separation.
5. No cash benefits will be dispersed, only food vouchers issued by the Department of Agriculture, in the form of an expanded WIC program.
6. The father will receive the food vouchers.
7. Clothing and book vouchers will be issued every August, with the clothing vouchers going to the mother and the book vouchers to the father. No branded apparel will be eligible for purchase with clothing vouchers.
8. All members of the family will receive free mass transportation vouchers.
9. Provisional stipulations for parentless children will include an order of care succession, including churches.
10. Parents on welfare would be required to attend community college or labor on public works programs.
>>73456128
No individual state wants to do it either.
Imagine, lets say Wyoming, is the state the provides the best welfare system. Well, you can think of the USA as being 50 small countries with totally open borders and freedom of movement. So all the leeches would then flock to wyoming for the gibsmedat, shitting all over the system, bringing problems with them, etc.
That's why dems want it at a federal level, so they can have their gibs without fear of all the leeches coming into their specific turf.
>>73455295
That would actually fix a hell of a lot more than welfare.
>>73462224
The state option is more efficient and this solution doesn't eliminate the moral hazard of successful communities subsidizing unsuccessful ones.
>>73453344
>>73460535
>>73453344
A negative income tax (i.e., basic income) that replaces the welfare system as Milton Friedman explains in the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM
>>73462565
I'd rather get rid of the income tax system, replace it with a flat consumption tax and institute a basic income.
>>73462394
And they'd be right in the year 1999. The problem with their calculation is that they assume rich communities will always have enough wealth to subsidize the poorer ones a thousand miles away. But when it gets to the point where there isn't enough money to go around, their "logic" breaks down from disequilibrium. When California stops being a money contributor, the problems will begin. They won't be able to keep their cake when geographic inequality becomes too extreme.
>>73453344
Best solution is to bring back manufacturing and actually promote vocational programs.
Eliminate the per-baby welfare benefits and punish those who have multiple children from multiple men.
The unemployed and able-bodied should be forced on public work projects until they find at least 20-30 documented hours of employment a week.
Lose the right to vote while on welfare.
>>73462928
Sounds pretty reasonable to me. I miss Milton. RIP.
>>73463166
Your solution is a crime against the ghost of St Ronnie, but I like your train of thought.
>>73453344
Breeding restrictions/re-introduce the two keeds reform.
>>73463196
Indeed, he was a great man.
>>73463166
FEED
THE
ALABAMAN
BULL
WORM
remove niggers
>>73460296
Same. I can't wait to work in a concentration camp, and watch a retard beg for mercy before I put a bullet in its skull.
>>73459915
Provide proof be cuss so watched so many of his speeches and nothing came close to killing all Jews.
Retard.
>>73460046
What's a better answer than tests?
>>73453414
this, people are scamming the system already with untaxed labour and commerce
everyone i know on welfare has something on the side just to get by
end the welfare trap so they can legitimize and get taxed, the economy would boom
otoh as a libertarian i prefer the current system staying broken as it's slowly chipping away at big governments, I doubt we'll get to witness collapse in our lifetimes tho
>>73462527
I can buy a box of 9mm for less then 25$
There you go cheaper way to help the retards and the homeless and the welfare.
>>73466226
>UMC
>Shit tier
I can buy a box of 1000 for cheap as shit, and they run through my gun just fine.
Its not like I'm going to be using them for defense or anything anyways.
>>73466226
And the drug users the gangsters the bankers the rapists the murders
You know what fuck lets just drop a big ass nuke on everything
The must be cheaper then what ever the fuck this bullshit life is.
>>73458298
imbecile.
>>73466226
your pic is woefully inaccurate.
>>73466415
Why not white box
And your right 1000 rounds for cheap can take a lot of fuck ups out of society.
And be fire some liberal asshole says you first
That's a done deal if I knew me killing myself wood destroy the world that would be awesome fucking deal
When God come and calls me to his kingdom I'll take all you sons of bitchs when I go
>>73466546
But muh /k/
And fuck off don't see your better one
>>73462224
Honest to god, that sounds more bloated and more prone to waste and abuse than the current sytem.
And I don't think that politics is the problem, I think that culture is. We're too far gone from the era of aid societies and voluntary organizations and systems that provided help for people who needed it.
>>73463166
>bring back manufacturing
Do you retards need to dump your stupid ideas all over every thread? The American manufacturing sector is dead, and we'll all be better off in the long run as soon as people get the fuck over it and start putting effort into industries that can compete on a global scale and won't be automated inside the next decade.
Could start fixing it by forcing shitty corporations like walmart to pay a living wage.
one of the first things they do when they hire you is help you get on food stamps and other forms of assistance.
>>73457634
Starving Appalachian cracker here. We were your collateral damage during the Industrial Revolution. Your Yankee paradise (the big city) could not have been built or powered without our coal or labor. We're not interested in being your collateral damage again. And we own guns.
>>73462224
this is good. the idea is to make poverty be barely survivable so those unfortunately in it will be incentivized to leave
now we have democrats promising welfare recipients even more welfare so they have no incentive to do anything
the us has made living in poverty acceptable to many people
>>73466781
>The American manufacturing sector is dead
yeah and why is it dead?
because of terrible trade deals and tariffs ON US MADE GOODS FOR EXPORTING that undercut production in the usa
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
>>73466639
appeal to accomplishment fallacy
>>73466781
Retards still need jobs and there are too many of them to stock McDonalds, Janitorial staffs, and Wal-Marts.
It might come as a newsflash, but you can't have a economy last long that doesn't produce physical goods.
>>73467971
>>73467971
bull
you can substitute a body bag for every metric ton of any other goods produced
>>73467806
You still miss the part where we're better off leaving its moldering corpse in the ground putting the resources into more profitable industries.
>>73467971
>Retards still need jobs and there are too many of them to stock McDonalds, Janitorial staffs, and Wal-Marts.
Good to see at least one of you fuckwits admitting you're just after welfare dressed up with a different hat.
>>73467909
Blah blah blah
Make a better graph or fuck off then
>>73453444
What do you do with those with severe disabilities. People who are born without arms or legs can't just take random factory jobs
>>7347072
free up all the money the government steals to fund welfare, and people will have more to donate to charitable organizations.
>>73467971
>It might come as a newsflash, but you can't have a economy last long that doesn't produce physical goods.
Recognize that yet still prefer to pick on retards who actually perform cleaning and food related work for 40k a year instead of wall street fatcats who makes millions just making guesses about fluctuating numbers
>>73468501
oh yeah and what industries are those?
banking?
toppest of the keks shlomo
>>73453344
>Scrap all Welfare
>Turn it into BI for 21+
>Only get BI if you are actively helping the community/volunteering in the army
>>73453344
You force the United States to stop spending money that it doesn't have. Our nominal tax rate is like 23-24% of GDP, but our spending is ~40% of GDP. Imagine raising income taxes on everyone to the amount they are supposed to be, plus slightly more, in order to pay the debt off in 100 years.
The 10% bracket would be raised to 37.6%
The 15% bracket would be raised to 42.6%
The 25% bracket would be raised to 52.6%
The 28% bracket would be raised to 55.6%
The 33% bracket would be raised to 60.6%
The 35% bracket would be raised to 62.6%
The 39.6% bracket would be raised to 67.2%
You can bet your ass welfare would dry up REAL fast.
>>73474170
And those number are presuming that GDP remains stagnant, and that the interest rate on the debt are 0%.
