In today's tumultuous world with the rising tide of Islam, it is our God given duty to fight against heretics and blasphemers! We are His children and His warriors on Earth!
Take the quiz: Which religious Order would you have belonged in during the Medieval Ages?
http://catholic-link.org/2015/11/01/quiz-what-religious-order-would-you-belong-to-if-you-lived-in-the-medieval-times/
Let us unite in His name!
>Post favorite passages
>favorite Saints
>favorite Popes
Theological discussion in general, all Catholic anons welcome!
This is now a
WHITE CATHOLIC SUPREMACY THREAD!
>>73448262
OP here, also post results of your quiz!
>>73448262
>Mathew 10:33
>Saint Tavelic, Saint Michael the Archangel
>John Paul II and Urban II
>>73448262
>Matthew 5:43-48
>>73448262
I think it's biased in favour of Templars. I expected Jesuit based on my answers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxvXITTLLY
>crazy stupid catholics think they're better than Muslims
One hearty kek for you
What's that "not to be loved, but to love (...) with all my heart" prayer?
Prayer of St. Francis? I really like it.
>>73448809
>one complimentary fedora has been deposited into your account
>>73448262
Will this become a regular thing Mr OP? I miss the days of Wolfshiems Catholic Generals.
>6 days to Pentecost
>Getting baptized into the Church on Pentecost
>20 years not being a part of communion
>Mass is favourite part of the week currently even without communion
Thank you again Wolfie for helping me find Catholicism in all the Christian and Catholic generals last year.
>>73448809
I will pray for you.
>>73448968
If the general consensus is wanting a Catholicism general every day I can try and accomodate
>>73448262
I'm here to show my support, brothers.
It won't take long before the fedora "le reddit army" shows up.
>>73448262
>>73448686
forgot my result screencap
>>73449160
All are welcome, we must stand strong against the non-believers and tippers
>>73449106
Catholic Generals everyday, or every other day would be great.
>>73449106
Well thanks for starting this thread OP.
Also
>Quiz result
>You would belong to the ordern of the Knights Templar
>Deus Vult
>>73449262
>>73449296
I will try my best to do this around 8/9 PM EST as often as possible
>>73449225
my order
Yes, me and my friends are all devout Catholics! AVE IMPERATOR!
Who /feser/ here?
>>73449545
That's nice.
>>73449106
I would love to see this.
>>73449545
are you role playing an intellectual internet-schooled atheist?
>>73448262
>post favorite passages from the Bible
Luke 4:41
"And devils went out from many, crying out and saying: Thou art the Son of God. And rebuking them he suffered them not to speak, for they knew that he was Christ."
This one kind of creeps me out. This is when Jesus was still not telling his disciples who he really was. I can just imagine Jesus walking down the street, and people stop and point and the demon inside them says "He is the son of God!" It's like they knew, they could see it. The Devil is already here, among us.
>favorite Saints
Right now St. John of the Cross
>favorite Popes
Don't know enough about them to have one. I prefer Traditionalists, and I believe Vartican II was the smoke of Satan.
Required viewing:
Mother Angelica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db1ak4ROwiE
Bishop Fulton Sheen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuCw8UT5y6c
WCBOHIO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKhZGtw_diY
Giving this a bump and another picture before heading off to lectures. God bless.
>>73450087
Thanks for joining us today/tonight Kiwi, look forward to having you in future threads!
>>73448262
Reminder that Jews are promoting atheism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkVC1gZInxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0LhabQJ_-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NQOnjswuFI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/the-jewish-thinker/.premium-1.669381
http://www.shj.org/
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/secular-humanistic-judaism-rejecting-god/
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/must-a-jew-believe-in-god/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/atheist-jews-judaism-without-god_n_978418.html
http://thehumanist.com/magazine/september-october-2014/humanist-living/jewish-atheists-and-koufax-jews
https://secularpolicyinstitute.net/numbers-the-rise-of-jewish-atheists/
Matthew 23:13King James Version (KJV)
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
>>73450087
heading off to sleep here, good night and good bless
>>73450329
*God bless
my bad
>>73450087
Have a good day m8
For anyone joining us, what are your views on
>science and the churches part in it
>marriage in the 21st century
>refugee crisis of europe
I want good discourse, shills and fedoras can leave
Reminder for anyone that tries to argue you can have morals without religion
That Max Stirner called this out on other atheist
Consider the claim moral realists are making. They generally claim there are invisible properties in the world not detectable by our usual tools of science, properties of an entirely different sort than the usual “is” facts of science.
These are mysterious “ought” facts, and there is great disagreement about what they are or how we know them.
Now that is a strong claim.
An extraordinary claim, we might say. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, right?
So what is the atheist’s extraordinary evidence for this claim? Usually, it’s something like this:
“I experience a world of moral facts. I feel very strongly that rape is objectively wrong, and charity is objectively right.”
“Almost everybody believes in moral facts. It’s just obvious. Until you can prove there aren’t any, I’m justified in believing what people have always believed: that some things are really right or wrong.”
Do those arguments look familiar? They should.
Atheists are skeptical of these arguments when given for the existence of God, but they are credulous and gullible toward these arguments when you replace the word ‘God’ with another mysterious thing called ‘moral facts.’
This was brought up by Max Stirner during a debate with Marx and other atheist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r730F3_o_C4
>>73448262
> How to Draw Knights
> Drawing knights, damsels and dragons excites a child's imagination and develops creative, artistic skills. Learn how to draw an armored knight and a fair maiden from a professional cartoonist in this free drawing video series.
faggot
Are there any learned christian scholars here? What was up with the Arianism heresy and its social/political relevance, especially during the reign of Justinian the Great? Why were the Germanic people that usurped power in the Western Roman Empire all Arians? i.e. was it really just a theological divide, or was it a front for racial/cultural division.
It seems like Justinian picked a fight with the Germanics in the Occident over a petty theological issue, when they were quite willing to be a part of the Roman system. I've been watching the Europe from its Origins podcast, hopefully what I'm asking makes some sense.
I will probably leave the church tbhfamilia
Because fuck this pope, and fuck the priests here chanting "YAY, MORE MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS. Praise be the lord, open the gates or you are a heathen, MORE NIGGERS"
I aint paying churchtax for this retard shit anymore.
Mel Gibsons dad is based!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5dVWUKJ8b4
>>73450758
Don't leave brother, times may be tough and trying but do you not think that this is part of the plan? This is a test of our faith, we cannot forsake it now! Stand strong brother and defend against the foreign hordes!
>>73450758
So you profess to know more or be wiser than God?
>>73450502
>Marriage
The government shouldn't recognize religion and should be done by a church/mosque/synagogue to be honest because if we do that then we will have no worries over your wife stealing everything from you and people doing shit like "Polyamory" or whatever
>Refugees
Most shouldn't be accepted regardless of religion and since most are men in their 20's, they should just be sent back but families that convert to euro culture can stay until the conflict is over.
>Science and Church
I believe these two can co-exist if that is what you are asking
>>73450917
I meant Marriage not religion in what the government shouldn't recognize sorry
>>73450739
https://youtu.be/HqGwurTTKZk?t=1087
>>73450502
>>marriage in the 21st century
I think the state has made a complete mockery of marriage, it should be left in the hands of the church.
>>73450546
Stirner was a strange one.
>>73450917
I knew what you were saying about marriage, and I agree. Separation of Church and State is very important, and something that should be feasible.
>>73450057
Shame she died
>>73451136
Exactly
You know, this probably the wrong place to ask, but does the Church really have a problem with homosexuals? I wasn't raised with any religious teachings, and I used to consider myself an atheist, but lately I've been thinking of at least talking to a priest, or attending Mass, but the only experience I really have with Christians are bigotted southern Baptists.
>>73451053
> thinking the rest of the world cares what Australia thinks about the state and marriage
Stick to your hilarious bantz, thanks augfag
>>73448262
I will pray for you Catholics. That you read the letters to the Churches in Revelation at least once in your life.
>>73451612
Yes. Homosexuality is a problem. Nobody that accepts what is written in the Bible in the NT and the OT can deny this.
>>73451612
It is a sin in both forms of Christianity.
>>73451665
Would God approve of your holier-than-thou dismissal? To pray for another based upon their differing Christian beliefs belies your hubris and lack of humility.
>>73448262
How do we take back the Hagia sophia?
>>73451839
We're all dirty rags before the Lord. I think you know that as well as I do.
>>73451612
Yes, but any good and serious Christian will not demean you for it - aka, hate the sin, not the sinner.
nice idolatry cucktholics
>>73451612
It is a sin in both the New and Old Testament. However, since the Bible is a written account/living document, there are arguments for why or why not homosexuality should be a sin. For all intents and purposes, it is a sin. It is every good Christians' duty to spread their seed and with it the word of the Lord. This cannot be done with homosexuality.
>>73450899
I profess that the priests are literally using my money to shame and try to hinder those in my nation who want to get rid of the muslim invaders.
Im not gonna support the Muslim Invasion by shoving any more money down their throaths. God gave me a brain so I may use it, and I wont support this Treachery anymore https://www.erzdioezese-wien.at/site/home/nachrichten/article/49674.html
tl, dont speak german: Austrian Cardinal says EU is still way too closed for refugees, we need to accept more.
>>73450546
I understand and agree with almost everything you're saying, except how it relates to your central point:
> you can't have morals without religion
You've shown that believers in religion(by this I assume you mean belief in God) and believers in the existence of morals use the same fundamental argument in justifying their belief: that they simply feel its existence, and that others agree with them.
. It is still possible however, for a person to accept the argument in one situation and not the other. A man can say he feels the existence of morals, but doesn't feel the existence of God, and how can you say he is mistaken in his feeling? You've certainly succeeded in putting the two on the same epistemological footing though.
>>73451943
>Jehovas witness spotted
May God have mercy on your soul.
>>73451752
>>73451777
Eh, this is the kind of shit that makes me realize they're shysters anyway. Oh, sorry, your love is arbitrarily wrong because the genders aren't right. I thought Catholics understood the Bible as inspired but not literal? Do you really live based on the superstitions of a few of the authors had, thousands of years ago?
>>73448262
Come back to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church brothers. The papacy has failed you.
>>73451894
I have thought about this and our best bet is Hungary
>raised up Catholic
>lost the faith
>found my own form of faith in the woods through out the years
>as I spend more time reflecting on it and refining views I find it growing closer and closer to Catholicism
Do you guys think the church would take me back? I'm still not sold on on the facts, but it is a damn sight better than anything else I have found.
>>73448262
So if holy orders contradict the scriptures, which is right?
>>73451955
Why don't you have a talk with your priest if he brings up supporting the invasion?
>>73452142
KGB please
>>73452148
You wouldn't be the first to go through that process
>>73448262
quasi-agnostic here.
my family has always been Catholic (Slovak on both sides) but lately I've always felt separated form the church. I've not been baptized, and i shamefully wank on a semi-regular basis.
Where do I start on the path to god?
>>73452093
Huh? Christ trusted his Apostles. He also reproved the Churches in Revelation later on.
The Word is true and eternal. The Earth and Heaven shall pass away but his Word will never pass away.
>>73450087
Is Jesus also a door and a Shepard
>>73452158
The Catholic church was founded through Saint Peter who was the head apostle under Jesus. It is an interpretation based on the works of the Bible through the current Papacy. While it may seem contradictory, that is why there are changes in the Papacy and through that changes in holy orders.
>>73448938
kek!
>>73452173
>KGB maymay
A fucking leaf
>>73452270
>>73452148
Study and pray. Pray not to be deceived and to have your heart open to the truth.
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
>>73452345
Galatians 6:6-10
Explain pls
>>73452432
I will be using this pastebin in new threads in the days to come. thank you anon.
>>73452431
Looks like you're posting with the wrong red, white and blue, Ivan my friend :^)
>>73452480
Explain the passage? Or my prior statement? Sorry for the confusion
>>73448692
fucking cucks
i don't know how any self-respecting white person can be a catholic
>>73452319
So which apostle dictated that love between two men or women was invalid, exactly? I'm not going to leave my husband for a religion. That what I would call immoral, a sin. Deeply hurting another human being. Maybe the Church interprets the teachings of Christ differently, or maybe this isn't the place to find out.
>>73452646
>>73452829
>OM(not gOd) GUYS THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT WHITE PEOPLE DONT LIVE IN
>>73452432
>read the kjv
>>73452634
Eph 2:8-10
Paul taught that it is by grace through faith, not works
Galatians 1:6-10
even if an angel teaches a differing gospel than we have taught, let them be accursed
>>73451943
>>73452646
>>73452829
>your latest bank statement shows a recent deposit of three more fedoras to your account
I'm not so sure im comfortable with abrahamitic religions centered in middle-east.
>>73448262
im not catholic but im in for a crusade.
OP here signing off for the night, remember to ignore the non-believers. I will be back tomorrow for another instillment of Catholicism General! God bless you all!
> 2016
> falling for the dead kike meme
Joos vult
>>73453048
you've got a recent deposit of pedo priest dick up your ass
>>73448262
Got dominican, how'd I do?
Trump/Paul 2016
>>73453641
>Hates Religion
>Enters a Religion thread
>Nobody forced him too
>Complains about religion
>Autism and impotent rage
wew
>>73451612
I feel like there is a subtle misunderstanding between Christians and the general public about this issue. The general public thinks that 'sin' is just something that is reviled because it is anti-social, and that is often the case: murder, theft, etc. are all actions that are forbidden because they are destructive to other people's property and lives. But religion typically tries to teach a bit more than rules and laws which you are forced to obey to keep society functioning. They also want to teach you how to live your own life in the best possible way. Homosexuality isn't supposed to be a sin because it harms society, even though that's how the Christian belief on it is usually attacked. It's a sin because it harms the sinner.
It's also important to understand the cultural context of Christianity in its formation, during the period of classical antiquity. Homosexual behavior at this point in history was mostly men more or less raping little boys. It was inherently a brutal act of dominance. So there probably was also an element of social control originally.
>>73454040
Maybe God did, so that they could hear the word
>>73454121
Or the devil to make them suffer for their ways.
>>73454121
Maybe
It Worked for the Russians
>>73454040
i'm an ex-catholic and i hate this faggot religion. you guys are just larping, you don't go to confession, you don't adore the blessed sacrament, you don't do shit except play pretend on the internet
>>73454279
i mean paul killed christians, and look what that got him
>>73452218
>>73452432
I need to be honest, I'm not as ready to come back as I let on. I will have to reflect more, I went to mass today and all I found was a bunch of virtue signaling bluepilled retards. I want to bring myself back, but I went to try and understand, but all I found today was an old man preaching acceptance and compassion. I also could be wrong, but it seems to be a lot less rigid than it was in my youth. I always say that history favors those who pick up the sword and forgets those who set it down, but all I found today was idiots with plowshares trying to pretend they are practicing the old faith.
Is their a sect of the church that is more in my line, or are the old ways gone?
>>73454632
you could try to find an SSPX church but then you'd be larping twice as hard
>>73454632
Are you born again?
>>73448262
This shit is serious ? Rly ?
http://www.comicbookreligion.com/?c=89&Punisher_Frank_Castle
>>73454632
Just talk to the priest about it
>>73455089
Paul said
Eph 2:8-10
and Gal 1: 6-10
and the catholic church teaches a Gospel of works to salvation, which is right?
>>73454858
How do you define born again? I've seen it mean just about everything you can think of, from I quit drinking, to I did and came back and want to make amends.
>>73454767
What is larping?
>>73455354
Salvation is not something you can be certain about so works makes it more likely since being moral will lead you to do works
Domini canes, I approve. Cryptojews and hidden heretics beware.
>>73455486
Live Action Role Playing. like dressing up as a wizard and pretending to cast spells, which is more or less what a catholic priest does
>>73454445
I went to Confession yesterday, received Communion this morning, tomorrow I have a meeting with the catechumen (now neophyte) I sponsored, and on Tuesday I have a meeting with SSVP. Don't talk nonsense.
>>73455354
>and the catholic church teaches a Gospel of works to salvatio
Except it doesn't. The Church teaches salvation by grace, which cannot be earned. Works, particularly charity, opens our hearts further to receiving God's life, but there is no way to win or earn it.
>>73455486
Works cant save you my friend, its all on Jesus.
Man kind has a sinful nature, in which we cannot be with God, when you die and you give an account, if you are not covered by Jesus, you will go to Hell, Jesus died and rose from the dead, so that those who trusted him, would not perish, but have ever lasting life, here is what you need to do, Repent (change your mind), and put your trust in Jesus. the best way to do this is to get on your knees, say a prayer to God, thanking jesus for his sacrifice, and begging him to forgive your sins. let me know after you do this
>>73455486
Being born again means baptism, unless you're talking to a Protestant in which case it means whatever they life. With baptism, we die to sin and are born to new life in Christ Jesus. Quitting drinking is a sign of repentance and a desire to reform your life, but it is not being born again.
>>73455505
I tell you right now, if i die, i will go to heaven, can you tell me the same thing?
>>73456152
That would be the sin of presumption according to Catholic doctrine.
>>73455627
I don't want to pretend anything, I'm just trying to reconcile my views with a faith that doesn't sound like some kind of hippy nonsense.
>>73456152
I could say it but it may or may not be right. Same for you.
>>73456152
the sheer arrogance...have you no shame? who are you to begin to know God's will?
>>73454445
>Claims he is ex-catholic
>Claims he hates " this faggot religion"
>Complains people don't follow the Traditions of the Church and even said "you don't go to confession, you don't adore the blessed sacrament, you don't do shit except play pretend on the internet"
>you don't adore the blessed sacrament
>It still takes up a majority of his thoughts and time
Wew
In your heart you still believe. Even if your words say otherwise
>>73456281
No your wrong, once you are given eternal life, you can never perish, John 10: 28,Romans 8:29
Once the times of De Maistre, Bonald, Donoso Cortés, and the Syllabus were past, Catholicism has been characterized by political maneuvering. … Naturally the Church’s sympathies had to gravitate toward a democratic-liberal political system. Moreover, Catholicism has for some time espoused the theory of so-called ‘natural right,’ which is difficult to reconcile with the positive and differentiated right, which is the foundation of a strong and hierarchical state. … Militant Catholics like Maritain have taken up Bergson’s formulation that ‘democracy is essentially evangelical’ and tried to show that the democratic impulse in history appears as a secular manifestation of the authentic Christian and Catholic spirit. …Today the categorical condemnations of modernism and progressivism are long gone. … When we see today’s Catholics reject the ‘medieval residues’ of their tradition; when Vatican II and its implementations import destructive forms of ‘bringing things up to date’; when popes point to the United Nations (that ridiculous organization, half-breed and bastard) as prefiguring a future Christian world order—there can be no doubt in which direction the Church is being dragged. That it is capable of providing any sort of support for a revolutionary-conservative and traditionalist movement must be resolutely denied.
>>73456314
his word, you should look at it some time.
>>73456562
Yes, and you still don't know if you have that gift
>>73448262
Can anyone tell me simply why I should go to church as opposed to practicing a different religion or not practicing any at all?
>>73456651
Or maybe you should humble yourself rather that taking gibes at others for their humility. You, too, fall short of the glory of the Father.
>>73456706
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Ephesians 2:8-10
John3:16
>>73456875
Galations 1:6-10
With the utmost respect,
>>73456797
Going to mass without faith and without the hope of faith is a pointless endeavour. Either you must attend mass with the sincere desire for faith, or you must come to faith outside of Church before going to mass. No one can carry you on this pilgrimage. It is between you and God alone.
>>73456900
>>73457014
Nothing in those verses contradicts what I said or Church doctrine on salvation whatsoever.
>>73456651
yes tell me more how your personal views trump 2000 years of Catholic doctrines explained an elaborated on by thousands of theologians.
you can't get a free pass by just sitting and believing while not lifting a finger while the world burns around you. It's just logically wrong and you know it, and if religion doesn't generally make sense then it's pointless. This is most likely not what Jesus, who made many great acts of charity, would want.
>>73456900
From Matthew Chapter 7:
Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.
Also I hope you're not serious about using carefully-selected verses devoid of context as arguments.
>>73457025
Well I think I have that, a desire for faith. I'm just not sure if I'm looking for anything at all. A lot has happened in the past year and I've been trying to focus on growing as a man in every way that I can. Perhaps I'm just being lazy about going and seeing for myself.
>>73457208
>It's just logically wrong and you know it
It also essentially flushes the beatitudes down the toilet. Protestants seem to forget that Christ also came to teach. Why would he do that, if sola fide is correct?
>>73448489
Knights Templar reporting.
When do we start crusading?
Went to confession yesterday, mass today, I'm ready to go.
>>73457125
The sinner on the cross, proves my point, read it, he was saved by Grace through his faith in christ.
>>73457140
Is baptism necessary for salvation in your church, what about confession.
>>73457293
Then to answer your first question: for what purpose were we made? We were made to know, love, and serve God. This is above all the reason to go to mass. Through mass, and specifically the Holy Eucharist, we fulfill this in the most intimate we that the Lord has made available to us. The reception of the literal Body and Blood of Christ Jesus brings us into union with Him, gives us the sanctifying grace necessary for salvation, and opens our hearts to further sanctifying grace through the other sacraments.
If you are not baptised you will not be able to do this, but there is no rush as yet. I mean, this is perhaps the most urgent concern of any man's life, but there is no sin in taking it slow. Just attend a mass and see what it's like to begin with. If you are interested in joining the faith and beginning this pilgrimage properly, the next step is to speak with the RCIA coordinator (assuming you're not a lapsed Catholic who has already been baptised, confirmed, and has received First Communion).
I'm actually a sponsor for a person who wanted to be baptised (and was, this past Easter), so if you have any questions feel free to ask.
>>73457208
Men are corrupt, Faith is what saves you, but because of your faith you will do good works through christ. Read your bible,
>>73457704
Baptism is necessary, yes. This is not only a formal acceptance of Christ Jesus, the doctrines of His Church, and our renunciation of Satan and his works, but it is also the sacrament through which the stain of Original Sin is cleansed from our souls and the first time we receive sanctifying grace.
Confession is necessary if you have sinned, which is virtually everyone on the planet. No, we do not confess our sins to a priest. We confess our sins to Jesus Christ and the priest is acting In Persona Christi. Christ is really present in this sacrament as He is in all sacraments. The priests have the authority to absolve us of our sins - both venial and mortal - because Christ Himself conferred that authority upon the Apostles, who then subsequently conferred that authority upon their successors.
>>73457221
Once someone is saved, the are sanctified in christ, and will do good works, its an internal thing
>>73457629
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
>If they shall fall away
"Once saved always saved" is heretical doctrine and you would do well to distance yourself from it.
t. Orthodox
>>73458212
Read the first part
>>73457629
No it doesn't. Huge difference between buddy there being seconds away from death unable to escape his fate, and us free abled bodied gentlemen who are currently using our time to browse on a south western Vietnamese fly fishing forum.
>>73457861
Men like the apostles and their disciples too, who we derive our beliefs from who got theirs from Jesus? Again you completely err on logic. Anyways, aren't you a man? you're claiming the same thing as we are, except we have all the past and traditions to back us up.
you forgot the part about works before. Does that mean that if someone believes, and they don't act on it, then that their belief isn't real?
>>73458300
Try reading comprehension
>>73458180
Yes, and you can lose that grace by consistently and intentionally acting contrary to the moral law. Eternal salvation does not mean salvation is eternal. You can gain and lose it through sin while you live. If this wasn't the case, then mankind would have no actual agency. We wouldn't have the free will to accept or reject God after baptism, and because our God is a loving God who never forces Himself upon us, but allows us to come to Him as a child comes to his father, He does not operate in this way.
>TFW Orthodox
someone post the 8 hour documentary from keith thompson debunking catholicism's shitty memes about justification, apostolic sucession, papal infallibility, and their other manmade doctriens
>>73458212
If they fell away, they were never saved to begin with, hence the renew them unto repentance, here is another verse on this
1 John 2:19King James Version (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us
here is a whole chapter Romans 8
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=KJV
it should help you out.
>>73450057
Here is an image of the kingdom of heaven; there was a king who resolved to enter into a reckoning with his servants,and had scarcely begun the reckoning, when one was brought before him who was ten thousand talents in his debt.He had no means of making payment; whereupon his master gave orders that he should be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and so the debt should be paid.With that the servant fell at his feet and said, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee in full.And his master, moved with pity for him, let the servant go and discharged him of his debt.So the servant went out, and met with a fellow servant of his, who owed him a hundred pieces of silver; whereupon he caught hold of him and took him by the throat, and said, Pay me all thou owest me.His fellow servant went down on his knees in entreaty; Have patience with me, he said, and I will pay thee in full.But the other refused; he went away and committed him to prison for such time as the debt was unpaid.The rest of the servants were full of indignation when they saw this done, and went in to tell their master what had happened.And so he was summoned by his master, who said to him, I remitted all that debt of thine, thou wicked servant, at thy entreaty;was it not thy duty to have mercy on thy fellow servant, as I had mercy on thee?And his master, in anger, gave him over to be tortured until the debt was paid.It is thus that my heavenly Father will deal with you, if brother does not forgive brother with all his heart.
>>73454445
>i'm an ex-catholic
So you got the pedo priest dick up your ass , and now you are mad about it
>>73458308
Galatians 1:6-10 is very clear about your traditions, if they disagree with the gospel Paul taught, let them be accursed.
Not trying to be rude, but i really care about your soul.
>>73458857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bVEXZ38Vs8
nvm here it is
>>73458418
So if some one is born again, and they lose their salvation, do they need to be born again again
>>73454445
I went a while ago.
>>73456152
every man gets judged if you already think you are going to heaven you are probably not
>>73459091
You're really obnoxious you know, and I'm like 90% sure you're trolling
>>73458929
>If they fell away, they were never saved to begin with
So you think you are more of an authority on this than St. Paul? Sola scriptura, not even once. St. John was talking about antichrists in that verse btw. Stop spreading heresy.
>>73448262
saint longinus
killed jesus
>>73448262
How do you feel about your Pope?
>>73459198
No, they need to go to Confession to be absolved of their sins, assuming they are sincere in their repentence. You cannot be baptised more than once.
>>73459227
I was born again when i was 19, jesus said that he would give me eternal life, and i would never parish, nor would anyone snatch me from his hand John 10:28
>>73459370
I hate the fact non Catholics like him better than I do.
>>73448262
[cool]
>>73459228
No im not, i really do care, Romans 10:9, Repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
You would belong to the ordern of the Knights Templar
DEUS VULT
>>73456562
>John 10: 28
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
>My sheep hear my voice
sheeps can get lost
>>73448262
Why cant the atheists on /pol understand?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQdc0mX1_c
>>73448262
>>science and the churches part in it
The church pays very close attention to science. The church guides us in our pursuit of science so we are ethical and can put science to work doing the most good.
>>marriage in the 21st century
The church has a very traditional view on a marriage. One man one woman it is very unlikely that this will change. But the church welcomes all people into its arms to benefit from the word and the love of God even if they love a non traditional lifestyle. They are welcome.
>>refugee crisis of europe
We should especially hear the holy fathers example with regard to the crisis. Remembering the words from Exodus, "There must be no harrying or oppression of the aliens that dwell among you; time was when you too dwelt as aliens in the land of Egypt."
>>73459091
so do i, but right now i'm preoccupied with your mind, first of all because it's probably reading from a version created at the will of a mass murdering homosexual king, and second because you're quoting verses of completely different contexts and thinking it applies to everything else. I think you're either brainwashed, trolling, or unintelligent to not realize the absurdity of your response, and i don't mean to be rude either.
>>73459377
Baptism is not what being born again means, but a symbol of being buried and resurrecting with Christ, a covenant sign like circumcision was for the Jews, confession is a work, and therefore not necessary for salvation,
Ephesians 2:8-10
>>73448262
AVE MARIA
>>73459404
>>73459609
Do you really belief you are saved When in 10 years you become a evil son of a bitch you murder a few people, still saved?
>>73459609
Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Good to see this thread still going.
>>73448968
This
>>73459912
in technicality yes, but in actuality probably not, God is the one who saves you, not yourself, so after he saves you, you are sanctified, so that you grow to hate sin, and will not willfully sin, i still sin, but i don't willfully sin anymore. so if that person claimed he was saved and wilfully murderd people, he probably was never saved to begin with. salvation is done by God
Romans 8
Ephesians 1
>>73459796
>confession is a work, and therefore not necessary for salvation,
Why don't protestants follow the bible?
James 5:16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
>>73460294
Healed not saved
>>73460279
If sin isn't wilful, is it still sin?
Love the mental gymnastics you have to go through to endorse this pleb-tier proddie stuff
>>73454445
Apostates burn.
>>73460378
You can understand lust and pride are alot less willful than killing or stealing. a lot of people say they are Christians, but they are not saved.
I think it's perfectly reasonable that some kind of diety or advanced being created our universe, I just don't believe it myself.
>>73460335
It still says you should do it dummy. Stop playing cafeteria Christianity.
>>73459897
forgot to mention:
Favorite Bible verse: "If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
Luke 22-36 http://biblehub.com/luke/22-36.htm
Obviously contradicts Jesus's words of "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword" ... or does it?
Favorite Saints: Saint John the Apostle, Saint Anthony, Saint Gabriel Possenti (patron saint of firearms).
Favorite Angel: Michael the Archangel
>>73460378
No, unwillingful sin is still sin. The tenth commandment is "Thou shalt not covet" which is not a willful act. Therefore, we must suppress even the subconscious in the name of Christ.
>>73460624
Christ said both those lines. Jesus is advocating self-defense in the first one, but cautioning against violence when not necessary in the second. Let every man defend himself from others, with violence as needed, but let him not also live only for violence.
>>73459796
Baptism is precisely what being born again means.
>[1] What shall we say, then? shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
>[2] God forbid. For we that are dead to sin, how shall we live any longer therein?
>[3] Know you not that all we, who are baptized in Christ Jesus, are baptized in his death?
>[4] For we are buried together with him by baptism into death; that as Christ is risen from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also may walk in newness of life.
>[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.
Rom 6:1-5
There is no mention whatever of this being symbolic just as Christ's baptism in the Jordan was not symbolic. As with our Lord's baptism, the Holy Spirit begins His work in our hearts in the form of sanctifying grace immediately upon baptism. It is not a "sign" in so far as it is a beginning and an end in itself. It is, rather, a sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ which communicates grace ex opere operato.
On Confession:
>[21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.
>[22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
>[23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
Jn 20:21-23
Only Protestants have trouble understanding what this means. Both the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches - those who can claim Apostolic Succession - practice the sacrament of confession because the authority to absolve sins was conferred by Christ upon his Apostles, and this was then conferred upon their successors and handed down through the ages to the present clergy. Now, if you wish to argue that the Apostles were wrong in having done this then, logically, you must argue that the Holy Spirit was not guiding them, as this was done after Pentecost. (1/2)
>>73460624
Also there is a distinct lack of Knights Hospitaller in this thread. Did the website's quiz not include them?
>>73460378
http://www.allaboutgod.com/once-saved-always-saved.htm
https://carm.org/what-is-once-saved-always-saved
heres some links on perseverance of the saints
>>73459796
>>73460780
The necessity for this sacrament is contingent upon the existence of sin. I would argue that quite literally every living adult on the planet has sinned, and therefore confession is necessary for salvation. You apparently believe that you are without sin and that you salvation is guaranteed (which is itself a sin).
It's 12 AM here so I'm going to bed now. Pax vobis.
>>73460757
That makes sense. God, I remember being a closet atheist during my middle school/early high school years. That was when I first discovered reddit. Then I found 4chan, and ironically enough I returned to being Catholic AND right-wing.
Life's weird.
>>73460618
I agree you should do it, but it is not what saves you, i believe if a member of a church confesses and seeks guidence from another, thats fine.
>>73460790
Once Saved Always Saved is the autism of theology
>>73448262
The biggest heretic is sitting on the Papal throne
>>73460780
https://carm.org/is-baptism-necessary-salvation
on baptism
>>73460781
I got the Knights Templar.
>You belong to them because of your strength and great desire of conquest. You are willing to risk your own life for others and for your Faith.
Deus Vult, brothers.
>>73460780
That would contradict Ephesians 2:8-10
Best music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwhkBAeheM
>>73460829
I am a sinner, but Christ saved me from my sins
>>73460984
We need a one last great crusade to purge all the vermin from the Earth so that only the Catholic remains.
>>73460984
>responding to hate with love is heresy
Don't give in to anger and vengeance, Anon. Just pray.
>>73448262
Dominican...which is disturbing because a friend of mine is a third order Dominican...and he knows Snoop.
There's one in Jeremiah about someone with crushed balls not entering the house of the Lord.
St. Lawrence, because he gave 0 fucks. He loved the Lord regardless.
St. Peter. Rocky. The Big Fisherman. He wussed, but he got better. Huge thrill seeing his chains and his tomb.
DEUS VULT!
Servant of God Bishop Fulton J. Sheen's B&W TV work was better.
>>73460977
I would agree Calvin had some autism, but his doctrine is so consistent with scripture
>>73448262
I like catholocism, but modern catholics has been bastardized from its true roots. I went to catholic mass, and all I found out was that they worship their own egos more than they do god. I didn't feel god in the church, I hardly felt god in the priests, none in one of them. I love orthodox catholicism, and I would say that is the denomination I would follow. I want to be a saint, and to bring about greatness and kindess.
>>73461221
>what is just war doctrine
Enemies that cannot be reasoned with should be purged. If they wish to live in peace, that's one thing. If they persecute the followers of Christ, that is another and must be dealt with as such.
Christian extremists
>>73461464
Extremism is inseparable from faith. If you are not a fanatical follower of Christ, you are not a follower of Christ.
>>73450057
Nice.
Pope St. Pius X is my favorite Pontiff
and one of my Patrons. He saw the end
of an era and the beginning of the end.
""When all this is considered there is good reason to fear lest this great perversity may be as it were a foretaste, and perhaps the beginning of those evils which are reserved for the last days; and that there may be already in the world the "Son of Perdition" of whom the Apostle speaks (II. Thess. ii., 3). Such, in truth, is the audacity and the wrath employed everywhere in persecuting religion, in combating the dogmas of the faith, in brazen effort to uproot and destroy all relations between man and the Divinity! While, on the other hand, and this according to the same apostle is the distinguishing mark of Antichrist, man has with infinite temerity put himself in the place of God, raising himself above all that is called God; in such wise that although he cannot utterly extinguish in himself all knowledge of God, he has contemned God's majesty and, as it were, made of the universe a temple wherein he himself is to be adored. "He sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself as if he were God" (II. Thess. ii., 2)." --
>E Supremi Oct. 4 1903
>>73457371
https://youtu.be/GcDybf5dmSk
>>73452148
Of course bro
the prodigal son is a classic
Does Christ say we should be nice to animals?
Deus Vult, bros
How is that pronounced, anyway?
>>73460891
>Then I found 4chan
saved by 4 chan the most degenerate site on the internet
>>73461417
You underestimate the power of God. Christians in the time of the first and second century didn't need war to win against persecution though I still definitely agree with destroying specifically ISIS.
>>73461737
Like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r7eNvrTQJM
>>73461814
Jesus probably would have been shitposting on 4chan if it was around at the time
>>73461814
God works in mysterious ways, I guess?
This thread plays like an isis recruiting video
>>73461737
day-oos volt
>>73448692
This one. Christcucks where they belong.
>>73448262
>Catholic General
>>73462191
You're always welcome to rejoin the church, Russia.
>>73448262
Rev. Fr. Coughlin is based af
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXKeiTTN7Wc
>>73462048
>current liberal pope
>blatantly forgetting about amazing popes such as Urban II and John Paul II
Your bait is worthless, but you are not. You can still be saved.
>>73462326
E. Michael Jones is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojx8-oNGnMU
>>73462305
There will be no reunification of the Church
and no progressive ascendency. All Christians
will be persecuted and follow the Master in His
Passion and death. His is the victory over the final
unleashing of evil upon the world. Then there will
be perfection only after eschatological judgement
and the Resurrection of the dead.
>>73454632
This is one of the reasons that turned me away from my church. I went to Catholic school, the Monsignor spoke and prayed in Latin, the mysticism and ritual was on point, etc.
I went back for Easter Mass, the new priest (old Monsignor Merman is too old now) doesn't speak Latin, has a weak voice so he doesn't chant out sing, and the whole mass feels like less care is taken into it.
>>73462944
Catholicism teaches a false doctrine of works, you must be born again
https://carm.org/what-does-born-again-christian-mean
http://www.allaboutgod.com/how-to-be-saved.htm
>>73463177
>mysticism
>being a filthy Protestant
Choose one and only one you shitty televangelist
>>73463539
Did you look at the links,
>>73448262
"He who kneels..." at all will be ever expected to kneel before anyone that demands it. Once you start kneeling, you showed your colours.
>>73463617
Born again Christianity is a form of pentecostal hoo-ha designed to sell self help books and enable Midwestern evangelicals.
>>73448262
sheep cowards!
>>73448262
Knights Templar reporting
>>73463795
No its backed by scripture
Romans 10:9
Romans 10:13
John 3:16
>>73462042
In Latin the "v" is pronounced "wha"
So it would be "day-us wolt"
>>73462914
>what is the consecration of Russia
>>73463795
Teaching that once your born again your saved forever is also a terrible way to sell books. id rather have a you must buy my book to be saved doctrine if that was the case.
>>73463177
And prods teach that divorce should be taken lightly and there are more pedos in the Catholic Church than Evangelicals
both are wrong of course
>>73464065
Satanist scum
>>73464413
It's really not, "do x to be saved" is just as shitty as any other quick fix and was designed to allow evangelists to sell how-to books to lost sheep.
There is no quick fix to salvation.
>>73464459
They are wrong then, because i think that divorce should be restricted, if you divorce and it wasnt infidelity, than i believe spiritually, they are still one flesh.
>>73464598
God is the one that saves you, you were chosen before the foundations of the earth
Ep 1
So your halfway right
>>73464664
In the end Mathew 16: 18 will confirm the place of the Catholic church
I want the Christians of the world to join and blanda up, but the only other sect is Orthodox
And now Evangelism has taken the Picasso "relative beauty" teaching to heart
and what I mean by that is, as long as they can some how justify it in there heads, and some how interpret scripture in a way to fit there native, it seems that Evangelicals can and have interpreted scripture in any way they please
Hell, they even went as far as to remove 6 books
This really kills any faith that one of the Evangelical churches are genuine in my book
While the teachings of the church hasn't always been exactly the same, we are allot closer to the road we're supposed to be on that most other churches, same with Orthodox
And I'd like Orthodox allot more if they weren't so eager to support war
Politically I think they are based, but religiously I don't think they should endorse violence so much
In the end, no I don't like my pope, especially the way he seems to be so welcoming to people who'd rather destroy the church than join it
I also wouldn't doubt that these are end times either
>>73465333
Those books were added by the church in the middle ages
>>73448809
Self-important athiest man-child thinks his opinion means anything. KEK
>>73465753
>>73453641
Self-important atheist man-child thinks his opinions means anything. KEK
Oh hey.
So, I'm thinking of becoming Catholic.
I'm trying to study the Vatican II and figure out what was changed, can anyone help?
>>73465333
use scripture, read it, repent and put your trust in Jesus, not your church.
>>73465610
The Bible was only starting to print in mass quantities way after the dark ages bro
The bible itself was a very loose collection of books at the time
There were many times were apostles would have to come out of tone to correct teachings from false teachers
This was before the reformation too