He's in double digits in national polls vs Hillary and Trump. Probably the best chance a genuine Libertarian has of getting serious coverage any time soon.
>>73404577
Make America Somalia Again!
>falling for the libertarian meme
W E W
>>73404621
>Look guys I said it again. Look guys I don't know what libertarianism actually is.
>>73404577
>He's in double digits in national polls vs Hillary and Trump
HA HA HA HA HAAAAA! Hillary wins! Take it in the rump Trump!
>>73404577
Austin Petersen is ON THE RISE among Libertarians, while Johnsin is falling rapidly.
We NEED Austin Petersen! He is the only principled, conservative Libertarian. WE NEED HIM.
>>73404577
>Johnson
>genuine Libertarian
>>73404577
The only coverge he will have is if the establishment has studies showing he steal votes for Trump.
>>73404709
>Look guys I don't know what libertarianism actually is.
>open your borders wide for every third world unskilled, illiterate piece of shit who wants to come
>HURR WE WON'T BE A SHITHOLE AFTER THAT DURR
Libertarians - we have the IQ of chimpanzees and the foresight of dead sea urchins.
American Libertarians are such fucking classcucks. Only good libertarianism is Libertarian Socialism.
>>73405133
Only subhumans like yourself can't be trusted with libertarianism.
>>73404577
Lol that's now how third party works you dumbass.
He would have to secure delegates, which he is already too late with.
>mitt Romney kill yourself.
Go Gary Trumpkins are literally shitting bricks over Johnson's rise
>>73405133
>open your borders wide for every third world unskilled, illiterate piece of shit who wants to come
Autism the post.
I believe in national borders and immigration but I believe in the destruction of the Welfare state, as well as integration/assimilation or deportation. I also believe in American companies keeping their manufacturing jobs in the US to stimulate job growth I won't force it but I would make incentives (like taxes) for it.
Don't be a retard when you think libertarianism is anarchism and you get called out on it
>>73405169
>lol using a system of state violence and calling it libetertarian
Show me one country which amassed vast riches under libertardianism. Protip: there is none.
>>73404577
>double digits
confirmed
>>73405674
This. Libertarian socialism is retardation and oxymoronic
>>73405740
Switzerland is probably the closest.
>>73405831
1 country in the whole world hahaha, quality system.
>Waste your vote on Gary! Do it for her!
Yeah no
>>73404577
Actually all three on stage debating would be one of the best things I have ever seen
>>73405740
Dumb liberniggers will unironically tell you America accumulated their wealth because they were libertarian before WW I.
>>73405256
Pic related - your libertarian future. Enjoy anal rape, filthy shitskin.
>>73405587
This might hurt Hillary more though. Democrats care about social policy most of all, and libertarians are progressives. Most hillbots are only voting for her to keep Trump out, and bernbots still have nobody to fall back on.
>>73405674
>>73405777
>I have no idea what liberterian socialism is and I must post
Liberterian socialism is a small government with mandates for workers to own the businesses they work.
>>73405831
>>73405921
Read Rousseau
>>73404621
http://governmentdeniesknowledge.com/anarchist-somalia/
>>73405921
You said show me one country and I did, moron.
>>73405995
>Waste your vote
This is an old meme
>>73404577
>not Austin Petersen
Johnson is a nutjob who will blown the LP's chances this election.
>>73405133
There is nothing libertarian about open borders.
>>73406120
And they beat up and kill anyone they feel isn't appropriately using resources for the collective. Yeah, it's really libertarian let me tell you. People vote for resources, anyone can walk into anyone else's factory and tell them to give them a take, which basically leads to goon squads killing people for politics.
Yeah, your system sounds great. LibSoc is for cowards too scared to go full socialist.
>>73406120
>mandates for workers to own the businesses they work
That right there is fucked up. It sounds good in theory so that companies don't fuck over the people but it is as retarded as regular socialism's bullshit to for a welfare state thinking no one will take advantage of it or that the fluctuating economy won't fuck it all up.
It's blind idealism with very little thought put into it.
>Rousseau
I will because I am not a close minded fascist like the rest of /pol/
Trump: 'Taxes for the rich will go up somewhat'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/donald-trump-taxes-wealthy/
It's happening.
This is what happens when you don't focus on principles. We need a 3rd party now or this country is fucking gone.
>>73406352
Right, an ideology that wants to abolish or minimalize the state, the entity in charge of enforcing borders, has nothing to do with open borders.
>>73404577
He's gonna get coverage because he has no chances of winning and the media wants him to eat up support for Trump.
>>73404577
Too bad he looks like a math teacher.
>>73406120
>libertarian
>small govt
>mandates to control free markets
Nice try socialistfag
>>73406611
America has a choice between tax & spending reform, or building a wall.
America is choosing to build a wall, because without a wall those other two mean nothing.
>>73406611
Wow a candidate that's actually honest about how congress actually has to vote on policies and Trump admits he's not going to get everything he wants. It's so scandalous. How dare Trump not just lie about his policies all the way through.
>>73404577
>FEEL THE JOHNSON
Johnson literally means dick
>>73406341
On what policies do Johnson and Petersen differ?
>>73406426
>And they beat up and kill anyone they feel isn't appropriately using resources for the collective. Yeah, it's really libertarian let me tell you. People vote for resources, anyone can walk into anyone else's factory and tell them to give them a take, which basically leads to goon squads killing people for politics.
>I'm just going to make shit up
I never said anything about voting for resources, collectivization, or public use of a firm's assets. Perhaps voting would be appropriate for a municipal based system.
>>73406519
>It sounds good in theory so that companies don't fuck over the people but it is as retarded as regular socialism's bullshit to for a welfare state thinking no one will take advantage of it or that the fluctuating economy won't fuck it all up.
Private owners already take advantage of the current system.
I mention Rousseau because he advocates for Switzerland's system, or something close to it, and he makes a very compelling argument. Right now, a similar system combined with socialism is being implemented in rojava.
>>73406758
>>mandates to control free markets
The mandate is a change in property laws, not the market.
>>73407121
Then you clearly don't fucking understand what you're advocating.
>>73406619
Libertarianism is based on property rights. In anarcho-capitalism, when there is no state you arent obliged to let anybody on your property and you can defend that right with arms (and call PDA if needed). In minarchism situation is more complicated cause small government is not a precise term and different people want state to perform different functions, so some libertarians are pro open borders and some are against, but there is nothing inherently libertarian about open borders. But I'm an ancap and if state still exist I'm definitely against letting in nonwhites.
>>73407233
I'm advocating market socialism. If this is happening in the context of a small government, as worker ownership would decrease the need for welfare and other things, I think its accurate to say its libertarian socialism.
>>73407121
>Private owners already take advantage of the current system.
I know but giving the companies to the workers isn't the answer.
I'll definitely check it out then, as I am interested in Switzerland's system
>>73407032
I think thats the point of this joke.
>>73406619
Also, this >>73406224
>>73407422
>I know but giving the companies to the workers isn't the answer.
A perfect system is impossible, but a market socialist system would be better for growth, stability, and the overall well being of the workers.
>>73404577
Yes feel the Johnson 2016
Cipher some votes to keep status quo i guess.
4-8 more years of Obama sounds great!
>>73404732
Double digits can mean anything. He probably has 10 %
Good goys, no one is illegal, smoke this medicine; heh heh.
>>73407422
Also, if you are going to check out Rousseau, specifically check out "The Social Contract" and "Discourse on Inequality"
>>73407406
Libertarian means for liberty, and socialism means take away peoples property and give to 'community' (whatever the fuck that may mean). Taking away property is not libertarian
>>73407406
Market socialism requires a large government you dumbass. Forced worker ownership is one of the worst conceived ideas ever. Ultimately it will be "worker ownership" in name only, it will all be owned and ran by the government that is required to support such a fucking retarded system. You know, because you need goons to beat up the greedy capitalists who will insist in being adequately compensated for their time and effort especially since most people are leeches.
>>73406879
>>73406921
Wow. Have to say, I"m not surprised considering you Trump supporters believe in nothing. You'll go along with whatever he says.
Now the trojan horse is here and you're a part of it.
Amazing how easily the unintelligent are brainwashed.
>>73405632
>I believe in national borders and immigration
Johnson doesn't.
>>73407844
Read this>>73407400
>>73404577
This faggot is nothing more than an open-borders SJW. All Libertarians will be voting for Trump. This faggot is irrelevant.
>>73405921
>asks for one country
>given one country as an example
>"Wow man, one country? So bad XD?"
The b8 was pretty good, very difficult to resist.
>>73407900
fuck him, then
>>73407678
Your fucking economy will run like group projects in school. If you think group projects are a great way to do things you're fucking retarded. 2 of the 5 people do 80% of the work. 2 of the 5 people, do 15% of the work. 1 person might do 5% of the work. Then they all share the fucking grade. Yeah that sounds like a *great* way to foster growth, innovation and worker satisfaction.
>>73407678
Isn't there a way to split the ownership between the actual owners and the workers.
Unions already have a good amount of control so with that and a split ownership things would be in the workers favor without screwing up the founder/owners livelihood and/or business.
>>73407848
Looking up prices and stock at book stores and libraries now
>>73407897
>I prefer my candidate to lie all the way through until presidency
>and then do nothing he ran on
>Trump should just lie the whole time and not tell the truth when asked
You people are sick in the head.
>>73407900
Open borders only work when the two countries have similar economies and similar values.
America-Canada is fine
America-Mexico is cancer
>>73407886
This is some meme teir ideology right here. Try reading a book faggot.
Private property that is not personal property only exists to decrease freedom and impose the will of others onto us. What we are doing is not "taking away property" but redefining it so it more accurately reflects reality. Keep in mind, property only exists as you think it does because governments said it so.
>>73407900
Absolutely haram. What about Peterson(en)
>>73406611
Russian inscription: Trootp Putin
lel
>>73406049
Dems want to FORCE progrssivism. Libertarians just don't give a shit what you do at home.
And if the bern victims were smart they would be all over the green party not the libertarians. I think the greens are running some kike woman this year and despite her being a kike and a woman she isn't bad for a green. She's better than old jewish seatbelts guy and the indian (feather not dot) criminal
>>73408219
>Isn't there a way to split the ownership between the actual owners and the workers.
Yeah it's called free will, business models and negotiation.
I love how you people love the idea of killing people over how they set up their businesses.
>>73408047
why do you care about your enemy Ivan ?
>>73407896
>literally what are co-ops
>>73408097
Look up Mondragon Corporation and then get back to me.
>>73408219
>Isn't there a way to split the ownership between the actual owners and the workers.
>actual owners
You should try to make the workers the actual owners. Anything else is creating a parasitic class.
Unions create inefficiencies, when workers control the enterprise they will have to balance their wages short term vs long term, which is more efficient than pitting unions against owners and probably produce better results.
>>73408394
Violent Revolution is for edgelords, I'll only kill if you're intending to kill me or my own first.
>>73408219
Here, for free.
http://www.constitution.org/jjr/socon.htm
http://www.constitution.org/jjr/ineq.htm
>>73408280
>This is some meme teir ideology right here. >Try reading a book faggot.
Not an argument
>Private property that is not personal property only exists to decrease freedom and impose the will of others onto us.
You know why PP exists? Because enormous amount of people have limitless amount of wishes, and to fullfill these wishes they wont to use limited amount of rsources. Interests of all these people come into conflict.To decide who can and who cannot use a resource to fullfill their wishes there is a wonderful mechanism: private property.
>What we are doing is not "taking away property" but redefining it so it more accurately reflects reality.
What reality?
>Keep in mind, property only exists as you think it does because governments said it so.
PP exists without government. Look up Somalia
>>73408803
You're a fucking retard who believes in an oxymoron philosophy. LibSoc has been refuted so many times that the only people who believe in are mentally retarded autists.
The dfiference between co-ops and LibSoc is co-ops are voluntary business agreements and LibSoc literally runs like school group projects where instead of getting an F for not participating you get killed.
Thanks for playing.
>>73407083
Namely abortion and taxes, AP wants to have a much smaller flat tax
>>73408468
You mean Americans? Well, first I care for the white race. Second, I think its not people who are enemies, but politicians, who provoke and brainwash people to fight and hate eachother. A common russian, a common american and a common algerian dont have anything to fight. But I still dont want you to immigrate to my country:)
>>73409021
>Not an argument
>literally post argument right after
>You know why PP exists? Because enormous amount of people have limitless amount of wishes, and to fullfill these wishes they wont to use limited amount of rsources. Interests of all these people come into conflict.To decide who can and who cannot use a resource to fullfill their wishes there is a wonderful mechanism: private property.
>what is personal property
There's a difference between personal property and private property. Why do we allow people to own things specifically to be used by others for a profit?
>What reality?
To make private property based on personal property.
>PP exists without government. Look up Somalia
>Can only own whatever I can physically defend
>Have to become bitch to warlords
lolberterian dreamland everyone
>>73405740
America was pretty much libertsrian until the 1930s
>>73409392
>The dfiference between co-ops and LibSoc is co-ops are voluntary business agreements and LibSoc literally runs like school group projects where instead of getting an F for not participating you get killed.
...They'd still be voluntary. They'd just become the new dominant mode of production. If you don't like them you can just become self employed or try working for the government or a non-profit. the only difference is that capitalist businesses would be outlawed in the same way ponzi schemes are outlawed.
>>73409738
>lolberterian literally admits his ideal system caused the great depression
>>73409560
>There's a difference between personal property and private property. Why do we allow people to own things specifically to be used by others for a profit?
Why not?
>>What reality?
>To make private property based on personal property.
Its not reality, its socialist fantasy
>Can only own whatever I can physically defend. Have to become bitch to warlords
You have to pay for defence, either involuntary thru taxes for shitty defence that has no motivation to get better cuz its a monopoly and where if you kill the attacker you'll wind in prison, or for a voluntary one which faces market competition and has a motivation to improve. You can also create clans for mutual defence and help like in Somalia. Choose
>>73404709
>Make America Victorian England but without all the Good Parts of Victorian England Again!
Does that work?
>>73407199
If i cant tell someone hi I will pay you a wage of x to do stuff for me if you agree. However I will always maintain ownership of my company. Then you sre interferring in the free market.
>>73404577
Who the fuck is this asshole? This site is truly a fucking cancer. Nothing but paid Soros shills and kikes.
>>73409978
You are dumb. Read up on the prior market crashes in america beforecthe great depression. The GD was caused and exacerbated by excesdive government involvement.
>>73410176
>Why not?
Because it causes inequality and thus slower growth and instability. Not to mention its an affront to human freedom.
>Its not reality, its socialist fantasy
>There is no difference between a rent apartment and an owned apartment
>there's no difference between a capitalist owning the property you work with and yourself owning the property you work with
>because I say so!
>You have to pay for defence, either involuntary thru taxes for shitty defence that has no motivation to get better cuz its a monopoly and where if you kill the attacker you'll wind in prison, or for a voluntary one which faces market competition and has a motivation to improve. You can also create clans for mutual defence and help like in Somalia. Choose
>I can either choose between being dominated by an institution I can partly control through formal means
>or be dominated by a private will that doesn't give a shit what I think or want
Gee I wonder what I'm gonna do!
Also, if you think warlords are just going to let you leave their "protection" you are an even bigger dumbass than I thought.
>>73410334
>If i cant tell someone hi I will pay you a wage of x to do stuff for me if you agree. However I will always maintain ownership of my company. Then you sre interferring in the free market.
No I'm not. You can still get people to do whatever you want for a price, but now, since they own the right to the fruit of their labor, they can put the product they produced up on the market and you have to compete with everyone else to buy it. If you own a company, it is only because you work there, so we're not interfering, we're just redefining.
>>73404577
>double digits in national polls
It was 9% favorable, 80% didn't know who he was.
Stop promoting someone who is pro-gun control and supports forcing businesses to serve gays etc. We need to support someone more conservative like Austin Petersen, he's not perfect fit to /pol/ but he's not 'weed lmao' like johnson.
>>73411070
>GD didn't have anything to with the excess of consumer in the 20's! No sir!
Give me a break.
>>73408386
Jill stein
Trump was fun for a while, but now we need to vote with someone with real conviction. I'm definitely jumping on the Gary Train.
I'm skeptical about this poll, almost nobody knows who the fuck Gary Johnson is, let alone what libertarians are
I smell unbalanced sampling
>>73406341
Yes because the libertarian Marco Rubio who relies on memes will clearly beat Johnson
>>73411907
Except he's beat him in the debates, has won the last 3 straw polls, all available polling shows him rising, and he went from no crowds to having lines of people to meet him at debates etc.
Are you in his private facebook group? People are funding all the delegates to fly down to vote for him, and it's getting extremely organized.
>>73411547
Not everyone in america is a drooling retard. I am sure atleast 15 - 20% of americans know what libertarians and probably even green party. It's just that most of them never abhorred both major candidates this much.
>>73411244
>Because it causes inequality
Whats bad about inequality? People are unequal. Some are smart, and some are dumb. Some are hard-working and some are lazy. Some are strong and some are weak. Why if theres no equality in input there should be equality of result?
>There is no difference between a rent apartment and an owned apartment
>there's no difference between a capitalist owning the property you work with and yourself owning the property you work with
There is a difference, so what?
>I can either choose between being dominated by an institution I can partly control through formal means
>an institution I can partly control through formal means
>I can partly control
Lol, are you really that naive?
>or be dominated by a private will that doesn't give a shit what I think or want
You see, the thing with private companies, is that if you dont like one you can go away. If nobody is satisfied with company's goods or services it goes out of business. Government never goes out of business no matter how bad it works.
>>73412229
Peterson didn't win the debate since all he did was spout out libertarian quotes you can find on google since McAfee won the debate
>>73406341
>Petersen
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5VuyHvaqd3w
>>73411395
Austin Peterson sounds like an autist who shouts slogans you'd find in a bumper sticker.
It's either Johnson or McAfee.
>Cuckservatives won't vote Trump because of Muhhh principles
>votes for a guy who wants to creat the North American Union and have wide open borders
-They are useful retards
>>73412280
>Whats bad about inequality?
I just said what's bad about it! It causes lower growth and instability. And if you honestly think capitalism accurately reflects inequality in strength/intelligence you need to get your head checked. In fact, I'd say capitalism would have ended a lot earlier if it did. Can you imagine how many people would be pissed off beyond belief if they actually deserved to be poor/unemployed.
>There is a difference, so what?
That difference has wider implications than you think.
>Lol, are you really that naive?
Perhaps it is difficult for me to control states as they are, but this just means I should work towards creating a state that is controlled by its people.
>You see, the thing with private companies, is that if you dont like one you can go away. If nobody is satisfied with company's goods or services it goes out of business. Government never goes out of business no matter how bad it works.
>Corporations with the power of warlords are going to let you leave them
lmao
>>73412496
Good luck getting through americas head a couple hour thought provoking discussion on the market impact of interest rate. Boy the country will just love it. We need someone who can be witty and talk in bumper stickers to appeal to more people.
MSM would eat McAfee alive, even though I think he's 10x better than johnson.
>>73404770
>Conservative Libertarian
>Not left-Libertarian
Lol nice try wanna-be, you're just some neoncon is disguise
>>73414093
>left libertarian
Lol nice try wanna-be, you're just some Marxist in disguise
>>73414056
>Implying the MSM will pay attention to the libertarians
If they did than the 2-party system would've ended a while ago
>>73414056
This. Unfortunately. I like peterson the least but he is probably best as a candidate. Johnson is old news i will gladly vote for him over trump but I don't see him energizing anyone even though I believe he would be a better leader than 35 yr old peterson.
Mcaffe is probably the smartest and the best on issues but the media would eat him alive. People would think he is a drug lord and murderer reading msm 300 word stories instead of the truth.
>>73414351
I think Austin could get some more debates going with his connections at fox. Even if he doesn't win, if McAfee or Johnson hired him as outreach and media relations it could work. Media is a buisness, if enough people are pissed off about the options there will be money to be made
>>73414220
CLASSKEK PLS GO
"If we let the corporations run free our economy will boom!"
>but if they do something bad we'll stop em guys please believe me
Lolbertarians
>>73415028
If you want to stop corporations then stop buying from them. The internet lets you research them freely.
Are you actually implying the justice department goes after corporations? The only time corporations stand justice is when they are sued by citizens. And the greatest function of the government in my mind is the courts.
LEFT LIBERTARIAN ISM IS ABSOLUTE TRASH.
>>73413858
>I just said what's bad about it! It causes lower growth and instability.
Prove it
>And if you honestly think capitalism accurately reflects inequality in strength/intelligence
Yup I do
>That difference has wider implications than you think.
Tell me about these implications
>Perhaps it is difficult for me to control states as they are, but this just means I should work towards creating a state that is controlled by its people.
Most people are stupid. Most people are naive. Most people will believe whats told. Most people arent interested in politics. Most people have no time to be interested in politics cuz normies have jobs/friends/families/parties/alcohol. If we do not decide whats right in chemistry by election, why do we do it in politics? The majority opinion is not the correct one. For example, majority of people wants drugs and prostitution to be illegal and practioners of these activities to be put in jail, altho there are no victims and these activities are voluntary. Democracy is the rule of the majority, the majority (fe normies, muslims) can easily take away the rights of a minority (fe drug users, gays). If you are a leftist you probably hate Trump. So imagine he wins. Why do you need to be governed by a man you despise? Why lump people with different wishes together under a giant monopoly of violence?
>Corporations with the power of warlords are going to let you leave them
Corporation deriving profit from buyers starts behaving assholly. Suddenly people dont wanna buy anything there. It goes outta business. Simple, innit?
>>73415813
FUCKING SPELLING SUGGESTIONS
>>73407984
> All Libertarians will be voting for Trump.
I'm a libertarian, know quite a few fellow libertarians, and none of us are even considering voting for Stumpy.
>>73404577
>Literally America's DUDE WEED candidate
OP, the debates haven't even started yet. All the people freaking out about GE polls on /pol/ are probably 16-20 years old and have never paid any attention to elections of previous years. When the nominees become obvious, angry voters from other candidates ALWAYS flock to the popular third party, and they slowly come off it when they watch the debates and realize they don't want their country fucked by the candidate they hate the most.
also libertarians want refugees and open borders, literally the opposite of what /pol/ wants
>>73415968
why do like open borders and refugees? what makes you think that's a good idea?
>>73416073
>also libertarians want refugees and open borders, literally the opposite of what /pol/ wants
I'm a libertarian and dont want any of those. Read >>73407400
>>73416043
You're meming right? Thinking individuals don't believe this do they? Just because he agrees thar marijuana prohibition is wrong do you actually believe he is anything like trudaue?? It is polar opposites. It's just that anyone with a brain realizes that marijuana prohibition is retarded.
Did you know that denatured alcohol is made from the stuff you can drink? The government litterally forces companies to add poison to it so people don't drink it then they can sell it without the tax.
Selling drugs is a huge government business
>>73416108
Not all of us do. But most understand that government is ruining everything, and we need to limit it. There is nothing wrong with allowing those who wish to come here, as long as they take a security and health check.
The scum that want to come here that /pol/ is against, just want the government programs. There would be such a change in entitlements if a libertarian was in charge It would be amazing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism
>>>73416073 (You)
Then I assume if you were American you'd vote Trump over Johnson? Johnson doesn't seem very libertarian to me, and even a lot of libertarian party members seem to think so. If we allow open borders and refugees, the left will permanently take over American politics with no recovery. It will be the end of the right wing, as whites will be outnumbered and will never be able to vote in a right wing presidential candidate again.
>>73404577
>electing Hillary
>well at least the Lolbertarians got some buzz
>>73416837
Jesus. Who is paying johnson shills?
Hay retard that id above your post is based off your ip and is per thread Don't respond to yourself.
>>73404577
>mfw
>>73415885
>Prove it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSAK5hEassg
>Yup I do
Then you're retarded.
>Tell me about these implications
1) When you use someone else's property you must submit to their will. 2) When you can own property not meant for you to use you can accumulate wealth,without having to work, indeed, you can live off the work of others.
>dat paragraph
Read Rousseau
>Corporation deriving profit from buyers starts behaving assholly. Suddenly people dont wanna buy anything there. It goes outta business. Simple, innit?
What part of corporations not allowing their customers to leave their service do you not understand? You want somali style anarchism, you get everything that goes with it, including individuals and organizations using lethal force against you for their own gain.
>>73404577
This is the last stand.
If Conservatives lose this election, they will never win another. Clinton will bring about eight years of migration and diversification that will guarantee Democratic sweeps into office for the next hundred years.
If you libertarian faggots spoil this election, you will have signed this country's death warrant.
>>73417571
>If you libertarian faggots spoil this election, you will have signed this country's death warrant.
Good job nominating bush, mccain, romney, and trump. Cause they were all a bunch of winners. Nope, it's libertarians fault.
>>73417760
Like I said - this is the last stand. The last chance.
Trump is the only one left who can bring us back from the brink. We don't get another chance after this.
If you guys pull a Ralph Nader or Ross Perot and fuck the vote - we all lose.
>>73404577
Is forcing all the Jews to make Nazi wedding cakes good or bad? I can't tell anymore at that point.
>>73418081
Then we deserve it. Hope to secede.
>>73418081
>>73417571
>trump is actually going to change anything
>clinton is actually going to change anything
lmao
>>73418202
Do you want to be forced to bake a gay cake?
>>73406341
This guy literally wants to hook everyone who's safe for entry a citizenship, voting rights, and welfare. Top cuck.
>>73418403
>welfare
>>73404577
Nice try Shillary campaign. The only reason you want him is to see Trump loss the general.
A 3rd party would be nice in the future but right now it would fuck up our only chance to MAGA
>>73418524
fuck me, 4chan is swaping images again...
>2012 CAMPAIGN: It's clear there's a lot more desire for a third party candidate from conservative voters than Obama supporters. The strongest third party hopeful beyond the 3 in double digits is Gary Johnson who gets 9%.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/romney-leads-obama.html
Remind me how Johnson did? Oh, right, 1%.
>>73404577
>FEEL THE JOHNSON
laughed way to fucking hard at this
>>73418271
This.
Trump won't change a thing and if you still believe he will you are delusional.
The only chance for America to capitalize from this election cycle is to get atleast one and hopefully two other parties over the 5% hump to recieve national funding.
>>73404577
What /pol/ does realize is that even if he only gets only 2% of the vote, that could seriously fuck trump.
>>73418212
There won't be a secession.
In eight years the left will have ensured enough demographic and social changes to guarantee Democratic representatives and governors in dozens of red and purple states for the foreseeable future.
Imagine what amnesty would do to the Southwest. Imagine what HUD's new "diversification" program to "fix" white rural communities will do to the South.
This is the tipping point.
>>73418788
Trump getting elected will piss of liberals and hopefully steer our culture away from all this PC bullshit
It would be the ultimate example of why screaming RACIST SEXIST XENOPHOBIC is pointless
>>73417531
Are you seriously want me to watch this long ass video? We kinda having a debate here, say it short in your words. What if I instead of making a point put a link to 1,5 hour video? Its a faggot move. Maybe I will watch it later when I begin my research in leftardology
>>Yup I do
>Then you're retarded.
Wow, what a great argument, I already feel the need in my soul to become a socialist
>Read Rousseau
Again, say your point in your words instead of arrogantly send me elswhere. I can do it too, READ ROTHBARD, FAGGOT
>What part of corporations not allowing their customers to leave their service do you not understand?
Yeah, now I understand, its like that mcdonalds worker that makes me eat a hamburger every morning at gunpoint. Oh wait, there is no such thing.
>You want somali style anarchism
No I dont. There are a lot of good things in Somalia, but its not my ideal.
>you get everything that goes with it, including individuals and organizations using lethal force against you for their own gain.
aka murder. There are murders now, there will always be. Whats your point? Somalis have a stateless customary law system called xeer
>>73418804
The """""""""outsider"""""""""""" that just hired a goldman sachs executive to take bribes, i mean contributions, from the donors he is now soliciting.
If you still think trump is an outsider commit sudoku
>>73404577
Floridafag here. Will be voting Johnson in November. Fuck Shillary and fuck Trump
>>73418788
>The only chance for America to capitalize from this election cycle is to get atleast one and hopefully two other parties over the 5% hump to recieve national funding.
Just like the Reform Party in '92, right? Remind me, how many representatives do they have in office?
>>73418681
>On Election Day, Johnson received 1,275,951 votes and 0.99% of the popular vote, setting a record for the most votes won by a Libertarian Party presidential nominee.
5% = major change in how party will be structured. Millions of dollars saved, wont need to get signatures in most states. Would get federal funding, about 5-10mill (check box you voluntarily check when doing taxes)
>>73416708
Johnson is a Libertarian simply to advance his ideas on pot legalization.
His entire fucking campaign ran that as a main point in 2012.
Anyone who holds weed to be an important political issue should be fucking banned from voting.
>>73418942
Yea. That's how the liberal mind works. Liberals will just give up and roll over while trump does nothing because he is not an actual conservative but a whipping boy.
>>73419383
Right.
Johnson won't crack 2% on Election Day, and people here are acting like he's going to be let into the debates?
>>73419383
I'll say it again - Reform Party got almost 20% of the vote in '92.
They're fucking gone now.
Ross Perot's sole accomplishment was ensuring Clinton's victory. Nothing more.
>>73419272
>>73419683
Eh to be fair they got jesse ventura in as gov.
>>73419587
I doubt they'd put him in debates. Best chance is to have someone like AP push for alternate debate aired on fox, or do live streams of debates etc. If there is money to be made a cable network will pick it up
libertarians came out to vote for Trump in NH didn't they? I think they know this election is too revolutionary to be fucking around with 3rd parties.
>>73419865
God I hope so.
Worry about third parties after we've made sure we won't be stuck with one party.
>>73419395
If you seriously believe gary johnson only cares about that then you aren't paying attention.
And if you don't understand how opening up economies are good then you are lost. Go sign up for your obamacare and love it.
>>73419865
I highly doubt it was any significant number, maybe couple vocal people. Also doesn't even matter, as Libertarian party doesn't hold primaries. So they weren't taking away from any (L) vote.
>>73419944
But we are stuck with one party. Again, trump and others in (R) have been slowly creeping to the left on min wage, healthcare and all the other nonsense.
>>73419080
>Are you seriously want me to watch this long ass video?
If you really need the short version: rich people spend less and save more than worker. when they invest in bonds and put their money in savings accounts, they are allowing more money to be lent out, in part by boosting the liquidity of banks (although banks like to put out as many loans as possible anyway, and businesses want them to as well so consumer spending can go up without wages having to). The biggest indicator of a crisis is private credit.
>Wow, what a great argument, I already feel the need in my soul to become a socialist
The lack of perfect correlation between intelligence/virtue and success in a capitalist system is obvious, if you think one exists then you are not observing reality.
>Again, say your point in your words instead of arrogantly send me elswhere. I can do it too, READ ROTHBARD, FAGGOT
Fine have sparknotes. http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/socialcontract/
>Yeah, now I understand, its like that mcdonalds worker that makes me eat a hamburger every morning at gunpoint. Oh wait, there is no such thing.
You cited the "anarchist" situation of somalia as a positive one. If you're an "anarco" capitalist, you should have no problem with corporations having the ability to use lethal force.
>aka murder. There are murders now, there will always be. Whats your point? Somalis have a stateless customary law system called xeer
Murders are generally considered illegal when there is a state. Somalia is a good example of what happens when that is not the case.
http://answersafrica.com/violent-crime-rates-by-country.html
>>73404577
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70
>>73417531
I missed it
>1) When you use someone else's property you must submit to their will.
Right, like if you in my house I make the rules. Its bad because....?
>2) When you can own property not meant for you to use you can accumulate wealth,without having to work, indeed, you can live off the work of others.
Do you understand that all the firms and factories to work in havent appeared from thin air? Do you understand that somebody started them and made succesful despite competition? Its a lot of hard work from owner/his ancestors. Do you understand that ruling a firm and taking business decisions to make a firm succeed is a work? But you sozis paint it like some man sitting on a couch doing nothing gets money for free for 'exploiting' the workers. Do you understand that work by itself without a workplace is useless? Try go being a waiter bringing plates in an empty field. Some man started a restaurant, cooked food well and because of hard work and success he now can afford to hire other cooks and waiters and work less himself. But you think that this is 'exploitation' and we should take away the restaurant from the owner and give it to the workers. Why? It is unjust.
Libertarianism is a dead ideology from another time. Johnson is the future of nothing
>>73407900
he looks like a beedy eyed, hook-nosed kike. more like johnsonstein.
>>73405133
>Serbs - we have the IQ of chimpanzees and the foresight of dead sea urchins
FTFY
>>73421381
>Right, like if you in my house I make the rules. Its bad because....?
Because 1) that house is yours under flimsey pretexts. 2) You should never legally be required to bend your will to another. there is no contract you can sign that can legitimately destroy human freedom.
>dat paragraph
>what are stocks and dividends
Regardless, workers can be their own bosses, dumbass, co-ops do it all the time. These "owners" aren't doing anything someone else can't. If the "owner" is actually working though, then he is an owner, but he does not have to, even the duty of management can be relegated in a capitalist system.
Do you know what is unjust? People claiming to own the fruit of another's labor. The wealth of the capitalist comes from the workers. Workers manage the firm, workers make the products, and workers sell the products. But, in capitalist mode of production, it is possible for someone who does none of the work to own the fruits. Now that is unjust.
>>73420477
The system we have now is not capitalism, its mixesd economy. The government establishes artificial non market interest rate (lower/higher than the market one) which sends false signals about the condition of the market and leads to excessive creditation and then to a market crash.
>The lack of perfect correlation between intelligence/virtue and success in a capitalist system is obvious, if you think one exists then you are not observing reality.
I observe that if you are clever/creative/hardworking, you can invent something/become a singer/writer/etc/start a business/invent something/become a scientist or just be a good worker who can be trusted, and you will get your part of the pie. If you dont like the established corps start a new one. If you are lazy and stupid you wont get anything. Perfectly just in my book.
Cont.
>>73404577
STOP TRYING TO SPLIT THE FUCKING PARTY! INDEPENDENTS CANT WIN IN A FUCKING TWO PARTY SYSTEM! REEEeeee
>>73423477
>The system we have now is not capitalism, its mixesd economy.
Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. The level of government intervention is determined by the capitalists in our political economy.
>Perfectly just in my book.
Then how are there rich fools and poor or unemployed geniuses?
>>73420477
And again you send me away. OK. I'll remind you that the paragraph to witch you answered read Russeau is
>Most people are stupid. Most people are naive. Most people will believe whats told. Most people arent interested in politics. Most people have no time to be interested in politics cuz normies have jobs/friends/families/parties/alcohol. If we do not decide whats right in chemistry by election, why do we do it in politics? The majority opinion is not the correct one. For example, majority of people wants drugs and prostitution to be illegal and practioners of these activities to be put in jail, altho there are no victims and these activities are voluntary. Democracy is the rule of the majority, the majority (fe normies, muslims) can easily take away the rights of a minority (fe drug users, gays). If you are a leftist you probably hate Trump. So imagine he wins. Why do you need to be governed by a man you despise? Why lump people with different wishes together under a giant monopoly of violence?
I still wait your response to this, as for russeau
The summary goes
>Legitimate political authority, he suggests, comes only from a social contract agreed upon by all citizens for their mutual preservation.
I havent seen any contracts and I havent sign shit and I dont want to have a state, what are you gonna do, shoot me?
>While each individual has a particular will that aims for his own best interest, the sovereign expresses the general will that aims for the common good.
These interests are conflicting and there is no such thing as 'common good'.
>Rousseau recommends the death penalty for those who violate the social contract.
1)Wheres the contract? I havent sign shit and wont do it if it estabblishes the state
2)Death penalty for desobedience, so much for liberty
Long story short its a load of sozi bullshit
cont.
Gary Johnson wants open borders and is ok with abortion. I was looking at him for a possible place to go because I'm not voting Trump, but Gary is not the answer
>>73424327
>I havent seen any contracts and I havent sign shit and I dont want to have a state, what are you gonna do, shoot me?
Rousseau saw political participation as the source of the contract. The only legitimate states are those that allow for constant and direct political participation. For example, the british are only free when they vote, they are not free all the other time.
As for your paragraph.
>Most people are stupid. Most people are naive. Most people will believe whats told. Most people arent interested in politics.
Because most people are taught to be so.
>Most people will believe whats told. Most people arent interested in politics.
Because we don't have a political environment that is easy to engage in
>Democracy is the rule of the majority, the majority (fe normies, muslims) can easily take away the rights of a minority (fe drug users, gays)
That's why the body politic must be guided by the general will, a set of principles of liberty and equality in a constitution. As for the rest, I am critical of my republic as it stands, and I do not believe my will can be alienated from me in the form of a representative. I do not believe this government is legitimate, although I believe it can be made to be so.
>>73420477
>If you're an "anarco" capitalist, you should have no problem with corporations having the ability to use lethal force.
Every person owns himself, its called self ownership so I have a problem here
>Murders are generally considered illegal when there is a state. Somalia is a good example of what happens when that is not the case.
http://answersafrica.com/violent-crime-rates-by-country.html
As I said, Somalis have a system of stateless customary law called xeer, in which, surprise surprize, murder is illegal. In article you send me there is no statistics, only 'wooo, Somalia is scary'! I doubt that you can gather a reliable stats on Somalia but according to UNODC Somalia has murder rate of 5.6/100000, while Russia 9.0, USA 3.8. US has a slightly less number.
>>73424540
Open borders will work after libertarian principles are enacted. The reason why we can't absorb the illegals are the social welfare programs.
The abortion thing i am against and so are a huge portion of libertarians. That baby is a person with rights. The abortion issue will get solved over time. And really either way a bitch can just trip down the stairs. I don't care so much what the bitch does i just don't want my taxes going to planned parenthood. And he would solve that.
>>73420102
>And if you don't understand how opening up economies are good then you are lost. Go sign up for your obamacare and love it.
Are you fucking telling me legalizing weed is some kind of economic booster?
How about all those fucking jobs we send overseas? Sort out your priorities, you are the best example of a brainless weed-loving shithead.
>>73423158
>Because 1) that house is yours under flimsey pretexts. 2) You should never legally be required to bend your will to another. there is no contract you can sign that can legitimately destroy human freedom.
Im coming over to you hose on 25 may, Imma live ther and eat your food, you wont bend my will and destroy human freedom, now wont you? Gib me adress.
But seriously:
You know why PP exists? Because enormous amount of people have limitless amount of wishes, and to fullfill these wishes they wont to use limited amount of rsources. Interests of all these people come into conflict.To decide who can and who cannot use a resource to fullfill their wishes there is a wonderful mechanism: private property.
>>73423158
>Regardless, workers can be their own bosses, dumbass, co-ops do it all the time
Go ahead, who stops you?
>These "owners" aren't doing anything someone else can't.
These "workers" aren't doing anything someone else can't.
>These "owners" aren't doing anything someone else can't. If the "owner" is actually working though, then he is an owner, but he does not have to, even the duty of management can be relegated in a capitalist system.
Do you understand that ruling a firm and taking business decisions to make a firm succeed is a work?
>Do you know what is unjust? People claiming to own the fruit of another's labor.
Right, like sozis wanting to take away a firm somebody else created.
>The wealth of the capitalist comes from the workers. Workers manage the firm, workers make the products, and workers sell the products. But, in capitalist mode of production, it is possible for someone who does none of the work to own the fruits. Now that is unjust.
Imma repeat my question, wanna work waiter in the field?
>
Do you understand that all the firms and factories to work in havent appeared from thin air? Do you understand that somebody started them and made succesful despite competition? Its a lot of hard work from owner/his ancestors. Do you understand that ruling a firm and taking business decisions to make a firm succeed is a work? But you sozis paint it like some man sitting on a couch doing nothing gets money for free for 'exploiting' the workers. Do you understand that work by itself without a workplace is useless? Try go being a waiter bringing plates in an empty field. Some man started a restaurant, cooked food well and because of hard work and success he now can afford to hire other cooks and waiters and work less himself. But you think that this is 'exploitation' and we should take away the restaurant from the owner and give it to the workers. Why? It is unjust.
>>73425450
>Every person owns himself, its called self ownership so I have a problem here
Well its too bad the system you support has no problem with it.
>I doubt that you can gather a reliable stats on Somalia but according to UNODC Somalia has murder rate of 5.6/100000, while Russia 9.0, USA 3.8. US has a slightly less number.
This site has it at 8
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/somalia/homicide-rate
>>73425867
>Im coming over to you hose on 25 may
This house is my personal property. In case you didn't notice, I support the existence of personal property. Just not private property that is not personal.
> Interests of all these people come into conflict.To decide who can and who cannot use a resource to fullfill their wishes there is a wonderful mechanism: private property.
What you just described could also be done with only personal property.
>>73424233
>Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. The level of government intervention is determined by the capitalists in our political economy.
Its not pure capitalism, aka anarcho-capitalism
>Then how are there rich fools and poor or unemployed geniuses?
Like who?
>>73405169
nothing with the word socialism in it is good in any way
>>73425409
>Rousseau saw political participation as the source of the contract. The only legitimate states are those that allow for constant and direct political participation.
What if I dont want neither contract nor state?
>That's why the body politic must be guided by the general will
And general will is 'drugsters to prison, impale the faggots'. Thats why I dont want general will and social contract but want freedom.
>>73426524
>Well its too bad the system you support has no problem with it.
Lolwut? Ancapism is based on self ownership, m8
>This site has it at 8
Its still lower then in Russia and tho bigger then in USA its far from 'Everybody kills rapes pillages' idea of anarchy that common folk has
What is personal property's difference from private propert?
>>73423551
but we don't have a two party system. We just have two parties that control it.
Trump is raising taxes.
the fuck else do you need to know?
It's Gary Johnson time.
>>73428430
Johnson will raise the muds
Libertarianism is just government sponsored anarchism.
It's even worse than communism.
>>73406049
the only people who would vote for a libertarians that normally wouldn't are the absolute conservacucks who are against Trump who would rather vote for some 3rd party loser
>>73406341
this guy is a massive faggot. he's not even a libertarian since he's against abortion. I honestly hope Johnson wins so the #NeverTrump faggots can't rally behind this guy
goddamn lolbertarians. you won't win shit and no one cares about your fucking protest vote. you're not above it either, because you're effectively tipping the scales by not helping the lesser of two evils.
>>73428957
Im an ancap but Id vote for Trump if I was Amurican, m8
I don't even know his policies, and I'm going to vote him because Trump is trash, Hillary is trash, and Sanders is trash
Daily reminder, Johnson is the ONLY candidate supporting competition among schools instead of government controlled propaganda centers.
>>73429935
Except McAfee and Petersen do also.
>>73408028
it's called moving the goalpost
>>73404577
>He's in double digits in national polls vs Hillary and Trump
Let me guess, the type of polls that are online polls where you can vote as many times as you like? Post links to these polls or fuck off.
>>73404577
I want to like him but
>All drugs should be legal
>Open Borders
>Right to Choose/murder
>Defunding of public services i.e. Police fire department
Guys a bit of a nut
>>73432046
naw it was a monmouth university poll
>>73432197
>pro-choice
AP is pro life
>de-fund public services
I have yet to hear any of them call for this. That would be mostly ancaps. The thought it these services could be partially funded through lotteries etc.
>>73404770
>conservative
>>73426587
>Its not pure capitalism, aka anarcho-capitalism
Your version is nothing but idealism. Capitalism as you envision it cannot exist.
>Like who?
Tesla died in poverty. And Donald Trump is a billionaire.
>>73427482
>What if I dont want neither contract nor state?
Then you allow yourself to loose your freedom at the hands of private individuals.
>And general will is 'drugsters to prison, impale the faggots'. Thats why I dont want general will and social contract but want freedom
The general will is not popular opinion. It is what will create the most freedom among equal individuals.
>Lolwut? Ancapism is based on self ownership, m8
And yet you allow the capitalist to own your labor and you make no guarantee against private individuals using lethal force against you. Your version of self ownership is nothing but idealism.
>Its still lower then in Russia
>implying russia hasn't been a shithole since the fall of the soviet union
>What is personal property's difference from private propert?
Personal property is more specific and does not include that property which exists only for use by others for profit.
>>73432877
Much more fiscally conservative than Killary and trump.
>>73432197
>Guys a bit of a nut
Johnson is the nut we've been waiting for.
Bur really.....you should learn about the fundamental ideas of self-ownership and property rights, the inherent theft that is taxation. Check out Rothbard and then you'd understand why his policies are so hardcore. The guy has principles. A foreign concept around here, I know.
What's his stance on H1B? I know he's pro immigration and wants to bring in more Mexicans and that he's very probably a homosexual.
>>73434738
If taxation is theft, so is private property.
Rothbard's ideology only serves the interests of the rich and powerful. If you really want to learn about real self-ownership read Stirner. If you want to know what a real legitimate government looks like read Rousseau. If you want to learn how the economy really works read Richard D. Wolff.
>>73404577
Reminder he got 3.5% of his own state in 2012
Hillary shills are trying to fracture Trump support by splitting it between Trump and this guy. How obvious does this have to get before you all start realizing it?
>>73405133
>he thinks refugees would flood a country without welfare programs to leech off of
oy get a look at this goy!
>>73405921
Muh nazi goooolllllllllllllllllddddddddddddddddd.
>>73419263
Same here - panhandle fag reporting in. Johnson FTW.
>>73409560
>Why do we allow people to own things specifically to be used by others for a profit
because its their fucking property, and if you were even remotely libertarian you'd believe they could do whatever the fuck they want with it?
>>73409850
>voluntary
If it was voluntary, people would still be free to operate businesses using whatever model they please.
>>73418295
>Do you want to be forced to bake a gay cake?
Not quite. I'd be more okay with forcing Jews to bake Nazi wedding cakes than people who disagree with gay marriage bake gay wedding cakes. It's at very least consistent, and at least it's better than the others' extreme homosexual authoritarianism.
>>73418524
He wants one welfare cut to be scheduled in 40 years: Social Security opt-outs for those aged 30 or less. Except there's a problem. He only has one line of welfare cuts, so it's so damn ambiguous you can't figure it out. So much for "Trump lacks policy.", given he's now the "Never Trump" alternative to Hillary.
The irony is the illegal immigration from Mexico has significantly decreased the past 5-10 years or so because the US economy went to shit and Obama has actually increased deportations. A lot of illegals actually went back to Mexico and now it's a real problem there lately. If we shut down our welfare programs and ended the drug war the border wouldn't be a very big deal.
>>73439104
Except they're using it to get others to submit to their will. I believe in human freedom, and human freedom cannot be signed away in a contract. What's more, they use this property to say they are entitled to the fruit of another's labor.
>>73439634
>If it was voluntary, people would still be free to operate businesses using whatever model they please.
Nobody got to choose capitalism as the dominant mode of production. How is it voluntary? Everybody has to participate in it to live, but only those with capital get to decide what happens, and who has capital is determined by property laws also decided by those who have capital. See the problem?
What's more, if you think that's all that matters, shouldn't panzi schemes be legal?
>>73439775
He supports reduction as much as possible.
Austin Petersen
February 13, 2014 ·
I believe in welfare programs such as lawyers for people who may be falsely accused of crimes.
>>73439775
>>73418524
Further info:
"Allow young people to opt out of Social Security." is literally the entirety of his plank (platform section) on entitlement reform. That's right. All he wants to do with welfare is SS opt-outs.
Here's his immigration plan: "Streamline our immigration system by following updated “Ellis Island” styled protocols. Security check. Disease check. Done."
Ellis Island granted citizenship to everyone who was safe for entry. Also, during that era, immigration was subject to federal restrictions based on race and ethnicity, rather than nationality, and he seems to also support abolishing those quotas (which total one million new citizens per year) based on this extremely simple plan. The diseases covered were vast (with disease checks doubling as a eugenics program) in comparison to what he would cover, and I seriously doubt he'd do anything but maybe restrict things like Zika entering the US. Also, while there was a de facto requirement to know English back then since they would die here without it, he wouldn't cut welfare at all, so it's extremely unlikely they'll need to learn English now.
>>73404577
>the only problem with libertarian orthodoxy is border security
If libertarians had a strict immigration policy they would be based
>>73440424
Nice, I like the part where you act like you know his platform where as I've been following him for years. I thought he was a smug asshole and actually unliked him for a while. But he's had consistent message about reduction in taxes, elimination of government programs, including handouts.
> de facto requirement to know English back then
Thanks, I'll have to visit my ggggrandfathers grave and tell him that, except he didn't speak english, read or write but was able to apply for land and raise a family that 2nd gen was rich enough to afford the first large scale farm equipment in the county.
>>73409738
>country with prohibition of alcohol
>libertarian
>>73440629
I-i like border control
>>73440172
>entitled to the fruit of another's labor
Except that's only how it works in your demented fantasy world. You know how you mentioned earlier how workers should be able to sell the fruits of their labor on the free market? That's already how it works, shit-for-brains. They're being paid to input their labor along with equipment and raw materials owned by someone else to create an end product, which is then sold by the owner of the other inputs to recoup what was paid to acquire the inputs, including the labor.
If the workers don't like what they're being paid, they can find a job with some other business, and if they don't like the business model they can get together and start their own co-op. Which is made much easier in a capitalist system because business loans operate under the area of private property usage you seem to want to outlaw.
>>73440307
Yeah, Obama actually did that in 2012 with raising taxes.
>>73440819
Shillin' hard.
>>73404709
Libertarians need to go.
>>73442580
>Shillin' hard.
no worse then people shilling trump on here
>>73404577
I've voted Libertarian since turning turning the 18. I've voted for Johnson in 2012, Barr in 2008, and Badnarik in 2004. After a while you get impatient and just want to vote for a winner instead of <2% popular vote moral victories.
Look out Hillary, Johnson is coming.
>>73404577
Wow this is the dad in every 90's tv show
>>73404577
>national polls
>>73421698
And protectionist statist cucks like trump got BTFO by based Bastiat 166 years ago.
>>73440629
Read some Hoppe my friend. Libertarians can and do support strict immigration, but we want to do it in a non-authoritarian.
>>73446010
Ross destroyed all his chances by dropping out for a little while
>>73445793
I heard that it's one thing she's afraid of. Just ask Huma.
>>73442872
You do know the founding father were libertarian, right?
And you do know that the best period of US history is when the US still followed those libertarian ideas?
If trump truly wanted to MAGA he would be trying to restore the founder's ideas, not be a statist cuck.
this thread is almost 8 hours old?????????
>>73404577
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>>73446383
don't bother responding to "but muh open borders" NatCucks.
At best they're only too stuck up their own ass to realize statist bullshit is half of why immigration is even a problem, and at worst they're pure 16th-century grade retarded, and probably think the world is flat in addition to international trade being a zero-sum game.
>>73404577
Daily reminder that oyveyburgertarianism is founded by jews, wants open borders, and supports cuckoldry.
>>73404577
Gary Johnson is a libertarian because he kept getting rejected as a Republican.
In fact, thats what a libertarian is, a failed republican.
Ron Paul, Gary Johnson ect.
And a failed Libertarian is a liberal
>>73446010
>almost 19% of the popular vote
>no electoral votes
Why do people stand for this shit?
