The more I think and read about it, the more I can't see a single reason why having such a wall would be a BAD thing, esp. the history these two nations have vis a vis illegal immigration and drugs.
If anything, it's the opposite, it's a humane solution to save young girls from being used as drug mules and or taken advantage of by human smugglers and often sold into prostitution.
A nation without true borders is in fact no longer true nation, but a dumping ground for the world's refuse, not to mention the possibility of terrorist infiltration.
#BuildWallBurgers, and build it high!
>>73402212
R A R E
A
R
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Rare af
Also, it's too expensive, won't accomplish much and a lot of them come in one work visas then don't leave when they're supposed to. It just seems like a waste especially when immigration from Mexico has been decreasing for some time.
There are other things we should be spending that money on.
>>73402212
R A R E
>>73402212
Won't do shit to stop illegal immigration because the majority of them overstay VISAs.
Might limit the drug trade, but a lot of that is through underground tunnels anyways.
It will do absolutely nothing about illegal immigration.
It will do absolutely nothing about illegal drugs.
It will cost money to keep and maintain, while still serving no function.
It will block American access to 1200 miles of the Rio Grande river.
It makes America look completely stupid in front of the other nations.
It's an obvious scam by politicians to distract from what they should be doing instead.
>>73403071
>it will do nothing about illegal immigration and drugs
how so? Walls are very effective.
>>73403071
You have to go back
>>73403071
>maintain
>concrete wall
Once its built its there to stay. Plus it gives all soldiers sitting in the barracks all day something to do, patrol the wall.
>>73403071
...what should they be doing instead of enforcing border security?
>>73402639
It sends a message that we have a border we're intent to maintain which is the opposite direction some others would be trying to pull us in.
>>73403071
All this is true. Not to mention Mexico will never build the wall in the first place.
>>73403268
Mexicans have been digging entire tunnel systems under the border. A wall might help, but it's going to be almost impossible to stop all of it.
>>73402639
>a lot of them come in one work visas
Good thing that along with the wall, we are also going to crack down on all visa programs.
>>73403071
OP BTFO
>>73403279
Same way you have to maintain a house. It requires upkeep due to environmental wear. That often requires paying construction crews.
>>73402212
>Is their at serious argument vs. "The Wall?
It's kinda just a waste of money, they arrive by tunnels, sea-tunnel, trucks, ship containers, etc.
Building a wall will only satisfy people who think all illegal immigrants cross the border by foot.
>>73403071
Take his coat!
Don't need a wall.
We need snipers along the border.
>>73403712
Most do arrive by foot, tunnels and shipping severly bottleneck the amount that can come.
Tunnels are also very easy to detect.
>>73403071
Explain how that would do nothing for illegals & drugs?
Ask China or Vatican City if walls work.
Walls work.
Believe me. Believe me.
>>73404093
>Tunnels are also very easy to detect.
Across the whole border? And it only needs to be up and running for a few days to become economically viable.
>>73404064
On top of a wall! Get the tactical advantage?
>>73402212
FLAG FLAG FLAG!
>>73402212
>serious argument against the Wall
The Israel wall, Berlin wall, Great Wall of China, and other border walls are famously effective. Outside of that consideration, the wall makes economic sense, considering that illegals cost at least $54 billion per year, while a wall would only cost (at most) $10 million to build, and a few million per year to staff and maintain. So, no, no serious arguments against a wall.
We should have done it a long time ago.
metton chu au quebec pi jaimerais sa vivre a saint pierre, stu bin dure immigré? stune nationalité francaise right?
ces juste que jme cherche une place avec literalement zéro negre
>>73402212
Waste of money
The wall would be based AF just because it's a huge fuck you to mexico, but unfortunately most of the drugs and illegals already come through the legal points of entry.
For every drug shipment we catch at the border checkpoints hundreds get through.
The people who literally jump the border fence (with or without drugs) are the ones who are too poor to legally enter and just never leave.
The cartels have also been using tunnels 50-100ft deep for decades now, some of which are over 2 miles long that run between warehouses on each side of the border.
To be honest deep listening equipment and heavily increased 24hr patrols would be better than a physical wall, and even that wouldn't come close to stopping the amount of drugs and people that already come through the legal checkpoints.
Not to mention the amount of illegals coming to the US is lower than the amount going back to mexico.
>>73403712
>ship containers
I live in Tampa Florida
We have the third busiest port in the US
Every year we bust thousands of people trying to smuggle themselves through shipping containers
They hardly ever get in through here
Get your head out of your ass
>>73402446
>id
>6 million jews agrees with you
MOOOOOODS
>>73404218
They make a lot of nose when they're being built, easy and cheap to track and detect, just send some people with guns to where the tunnel is going to surface.
It's hard to detect small tunnels that are already there but it isn't hard to detect them being built.
>>73404658
I was thinking of Cali when I posted that, that's also where the sea-tunnels are.
>actually thinking a wall will impede a multi billion dollar black market drug tradr
>what is a trebuchet
>what is an airplane
This is literally the conservative equivalent of bernies 'tax on Wall street', way to put a bandaid on a tumor guys.
>>73403071
READY YOUR PESOS SENOR
>muh feels we need to build a wall
>muh feels we need to stop the wall
>>73403268
lmao the cartels have fucking submarines bro
>>73405261
Lmao we have radar bro
>>73403071
Nice try, shlomo.
Saying we shouldn't build a wall because it won't prevent 100% of illegal immigrants is like saying we shouldn't have a justice system because there's a chance of getting the verdict wrong.
>>73402752
Do you understand why automobiles have both seatbelts and airbags?
>>73405079
>trebuchet
Walls work a treat.
What are the natural barriers where no wall will be needed?
>>73402212
There are no arguments against the wall.
We had the same libtards when we wanted to build the wall in the egyptian border.
Same argument- wall wont work, muh poor refugees, muh racism, muh we wuz on holocaust.
Immigrants numbers droped from 17.3k to 44 in 1 year.
crimes rate droped, less niggers to feed with welfare, economy got better.
>>73405402
abcnews . go . com /US/drug-smugglers-catapult-launch-marijuana-arizona-mexico-border/story?id=12776586
>>73404588
Are there really more leaving than entering?
>tfw no amount of wall would make my country safe from the foreign hordes unless we wall the entire border and the shit skins areas in large cities
>>73402212
What's the point of a wall if they are already here? If he can truly get ICE and immigration to do their job and deport them, as well as cracking down on businesses who hire illegals than the wall would work. Otherwise he is just pandering to stupid hicks, let's see if he can really hold what he says to be true
>>73405261
>>73405307
the cartels are investing in drones, not only that but they plan to use small drones that fly alongside flocks of birds
>>73405653
>everyone involved was caught
So it looks like a wall works pretty well
>>73402212
All I know is we ain't going to pay for it.
>>73405307
Sonar you fucking idiot...
>>73405895
For every drug smuggle we catch 1000 or more probably get away. Not to mention the drug transportation by air and sea
>>73405489
Rio Grande
>>73404658
this, I live in the same place and customs are a thing that work. anti-walls btfo
>>73406094
So we should stop trying to stop them?
>>73402212
While I do support the wall, there are other ways to import drugs (tunnels, cannons, boats, etc.) and other causes for illegal immigration (overstayed visas, etc.)\
Also, the flag is pretty rare
>>73402212
This one's the most serious I know of
>>73406308
No, but we need a better plan then just building a wall. One alternative would be to legalizing marijuana. No one would by that Mexican shit if weed was legal to grow and sell here
>>73403071
Ayy senpai, intelligent people on /pol/, truly
RARE
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>>73403774
Leave that shit on reddit fag.
>>73404115
few illegals or drugs come via method stopped with a wall. See: tunnels, visas, planes, fucking submarines, trains, coyotes. The few that do will easily switch to one of the other methods.
Enforcing border security is fine. Building a wall isn't going to do shit.
>>73406308
Not that anon, but imo a wall fails to address illegal drug trade broadly enough to justify it's cost, especially since it's easily circumvented.
Trade deals, drug decriminalization and eventual legalization as well as large scale federal law enforcement cooperation are the only solution, and they will take a long time. Walls are in fact, entirely for the feels.
>>73402212
The cost to benefit ratio is probably pretty poor. Especially comparing a physical wall (Which will require upkeep) to many other things.
On the other hand it would encourage some good old Keynesian economics to build such a thing.
What the fuck country even are you.
>>73403071
You do realize that the Great Wall of Trump™ is planned to be a viaduct for water, electricity, an interstate highway and a rail system on top, along with housing and shelter for border patrol guards right? Didn't you see the poster?
It does so much shit at once.
>>73402212
10 ft higher build the wall !!!
>>73404301
You can't mix the different studies together as you can get any answer you want then as you are feeding different numbers in which can effect conclusions differently depending on the studies methodology.
Not to mention the fact that tax intake from a household is not a good measure for how much it contributes to society. Its productive output matters more. Looking at tax intake also means that an easier solution would actually be to increase immigrants wages which ironically people wouldn't want. Removing that productive output however means removing productive output from the economy and if significant enough means recession.
>>73403071
Works for israel
>>73406953
Those are generally used for drugs, not immigrants.
>>73402212
I'm a trump supporter and the only thing I can think of is that it could negatively impact the wildlife.
>>73406953
if they know the locations, why haven't they stopped them? bullshit image
>>73402639
Except the people we *really* don't want illegally immigrating are the ones who will be blocked by the wall. Overstayed work visas are at least people who have some sort of working ability. We'll still kick them out but at least they're not worthless garbage coming to America to exploit the taxpayer.
>>73402212
Muh shekels
It's a wall on both sides you retard.
They can't come but you can't leave.
>>73402212
Considering how much Trump has been changing already and we are not even into the general election yet. Isn't it more likely the wall will just end up being a line in the sand?
He is doing the Mitt Romney. Transformer politician. Presenting two completely different platforms for winning the nomination and another trying to win the general.
You don`t need a wall.
just build 2 high barb wire fences.
THE POINT IS: You need a lot of border guards !!
>>73407128
>calling bullshit something without even looking for it
>mah intellect is supperior to yours so if i call something bullshiet it is bullshiet
High ego, low intelligence.
>mexican intellectuals
lmao
>>73407098
There you go expecting a Mexican intellectual to use logic.
>>73407284
yeah izi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfVENwfeGHw
>>73406953
wait
wait
hear me out
10 feet under as well
>>73402212
1. Expensive
2. Will require a lot of maintenance'
3. Will need even more federal agents which again inflates price.
4. Will be in political limbo for how long it will take to get the ok.
5. To truly be effective will need to be more than just a wall (towers, ditchs, etc)
6. Will need equipment to mointor for underground tunneling.
7. Becomes a target for terrorism (not that big a deal though).
There are some pros, but the problems you listed would not be solved by the wall.
>>73407149
This.
Plus once you have a wall you can always deny visa's and stop the flow completely.
>>73407314
You still haven't refuted my argument, stupid brown shitskin
>>73407098
>drug not immigrants
illegal sex trafic, mexican teens for sale, and slaves for sale, and yes ppl smuggling too. Iknow ppl that are coyotes
do you even come to pol? have you taked the redpill yet sheeplete?
>>73407442
yeah just becuase you say so kid
>>73407428
LOL good video
>>73407383
Christ, just look at their response.
>>73407553
God damn, son. You need to shape up your shitposts. That is sub-Canadian level.
>>73407538
refuted jajajajjaaajajj
mi culo esta mas blanco que tu cara, asi te la pongo si quieres
>>73403071
This. My thoughs, exactly.
I mean, cartels already have a network of tunnels in the border. Build a 1km high wall if want but some fucker will pass.
>>73404093
Most illegals are those who over stay their visa. Wall also won't do shit for people who engage in "honeymoon" trips where people book flights to US right before child birth.
A wall done right is an effective tool. But it can't be a single solution.
>>73407700
so you label ppl in to levels and think who is better and shittier than you? who the fuck does that? you are living the dream dont you?
>>73405640
What happens when people do manage to cross the wall? Deportation? Prison? Execution?
I think the biggest problem with those who manage to get past our border is that they are given the life of luxury. We treat them better than our citizens. We should be shooting them at the border if they dare cross it, and treating the ones here like garbage by throwing them in prison, then deporting them so they never want to come back.
>>73406953
You fags act like a wall is the only thing that's going to happen.
All the laws needed to BTFO illegals are already in place. We're just not using them because all the presidents like 1980 have been softie cucks who haven't done a damn thing to stop it. Visa laws aren't enforced. Border laws aren't enforced. Proper funding is not given to the border patrol. We never actually deport anyone anymore, and when we do, it's just a revolving door and they come right back in anyway. Hell, we literally have criminals we set free in the US because "mexico won't take them back" as if that's our fucking problem.
Trump Wall is just one piece of the puzzle.
Wall + deportation + deporting illegals who commit crimes + no sanctuary cities + no refugees + no muslims
Should be considered together
>>73402212
Holy fuck that's a rare proxy!
PS. Walls are super expensive and can ruin nature
>>73407733
I have green eyes and brown hair. Stop fucking lying
>>73407915
is that so? so a wall is going to solve a racism and xonophobe problem? how many years you have been living like this? and you think a wall will solve your socialy segregated country, becuase your education is a business and not a right like your laws say. education is just for the elites, and its a good business, if you want to become better, you need to pay money to ppl that is leeching off your back.
thats another piece of the puzzle, keep hating and separate them, and the global media endocrineze your ass about any stupid shit.
*usa intellectuals
>>73408081
Los dos están bien pendejos.
Continúen.
>>73408269
Mind your own shit countries problem. If you hate us , as indicated by your post, stay the fuck out and the wall will help your shit countrymen stay the fuck out. Of course we may take a few of your best
>>73408269
>mexico lecturing me on a segregated society
Lel, you beaners literally have a caste system in place. Fuck off.
HOW to secure a border 4 dummies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PBRvFxTeU8
>>73408284
c-cayate
>>73408041
>ruin nature
yeah it would suck to mess up all the nature
>>73402639
>There are other things we should be spending that money on.
We wont spend a fucking dime, doofus.
>>73408499
hate? lmao i go to vacations like 10 times a year stupid fuck
did i trigger you with that post?
>>73408041
>ruin nature
lel, do you think the border is the fucking tropical rain forest? It's just a giant barren desert.
>>73408690
Nope
te ardió el culo master raza aria?
Btw se escribe "callate", analfabeta.
>>73408533
do you feel lectured?
what did you learn?
>>73409064
Youre just confused then
>>73409129
el pendejito esta mas preocupado por la ortografia que lo que quieres decir con las palabras
pobre ni;o autista
>>73409064
Hopping the border doesn't count as a vacation, Paco.
>>73402212
>is there a serious argument vs "The Wall"?
Tunnels. A very popular choice in drug and people trafficking today.
>>73409212
>>73409265
you should go to hawaii, ohau have some nice places
but i think thats too much money for you kid
>>73403071
>It will block American access to 1200 miles of the Rio Grande river.
>thinking we'll build the wall on our side of the river
>>73409346
Fucking banks regular banks have seismic sensors to keep niggers from doing the same. Try again.
>>73403071
Doesn't Mexico have a wall on the southern border with machine gun nests?
>>73409440
>he swims to Hawaii
That's quite the distance. You should try swimming to NZ. I know it's further but it's beautiful there.
>>73409601
Why aren't they using them now then? Plenty of tunnels today.
Also: cost.
>>73409691
do you like lord of the rings nerd?
lmao poor little shit, keep working your assoff for 5 days a year of shitty vacations with your shitty family, meanwhile the sky is the limit
>>73403712
The majority that do not overstay on some sort of visa DO cross the border by foot.
>>73404218
Yes.. It gets easier by the day. The technologies being developed and applied to infantry movement and tunnel detection are very accurate.
>>73409954
sure that solves all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUdozfL7iM
>>73409806
>my vacations are real in my mind
So do you throw away your shitty toilet paper or flush it?
>>73409253
Deje mi mensaje en claro desde un principio. Lo repetiré porque pareces ser algo lento: "Estas bien pendejo"
What flaf is this I'm on mobile
>>73410118
i shit on my mango plants and then export them to the usa how does it taste like?
evenfor shittposting you are not even amusing.
>>73409806
You are that anon who sells mangos, aren't you?
>>73410165
mas virgen que la verga eres jajajaja
>>73410374
you are that gringo that eats burgers?
>>73410329
Never mind, confirmed.
>>73404588
Wrong. A physical wall gives the best platform for continuous presences via monitoring systems. A wall provides a delay or complete deterrent to those crossing on foot. That paired with improving technology allows for a very effective method to slow illegal entry via foot to a crawl. It won't stop all of anything. It will be a tremendous asset in maintaining our borders though.
>>73410492
>half life 3 confirmed
>>73410451
You got some chip on your shoulder, mestizo.
>>73404658
These idiots ignore the tremendous increases in security and technology when it comes to shipping anything. We scan a huge number of crates as they enter our ports. We see anything inside. We can also test for radiation, arms materials and more.
>>73410384
>/pol/
>Virginity accusations
>>73402212
RARERARERARERARERARERARERARERARERARE
>>73410659
so how you like our tacos and maids so much?
The blood is calling you brother, you can make even better meztizo than us
>>73403071
>no impact on immigration
Anyone got the graphs on immigration since different euro countries built walls?
>>73410745
veras pequeño saltamontes, el ser virgen no es un estado fisico es mental, asi como vos
>>73405950
Don't worry, Mexico, you will.
>>73402212
Thanks for the flag, bro.
>>73402212
Globalist kikes don't like it since it contradicts their notion of an increasingly borderless world.
>>73403302
Enforcing and strengthening the laws that prohibit the hiring of illegals.
>>73402212
Let me be clear. Mexico causes this problem themselves. They can't/won't secure their borders, so we get to deal with anyone who wants to enter Mexico from wherever (Central America) who use Mexico as a platform of illegal entry into the US. This isn't just about 'Mexicans', this is about Mexico's continuous failures regarding cartels, border security, migrations.
>>73409799
Funding isn't there because no politician is pushing for a WALL.
>>73402212
People don't understand that this is not going to happen. It's a talking point and more of a threat. Trump himself said that illegal immigration iis like a release valve and basically allows the Mexican government to not do anything about living conditions in the northern part of their country. Further south Mexico is a beautiful place. Having a wall will force Mexican officials to actually do something about it. People are always saying how bad it is over there and people have a right to come here. No people have a right to live in their own country and have their government protect and help them. Their all in the pocket of the cartel that were supplying. We're across the ocean spending shot tons of money "nation building" when we should be making Mexico better. Trump will make America great again and bring Mexico along with it.
>>73406953
murican fracking tech could render tunnels obsolete
>>73410329
We wash our food quite well. We expect no less from animals.
>>73409799
Do you understand how much illegal immigration costs us? It'd be saving us money.
And the reason we never had any of this stuff before is because it's never been in the interests of bought politicians to actually solve immigration. The liberals like it because it means more welfare serfs to continue voting them into power. The neocons like it because it means lower wages for their jew overlords. Every president as far back as I can remember cucked for illegals. Obama basically stopped all forms of border control. Bush didn't do a damn thing to stop them and said "christian values don't end at the rio grande," Clinton brought millions in. Regan granted them all amnesty and called them future conservative voters.
>>73410828
A eso me refería exactamente mi virginal negro <3
>>73402212
> Is their at serious argument vs. "The Wall?
It won't accomplish anything?
Do you really think mexicans can't figure out how to get around a wall?
>>73411003
This
Turn up the penalty for hiring illegals way way way up. If you make the minimum penalty for hiring an illegal 10 years, they wontt have jobs and they wont be able to provide for their families and they will stay in mexico instead.
>>73411119
Not saying it can't be build. I'm saying installing those kinds of sensors along the whole border would be expensive as fuck.
>>73411290
see >>73411354
You need to tighten the penalty for hiring illegals, this way they wont have an economic basis to be in your country.
>>73411354
>expensive
Explain how you came to this conclusion, please.
>>73404301
Don't forget that many illegals send american money out of the country. If only 1/4 of illegal aliens (it's probably a lot more) send only $100/week out of the country, that's a fuck ton of money.
Using the official estimate of ~12,000,000 illegal inmigrants and assuming only 25% send a mere $100/week out of the country, it adds up to $15,600,000,000 per year. Using the estimate of 35,000,000 illegal aliens in that post, again assuming only 25% of them send a mere $100/week out of the country, that's $45,500,000,000 leaving the country yearly. And using Ann Coulter's estimate of 50,000,000 illegal aliens, once again assuming that only 25% of them send $100/week out of the country to their home country, that gives us an astounding $65,000,000,000 leaving the country.
>>73406731
>muh tunnels
cost $$$ and takes time to build. Detectable.
>muh visas
with trump as president? HAHAHAHAHA
>muh planes
violating US airspace? Shoot em down
>muh submarines
pull the navy back from the middle east and put them in the gulf of mexico
>muh trains
crash straight into wall
>muh coyotes
giant wall blocking
>>73411485
These options aren't mutually exclusive. There's no single-step solution to this problem. We need an ensemble of different tactics together that lead to a 99% reduction in the problem. Punish employers, deport illegals, build a wall, increase border security, etc etc etc.
>>73411485
Except for Sanctuary cities and easy access to welfare. Oh and if they get born here they become citizens and dozens of other issues that need to be addressed. It is effective to cut the problem off substantially now.
>>73405079
>trebuchet
Yeah imagine 20 mexican dudes rolling a trebuchet right up to the wall. The wall that's monitored by the US government and staffed by border patrol and the US military. That will surely go well for mexico
>>73411903
Don't give illegals access to welfare. This isn't rocket science.
>>73402212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUiTxn7_Fzc
>>73405662
It's like the meme of "11 million illegals"
How would they track that? It's nonsense
>>73411829
You don't need to build a wall if you close the cash register. No money, no illegals.
Yes it's that simple.
>>73402212
You are not even from the continent, why do you care?
The wall will work.
The problem is asian illegals are coming by boat in greater number than Mexicans.
>>73405489
>That pic.
And at the end of the day the ended up on the other side of the wall...
>>73406953
Walls have to go underground too. You can't just put a wall of concrete on top of desert sand
>>73405861
First thing you do when a bath is overflowing is turn the water off
Well, I feel that The Wall is a great album. One of the best actually. I tell you, no one's listened to The Wall as good as me. We'll do it the best. We'll make The Wall the best album again. Number one in sales, baby! We'll have the Mexicans at EMI pay for it.
>>73403279
Border patrol is already understaffed. There is no one sitting in the barracks.
It's incredibly difficult to argue against increased border security for our country when there's still so much terrorism occurring.
Specifically when it's going up for free.
The only people that you should hear complaining are friends and family of illegals exploiting USA and sending money out the country
I'd like to imagine that mastermind Trump is speaking about the wall mostly in a figurative sense. It would be costly as hell to build a >3000km great wall that's both tall and deep and hard to penetrate, and then also maintain it and have the patrols to keep sure nobody gets over anywhere. There are certainly more economic ways to handle it. Maybe have in total 50-500km some sort of actual wall alongside the biggest population centers and then have drones, cameras and physical patrols for the rest of the border?
More important would probably be more strict visa policy, enforcing deportation, investing more on the checkpoints, not giving illegals any money at all, making it very pricey to employ illegals, etc.
>>73411789
We just recently got an unmanned submarine detector too. Just in time for Trump presidency
>>73404301
> $10 million to build
Surely it can't be that cheap.
>>73402212
>says the French colony in Canada
>>73402446
RARE
Anyone who would argue against a wall at this point is insane
You're telling me that we can predict what the temperature was thousands of years ago but we can't figure out ways on whether there will be a tunnel or not?
Overstayed visas? That is too easy
Submarines? Our Navy is the best in the world
Airplanes? Our air force is the best in the world
Not being able to find illegals. Our technology is better than when Nazi Germany was around
Cost? Illegals cost us $100B yearly.
Is /pol/ being raided by Reddit or something? These are all laughably stupid arguments.
>>73412878
I think that might be a bit low, but not much so. Its a fairly simply construction.
>>73407553
>mexican teens for sale
Word?
>>73413462
It might be a simple construction but it's still 3,200km long.
>>73413282
Transnigger liberals shitpost like Australians, but they like to pretend they have an IQ of 85 so they make nigs feel oppressed.
>>73402212
1. it fucks up with the habitats of a ton of animals that live in the area
2. it will cost an assload in maintenance, which Mexico is not paying for even if Trump manages to get them to pay for the wall
3. it needs to be manned which is fucking expensive and will require even lower border guard standards
It's an unintelligent solution designed to appeal to retards. There are better solutions.
>>73413796
If a bath is overflowing why would you leave the water running?
>>73412541
Fuck yes. Everyone puts over Dark Side of the Moon but The Wall is superior.
>>73413796
>it needs to be manned which is fucking expensive and will require even lower border guard standards
It needs cameras connected to a central base, you don't need people physically looking out.
Walls need very little maintenance, they last thousands of years.
>>73415201
Wish you were here is the best imo
>>73415201
The Wall > DSotM > Wish You Were Here > Animals > Piper > The Final Cut > A Saucerful of Secrets
BUT ALL OF THAT
< Obscured by Clouds
Le underrated gem #/r/pinkfloyd
>>73406974
>illegal immigrants
>increase wages
>for illegal immigrants
>increase wages
u w0t m8
>You can't mix the different studies together as you can get any answer you want then as you are feeding different numbers in which can effect conclusions differently depending on the studies methodology.
what are you referring to exactly? first two posts were simply adding conclusions and not 'mixing studies', there's a clear difference.
None of his 'mixing' was 'feeding different numbers', he was merely pointing out that there's an estimate of a yearly increase in illegal immigrants of about 3 million, with a 2005 estimate of 20 million illegal immigrants total, with an estimate about how much illegal households cost the US, he's not obfuscating numbers by adding these. Extrapolating the 3 million is somewhat dodgy but allows for a rough estimate and 3 million * 10 + 20 million at 2005 = 50 million at 2015. This is all valid use of the conclusions of the study.
>>73415201
Stoners put Dark Side of the Moon over The Wall.
How did the Iron Curtain work? I am curious as to if there is a lesson to be learned from East Germany.
>>73402212
IT'S THE BOAT AGAIN
>>73404218
>Across the whole border?
Acoustic sensors ground penetrating radars and very important informants. Drug tunnels don't have thousands people pathing them who could cooperate with police. immigration tunnels do.
>>73416516
>Comfortably Numb
>Waiting for the Worms
>The Trial
>Run Like Hell
>okay, basically all of side 4, most of 3
>Mother
>the entire movie
Both are like LSD trips. TDSotM is like a calm, nice one, The Wall is a hardcore bad trip
Pink Floyd is built on drugs like LSD and weed pretty much, and is pretty much alway psychedelic, Waters can deny all he wants. Look up some old interviews, circa Live at Pompeii. He's so stoned. He and Gilmour both
>>73404301
Add USSR wall. Starting from 70s entire USSR ground border had wire barriers and motion detection systems (yep in 70s, commies had very advanced technologies when it comes to oppression kek). No one gets in no one gets out.
It would be cheaper and more effective to use drones with heat tracking that just shoot anybody they see cross it.
However, Trump doesn't want the wall to keep Mexicans out. If you pay attention he wants to build a military grade wall for national defense
>>73417229
Drones would not be cheaper. Each missile one of those fuckers lets out is hundreds of thousands of dollars a piece. The wall will be forever.
>>73416908
Thank you for explaining something that everybody already knows.
>>73418311
You are welcome
But you're wrong
/r/pinkfloyd
Can someone tell me what flag op is I'm on clover
>>73402212
Its almost physically impossible. Like if you look at the actual location of the border between mexico and america there are a ton of places where building a wall would be hard, expensive, and sometimes downright impossible.
>>73402212
>Other than "muh..." RARE? Holy shit it's RARE!
Building "The Wall" is a very sound decision, politically, culturally, and economically.
Politically because it's no secret that the leftists just want illegal immigrants to vote for them, and not caring about the impact it would have to the country. It doesn't matter to leftists that they're only using these illegals for the vote, then leave them impoverished after they've outlived their usefulness. They'd even purposefully keep them in an impoverished state and blame the opposition for it to turn them into vote cattle. Illegals think when they get here, they'd get rich or get welfare (because they're the stereotypical 'lazy Mexican'). The truth isn't as real as their fantasies. When they get here, a majority of them would have to be literally homeless, unless they know fellow Mexicans that are already here--even then, they will be taken advantage of. Most of them who have no connections would have to resort to crime to sustain themselves, or be a beggar and eat garbage, or prostitute themselves to have enough money to have food and lodging for a day or so.
It will also change the culture of the host country, for the worst. Like Trump said, illegals are sometimes the kind of people that Mexico "sends" are not the best people. Some illegals are often criminals, uneducated, unskilled (other than doing physical labor), and so on. These kind of people bring in less (taxes) and take in more (in benefits). They also bring in their culture which is bad for the host country. Instead of integrating, they don't want to learn English, or think of themselves as Mexican first (instead of American), or they bring in their culture of criminal worship that's big in Latin America (some think highly of the cartels and seek to emulate them). And it only takes a few of them to ruin the rest. They're the rotten fruit in a basket full of healthy and ripe ones that may spoil the rest.
>>73420193
Saint Pierre and Miquelon
>>73402212
Only filthy kikes get to have walls and law and order, and no niggers.
>>73402639
What money? The foreign aid we send to mexico? I agree, we can use it to build a wall
>>73421401
Thanks mexibro
>>73406953
BUILD MOAT AND WALL
>>73421142
(con't)
It also hurts the host country economically because, as stated before, they take in more than they bring in. Illegals, so they don't get deported by "La Migra" officials, don't pay taxes. They are often contracted and get paid under the table, in cash so there's no paper trail. Mexicans (often illegals) hanging out near Home Depots... it's real. And because people know they can pay them less, they hire them over legal immigrants and citizens who DO pay taxes. If you think about it, the illegal Mexicans screw over legal Mexican immigrants and Mexican-American citizens. This is why there are Mexican-Americans and legal Mexicans who wanted to vote for Trump. They don't want to get screwed by the illegal ones that don't even bother integrating and continue to do illegal things, even if it hurts the host country and its peoples. They don't want to be screwed by illegals that haven't earned the right to be here. That didn't earn the right like they did: legally. Crimes that the illegals commit have an associated cost, both the damage incurred and the cost to stop crimes--and most (because they want to remain hidden) don't pay taxes so it's a net loss. The benefits that they get, and because they don't pay taxes, also results in net loss. Them taking jobs from legals and citizens, who are now unable to pay taxes because the illegals took them; again, results in net loss. No matter how you look at it, illegals are an economic drain.
>>73403698
>It requires upkeep due to environmental wear.
>environmental wear
>on a concrete wall in the desert
With the exception of aesthetic repairs, properly built concrete structures require almost nil for maintenance. Troll harder you stupid fuck.
>>73402212
Yeah there is. He must start fixing the whole immigration system first. Le wall is just an excuse not to do what is right.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/2/homeland-security-limited-ability-detect-asylum-fr/?page=all
>>73421927
>giving the enemy cover
what a dumb move...
>>73415546
>it needs cameras
So why build a wall when you can just have cameras covering the entire border? It'd be far cheaper and just as effective.
>walls need very little maintenance
That's not what the Congressional Budget Office says.
