Gary Johnson is polling double digits against Trump and Hillary.
>>73372758
[citation needed]
>>73372758
That was long time ago. We need a new poll, and I think he/LP candidate will do even better.
Say it with me
President Johnson
>>73372758
pls tell me the gary will make it scary for the hairy hillary and trump who belong in the dump
>>73373991
PRESIDENT JOHNSON
this election isnt funny anymore, jeb bush may have been the funniest guy since howard dean, probably even funnier, but now that the humor is gone, we need gary to sweep away the trash
#Takeitawayjohnson
Why do libertardians still come here?
>>73372758
Cite it OP >>73372871
>>73372758
looks like Ders finally made city counsel-man dude
>>73374173
why do authoritarians think theyre edgy and cool and have nothing better to do than post stupid memes and lick boots?
>>73372758
He should run third party :^)
>>73374258
Give me one country that amassed large amounts of money under libertardian pricinples. Protip: there is none.
>>73374335
> 848 people
johnson is USA's DUDE WEED politician
>>73372758
>double digits
they're thinking of Arte Johnson
>>73374505
didn't obongo promise the DUDE WEED in his campaigns? will drumpf tap into the DUDE WEED electorate?
>>73374386
...And? That's not unusual for a national poll. It's more than any poll included in the RCP republican primary average going back to December 9th.
>>73372871
https://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/7714a05b-515f-4ad3-bdaa-e72a6e5f8e61.pdf
>>73374505
No, he's the DUDE LIBERTY LMAO politician. Weed comes with that.
>>73374376
The US, prior to 1913.
>>73374376
the united states of america retard
>>73374885
while blacks were still second class citizens without the right to vote, pretty libertarian xD fuck off yellow idiot
>>73375136
so your remaining argument is black lives matter?
theyre worth less than fecal matter
>>73375136
The right to vote was dependent on the state and their slave status prior to 1865. Not all blacks in the US were slaves and half of the country outlawed slavery. They could all legally vote after that.
>>73375212
>I want libertarianism, but black should still be slaves
Let's face it your libertarianisms comes from your racism. I'm not saying it's bad, just admit it you hypocrite.
>>73374173
Why do alt-right goobers constantly fantasize about /pol/ being their safe space?
Peterson would be better but I would like to see finally the lp getting above 5 percent.
>>73375136
Slavery and voting aside, the US prior to 1913 was remarkably libertarian. Federal, state, and local taxes combined only amounted to 6% - 8% of GDP, and most of that was for local stuff, like roads and schools.
>>73375247
what about jim crow and the unable to vote by women? that is libertarian? TOP KEK
>>73375309
I tolerate progressives and liberals, but libertarians are just closeted racist tbqh.
I've been saying for a while now that my biggest fear is the Libertardians siphoning off like 5-10% from Trump and causing him the election. With the current electoral demographics stacked in favor of the Dems, even a small amount siphoned from Trump could cost the election.
Watch for the MSM to cover the Libertarian party way more than previous years and for a decent chunk of the Never Trump cucks to vote Libertarian.
This is the single biggest threat to Trump right now. Get the word out. Libertarians need to know there is no room for a third party with the way our electoral system is set up. They must stand down to avoid a catastrophic Clinton presidency.
#bordersareracist
>>73375305
why would i want black slaves? there is no reason to have blacks as slaves today.
while your argument is that black people being able to vote and all people licking boots is better than all people being actually free and black peoples ability to vote being up for debate and democratic decision
>>73375358
>Slavery and voting aside, the US prior to 1913 was remarkably libertarian
>I want liberty but >50% of the population shouldn't have the right to vote
HAHAHAHA
>>73375333
this
if only they could handle the petersen
>>73375375
>I tolerate progressives and liberals, but libertarians are just closeted racist tbqh
????
Did constantly smelling toilet bleach mess with your neural channels, Wozcyak?
A Gary Johnson presidency is pretty much confirmed.
I've looked at all the numbers in every which way, and I've never been so sure of something since I predicted a Kasich GOP nomination victory.
>>73375381
>I've been saying for a while now that my biggest fear is the Libertardians siphoning off like 5-10% from Trump and causing him the election
all the Levins and Shapiros of the world will shill now for Johnson because their end goal is President Hillary Clinton. All the butthurt conservashits will support Johnson to not be accused of directly supporting Shillary. The 3rd party is the spoiler party, the splinter in your crotch party that messes everything up.
>>73375333
>Not voting for Madman McAfee
>>73375531
if there was no drumpf /pol/ would be drooling over him, I'm fucking sure.
>>73375375
Again, there were states and territories where women always had the right to vote. And Jim Crow laws were primarily a southern thing. Then, as now, the south was relatively poor. You're pointing to the least libertarian parts of the country and connecting that to being worse off economically.
>>73375381
id rather risk a clinton presidency than have america and its ideals die
there are more than two political parties, and revolution has to come
your entire argument against libertarians seems to be mixing the word retard into the word
so le fug off authoritard
>>73375592
Nah, /neopol/ likes big government fucking them in the ass, while they feel safe and secure.
>>73375641
still women couldn't vote, what now?
>>73375381
If the Republican party wanted our votes, they ought to be more libertarian.
>>73375416
When did I say they shouldn't have the right to vote? I said those were a blemishes on a period of time that was otherwise remarkably libertarian.
You do understand that there is more to libertarianism than just voting?
>>73372758
Gary Johnson fucking sucks dick. Open borders piece of shit
>>73375937
rather have open borders than an open door for the government
>>73374885
>80 hour+ work weeks
>children under 10 working in factories
>workers still can't afford to feed themselves
>monopolies
>>73375358
Also, some companies made you give up your right to vote if you wanted to work for them, because of the rising fear of union power.
>>73375718
I'm not sure what you mean. There was no nationwide ban on women voting. It was a state-by-state thing.
>>73376043
>hurr durr
>implying child labor didn't exist in socialist countries at that time
>implying people in nanny state countries could feed themselves
>implying libertarian capitalism has anything to do with those things
>>73375937
I'll take him over Trump.
t. Cruzmissile
>>73376300
>"nanny state" countries existing before 1913
>huur durrrr
>>73376043
>>80 hour+ work weeks
>>children under 10 working in factories
>>workers still can't afford to feed themselves
>>monopolies
You're talking about a different period of time. Most people worked in agriculture. They would work 100 hours when in season, and then have 3-6 months off. The factory workers in the mid to late 1800's showed a steady decline in the number of hours worked well before the passage of any legislation in the early 1900's. The reason for the decline in hours was that people became more productive with improved technology. The same applies to child labor. Very few children worked by the time the laws were passed restricting the practice. It was improvements in the economy that eliminated child labor and limited working hours, not government.
Abusive monopolies can only happen with government backing.
>Also, some companies made you give up your right to vote if you wanted to work for them, because of the rising fear of union power.
Source? How was it enforced?
>>73375381
Fuck you nigga, we vote with our conscience.
Retards like you are the reason two party system is still in place. Choosing lesser evil is for retards.
Also, a lot of Berniebros won't vote for Hilldog, so I think the forces are fairly in balance. Maybe even skewed toward Dolan, I can see more Berniefans not voting for Hillda, than Republicunts for Dumbo.
>>73376410
>Abusive monopolies can only happen with government backing.
meme level garbage. They happened because some companies got too large and used unethical means to get rid of any competition.
You retards pretend that unregulated capitalism is a perfect system that has no flaws.
>>73376410
http://www.history.com/topics/child-labor
>In 1900, 18 percent of all American workers were under the age of 16.
Look, I can use google. It's not that hard.
>>73376043
>>children under 10 working in factories
Also, you should note that, not only was child labor nearly eliminated before laws against it were enacted, most children who did work were simply helping their parents on the family farm. Very few worked in factories.
>>73376028
So let in the third world hordes who are going to vote in exactly that sort of government?
You realize that the reason American politics have swung so drastically left in the last 30 years is because of immigration? California used to be a red state. Reagan won California. Immigration has consequences
This country is currently 60% white and dropping fast. Once these third world populations gain electoral control, do you know how fucking shitty it's going to get? Look at what happened to Detroit.
>>73376649
Look at the trend. >>73376655
IIRC, the national laws against it were part of the New Deal in 1933. Child labor was clearly on its way out before then.
>>73376655
Child labor laws starting passing per state from 1902 to 1918. 1918 was the federal pass, so your numbers did not fall "naturally."
>>73376529
>They happened because some companies got too large and used unethical means to get rid of any competition.
Such as...?
>>73372758
Hey hey hey hey
smoke weed everyday
>>73373916
AP4LP, you fucking nigger
>>73376748
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating%E2%80%93Owen_Act
>>73375305
Nah, just get them out of the country and never let them come back
I hope you get shot by a real polish.
>>73376684
blacks happened to detRIOT, not spics
im not pro open borders, i just think that open borders and small government is better than closed borders and overreaching government
closed borders and small government would be better
The two party system is in place because of the winner take all nature of the electoral system.
>>73376762
Even without the state laws, there was a decline from 1880 to 1900.
The law passed in 1916 was struck down in 1918. There was no federal law that stuck until 1938, says wikipedia.
>>73376859
>the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the law two years later in Hammer v. Dagenhart (1918), declaring that the law violated the Commerce Clause by regulating intrastate commerce.
>>73376848
I meant that as "whoever the LP candidate is". Although I'm not really a fan of AP, since he's shitting on NAP (which is the basis of libertarianism).
But yeah, I think AP would have the best chances to get the republican vote.
>>73376925
Spics are not as bad as blacks, but they're much much worse than whites.
Just look at the kind of governments they elect down south.
>>73376933
There were also temporary state laws as well. The fact is that the industrial revolution in the US was highly exploitative and the benefits of that did not go to improving the wealth of the country. It directly led to the rise of unions and started the progressive movement in the US.
You can't seriously believe that anarchy is a good system?
>>73376925
You can't have open borders when you have a universal franchise democracy
Imagine if Starbucks allowed every customer who wandered through their doors an equal vote on company policy. They would probably be very restrictive on who they let in
>>73377050
im aware of the spic situation, my brother teaches at a public school ran by spics and he tells me stories all the time about how he sees them abusing the system, throwing away the excess food the government supplies them with, living in families under 4-5 different last names to abuse government programs, the government is making spics become a problem though
>>73377109
im not afraid of open borders, i do not think congress would ever let open borders happen
>>73377099
>The fact is that the industrial revolution in the US was highly exploitative and the benefits of that did not go to improving the wealth of the country.
Factory workers were absolutely better off. That's why so many people moved from rural areas to the cities: to work in factories. They had the option of continuing to work on a farm. Revealed Preference.
>It directly led to the rise of unions and started the progressive movement in the US.
None of that is possible without first building a foundation of wealth. Demanding higher wages and shorter working hours without the economic and technological advancements to make workers productive enough to enable a shorter work week is the equivalent of a peasant in the Middle Ages demanding a microwave.
>You can't seriously believe that anarchy is a good system?
The US prior to 1913 was hardly anarchic.
>>73377188
>I'm not afraid of open borders
>>73375381
>This is the single biggest threat to Trump right now. Get the word out. Libertarians need to know there is no room for a third party with the way our electoral system is set up.
Not true. If GJ splits the electoral vote with Trump and no one gets 270, then it goes to the House of Reps, which is 256 R to 188 D. They would confirm whoever the Republican is, because they're party hacks.
And Johnson would mainly just be bringing in new voters, people who were planning to sit out. This would actually be good for the GOP since they'd also add votes for Republican senators and reps.
The 2 states that Johnson would likely win are CO and NV, and Trump is behind there anyway.
If a Johnson made up the conservative 3rd party, then maybe a liberal 4th party would joint too, Bernie Sanders or someone who could win his supporters. Then it might get really crazy.
>>73377109
The US had an open borders policy - with citizenship restrictions - for around 100 years. That's the way it should be. Limit who can be citizens, not who can come.
Why wouldn't sensible libertarians vote for Trump? Are you all open border pro globalizations retards?
>>73377421
Actually immigration policy was explicitly designed not to upset the demographic balance of the country.
Third world races such as Africans and Hispanics were deliberately and systematically displaced to make room for whites
>>73377432
Nothing bad will happen, let them in!
>>73377349
>>73377432
i said im not afraid that open borders will be a possibility, it just wont happen and thats why i dont care about open borders, i support closed borders
>>73377400
>The 2 states that Johnson would likely win are CO and NV
Not New Mexico and Alaska? The LP once hit 11.7% for a presidential race in Alaska.
>>73375381
If I actually had any interest in seeing Trump as President I'd agree with you, but since I think he and Hillary are equally repulsive, I'll vote third party, and encourage others to do so as well.
>>73376300
None of those thing are arguments
>>73377421
No. Then millions of shitskins would flood our streets like Europe. They'd probably rather live here on the streets than whatever shitskin town they come from.
>>73377481
Because almost nothing he wants to do lines up with libertarianism. His policies are all about centralized power.
>>73377497
Chinese were banned around 1872 (not sure of exact date.) The policy of restricting immigration to the demographics of those already here came around 1920. It was open borders prior to 1872. There was no immigration law or enforcement at all.
>>73377574
Let them in! refugee's welcome
>>73377705
And yet the nation wasn't being flooded with 3rd worlders like it is today
So your argument holds no water in the modern scenario
>>73377613
What do you find repulsive about Trump?
>>73377828
Where is this
>>73377903
I don't like either nationalism or populism, and he's all about both.
>>73372758
Open borders cuck who admitted he wants the state to have a heavy hand in enforcing "anti-discrimination" laws, he doesn't think businesses should have ANY right to choose who to serve. in the LP debate he said Jewish business owners should be FORCED to serve Nazis.
Fuck GaJo.
>>73377876
>planes
I'd like to see where you got this idea that America let everyone into their country while not giving them citizenship.
>>73377876
>implying Irish and Chinese weren't third worlders at the time
>>73374376
Singapore, Hong Kong, Switzerland, etc
>>73378006
then leave america?
>>73378100
There are literally no better options, and at least here there is a sizable proportion of the population who agrees with me.
>>73378006
Libertarianism will only exist in a nationalist state. Once you start letting foreigners to come in and divide the country its over. Not only will the country be divided it will be easily influenced with foreign money.
Plus globalization is essentially just communism on a global scale.
>>73378053
Did the Irish and Chinese swell to become 40% of the population?
Then your argument holds no water.
>>73377432
The best part of this video is you can see in the background that the guy who was pouring the accelerant became a human torch as well.
>>73372758
I'll throw my vote away on him again.
>>73378155
>globalization is just communism on a global scale
nigga wut
Lolbertarians need to fuck off and die
Their policies are equally as cancerous to national integrity and western civilization
>>73378155
Remove welfare state, and immigration would be a non-problem.
>Plus globalization is essentially just communism on a global scale.
Also nigga you retarded.
>>73378053
>at the time
They still are.
With every group of mass immigration this country gets worse and worse. That includes potato niggers.
>>73378273
You can hang with me any time, Czech anon
>>73377828
Triggered. My head is going to fucking pop off.
NIGGERS ARE A WORTHLESS CURSE ON THIS PLANET.
>>73377574
Picture included is a PSA.
>>73378190
>>73378273
Protectionism is each individual country competing with each other to further humanity as a whole. Globalism is every country trying to help each other out while lifting other countries out of poverty.
One is competition based
One is not
>>73378360
They'll kill you for the change in your pocket.
It's pathological. They have a mental inability to put themselves in another person's shoes.
>>73378360
These were just spics.
>>73378159
Irish ancestry is still the 2nd most common in the US. 1st is German, 3rd is English.
As a percentage of the population, the US had much, much higher rates of immigration from 1850 - 1920 than it does today.
>>73378444
Your definitions are just wrong. Protectionism is when governments fuck up the market place by placing excessive restrictions on where and when things can be sold. Globalism is just an internationally free marketplace. Countries helping other countries may happen in that system, as the arrangement can ultimately be mutually beneficial, but it's not required, and to claim that a protectionist environment is more competitive is really fucking stupid.
>>73372758
oh god if nobody makes it to 270 there might actually be a fuckin civil war
>>73378444
>Protectionism is each individual country competing with each other to further humanity as a whole
this is what retards actually fucking believe.
>>73378529
>2nd most common
>Whites are only 60%
where are you getting your statistics.
>>73378147
If you dont like nationalism
i suggest you try germany
and you dont like populism
i suggest you try donald trumps bedroom
>>73378251
he said without an argument
>>73378578
civil war will come if the 2nd amendment is revoked
>>73375136
>once all women and blacks were constitutionally protected, massive government with unsustainable spending became an inevitable necessity!
>>73378529
Higher rates of *white* immigration
The critical difference
If you're arguing there will be no detrimental effects to shipping in half of Africa or the Middle East, because we did it with Europeans in the past, you'd be a fool
We are right on the cusp of whites becoming a literal minority in America. Once that happens, there will never again be a Republican elected to high office, unless of course they adopt all the policies of the Democrats.
They'll set up the government as a redistribution scheme, which will invite even more 3rd world immigrants, and this country will capsize like the Titanic. If you want to know the future, just look at South Africa
>>73378649
>open borders
>>73378159
Here, I just threw this together. It's the annual rate of immigration as a percentage of the existing population. Black line is legal immigration, blue line is illegal.
>>73378550
No protectionism works. You can still trade with other countries.
Globalism is free trade where other worse off countries can manipulate your currency while stealing your manufacturing jobs.
Until there is one world wide currency and globalism will not work. Americans can not compete with child laborers in china and not expect to be dragged down to their level.
Globalism is basically socialism. The rich countries are going to be putting money into poor countries economies. its like having a higher tax rate on rich countries just because they are rich. You won't be equal with them until you are as poor as them.
>>73378745
read the thread retard
>>73377188
>>73377576
>>73378622
>not an argument.
Don't lolbertarians like moly
>>73378857
>Immigration was fine in the past
Yeah, and in the past we were bringing in WHITES
>>73377344
>hardly anarchic.
Now you see what happens when you argue with people who oppose Libertarians. They've grown up with such a large government that they believe wanting anything smaller is a desire for anarchy.
>>73378729
The complaints against the Irish at the time were that they were illiterate and predisposed to crime. That was the same argument that was used when the severe immigration restrictions were imposed in the 1920's, this time applied to southern and eastern Europeans and Jews, with the addition of "they took our jobs".
You're not new.
if you disagree with this you are probably not a real american
>>73379080
They weren't all white. The first immigration restrictions were against Chinese, and the southwest was always hispanic.
>>73379112
Bringing in blacks was such a good idea in the past, let's do it on an even bigger scale
>>73379120
None of that horseshit matters. Libertarians are pro-open borders and globalization. That makes them traitors. That means they should be formally, or informally, executed for treason.
>>73378649
Civil war will come when people are unhappy with the current political climate. repealing the second amendment would cause a revolution. We are headed towards civil war, not revolution. Its ten times more likely that we are going to get fed up with each other before getting fed up with the government. Nearly a quarter of our people voted for a fucking socialist.
>>73379026
>it won't happen so I'm not afraid
Irrelevant, It's a core component of the ideology you support
>>73379184
Never said we should "bring them". Also never said they should be given citizenship without restrictions, like a waiting period to prove they can work and stay out of jail.
>>73379112
jews single handedly responsible for our the large crony capitalist government we see today. As well as the spread of degeneracy.
>>73379204
>all issues that define the united states of america dont matter
>2 ideas that some libertarians pick up on matter more
certified retard
>>73379230
revolution now please?
>>73379245
so because the party i agree with more than any other supports something i should disagree with it? when i disagree more with other parties? something i likely don't have to even fear happening?
i support border control policies like that of rand paul
dont "le build a wall", but instead actually improve security
After Ross Perot the system got so stacked against outsiders that a third party has zero chance of winning, even in theory.
>>73379379
>Let the Democrats import millions of permanent left wing voters
Yeah, brilliant strategy mate. Just fuck my shit up
>>73379204
This. I would vote libertarian if they weren't for open borders and globalization. Its like they're retarded sometimes.
>>73379406
Those two issues are what is destroying our country, tearing it apart at the seams, and making the other things trivialities by comparison. The house is on fire. We don't need our accountant, we need some men with firehoses.
>>73379379
Oh now we have to spend money on feeding them when they inevitable go to jail for raping a white women.
>>73379450
How are you not understanding "citizenship restrictions"? If they're working and staying out of trouble, they're not likely to be left wing.
>>73379523
People should work to pay for their own incarceration.
>>73372758
u dumb cunts do realise this libertarian cunt could give the eletcion to hillary if he splits the right
>>73379406
revolution isn't going to happen. Its going to be a civil war. you'll probably side with the lefties too you faggot.
Muh race is a social construct
Muh open borders
Muh globalism that totally works and is currently working right now
>>73379547
That actually looks like Judo
>>73379120
>>73379458
The problem with libertarians is the Non-Aggression Principle. That nonsense ruined them. It's just Jewish nonsense, and our ancestors never believed in that shit. The founding fathers believed in a general idea of liberty, not autistic perfectionism. "Ordered liberty" or "public liberty" is what they called it. They had no problem not extending these principles to foreigners, and fashioning laws to keep foreign subversive types out, which they did.
Libertarians who believe in NAP are fanatical maniacs that can never be allowed to hold power.
>>73379529
Why would you let actual animals just run amock in your society. it doesn't make sense. Why not just not let them in.
What happens when one of these animals has a baby with a citizen. Do we have to grant him citizenship? Do we have to grant his half nigger baby citizenship?
Whats going to stop a army of muslims coming here, pretending to be regular guys then all going jihad.
>>73379570
>A libertarian advocating slavery
never change
>>73379529
>Hispanics
>Not likely to be left wing
If they aren't their children will be. Cubans who've suffered through Communism are more likely to be Republicans. But this is lost by about the 3rd generation. The fact is, these are left wing population groups. They are coming here and imposing their way of life on white people who desire a rather right wing government.
THEY are the aggressors. They are the ones storming a community and electorally conquering it
>>73379752
As I said, you can make citizenship restrictions. Personally, I would grant them citizenship. But I recognize that citizenship is essentially an invitation to a private club. As such, how invitations to new members are given should be decided as a group.
There have been some interesting studies showing that conservative brains base their decisions on fear. It must be a sad existence.
>>73379502
>the other things are trivialities by comparison
so you aren't aware that buisness is dying and leaving america and the debt of the USA is killing it from the inside more than anything?
>libertarians are pro open borders
and it doesnt effect me so why should i care?, just take a look at my political viewpoints above
i clearly have some disagreement with the libertarian party, i wonder if it has to do with open borders, but i have more issues with other parties about things frankly more important
open borders are a problem in europe, muslims dont want to go allll the way over to america to be shitty, europe is RIGHT THERE
they will go to europe first, and if europe falls people will see the error and stop america from going down the same route
and the libertarians being pro globalization thing? i think thats just not true
im not gary johnsons #1 fan as you seem to be stupidly assuming, the only person i agree with 100% is the big rand man himself, and hes out of the situation
>>73379597
>muh race is a social construct
no its not
>muh open borders
how many times do i have to say i oppose open borders
>muh globalism that totally works
i dont and libertarians dont support globalism
like i said im not gary johnsons #1 fan, i dont agree with him on everything, the fact is he has the best chance of restoring liberty to the US
you clearly dont see politics past the idea of >theres my team your team and their team
not everyone thinks the same, and thats the beauty of liberty
>>73379638
thats a whole lot of liberty friend, i cant agree with all things here, but i think this is what
>>73379597
>>73379245
think i think
some issues arent so important to me like immigration, immigration isnt the root of the problems it can bring, they can be fixed, although open borders are dangerous
>>73374729
>women
>47% for hilldog
Is it seriously just
>she's a stronk womyn just like me!
>>73379799
You should keep in mind that, in a libertarian society, you would not go to jail for victimless crimes. You would only be imprisoned for violating someone's rights. Once that is done, you have forfeited your own rights.
Slavery generally refers to the enslavement of an innocent person.
>>73379838
The Republican party has abandoned its adherence to limited government. The choice these days, for those who don't go libertarian, is between economic restrictions with modest social freedom (Democrats) and social restrictions with modest economic freedom (republicans). Since most of them don't earn all that much, of course they vote democrat.
>>73379637
>>73379547
It's called swing.
>>73380073
No, it's because more women are Democrats than men. The split in a theoretically tied election would be women voting 55-45 for Dems, men voting 55-45 for Reps.
>>73380073
Most Republican women don't like Trump, either.
>>73378023
>in the LP debate he said Jewish business owners should be FORCED to serve Nazis.
sounsd good to me
>>73378023
It's funny you actually criticize his lack of enforcement on the border and continued enforcement with the Civil Rights Act. Usually if you're smart enough to understand what's wrong with the Civil Rights Act you can also see what's wrong with border enforcement. Not many people against one and not the other like you except racist authoritarians.
>>73378023
Yeah, that was retarded from Gary. That's actually one issue *all* libertarians can agree on. I think he was just pandering to the dem demographic.
>>73374335
11%? Wow he'll likely win the election.
>11%
>This is the LP's biggest win yet!
Kek
>>73381944
as soon as stump gets the nomination those numbers will increase dramatically
>>73372758
He could do really well this election. The never Trump superpacs will end up funding him and buttblased Bernie cucks will vote for him because all they care about is legalizing weed and gay marriage.
>>73381690
Johnson is concerned with expanding liberty as an end to the extent that he is willing to use unlibertarian means to achieve it. That's not the only issue he's done that on. He wanted federal legislation to legalize gay marriage, for example.
He's far from a libertarian purist, but he's the only one we've got with large scale governing experience. The LP has a few people with legislative experience, but after Johnson, you're probably looking at a small town mayor or head of some commission for governing experience.
>>73381944
You know they get funding and recognition if they get >5%, right?
>>73381944
If he gets 15%, he gets in the national debates.
If he gets in the national debates... who knows what happens. The last time a 3rd party candidate got in the national debates was in 1992, and Perot was winning that race until he dropped out for a few months. Perot only lost because he quit right in the middle of the election. He still ended up with 19%.
>>73382139
The fiscal conservatives might. They can't decide on an alternate candidate and they figure right now it would cost $250 million+ just to get on the ballot. And no guarantee they could even get on in every state.
The Koch brothers are the best bet, I think.
>>73382085
Yeah he might even hit 13%
he will probably hit 15%+ which is all he needs to be included in national debates which will predictably catapult him forward a fair amount
>>73382155
>He's far from a libertarian purist,
Is there really such a thing? Anytime you give somebody rights you have to strip somebody else of their rights. Like with giving liberty o the slaves required taking liberty away from white southerners. You can't actually expand Liberty because it is a zero sum game. You give liberty to one group then another group has to lose theirs.
>willing to use unlibertarian means to achieve it
Yeah that is how things actually have to work. Libertarianism is probably the worst ideology in terms of securing individual rights. The number one thing preventing state and local governments from taking away the rights of individuals is having a powerful federal government that protects individual rights. If it were up to libertarians the niggers would still be slaves and faggots would still be thrown in jail by state and local governments. In 2003 the federal government had to force Texas to legalize homosexuality.
>>73383353
>>73382261
Libertarianism appeals to autistic white males. That is it. Nobody else is interested in it and *never* will be. Period. End of discussion. Case closed.
Everyday another nonwhite enters this country and your chance of living in a Libertarian Utopia drops even further. Fact.
>>73382362
that 250 million is 1/4th of what the democrats raised in 2012. Plus if they use that to campaign hard on some winnable states they could take the vote to congress and Johnson wins. It would be too good to be true.
>>73383954
>libertarianism appeals to autistic white males (seriously white males? don'tbe pathetic there's no need to segregate anymore)
why and how
Nobody else is interested in it? i guess that's why a country, the most powerful country in the world might i add, was founded on it
you said providing no reasoning because you're mentally retarded
>every time you give somebody rights you strip someone else of theirs
or you could you know, not segregate whites and blacks
>giving liberty to the slaves required taking liberty away from the southerners
not really the, the cotton gin was invented so...
>if it were up to libertarians the niggers would still be slaves
no they wouldn't, the cotton gin was invented and global pressure to make the change would be way too much, in the most extreme situation in one state, but still probably not
>faggots would still be thrown in jail by the state
not only would we like i said, get way too much negative press to do something like that, not to mention its against libertarian values
>in 2003 the federal government had to force Texas to legalize homosexuality
and it was better that way, there was an america for everyone, didn't like fags? go to Texas
love fags? settle down in Vermont
libertarianism isn't about giving rights to them
or giving rights to them
its about giving rights to as many people as possible, the best way to do this is to have 50 different states with different rights for different people, most people will find a state they can agree with
its not that hard to figure it out
what happens in Texas will not happen in Vermont in a libertarian america
>case closed i win not making arguments gg lel xd
>everyday a nonwhite enters this country and your chance of living in a libertarian utopia drops even further
>le fact
you said providing no reasoning because you're mentally retarded
you make no point of your own other than "le fuck libertarianism LEL so dumb FACT end of discussion"
and even then you fail at that
>>73372758
ITT unemployed basement dwelling halfwits think johnson will make them employable
>>73372758
is there anyone less informed than libertarians?
>>73372758
free markets, right?
>>73385035
ITT: hard working Americans tired of receiving the short end of the stick and watching their country fall apart, tired of having to choose the "lesser of two evils", tired of being taxed to the point of barely making a steady living, and tired of that money going to things they don't support and even oppose
if you have any retarded points to make before you make them, look up in the thread ive probably already covered it
you can match or you can leave
>it's another FUCK YOU DAD, YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO thread
Libertarians are the Communists of the 21st century, in the sense that they're overly idealistic and insist that any form of free market that doesn't work isn't true Libertarianism.
>>73385303
>any form of free market
>doesnt work
ill let you choose
boot lickers haven't made a sticking point yet
>>73385293
so they'll vote republican anyway?
the same ppl that thought reagan was the savior?
>>73378092
>singapore
>libertarian
In Singapore chewing gum is illegal. So male homosexuality. Doesn't sound like the land of personal freedoms to me senpai.
low taxes and libertarian are not the same things
>>73377400
If "brokered" GE happens, Tump wins, the house of senate has quite more republicans.
>>73385429
trump needs to win the nomination so they dont
its very very likely that gary johnson will reach the 15% he needs to be included which could result in
A)libertarian victory
or more likely
B)a big step forward for libertarianism
either way its happening
these ppl are the problem
they're dumb as fuck
>>73385491
>the house of senate has quite more republicans
exactly?
>>73385544
if pretending to be a retard on a Mongolian finger painting board is your only form of humor then you have to pay the troll toll
Best hope for our country is that someone, be it Gary Johnson or some sort of third party snipes enough states to force the election to the house of representatives.
>>73385512
trump is talking about another yuge gift to the rich
this has been tried over and over for 40 years
where are the jobs?
>>73385706
TROLL TOLL
everyone that thinks trump is the savior this time
he'll turn out to be just like bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
>>73385303
>insist that any form of free market that doesn't work isn't true Libertarianism.
That's not remotely true. The only argument is that it's freedom.
Anything under government control only furthers to corrupt it.
Good.
A lot of my friends are too stupid and weak willed to vote for Trump - Bernie voters all of them - one of them genuinely said, on the confirmation of Bernie's loss, "Well I guess I have to vote for Hillary now, I don't want to but there's no other choice".
These people don't care about the positive angles Trump has to offer, for example they don't see that there are problems to do with immigration and racial integration that are knocking on their doors right this minute. They're unwilling to believe Trump is genuine in his promises about less divisive topics because he's part of the 1%, and the 1% are all corrupt and bad and never did anything good for the world ever and hate everyone else, apart from Elon Musk and Bill Gates they're cool and they understand me and they do cool philanthropic things like Iron Man in that film I like.
Practically the only thing that they're willing to accept is that the political system needs to change and people need to be better represented. They agree that the two party system is flawed but will not accept that Trump is anti-establishment, seeing him as either a wackjob or an evil 1%er.
So I tell them about Gary Johnson instead, and talk about the victory that can be gained by allowing the libertarians the 5% they need to be considered by the FEC. How this is a victory over the establishment and how it will be a milestone in history, a victory over the two party system.
I believe those things, too, at least the sentiment of them. But the better part is that these were all potential Hillary voters - none of them would have voted for Trump - but now Gary Johnson is here and he's going to at least help them stick it to the man! Right? Oh, and he'll take away votes from Hillary...
republicans/libertarians don't care about well educated ppl either
>>73385706
Certainly not in Detroit where they have high tax rates and a burgeoning welfare system to make Sweden jealous
>>73383665
> The number one thing preventing state and local governments from taking away the rights of individuals is having a powerful federal government that protects individual rights.
You couldn't be further from the truth. The incentives of government hurt Liberty the more power is centralized, only with decentralization can you have the competition of ideas necessary to protect individuals through the incentives of competition consequences rather than the incentives of populism and emotion.
Just take the example of a federal minimum wage similar to Australia and then apply it to a state/local level to see the difference in incentives in your mind.
>>73372758
PSA: This post paid for by the Wall Street super PAC supporting Shillary. Fuck off. Sage in all fields.
>>73386406
>be state governments
>No federal governments
>Do shitty job governing your state
>Complete shithole
>everyone leaves to better states
>Actions have consequences, true freedom
>Be state with corrupt federal government
>Federal government can do whatever it wants
>Nothing you do matters because feds will dick you if you fall out of line.
>IMPLYING MODERN PEOPLE KNOW WHAT FREEDOM IS
>>73386020
not even going to bother
you probably would cheered the decision to move production off shore
>>73375937
While I am against his open borders policy, the abolishment of the welfare state would easily deter a lot of illegals.
>>73387233
the only solution for wing nuts is to punish some of the losers
>>73387025
TROLL TOLL, WHATD YOU SAY?
>>73387404
freedom dumbass
freedom to off shore
>>73387233
the biggest problem with illegals is their abuse of the welfare state, take that out of the equation and they will be detered, as will Muslim "refugees"
why do you think they skipped over to germany?
>>73387475
TROLL TOLL
HEY HEY HEY
>>73387404
you believe in their freedom to off shore production , don't you?
>>73387587
TROLL TOLLLLLLLLL
your boy awaits
>>73387668
simple question
freedom to soak the taxpayers and get them to pay part of their employees pay check
>>73387756
confound your lousy toll trollll
the reason they moved outta detroit is because they could
they probably got a gift from the taxpayers for doing it
you libertardians keep defending the rich tho
they need all your help
>>73388225
you gotta pay the troll toll
>>73388225
it's too bad libertardians can can only empathize the rich and not their own family or neighborhood
>>73375381
>Libertarians need to know there is no room for a third party with the way our electoral system is set up.
Well if the repubs had chosen an acceptable candidate, you know one that wasn't a racist, sexist, nationalistic, populist, baseless, pandering, moron, we wouldn't be looking forward to voting libertarian in November. Unfortunately you dumb asses screwed up.
>>73388511
libertardians is a really good argument, its better than the argument "authoritardians"
i love putting tard inside of words with the letter t because it makes for a good argument
Tard Troll, what do you say? Tard Troll, Hey hey hey
>>73388529
Crammed as many meme words into that as you could.
>>73374173
To bear witness
>>73377903
Is that a joke?
>>73389347
they are retarded
>>73389347
even trump understands more than libertardians
>>73373991
President Petersen
>>73389591
good argument
>>73389657
good argument
>>73389716
you know it
>>73372758
I wish. The dude was pretty fucking based as our governor.
while libertardians fanaticize about the technicalities of a free market that never existed
https://beta.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2011/08/12/apocalyptic_crisis_budgeting.html
>>73383954
>Everyday another nonwhite enters this country and your chance of living in a Libertarian Utopia drops even further. Fact.
Not fact, that's FUD.
>>73390170
except it did during some of the peak periods of the USA
troll toll
>>73390319
did it?
>>73389500
Keep fucking ignoring it, I don't care. Enjoy your butthurt in November racist.
>>73391180
This to me is the average Sanders supporters now
> Ugly
> Glasses
> Fat
> Retarded look to them
> Probably smells like tuna or shit
>>73390526
no shit toll troll
>>73391081
good for them, democratic party learning to be democratic
>>73390606
I suppose I will, useful idiot.
>>73391553
cant be costin the austin
>>73391081
Wow Trump needs to mention this.
>>73391885
yes it will make him look like someone who ignores important issues even more
I thought libertarians were just walking memes
>>73373991
President Trump
>>73392047
that's because you're 12 and don't understand politics or america
>>73374258
Ex-libertarian here; I like the non-violence principle but it's unrealistic to expect that mega corporations wouldn't just grow larger given their current starting points. You really think local businesses would suddenly surge to prominence again if you take government away? I don't - the infrastructure would need to go, and it wouldn't be through non-violent means.
>>73392488
which is what labor unions are for?
FEEL THE JOHNSON TRUMPFAGS
>>73392934
what is this?
big government troll tolling for ants?
