So Nationalism was a left-wing, pro democracy, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" movement in the French Revolution.
Conservatives and Reactionaries should be completely against Nationalism, it is leftist. That explains...
Why the Nazis and the Soviets use it. Why Mugabe, Mandela, Ghandi, ect use it. It explains the Wilsonian Self Determination, the IRA stuff, the Palestinian vs Israel stuff.
Why the hell do we promote it in Europe? French vs German vs Polish vs Italian vs British...hell, vs American....why?
Why don't we instead, turn away from both Nationalism and Globalism, and work together as a common culture to combat the hordes of invaders? How about we take pride in our communities, or land, our local traditions instead of worrying about "blood".
If the black guy down the street is fully assimilated, he is an ally in the fight against invasion. Consider him imperialised.
This needs to be a movement that supercedes arbitrary national borders. We need to get back to the pre French Revolution time...where under the Hapsburgs you had a great many cultures and "peoples", not giving a hoot about the flag...but in the common culture.
We can't stave off the invaders, using nationalism...if our governments say that they are our countrymen. We will never win that argument on the invaders grounds.
Let's come together and do this together. Decentralized solidarity. That's what we need.
And to build on that. What exactly do you think can be done to fix this messed up situation? Realistically, we are red pilled, right? What is an actual way forward?
You're right, and even the early US though influenced by the French Revolution also held onto the idea of federalism, and unique state identities .
This was destroyed in the Civil War, the 14th amendment pushed leftist nationalism instead of sovereign individual states with their own identities.
>>73348990
The South was our last hope
>>73349664
Existence
no it isn't. nationalism is unitarian. it seeks to discard the left/right paradigm. this is the part of it that leftists call "fascist."
>>73348168
Thanks for the help, anon.
>>73348168
Untrue and the French Revolution did not birth the idea of nationalism.
Also you got to just fucking love Jewgle.
Well isn't pride in one's community, in one's culture, and in the achievements of one's culture just a form of Nationalism
>>73349817
thats the whole point. It is Unitarian, and thus it strips individual communities of their culture in favor the propaganda that a totalitarian state feeds you.....can you say Lincoln, the Bellamy Salute...the socialist Pledge of Allegiance...Teddy Roosevelts public schools ect.
Nationalism is totally on the left side of the paradigm...just as National Socialism is. Just as International Socialism is.
There is no such thing as right-wing nationalism. Only left wing. They seek to destroy diversity in the name of equality...and worse yet, they pervade the definition of "diversity" to mean trucking in millions of foreign immigrants to destroy culture.
Having the Welsh, English, Scots, Irish, Falklanders, Rhodesians, ect ect ect all under one Crown....that is Right Wing. That is reactionary. That allows for culture and civilization to thrive unhampered.
America before the Civil War. That was rightist. Hell, the Articles of Confederation were the best. 50 separate states all with their own unique traditions, but together in purpose. I'm alright with that.
But this idea of one common language, one common ethnicity, one common ect is so freaking leftist its ridiculous. And we are falling into the leftist trap.
Why do you think neo-nazis are on the rise?
We have to take back the churches. Get rid of the Vatican Council II. Take back the Anglican Church. Toss the homosexuals out of the church, strip the women of their pastoral status. Restore traditional society within white culture. The Protestant and the Catholics and the Orthodox and everyone need to look past their theological differences....
Then we crusade.
and to the >>73351456
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_nationalism
"Left-wing nationalism describes a form of nationalism based upon social equality, popular sovereignty, and national self-determination.[1] It has its origins in the Jacobinism of the French Revolution.[1] Left-wing nationalism typically espouses anti-imperialism. "
>>73351835
The difference is, it is inclusive rather than exclusive. You don't hate and distrust the town down the road...and you aren't rabid about ruling yourself and only yourself. As long as you are all connected by common culture, then its all good.
When the King of England, the Kaiser of Germany, and the Tsar of Russia are all related....there really shouldn't be any need for war (but yea know...nationalism).
I'm advocating for supranationalism. Look it up, its rightist.
>>73348168
Yes, traditional nationalism is in opposition to Empire. However, empire has always been right wing, and hierarchical until the modern inversion of internationalism and globalism--that is the new "Empire" and it's left wing. Nationalism, whatever it is now, is still in opposition to empire, but this time it's a left wing egalitarian empire.
>>73351950
>"Left-wing nationalism describes a form of nationalism based upon social equality, popular sovereignty, and national self-determination.[1] It has its origins in the Jacobinism of the French Revolution.[1] Left-wing nationalism typically espouses anti-imperialism. "
Yeah no shit you searched "Left-wing nationalism" dumbass.
>>73352218
I'm not opposed to Empire. It's hierarchical, is founded on tradition, and is orderly.
I'm against Nationalism. Which is fucking degenerates breaking away from Empire because of "muh people...muh self determination....muh democracy"
>>73352156
The monarchs were related, but again we see the example of the Global Elites. Most people are not elites, most people will never accomplish anything great. When the town down the road is raping the women of your race, and murdering the men hat do we do? Do we just accept the fact that we are all humans, or do we fight to preserve what keeps us unique. I like the idea of Supernationalism or Ultra-Nationalism but I think racialism is also important too.
>>73352290
https://mises.org/library/liberty-or-equality-challenge-our-time
If you want a more scholarly read, you can give this free PDF a try.
I searched "left wing nationalism"...because the fucking internet thinks that nationalism and the national socialists were somehow rightist. They weren't.
If you read the book i linked, you'll see that.
The author is excellent.
>>73348168
Nationalism is a transition phase. Look:
> Evola wrote about the two types of nationalism. The first type is quite populist, actively uses the concept of a nation, constantly builds their rhetoric on this concept, but does not seek to go beyond notions of liberal democracy, not try to find a purely nationalist alternatives for the development of society and plays a role of nationalist vanguard in the company of liberals and socialists (We can observe such situation in the number of European countries). The other type, in contrast, longs to establish of non-illiberal and non-socialist order, recovering of aristocratic principles of society, becomes a kind of traditionalist engine, leads to the recovery of traditionalism in society. De facto, the first type of nationalism stands against the Tradition itself and hence is dangerous for nationalism and traditionalism. He points to the the path, which leads to elimination of a nation, socialist and liberal ideas are seek to the cosmopolitan world. This is the way of national destruction, this type of "nationalism" has no soul, it exists between the parliamentary elections. Therefore Evola rejects the first type, opposing him the second type as a viable alternative.
http://ukrainiancrusade.blogspot.com.br/2015/03/two-ways-of-nationalism-by-julius-evola.html
>>73352569
It's an idea that does not fit within left-wing or right-wing paradigms.
>>73352384
So am I. I am against nationalism in Russia, China, North American, etc. However, Europe is not an empire. Imperialists are ATTEMPTING to make it one, and at the same time displacing native populations. However, instead of an existing group within the territory attempting to create cultural hegemony over the other nations, they are importing foreigners, and promoting egalitarian multiculturalism. This is contradictory to empire, which means they don't actually want an empire. They simply want to destroy national sovereignty without instituting imperialism, which is the same as promoting anarchy.
They are doing everything by the book if you simple wanted to create chaotic failed states and war. It's nihilistic destruction, not empire. It may be empire is the Muslims take over, but that would be total conquest rather than the hegemony of an existing European nation.
>>73348168
Patriotism is not nationalism dumbass :DDD
>>73348168
This sounds like something written by Kuehnelt Leddihn or Evola.
The way I see it:
Liberty = liberalism/libertarianism
Equality = socialism/communism/anarchism
Fraternity = nationalism/fascism
All of the main ideologies today arose from the French Revolution.
trump is a Christian nationalist
>>73352556
Elites are rightist. It's hierarchy, that yes, not everyone can be born into. That builds stability and wealth and prosperity. Hierarchy is the opposite of equality...something utopian and leftist.
When the town down the road is raping women of your "race" and murdering the "men"....you realize that if it is the townsfolk down the road, they are probably of your race. And if they aren't, they likely not of your culture, and you have no common connection with them at a supranationalist level (not supernationalist).
But even if you did, you round up your militia, and you kill those motherfuckers. Simple.
You don't isolate yourself from the rest of the Empire and declare your sovereignty. You take care of the issue, and move on.
It's the Hapsburg and McCoy question. Go ahead and feud, but don't resort to leftist nationalism.
Racialism is unimportant. Sure, there is hierarchy, and race can be apart of that structure (if we colonize africa, white people are more civilized and richer, and they will be the elite...but if some african rises up and is generally equal in merit and civility to you...treat him as such. Why not? You've successfully domesticated him.
also >>73352849
and >>73352996
Yes, it's Kuehnelt Leddihn.
At first I thought you were retarted until I read your replies and realize you're talking about nationalism taking over individualism--particularly state's rights.
And I agree, but I think its too late. Texas might be the only state remaining that still has some sense of not giving a fuck about nationalism. Leftists have won the narrative so hard that everyone from neoconservatives to even a good amount of libertarians see benefits of nationalism.
Our best bet against leftism right now is Trump and he is absolutely a nationalist. And if the nationalist proposes a restrictive immigration policy and heavily promotes a classical American identity (populism) then for now, is it not a good idea to stick with it?
>>73353110
>Racialism is unimportant. Sure, there is hierarchy, and race can be apart of that structure (if we colonize africa, white people are more civilized and richer, and they will be the elite...but if some african rises up and is generally equal in merit and civility to you...treat him as such. Why not? You've successfully domesticated him.
cuck politics 101. Throw it all away because some nigger can throw a spear. This is why nobody takes your idea seriously.
>>73352794
you are spot on.
but i would point out that instead of being "nationalists"...that we unite under supranationalsim, all of christian/western civilization fighting against this nihilist/egalitarian imperialism together....united by our common tradition, faith, culture, morality, ect.
While skin color is apart of that tradition, a part that we should not be ashamed of in any way. If the british sihks or the american blacks, or the hungarian gypsies want to link arms and fight off this menace...lets do it.
We can deal with our european/american degeneracy problem once we stop the invasion.
>>73353110
Well the town down the road is a third world shithole. Look at London or Paris, and several US cities which have experienced White Flight.
>>73353171
I agree.
And i hope i didn't come off as retarded.
By the way, I am the OP....I am just using a different computer right now.
>>73353110
Western whites don't think this way anymore. That's why there have been precisely ZERO pogroms in response to Muslim violence in western Europe. The attitude you describe only works for people that have not had racial instincts forced out of their minds.
The simplest way to see if this has happened or not is to ask whether a Pakistani with a foreign passport could claim to be an ETHNIC national of that country, and whether the people of the country would accept him as such. In Britain, they would. In France, they would. In Poland, they would not. In Hungary, they would not. In Japan, they would not.
This is not an intellectual issue. It's intuitive.
>>73353110
Nobility systems and hierarchy cannot exist or function without another system of noblesse oblige superimposed onto it.
>>73348168
>Why don't we instead, turn away from both Nationalism and Globalism
because they are basically two opposing ends of a spectrum, you can have a bit of both or none of one, but you can't have none of both
>>73353488
awesome. so lets take the fucking city back. It doesn't mean kill every single person in the city. There are plenty of friendlys there. that is the point.
It isn't all of ireland vs all of england. if you have an ira problem. join up with the local peoples in unity and fuck up the ira
>>73353264
You really are stupid.
>>73353724
the entirety of the pre-enlightenment christian civilization disagrees with that statement
>>73352156
>I'm advocating for supranationalism
You're advocating for the EU?
fuck off, cunt
>>73353724
>you can't have none of both
You can. It's called tradition. Read Moldbug and other essential neoreaction (aka the "alt-right" before it became a trendy meme).
>>73353796
He's arguing for something more along the lines of the Confederate States of America
>So Nationalism was a left-wing, pro democracy, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" movement in the French Revolution
Stay in school idiot
Theres a big difference between ethnic nationalism, which is natural & what all of us refer to when we say nationalism
And the hard left concept of civic nationalism, which is what you are allowed to be today.
>>73353264
cuck-a-doodle doo;
its not my fault your mother botched her abortion. Now go away before your stupidity rubs off on anyone.
>>73353757
Stupid, eh? You want to try and play the "there's no point in racialism" card without understanding the fundamental points of society at large.
You simply cannot ignore the racial aspect of society because it exists in the psyche of man. What are you going to do, pretend like the Leftists do today like it doesn't? That's working out really well for them, race relations haven't been this bad since the fucking 50's.
>>73353777
how so?
>>73353937
Multiracialism works out for all your "enlightened" societies right? India worshipping shit eater.
>>73353796
hell no im not.
the eu is not, in any way, supranationalist. that is purely a one state european nationalist egalitarian marxist institution.
if i wanted the eu, i would say so.
i want pre-enlightenment europe back
>>73348168
You contradict yourself several times in your own stupid post. I'd like to debate your position but you appear to be retarded.
>>73354039
really?
I'm saying that the Catholic world, before the Protestant Reformation, should join together to destroy Islam.
And they did, regardless of "nation".
Unfortunately, they didn't finish the job.
And if a indian wants to become catholic and live in Europe, fine. He is a friend, not an enemy.
To reject defectors is idiotic.
>>73354135
where,how.
lets talk about it.
if im not clear on something, give me the chance to fix my mistake.
>>73354030
>>73354183
like that
>>73354039
Europe is unique in its inability to incorporate the genetics of other races. It's really just an accident of genetics that European phenotypes are so recessive. I think China currently has an advantage in this respect. Han are 1/5 of the world's population, and possess a decent amount of dominant genes. They can weather a degree of mixing without suffering social breakdown. This is not possible in Europe, which is why immigrants should have never been allowed in.
>>73354183
You don't understand how racialism works. You want to pretend like a nigger moving to Britain will adapt and "belong" to their culture.
Maybe the first few do, maybe the second generation does to an extent. Eventually more of them appear and they will stick together as has every ethnic, cultural, and racial group done throughout history without fail.
They don't "spread out" over a nation but clump together in tightly knit communities. These communities start to expand and sooner or later they grow or they get wiped out.
>>73354009
no, you don't pretend it doesn't exist. but you allow for genuine defectors to become friends. thats the whole point of imperialism and colonization, right? To spread civilization.
If you refuse to believe it can spread, then what is the point of any of this? We will never win.
>>73348168
>liberty, EQUALITY, fraternity is bad
>hey guys you need to consider this nigger as your equal, he shares your culture!
No, he does not. Culture is an expression of ethnicity.
>>73354405
>but you allow for genuine defectors to become friends.
And then you open the flood gates a la modern day Europe.
>thats the whole point of imperialism and colonization, right? To spread civilization.
And it completely failed.
>>73354183
>>73354279
>regardless of "nation"
the catholic world was also a nation, see it as the Euro of that time and you'll understand what I mean
>>73354374
no, if he moves to britian, he will only adapt and belong to the culture if the culture is present.
british culture, today, is that cultural marxist shit....and thats what they are. Look to the victorian era, you won't see that shit.
You had sihks and blacks volunteering to die for the Empire.
>>73354409
>No, he does not. Culture is an expression of ethnicity.
Culture goes hand-in-hand with ethnicity. Imagine a bunch of Englishmen migrating to Mexico and "becoming Mexican" as they say. I guarantee they'd be treated with distrust.
Now imagine more and more Englishmen start migrating to Mexico and "adapting" to your culture. Before you know it there are pockets of Englishmen all over the place and eventually they just stop trying to "adapt" because they don't have to anymore because there's such a group of them that have a foot hold there's no reason to "belong" to the native community.
>>73354598
>no, if he moves to britian, he will only adapt and belong to the culture if the culture is present.
That's a ridiculous stretch of imagination that has been proven false by reality. Enoch Powell was right.
You're essentially correct, but national-socialism is the only way to cleanse the Kali Yuga and rebirth the world of tradition.
t. esoteric hitlerite
>>73354409
nonononono, inequality is what we are looking for here.
but if the black guy is way fucking richer, more powerful, totally immersed in your culture, and identifies as british (lets say he hates backward ass africa and loves rudyard kipling)...
then he is way higher on the social latter than some peasant ass white guy.
>>73354652
so you are against the Emperor of Mexico, the European...because he wasn't a fuckin mexican?
How about the Spanish?
The British and French in North America?
The best culture will win.
We have the best culture. We pound it into their fucking heads like we do with the american indians...or we go to war with them, like we did with the american indians.
>>73354652
You, I like you.
>>73354748
>inequality is what we are looking for
>so you should embrace foreigners as equals given some bullshit circumstances
>>73348168
Counter-Revolution When?
>>73354748
>then he is way higher on the social latter than some peasant ass white guy.
That proves a failure in the native society to develop the individual character of the national racial citizen.
If importing foreigners to grow your society is the answer have fun being outcasted and watching your society claw itself to death.
>>73354897
>The best culture will win.
That simply isn't true. The myth that the "strong will prevail" is false thinking. The Wehrmacht were stronger in every way imaginable compared to the Red Army but were simply ground down to dust by never ending waves of assaults.
>>73354652
Culture is inherited, but it is not exactly genetic. If you were adopted, but where physically close enough so as to be indistinguishable from your adoptive society, you would be inculturated without being the wiser. This would happen even with very genetically distant groups, so long as they looked alike.
Psychology causes cultural cohesion. It's how a tribe could assimilate the women and even children of a defeated tribe. Radical physical differences limit the plasticity of our psychological connections for probably evolutionary reasons. But this meme about race=culture are a bit simplistic, but for the purposes of most discussions I guess it's adequate for what people are concerned about at the present time.
>>73355021
>Culture is inherited, but it is not exactly genetic
I agree with this to an extent.
>Psychology causes cultural cohesion.
You make it sound as if we can escape Psychology. With my previous example an Englishman will always be different living in Mexico than those around him regardless if he was raised by them or not.
The boy raised by wolves is still a boy or did you miss out on that vital lesson in the Jungle Book?
>>73354914
no, embracing foreigners is ridiculous
but your black neighbor down the street who is 100% americanized is totally different than the hood rat in the city.
different culture.
one lives in yours, the other has stuck with his.
they are no better than the invaders.
same goes with trashy ass whites...they are degenerates. no better than any fucking invader.
its about culture, not race. Because guess what. Whites are our biggest obstacle here people!
>>73348168
>How about we take pride in our communities, or land, our local traditions instead of worrying about "blood".
Congratulation, you have found the definition on nationalism, now get yourself a lollypop.
It has been scientifically proven that ethnic regional organization is better than diversity, because diversity destroys trust and social coherence.
You are a leftist if you deny human tribalism. Diversity is 20s century divide and conquer, the reason why your utopia is never gonna happen
>>73355131
>but your black neighbor down the street who is 100% americanized is totally different than the hood rat in the city.
"Americanized" but still totally different and the fact you make the distinction continues to prove this. No matter what you do the other race will still exist and you can never beat this out of human psyche.
>same goes with trashy ass whites...they are degenerates. no better than any fucking invader.
This is precisely why I despise your pestilent ideology rooted entirely in traitorous intellectualism and elitism. You'd see your entire people waste away so long as your Uncle Tom's buy themselves a nice house and watch golf with you.
>>73355131
>people from another race
>not foreigners
in the context of america where they are technically not foreigners
>implying black american culture is the same as white american culture
>>73355115
now the jungle book lesson is one that i had not considered. very good point.
but i would add this. In real life, when they found a "natural" boy who came in from the wild, he was beyond fucked up, and they couldn't repair him. He was not recoverable.
You inhererit and learn your culture, theLockes blank slate.
The Man-Cub might look like a man, but he acts like a cub...and you can't unteach that.
You make absolutely no sense.
Right-wing has always been nationalism.
It's called "CONSERVatism" for a reason.
>>73355327
>You inhererit and learn your culture, theLockes blank slate.
Yes I'm not disagreeing with this but racialism still plays a role within this.
>The Man-Cub might look like a man, but he acts like a cub...and you can't unteach that.
But he is still not a Cub he is a "Man-Cub", he will never be fully integrated and never fully fit in no matter how hard you try. He simply will do nothing but serve as a potentially divisive element within your society.
What happens if more Man-Cubs start arriving? Eventually they'll drop the Cub and just start acting like Men and now you've got yourself a real problem on your hands.
So what "culture" does everyone here belong to that they're so intent on preserving? What, like you miss your fashion circle from high school and want to bring emo back? Or you're just really psyched about strip malls and Cracker Barrels? Don't tell me you're a rabid nationalist for American egalitarianism.
>>73355179
What is diversity? Ask yourself that.
It means that people are different. That i am better than you. And someone else is better than me.
I'm sorry to tell you, no matter how much you hate diversity, equality is a myth. Equality is leftist. Diversity is inheriently rightist.
Now, if that means that white people are better than other races, so be it. But I tend to look at people as individuals rather than groups...because some of the biggest fucking niggers that i've met have been white trailer trash.
>>73355115
>You make it sound as if we can escape Psychology.
I didn't mean to suggest that at all. There seems to be absolutely no way to avoid social destruction of the kind Putnam (Harvard) outlines if you have significant physical variation in a group. Historically, this has been remedied by (1) separatism and the eventual creation of ethnic territories ie nation states, (2) mixing, and the creating of a new ethnicity ie Turkey, or (3) the annihilation of one group.
A combination of 2 and 3 can also happen, like seems to have happened in Japan a few thousand years ago.
>>73355436
You sir don't know a thing about pre-enlightenment history
>>73355491
Everyone know thats the American culture was founded entirely on European Colonialism. Have you read our Constitution? We are a society of Settlers and Europeans which is precisely how our entire society was frame worked.
Look at all the endless problems that have arisen now that we've decided anyone can be an American so long as they "assimilate" which we are now realizing will never happen.
>>73355436
Nationalism in the Austro-Hungarian empire was not a right wing philosophy. The term "nationalism" originally referred to would-be nation states that wanted to break from imperial control, and become...nations...thus 'nationalism'.
>>73355599
American culture was founded by a bunch of puritanical Christians that were exiled from Europe for not being nationalist enough.
>>73355582
>separatism and the eventual creation of ethnic territories ie nation states
And these have grown to be the most powerful of all.
>mixing, and the creating of a new ethnicity ie Turkey
Which leads to instability and social chaos, look at Turkey today.
>the annihilation of one group.
Which is an inevitably if you attempt to interrupt (1).
>>73355599
the problems weren't all that bad when we were only letting europeans in...the people who assimilated well.
Look what happened with blacks and mexicans.
It didn't matter if they were british or german...they fit in well in America. That is my point.
It doesn't matter what country. It matters about the culture.
>>73355491
Oh look it's the "white people have no culture" meme. It only looks like we have no culture because you take it for granted. Things like civilization, philosophy, science, being polite, not shitting in the middle of the road, etc. are all part of white culture.
this post is just...
just...
So jewish man, what happened?
>>73355806
THANK YOU SIR!
My point is, lets not say that only the English are sufficiently white, or the italians, or the germans.
We all share in the same civilization. Lets protect it together instead of this nationalist shit.
The racial angle is....yea, we are gonna be 95% white...but if a few other fellas wanna tag along, why say no?
>>73355806
Many of those advancements were made by people who were persecuted by their respective cultures.
>>73355706
>American culture was founded by a bunch of puritanical Christians that were exiled from Europe for not being nationalist enough.
Agreed to an extent. If you read a lot of early American literature you find that it was a new ideology based upon the idea of the "Settler" and "Starting Anew", I agree though there were heavy religious connotations in this new mindset though.
>>73355728
>>73355728
>It didn't matter if they were british or german...they fit in well in America. That is my point.
But why is this? Because those ethnic groups share a common bond via their European ancestry, culture, and even ethnic stock. Europeans settling in America were united by a common ideal as well as common racial stock.
>It doesn't matter what country. It matters about the culture.
Countries are irrelevant yes but culture cannot fundamentally exist without the racial element. America represented the combination of European Brotherhood and it is now struggling due to its rejection of its foundation principles.
This happened before you know with Rome.
>>73355911
The Falkland Islands are Sovereign British Territory
>>73355707
Theoretically, if new genes are introduced in extremely small quantities, at an extremely slow pace--organic evolution--a population could change without much violence. But state sponsored multiculturalism and mass immigration makes that impossible.
>>73348168
Nationalism isn't a treat that's left or right, it's just an incorrect assumption.
>>73355980
>We all share in the same civilization.
But we don't. Although I do share your sentiment of brotherhood but nationalism does not mean hatred that is a relatively modern Left-wing application of the term.
>but if a few other fellas wanna tag along, why say no?
It doesn't work that way and modern society is proving it.
>>73356068
>a population could change without much violence.
Change right under peoples noses, true but then again you are assuming quite a lot there.
>But state sponsored multiculturalism and mass immigration makes that impossible.
This is simply the more realistic way to look at it because this is how it's normally done. One tribe invades another, state sponsored or not it's the same story with the same end result.
>>73356105
Give me a pre-enlightenment instance of right wing nationalism.
>>73356188
Is the English battle cry, "For God, King, and Country!" Not including right wing nationalist tendencies?
>>73356177
But we do. It's like America was before the Civil War. Each state is very different, but we are united in purpose.
Europe is united in Civilization.
And it does work that way...there just isn't very many few converts.
I look to Milo as a fag who is on our side. Would you exclude him simply because hes a fuckin homo (ok maybe,yea) but you get my point
>>73356266
No, because the crown encompassed a shit-ton of the world landmass...it wasn't specific to only the area of England, excluding Wales.
That is exactly what i am advocating for. If you want to call it Nationalism...then you are using the wrong term...but that is what it is.
>>73356177
>Change right under peoples noses
I think it's wrong to apply the emotion of small time frames to issues of evolution. A lot of good cam in the long term since the Yayoi migrated to the Japanese archipelago, and mixed with the Jomon. It probably worked out because the Yayoi may have raised the average IQ of the islands, and eventually a great culture developed.
Genetic dispersion is only bad (by the standards of a civilized people), which less advanced peoples displace more advanced ones. The average IQ of Europe is being lowered right now, but I simply don't think it would be a bad thing if 100 million people's worth of European DNA suddenly "enriched" subsaharan Africa.
All change is not equal.
>>73356316
>I look to Milo as a fag who is on our side. Would you exclude him simply because hes a fuckin homo (ok maybe,yea) but you get my point
I see what you're getting at but again I only agree to an extent with this position. Overly flaunting sexuality is a sign of insecurity and frankly should never be encouraged. But homosexuality can't be compared with racialism.
They are simply too different. Homosexuals don't build a nation the same way a racial group does (well, maybe. Looking at you France).
>Europe is united in Civilization.
It's funny you mention this but fascists like Oswald Mosley actually advocated for a "European Union" of sorts that would protect and safe-guard the ethnic cultures of the individual nations that build the Union while promoting European Brotherhood.
Mosley understood that you simply could not ignore the racial element though. An Englishman knows that better than anybody honestly.
Pretend it is the year 1900, and this muslim invasion is happening in Great Britain.
I want not only the white British, but the different races of the British Empire, all united, to fuck up the muslims.
That is not nationalism. That is supranationalism.
Instead of the British Empire (which doesn't exist) I'm calling for the Christian Empire, which is essentially decentralized and spread out accross many countries.
Come together and kick ass.
>>73348168
>We need to get back to the pre French Revolution time...where under the Hapsburgs you had a great many cultures and "peoples", not giving a hoot about the flag...but in the common culture.
Except this is a literal lie; the Hapsburgs suffered regional rebellion moreso than any other empire due to their vast array of cultures. The dissolution of their nation can pretty much be attributed to the collectivism of their conquered races, which turned into respective countries matching race.
The strongest nations allow influx of outsiders, but punish them equally as full citizens. You don't see people complaining about the number of Asians in America, because when they act illegally they are punished equally.
The hatred for Islam in Germany and Sweden comes from countless reports of crimes by Muslims that are given free pass or excuse by the government.
Give it a few years. Muslims will be treated equally before the law for good and bad. Stop sperging.
>>73356546
>Yayoi migrated to the Japanese archipelago, and mixed with the Jomon
How racially different were these two groups? I imagine both being Asiatic there were differences but not the profound differences between an Asian and an African.
>Genetic dispersion is only bad (by the standards of a civilized people), which less advanced peoples displace more advanced ones.
Agreed to an extent.
>but I simply don't think it would be a bad thing if 100 million people's worth of European DNA suddenly "enriched" subsaharan Africa.
This was tried and it worked at first but failed in the long term. Let the story of Rhodesia prove the concept of culture cannot exist without a racial element.
>>73356755
Haha, or you can point to WW1 and Wilson breaking the Monarchy. There is always that.
The idea of Nationalism had already tainted the Hapsburgs in the time you are talking about.
Go back a few hundred years. It's a bit more calm. Feudalism.
>>73356910
>Feudalism
Which curbed the individual horrifically and was established on ridiculous notions of familial lines that did not always work out for the best.
>>73357020
Aww, ain't that cute. You went to public schools.
Great thread. Learned a lot reading through the discussions.
>>73357067
I agree with your ideas of hierarchy and I confess that not all things Monarchism were bad, however, the thing I stand firmly against is this "caste" idea.
Come at me /Pol/
You're only complaint that you are hinging on is that you want this to be a nationalist movement...meaning you only want white people...but since white people are different...you only want your countrymen...but since your countrymen are highly fragmented into different ethnicities, religions, traditions, ect....if you work nationalism down to its logical extreme, you end up with just yourself.
Get rid of that blue pill bullshit, swallow the cold hard truth...
If we want out of this, we need to work together.
>>73354183
>should join together to destroy Islam
That wasn't even declared as a goal of crusades
>>73357232
Caste, if reformed to be liberal (as in freedom)...would be a great form of hierarchy and extremely localized government....
the key is following jeffersons advice and making the leaders of the caste to be the natural elite...the best among the community
>>73357239
You're looking at it through the lens of an American. In Europe it's far more evident regarding ethnic and racial lines.
But even the American was united solely through the concept of European Expansionism.
>>73357266
I know, i was not writing a fucking history book.
You know what i was implying.
>>73357349
I agree with you on this point actually.
>>73356821
Jomon were related to Melanesians--basically a pre-racialized, early migratory population of humans. They were radically different from the cold weather tribes of northern Asia.
What I'm really getting at it that it's wrong-headed to be worried about whether there will be "white people" in 5000 years. Often, I think people lose perspective as the (rightly) struggled against dispossession and displacement in the present. I am all for limiting, shrinking, and ultimately doing away with the lesser races of the world if it's a choice between that and being overrun by them. Personally I think that would happen naturally if we simply stopped feeding these people, and letting them interact with our economies. However, I actually think it would be horrifying if say Europeans and East Asians deviated for 10000 years of forced separation and become separate species. I can accept that maybe in that amount of time, the peoples of Eurasia may very well be mixed into a new race. It doesn't frighten me. But I'm not in favor or race mixing per se. Does that make sense?
>>73357465
>I can accept that maybe in that amount of time, the peoples of Eurasia may very well be mixed into a new race. It doesn't frighten me. But I'm not in favor or race mixing per se. Does that make sense?
It would be out of our hands 10,000 years from now whatever our opinions today haha.
>>73357349
>the best among the community
My concern is usury which is what destroyed the American Idea.
>>73357465
fuck that white genocide shit
>>73357609
That is a minute issue that can be solved pretty easily if necessary.
But regardless, its better than all the fucking taxes and shit we pay today to big brother
>>73356821
>And I would argue that Africa would be better off had Europeans decided to either mix with Africans, or wipe them out. One or the other. But bifurcated societies will inevitably collapse.
If Europeans were high fertility, and didn't allow immigration into Europe, and instead spread around the world, and fucked everything that moved, we would have a higher global average IQ right now, and all of the associated social, political, and economic correlations that come with it.
Perhaps the Chinese will do it right now that it's their turn. I hope they don't let the "provincials" into the mainland though.
>>73357614
Ten THOUSAND years. You're a small-minded little nothing if you can't think that far out.
I said I was all for protecting what ours in the here and now, but not to be deluded about the longer term destiny of the human species.
https://mises.org/library/liberty-or-equality-challenge-our-time
I wanted to post this again. Read it people.
>>73357239
Whatever. I'm fine with other Americans of European descent. I'm not even that bothered by the niggers. I mean I don't like the niggers, but they've always been our burden, since day one. We know how to handle them. They can be contained.
What I am not fine with is the return of the Indians, our sworn enemies. They call themselves "Mexican" and "Hispanic" and "Latino" now, but they're just fucking Indians, and I'm not going to be told otherwise by the tolerance police. Our people have been fighting Indians for hundreds of years. And there's no good goddamn reason to stop now.
If nationalism will rekindle the Indian Wars, then I am a nationalist. If Suck-A-Dickism would rekindle the Indian Wars, then I'd be a Suck-A-Dickist. The nationalists want to fight the Indians. Therefore, I am with them.
>>73357537
I know, I just think a sense of deep time can add perspective to the REAL stakes of all of this. It's actually BIGGER than the anti-white genocide folks say. I'm worried about 80 IQ people ruling the world, and having the nuclear launch codes after they repopulate formerly high IQ societies.
>>73348168
>liberalism and conservatism are constant ideologies not relative to the country of discussion
OP, the conservatives used to be liberal and as time passed their ideology was soon to be considered old and conservative, relative to the new ideas in the country. Lft, right, liberal, conservative, those are words that describe the relation of political ideas to one another, they are not the description of the political ideas themselves. Just their relation to one another.
>>73357889
Which is why I firmly argue that the racial element should never be ignored.
>>73357874
The indians are not of our culture.
I see no reason why we shouldn't do what I am proposing for Europe to do to Islam....for America to the Indians.
Now, I had a friend who was an Indian who always wanted to play cowboy as a kid when we played cowboys and indians...he used to say "fuck them damn engines"...he loved cowboy movies.
I think he should be on our side...because he is on our side.
That is why racialism is too simplistic.
>>73352156
>supranationalism
So the EU? The UN?
>>73357915
Totally relevant. Just because the meanings change, it doesn't mean shit.
Liberal - Liberty
Conservative - Traditional
Reactionary - Hierarchies/Inequality
We can have all 3.
>>73358078
>I think he should be on our side...because he is on our side.
Because he was surrounded not by other Indians but by Europeans.
If more Indians started pretending to be Europeans eventually it would reach a point where the Indians would begin to question this costume and start preaching their own group idea.
American blacks for example have been doing this since the 60's.
>>73357239
>if you arbitrarily make something more extreme, it becomes extreme!!
Brilliant.
>>73358142
No the CSA
>>73358142
hey dumbass, i've answered this before.
No.
The EU and UN are internationalist globalist, one world order, egalitarian marxist bullshit.
I'm talking like the British Empire spanning over every continent, with everyone identifying as British.
I want Christian Civilization identify as Christian, and purge the filth.
>>73348168
>conservatives should be against nationalism because its left wing
my god you are fucking retarded
conservatism isnt right or left wing, its about preserving the traditional values and beleifs of a nation
in the case of the USA
that is liberty, constitutionalism, and nationalism
>>73358248
Luckily we don't have to worry about that...because he would have his hatchet in hand against the enemy, not against us.
Why stop him?
>>73358293
Yes, much more like the CSA or the Articles of Confederation.
>>73358173
Funny because liberty is a traditional American value.
>>73356188
Italy under Mussolini.
Chile under Pinochet.
>>73358323
http://anarcho-monarchism.com/what/
>>73358461
It's hollowed out severely the last 40 years.
>>73358526
I did say pre-enlightenment fuckbait..
but, musolini and the fascists were leftists. Get over it.
>>73358618
Fuck off Ahmed
>>73358526
How the fuck is 1970-90s pre-enlightenment?
>>73358461
aannnnddd? Whats your point?
>>73358735
thats what I'm sayin, my kangaroo fuckin friend.
>>73348168
You know that the extremist form of nationalism is fascism, which is on the far right end of the political spectrum, right, cunt?
>>73358755
Well, if liberalism is to be defined as liberty, and not the discussion of new ideas despite established traditional values, then liberals and conservatives would be on the same page. But what I think is that there is no point in having both words if liberal and conservative mean the same concept. And instead it would be more logical to think of liberalism as new ideas and conservatism as traditional values, thus to give proper use to the word liberal.
>>73348168
The left very quickly morphed from liberalism to socialism.
>>73358921
You know that, that is post-ww2, soviet/us leftist propaganda?
National socialism and internationalist socialism is leftist, either way.
The french revolution, was leftist.
nationalism. is leftist.
What, is mugabe and ghandi rightist now too? How about mandela?
Don't believe everything you read.
Just because you like jackin off to pictures of ayran boys in their hugo boss...doesn't make them right wing.
Militancy is just as left wing.
Authoritarian is right wing. Totalitarian is left wing.
The differences are important.
>>73359146
you are confusing liberalism to mean the modern definition.
you are also confusing revolutionary with reactionary.
We are conservative liberal reactionaries.
>>73359152
Thomas Paine Liberalism is leftist (including nationalism) Edmund Burke Liberalism is rightist (excluding nationalism)
>>73348168
Oh what a twisted web you weave.
Jewish by chance?
>>73359263
>you are confusing liberalism to mean the modern definition.
I wasn't aware that you were not referring to modern times.
>you are also confusing revolutionary with reactionary.
I did not talk about reactionaries or revolutionaries.
>We are conservative liberal reactionaries.
And you speak on behalf of /pol/?
>>73359361
Nope. But I'm guessing you're a fucking retard.
This is open by the way, had to switch devices again
>>73359480
OP, I'm OP
>>73358618
40? More like 140
>>73359152
In Europe by the way.
The progressives in America remained liberal until WWII killed them off, albeit as opposition.
>>73352996
>>73348168
>>73348990
>>73349817
>>73351835
>>73351950
>>73352156
>>73352218
>>73352290
http://pastebin.com/tWy3w37c
Please read this
>>73359480
What about right-wing nationalist movements that predate (and postdate) the French revolution though?
Of course you gloss over those because it kills your entire premise.
This is how I know you're a shitposter - you didn't even bother to analyze your own initial premise for flaws.
>>73359438
Yea, I should've mentioned that, I'll take that hit.
Revolutionary and reactionary issue the two sides of liberalism.
No, not on behalf of pol...just me and anyone else who hates this fucking bullshit that we live in today
>>73348168
Dumb fuck we were nationalist through the 80's until the boomer hippies finally came of age to take over
>>73359590
Yea, jews were all over the French Revolution, which created marxism, and bolsheviks ect.
Tell me something new
>>73359620
>Revolutionary and reactionary issue the two sides of liberalism.
Now this is interesting, can you go more into depth with this?
>>73359612
Like what?
I'll tell you why it either isn't nationalist, or it is leftist.
>>73359663
And you aren't intellectually capable of this conversation.
Fucking george bush....you left one behind
>>73359778
I'm sure you will, without your deft attempts to characterize literally every political or revolutionary movement as you see fit to satisfy your flawed premise, your entire thread implodes.
>>73359193
>Yes, goy, Nationalism and love of your people is left wing
>So is a strong military culture which can defend your people
>all left wing so don't do it heh heh
>*shekel jingling and laughing is heard in the distance*
Thank you greatest ally, I see the error of my ways now! :^)
>>73359884
Just name one. I'll decide if OPs critique is legit.
>>73359761
Sure.
Revolutionaries are the Thomas Paine types. They hate tradition, hierarchy, social authority. They live for progress. For equality. For the unknown. They created marxism.
Reactionary is the opposite. The ones who put the bourbons back on the thrown. They believe in liberty, but not in equality. They believe in tradition, hierarchy. They reject egalitarianism.
Look up Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
>>73359936
Hey dumbass, the British had a strong military culture...and I'm saying that they aren't nationalist. They were legitimists, coming together under the legitimacy of the crown.
You are too fucking stupid to talk to.
>>73359936
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimists
Any other dumbass want to debate semantics instead of planning out how the fuck we take back europe and america?
>>73360235
>I use the ORIGINAL definition of words, rather than their commonly understood modern meaning
>Knowing the etymology of words means I'm smart, SMARTER THAN ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Fuck off. You're just the reactionary version of an Atheism+ fedora tipping faggot. Go LARP elsewhere.
>>73360068
Doesn't everyone say they believe in liberty? Is there anyone who would say that they do not believe in liberty? Communists would say that you have liberty from the capitalists, capitalists say you have liberty from the authoritarian socialists or communists. Anarchists will say that you have liberty from human institutions, and someone who supports human institutions would say that you have liberty from nature. Even if a person had only the intention of gaining power, would the use of the word liberty not be a good idea? I think it would be, to trick people into supporting you. It is for this reason why most people claim to support liberty in the modern age, because a government that gives you liberty is a given, to be expected by more enlightened peoples, so naturally that is the biggest buzzword around today.
>>73360461
No, it's just what the word means. Go to europe, the word liberal still basically means the same thing there.
I'm sorry that I'm not a fucking knuckle dragging half breed like you.
How about you go and read a book or something, you need it.
And reactionary. Yes indeed i am....you are using the correct meaning of that word, right?
>>73360692
Exactly, spot on.
Which is why we have to be careful.
Liberty for the French Revolution meant killing priests.
Liberty for sjw means to use Transgender bathrooms....
Liberty is neither of those things
>>73348168
>So Nationalism was a left-wing, pro democracy, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" movement in the French Revolution.
>was
>>73360461
Oh, and by the way, that is a trilby, shit for brains.
I suggest you learn what words mean before you continue sounding like a dumbass
>>73360899
It was historically yes....it still is.
You can't just have a left wing ideology turn right wing someone....doesn't work that way.
A right wing regime might use it....but that just means that they are using are leftist tactic.
The shit is toxic
>>73360988
I know what they commonly mean. This isn't a research paper, this isn't a scholarly discussion.
You're just another dickless faggot that lives in the theoretical that would be busy masturbating to the thought of your own euphoric intellect while Rome is burning.
I'll leave you to your autoerotic thoughts though m'lord.
>>73360871
It's amazing how easily people who supposedly support liberty are able to liquidize people, particularly their political enemies. A communist will tell you that the only way to liberty is to liquidize capitalists... I wonder how these people ever seriously called themselves intellectuals.
>>73361205
Ah, see if was attempting to have have a scholarly discussion.
My bad, I didn't know that this was an intellect free zone. Maybe I'll go back to jacking off to my own superiority....because I'm definitely higher up on that ladder than you are toby keith
>>73361413
That is leftism.
That is nationalism.
You aren't my blood or soil. You're my enemy.
Instead of, oh shit, we are diverse and stuff...but I'm welsh and you're english. Let's keep our culture but let's work together and create the best empire in the whole fucking world
>Why don't we instead, turn away from both Nationalism and Globalism, and work together as a common culture to combat the hordes of invaders? How about we take pride in our communities, or land, our local traditions instead of worrying about "blood".
The blood ensures that you have the same sense of community, tradition and friendship as someone else.
A nigger can't be part of Poland same as a white man can't be part of Ethiopia.
>>73361584
That is fair. And I don't know why either would want to move from their homeland....but what about a German and a polish? Why the fuck can't you work together? Different blood, right?
>>73361695
different blood, different sense of community, different traditions
>>73361584
How about the white londoner who just voted for a muslim, does he share your sense of community?
>>73361768
So you won't work with them to repel Islamic invasion
Meh, fuck it. They won. Why even try.
Nationalism took over Europe from the enlightenment, and in just a few hundred years,you are literally worse than fucking asia.
Great job whiteys. Doing great.
>>73357465
Go home schlomo. Good lord, 4chan is being cucked.
Culture is a complex adaptive system between cultural and racial artifacts. Western civilization relies on the culture of ethnic europeans as a base. Mix in a bunch of africans, asians etc and it will become incoherent and unrecognizable as western civilization. In some ways, we are well down the way in that process. However, the leftist idea that we will "transform" into some new race is insane. The underpinnings of our entire society is based on the racial underpinnings. The culture and institutional artifacts will just collapse without a whole bunch of europeans around.
It's really easy to understand. There's a reason that after the Arab Spring the revolutionaries didn't run around setting up secular liberal institutions. They voted in the Muslim Brotherhood and built minarets.
Even simpler: If you and your family moved to Somalia, how long before you completely assimilated into Somalia? Adopted all of their customs etc. Probably never. Now think...would your kids?
>>73361838
there are exceptions to every rule
and brainwashing in schools and multinational/globalist propaganda doesn't help
>>73361963
Exactly.
I always kek when libertarians identify as Nazis or somehow become national socialists. What faggots.
>>73361932
if you want to repel islamic invasion you are socially outcast
the eu and decades of emasculating propaganda has brought us to this point
they already won
they just havent all gotten here yet
>>73362013
Then it isn't around rule asshat.
Look around buddy, there aren't a lot of allies in this fight. There aren't really aren't really few more exceptions then you're planning for
>>73362107
Yay, now we are finally talking about thee matter at hand.
It has to start in the church
Im a nazi. I dont give a rats ass about conservatism.
>>73348168
So do you have any argument against nationalism except >muh leftism boogieman? Didn't think so.
>>73362249
So you are a really a left wing socialist totalitarian who believes in redistribution of weath, autarky, nationalized industry, and you seek to destroy the diversity (not multicultural) of your own "blood" by making them all equal....making them all worship the state
Wow, you're a fucking retard
>>73351950
fuck, this x1000
>>73362287
It is left boogyman.
Here is the argument. It leads to separatism, democracy, and general Wilsonian utopia desires.
It puts argument whole people against each other in wars of ideology instead of wars of territory or kings.
The only thing remotely close to nationalism is unity, which I'm fine with. Unity in faith, or government, or whatever.
>>73362569
Fuck what? How about you use your words.
It's the current year. We can talk about your feelings.
>>73362475
>self-suffiency is a bad thing
>using the national wealth to make live bearable for everyone is bad
>having an industry that can give employment to everyone and make material goods available to all is bad
>equality is bad
>the state being there for the people rather than the people being there for the state is a bad thing
explain the above please
>>73362753
that post was too damn good it got me a little hyped
>>73362836
Free trade is is a good thing, distributism that is. Self sufficiency is fine and dandy, but if you make steel and your neighbor makes rubber, trade and you'll both have cars for a cheaper price.
There is no such thing as national wealth. Money is as placeholder for production. When the national gov has money, it means they stole it.
If you can't make you cry life bearable on your own, then you didn't do what you needed to do in life, and you'll die of starvation on the side of the road.
Work will set you free, right? Well, if you don't work, then you don't get a bearable life.
Give employment. Haha, yup, because planned economies are so historically well off compared with free enterprise.
Equality is bad, that is where you are right. That was about the only thing the nazis were rightist about (but then they tried to make everyone equal, which negated their rightism)
The state being there for the people is well bullshit. The state should be there to enforce contracts, which the people already social institutions run the country. You either make it, or you dont. No big brother telling you that you have to burn your books, turn off swing music, and step outside to have your nose measured for jewness.
>>73363194
That's alright, go crank one out and come back to talk
I'm starting to get sleepy, and autocorrect is fucking up much posts.
I'm gonna get some shut eye...
Good talk.
Please, just think about what I'm saying.
The Christian world needs to unite against islam. Crusades go above national barriers.
>>73363384
how is the national government supposed to "enforce contracts" without any money to work with? money is a placeholder for production yes, but only if money can be withheld if a contract isn't honored which is only something a government under supervision of the people should be allowed to do
a nationalized industry to a degree would be appropriate where free trade could do some of the production and then could be supplemented by the government
could you explain why equality and bringing the people together for a greater purpose is a bad thing?
>which the people already social institutions run the country.
i dont understand what you mean, explain please
a national government moving to block or ban something for the greater good of the people is acceptable to a degree
>looked up supranationalism
>Supranationalism refers to a large amount of power given to an authority which in theory is placed higher than the state
so you're advocating for monarchy?
>>73364135
or at least some form of it
>>73364135
isnt the monarch the head of state and as such could be vetoed by the superior authority if he makes decision not accepted by that authority
>>73361963
We're talking about different things. I made several posts talking about fighting immigration to Europe. You're delusional if you think the picture of racial hierarchy won't look different in 5000 years than it does today. By preserving Europeans, we are preserving some of the best genes that exist on the planet at the moment. They are not however ALL of the good genes on the planet, nor will European culture represent ALL of the culturally and technologically advanced achievements of humanity. I'm simply pointing out that the indefinite, unchanging, non-evolving purity of some idealized "European" archetype is a bad reason to defend Europe. It won't stand the test of time, and it won't convince most people.
Europeans need high fertility again. They need to EXPAND again. If your game plan is for Europeans to hide away and try to fend off the growing billions of 3rd world, low IQ races, Europe will disappear in the long term, and its genetics will be subsumed by technologically incapable gene pools. That will be a disaster for the SPECIES, not just white people.
Stop thinking defensively. In life, you are either growing or dying. There is no such thing as standing still in biology.
>>73364135
>>73364247
Democracy is tyranny.
Anarcho-capitalism can't work, because people naturally form minarchy.
So yea, republic, aristocracy, or monarchy. All day long.
>>73364375
So let's have white people fuck white people...
Boom, done.
Get rid of entitlements and social security....guess what, now people are going to have kids...so their kids can take care of them when they get old.
>>73364338
See catholic church and kings
>>73364338
>isnt the monarch the head of state and as such could be vetoed by the superior authorit
not the absolute monarch, such as the one in Saudi Arabia
>>73364425
I personally advocate for a monarchy somewhere between the Saudi Arabian and the British one, not THAT powerful or not THAT ceremonial...
>>73364538
White people need to fuck white people, and they need to have 4.0 or 5.0 fertility rates. When the population grows too large for Europe, they need to expand and fuck or kill everything else on the planet. If the Europeans won't do it, then the East Asians need to.
Growing or dying. There's no 3rd option.
Africans are growing
Muslims are growing* (with issues on the horizon)
Indians are growing
Chinese are still growing
Europeans are SHRINKING
This is bigger than defending your precious fucking borders, or preserving the purity of the white race. This is about what genes will survive this millennium. Humans know how to build nuclear bombs and power plants. The world cannot belong to 70-85 IQ races.
>>73363890
Sorry, sleeping and autocorrect.
Enforce contracts via established code of laws and court system. Pay for it by voluntary taxes, see articles of confederation, or read Hans-Hermann Hoppes book Democracy: The God that Failed
If the money doesn't come in, then the service isn't worth the money, and the free market will do it on its own.
Equality is bad because it restricts the natural elite from reaching it's full potential.
It blows up mountains and uses the ashes to full in the valleys in hopes of a level plains.
It can't work.
Greater purpose, I'm all for it. But don't force people, let them be free.
I honestly don't know what I meant by that. I was probably sleep typing.
I think I meant. Gov should be small and pocal. The real government is social structures creating morality, organization, and hierarchy for society at large.
>>73364595
I look to feudal society, with local elites governing little areas, who are all united by a king, would are all united by religion
There is no nationalism in that. It's diverse, and it's hierarchy. It's right wing.
Once the stupid fucking provinces start breaking away for self governemnt, hating everyone who doesn't live in their little town..,.that is left wing bullshit.
>>73364916
Then you recognize the necessity of rejecting post modernism and returning to traditional society
Awesome
Ok, I gotta go to bed now. I'm gonna keel over from exhaustion.
Look up Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn
Tata for now
>>73364997
i see now what you mean, i will try to read the book you talked about
thanks :)
>>73365307
cya
>>73365246
Yes. I'm not sure why you thought otherwise. Perhaps it's because some of my earlier posts didn't perfectly conform for the infinitely repeated orthodoxy and form expected on the board, and thus instantly garnered the label "cucked".
>>73348168
there are no invaders without a nation to invade
>>73348168
>So Nationalism was a left-wing,
Stopped reading there.
I hope one day we will witness your head being put into a vice with your eyes bulging out of your cuck skull.
>>73349666
This
>>73348168
How the fucking fuck is nationalism leftist? Are you retarded?
Oh god this whole thread is retarded. Anyone who... writes like... this should get gassed.
>>73365721
>>73366234
Read the fucking thread.
>>73366297
I am it's unbearable.
If you look at left/right as progressive/conservative it makes no fucking sense to assume nationism is progressive. Nationalism comes from a desire for a cultural and ethnically homogenized nation state, not wanting to be imperialistic. It's wanting to keep your country like its always been. Without new cultures or ethnicities, to conserve your identity. It's a conservative mindset.
>>73348168
First of all nationalism isn't left or right, because left and right divide the population.
Also, decentrailzed solidarity is exactly what Hitler wanted.
Nationalism doesn't necessarily confront you vs your neighbours. The problem is that, the moment you stand out with nationalism and an independent economy the people around you will automatically be forced to pick sides. That brings our NWO friends into the table. They won't let you go rogue and prosperous.
Ideally, probably utopic too, we'd need a set of nationalist nations under a federal european union, where only trade and defense were discussed, with decentralized solidarity on a research based economy. I'd personally add a strong religion link to avoid future foreign invasions.
Whatever we have to do it will have to beat the NWO because we will be Lybia 2.0 otherwise.
